The Only Living El in NY

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Sparetime Productions

Sparetime Productions

12 жыл бұрын

The last days of the Bronx portion of the 3rd Avenue El, including shots of its demolition in 1974, and a couple of pics from its glory days. The title has a lot more to do with the connection to the song by Paul Simon, and its sense of sadness and loss, than to the idea that the 3rd Ave El was the only el in New York. However, in one sense, it was the last vestige of a Manhattan-Bronx el that was totally elevated in its entire route.

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@dv7548
@dv7548 4 жыл бұрын
It makes me marvel at what this country was able to do back then. I rather have the train running than gettin stuck in a traffic jam any day.
@mrdouglasbaker
@mrdouglasbaker 2 жыл бұрын
So true I wonder how countries that were ones backwards are now so much more advanced than my own
@thomasponzio8345
@thomasponzio8345 8 жыл бұрын
just the perfect song to go with the Bronx #8 line.So sad when only the pillars were left in 74.Every time the bx 12 bus goes past Fordam Rd I remember the train I rode with my Dad
@DA-gn2my
@DA-gn2my 3 жыл бұрын
Yes i remember going through there on Fordham Rd going to Alexanders and to the Loews Paradise theatre when i was a kid, and from what i heard it was one of the oldest if not the oldest line in NYC
@luislaplume8261
@luislaplume8261 3 жыл бұрын
@@DA-gn2my It lasted from 1886 til 1973. Began as a link to Manhattan to connect with the 2nd and 3rd Ave. El trains at 129th Street. Electrified in 1903. Before that was a steam locomotive line train when started. The first El line in the Bronx.
@da9618
@da9618 Жыл бұрын
Yep, Fordham road and Webster Ave, I rode on the #8 train and my cousin told me that it is the oldest line or one of the oldest line in NY
@DrKO2453
@DrKO2453 3 жыл бұрын
Used to walk across the Bronx from Washington Heights with my Dad when he went to get his taxes done. I loved seeing the old Lo V cars running on the 8 line. Thank God the transit museum saved some of them.
@ACLTony
@ACLTony 10 жыл бұрын
I have pleasant memories of riding the 3rd Ave El with my parents back in the early 70s. I remember riding from 3rd Ave & 149th st to Gun Hill Rd and then transferring over to the #2 train. By that time the 3rd Ave El trains were composed of IRT R12 cars painted in the gray and blue scheme show here. Was saddening when the line closed in 73.
@thexboxgamer9128
@thexboxgamer9128 7 жыл бұрын
ACLTony Their is one last el in brooklyn the MYRTLE AVE EL still lives with out tracks just the frame
@killajakez
@killajakez 7 жыл бұрын
And the F train. And the D train. And the Q train past Sheepshead Bay road. But yes, there is a portion of the myrtle avenue el that remains.
@andymolina5737
@andymolina5737 7 жыл бұрын
ACLTony also it would be nice if you rode the third avenue el in Manhattan as well when back then it was full service!
@1575murray
@1575murray 6 жыл бұрын
There is also a portion of the Fulton St. elevated line still in existence. Both of these sections were built after the Dual Contracts were signed. The Jamaica line east of Cypress Hills dates back to the same era as well. All were built to allow steel subway cars to be operated on them which makes them different from older lines which operated only wooden elevated cars. The R12 cars had to be modified to keep them from inflicting further damage to the elevated structure which was not designed to carry their weight.
@anthonyrojas9200
@anthonyrojas9200 4 жыл бұрын
I was 1 yr old when the subway line closed. I was living in 161st Forest Ave. McKinley Houses
@TheJnatch
@TheJnatch Жыл бұрын
If you ever spent any time at the corner of White Plains Road and Gun Hill Road before the El was torn down you remember that super-loud screech when the El made the 90 degree turn to meet the #2 line as it's last stop. If you watch the Godfather, the shooting in the restaurant scene was filmed in a restaurant at that corner and he waits for the screech to pull the trigger. I am not sure if that was the real screech or added in post-production but it sure inspired the idea.
@jaynycha1705
@jaynycha1705 Жыл бұрын
i take the 2 train past Gun Hill road every day. Whenever I stand on that platform the view of the Bronx is spectacular. You can see Tracy Towers to the west and straight up Gun Hill road to the east.
@leecornwell5632
@leecornwell5632 Ай бұрын
When I get off the 2 train at Gun Hill road. They still have the Thrid Avenue Elevated half girldles trestles track frames. The old wooden floors are gone.
@Larry-qz3es
@Larry-qz3es 4 жыл бұрын
It was the last surviving EL after 1955 when it was discontinued south of 149th street into Manhattan. It was the only living elevated at that time until service was discontinued on April 29, 1973. There were four Elevated lines in Manhattan, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 9th Avenue Lines.
@wallcderand6774
@wallcderand6774 2 жыл бұрын
Sad but true. If you like els Chicago and Philly still have them
@KennethScharf
@KennethScharf 2 жыл бұрын
The last bit of a manhattan EL was still in service to the Polo grounds until the Giants left NYC for SF. Sadly, it was out of service a few years later when the Mets were playing at that ball park until Shea was built.
@tryithere
@tryithere 5 жыл бұрын
I hate it when people only consider Manhattan to be NYC. There are 4 other boroughs that are just as much a part of NYC if not more.
@waynegruber9122
@waynegruber9122 3 жыл бұрын
Tight the title is so misleading I’m like you still have the J train today that’s the longest running El train that dates back to the late 1800s
@luislaplume8261
@luislaplume8261 3 жыл бұрын
@@waynegruber9122 the line past Kosciusko Street towards Wiiliamsburg opened in June 1888 with center platforms and wood stations . Marcy Ave. was the last unrebuilt station to have wood platforms and stairways which I used back in the 1960s.
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie that's actually true. When tourists milk Times Square and call it The Big Apple it annoys the hell out of me because many other things exist and they take far too much advantage of just that one area. Mainly being Manhattan.
@arrow1414
@arrow1414 2 жыл бұрын
It is a remnant of when only Manhattan was NYC in its entirety the outer boroughs had towns that were incorporated into NYC. Most famously Brooklyn in 1898 which was an entirely seperate city in its own right. Well into the 1980s you could still see in some stations in say Brooklyn signs dating from the 1930s in that say "To New York". They are all gone now (AFAIK) but they were nice curiosity to see. The attitude to see NYC as just Manhattan is a remnant of those days (plus the modern entertainment media when a movie or TV show is set in NYC, it is almost always take place in Manhattan).
@davidfreeman3083
@davidfreeman3083 2 жыл бұрын
@@arrow1414 No I don't think that's the case. I have heard of, but wasn't really interested in other boroughs when I first started visiting NYC. Cuz Manhattan is just what NYC shows to 'outsiders' I guess. Which is in a way more apprieciatable for me RN living in Queens full time. Let the tourists and the celebrities flock to that island, while most of us real locals enjoy our kinda 'secretive' and 'hidden' gems in outer boroughs, without interruption from all tourists which sometimes can be annoying
@robertgerber2533
@robertgerber2533 6 жыл бұрын
What a great song. All their recordings sound great. They used the greatest studio musicians in the world.
@michaeld5316
@michaeld5316 3 жыл бұрын
OMG how magical a place NY was........, like a movie with its melancholy grandiose scenery and down-to-earth residents and artists -- before being destroyed with all the wonderful streets/buildings vanished, and being turned into a corporate hellhole full of snobby bougey unfriendly uncreative business types, with no night-life anymore......
@samburkes7552
@samburkes7552 2 жыл бұрын
I never had the chance to.ride this iconic NYC IRT elevated line. Was under it one early summer in 1961, with a few classmates on a special trip with certain students my age, chaperoned by one of our teachers. Was 3rd Ave/Claremont Pkwy, we stood under and saw/heard IRT Lo-Vs accelerating by, with their growling traction motors gaining speed..Never will forget! Wanted to cop a ride, teacher/sponsor declined..Great memory for a 12yr-old transit fan!!
@rosepandaliano907
@rosepandaliano907 Жыл бұрын
100 % correct...
@burbank
@burbank 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Well said and right on. Sadly NYC has transformed to what michaeld5316 has described above. The 3rd Avenue El (or 8 line) should have been maintained and serve as an additional transportation artery between the South and North Bronx. However, greedy corporate real estate speculators wanted Els town down all over NYC to increase property values and build unaffordable luxury priced skyscrapers for the 1% displacing the down to earth residents and artists that michaeld5316 mentions.
@sjice69
@sjice69 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was really young, we were on Webster Ave and they were tearing down the El. Wish I would have had a chance to ride it.
@bmiro7335
@bmiro7335 6 жыл бұрын
It was the last Living El in Manhattan, of all the original Manhattan lines built in the late 1870s.
@jamesgiambastiani2128
@jamesgiambastiani2128 3 жыл бұрын
1870s is wrong NYC subways started in 1904
@bmiro7335
@bmiro7335 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgiambastiani2128 The 3rd Ave el was not a subway. Look up the history of elevated lines in Manhattan and you'll see that they started with the 9th Ave el in 1868
@waynegruber9122
@waynegruber9122 3 жыл бұрын
@@bmiro7335 thank you Bro let him know. He said El not subway. That’s also like saying the longest surviving El train today in Brooklyn would be the J train because it was built in the late 1800s
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep 2 жыл бұрын
@@geemee3364 same here.
@MrRailfan
@MrRailfan 2 жыл бұрын
Still one EL left in Manhattan!
@haroldalexis4200
@haroldalexis4200 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile this video tribute is beautiful to the Third Avenue I really as a viewer appreciate it. 👋👋👋👋👋👋
@ss04to06
@ss04to06 7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't necessarily call it the only living El - the Broadway El (1), Jerome Av El (4), White Plains Rd El (2/5) and Pelham El (6) still exist. The 1 train is also the only line that has elevated stations in Manhattan.
@ss04to06
@ss04to06 7 жыл бұрын
That's true. Also, the BMT/IND el's in Brooklyn and Queens. I forgot those lol.
@ss04to06
@ss04to06 7 жыл бұрын
I have a funny feeling that Sparetime Productions meant the only el that was never a subway.
@1575murray
@1575murray 6 жыл бұрын
That is correct (1988). At the same time the E train was rerouted to Parsons Blvd. using the upper level of the same tunnel. Many of the buses serving the Jamaica area were rerouted to the new terminal to relieve traffic congestion.
@rickevans33050
@rickevans33050 6 жыл бұрын
Except Airtrain is all elevated :-)
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep
@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep 5 жыл бұрын
All living Els as of 2019: IRT Broadway Line (1) IRT White Plains Line (2) (5) IRT Jerome Avenue Line (4) IRT New Lots Line (3) (4) IRT Pelham Line (6) IRT Flushing Line (7) IND Rockaways (A) (S) BMT Brighton Line (B) (Q) BMT West End Line (D) (N) IND Culver Line (F) (G) BMT Nassau Street Line (J) (M) (Z) BMT Canarsie Line (L) BMT Myrtle Avenue Line (M) BMT Astoria Line (N) (W) Now you cant say these els that exist are fake cuz guess what. Theyre not.
@topliner9534
@topliner9534 Жыл бұрын
My college, Cooper Union, is at 3:33, when the Third Ave el still ran by it. The picture is probably around 1955 judging from the bus. I started there in 1969, too late to see it. My first girl friend, who lived in California, used to call me "the only living boy in New York". Watching this made me sad.
@dv7548
@dv7548 2 жыл бұрын
Just watched this video again after two years. It simply brings tears memories so memories that adds to the vibe. Thank you I saved this piece of memorabilia.
@mitchellpak2795
@mitchellpak2795 4 жыл бұрын
I love that song.
@eyestoenvy
@eyestoenvy 7 жыл бұрын
This portion of the old grand 3rd Avenue Line was removed because of alleged low ridership (bull), as was the original Manhattan portion. As a result patrons residing throughout the center of the Bronx are forced to cram into bus after crowded bus and endure horrendous rush hour traffic just to make it to 149 St & Third Avenue to catch the 2/5 subways down below into Manhattan. How in the hell is this called progress? I've taken that trip often enough and to BLOWS! The 149 St Third Avenue 2/5 station can barely accommodate any more pedestrian traffic during rush hours! Not to mention the severely crowded trains pulling in that simply cannot hold any more riders into Manhattan! This was a bad bad call by way of city planning. A stunt started early on by Mayor LaGuardia and the GMC conspiracy. The new 2nd Avenue subway should be amended to include service into the Bronx through this old route and provide the citizens of the middle Bronx accessible inter borough rapid transit once again!
@1575murray
@1575murray 6 жыл бұрын
I would agree that the Second Avenue line needs to be made a through route from the Bronx all the way into Brooklyn to provide relief for the existing overcrowded IRT lines. However I don't expect this to happen anytime soon.
@rayarena879
@rayarena879 6 жыл бұрын
I agree it was wrong to tear it down. All that you need is a few short-sighted and/ or corrupt bureaucrats and they can screw everything up.
@visionist7
@visionist7 5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't expect the 2nd avenue line to extend into the Bronx for another generation at this rate
@lscarver5
@lscarver5 4 жыл бұрын
I read that Mayor LaGuardia (for whatever crazy reason) didn't like the El trains and wanted them torn down. Plus it didn't help that he had Robert Moses in power. The city should have never demolished the El trains. The excuse they used were they old and obsolete. The city could have have refurbished them like Chicago did their El lines. No one back then could have forseen the overcrowding and tedious traffic congestion of the buses. I certainly wish they were still in existence.
@alb12345672
@alb12345672 4 жыл бұрын
@@lscarver5 The El's steel got sold to Japan and they used it to build planes to attack pearl harbor. Sad.
@dv7548
@dv7548 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much its sound it views seem to bring the idea right in place.
@leecornwell5632
@leecornwell5632 Жыл бұрын
This 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line shouldn't never been taking down in the first place.
@michaelleggett3980
@michaelleggett3980 4 жыл бұрын
The 3rd & 2nd Avenue El Branches also road over the White Plains Road Line, due to the Cutoff at Bergen Avenue. The 6th & 9th Avenue El Lines also ran on what is now the 4 Train from 167th Street to Burnside Avenue & in Rush Hours up to Woodlawn. So only the branches remain, not the trunk lines.
@chaspfrank
@chaspfrank 7 жыл бұрын
My grandmother lived on Parkside Place, just south of Gun Hill Road. We could look down on to the ell from her porch, and it is one of my favorite memories of her house.
@thomasponzio8345
@thomasponzio8345 7 жыл бұрын
cool...I rode it with Dad you could see street through wooden platforms
@jimpern
@jimpern 3 жыл бұрын
They should never have torn down the 3rd-Avenue El until they had replaced it with a subway. Even today, east-side subway service in Manhattan is substandard because the 2nd-Avenue subway was never completed. The buses running on 3rd in the Bronx are a poor substitute.
@dangelo1369
@dangelo1369 3 жыл бұрын
Well, first. The elevated lines were extremely old. The Manhattan section alone was constructed in 1878.(1867 for the 9th ave el) This would include the branch of the 2nd ave el that ran to Queens (constructed in 1880) and the subsequent yards on 93rd street and 181st street in the Bronx. Not to mention the Bergen Cutoff on 149th street and 3rd avenue. By the 1930s and 40's they had outlived their usefulness (esp. the 6th and 9th ave els) with the construction of the IND subway lines. Also the East River bridge (3rd ave el) and the Putnam Bridge (9th ave el) were also antiquated and would have cost big money to maintain over time. Second, the newer subway cars were longer and heaver; they would have surpassed the weight capacity of the tracks and posed a potential danger. Imagine a Redbird trying to make that S curve at 110th street at what was considered the highest station in the entire system? Third, the real estate interests HAD a salient point about the congestion; the New York you see today would not be possible if the elevated lines were still in existence. Especially the World Trade Center, South Ferry, the FDR Drive in lower Manhattan, the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel and the Midtown Tunnel. While the development of the outer boroughs and upper Manhattan (Harlem/Spanish Harlem and Washington Heights) were made possible by the extension of the elevated trains, the new subway trains were the logical step to replace them. And the same would hold for Brooklyn as well. Fourth, Robert Moses persuaded Fiorello La Guardia that the automobile was the wave of the future as well as several successive New York governors and he built the infrastructure to fit that vision of the future at the expense of public transportation. While Moses has been proven wrong (and a bully at that) even so, the elevated lines were slated to come down anyway. The Great Depression, the automobile and WW2 sealed their fate. Well, that and the financial impossibility of keeping the system viable with only a $.05 fare. www.gothamcenter.org/blog/the-rise-and-decline-of-new-york-citys-third-avenue-elevated-train-line
@lewisbowlby6118
@lewisbowlby6118 4 жыл бұрын
I road the Third Avenue El ack in 40s ad 50s when they still heated the waiting rooms with coal stoves.
@soundshaper
@soundshaper 2 жыл бұрын
Just remember, the IRT 4 from 167th north used to be part of 9th Av El extension. Same with IRT 2/5 north of 149th St to 180th is extension of 2nd Av El, IRT 2 north of Gun Hill Road still an active track that once had 3rd Av El service until the 50s, and the Corona IRT 7 train east of Queensboro Plaza also part of 2nd Av El. Looking at these lines today you get some idea of what the Els in Manhattan would've looked like had they been upgraded and maintained. It would've been far cheaper to refurbish the els than building more subways, especially now with all the damn flooding. A new elevated system is inevitable in NYC.
@ukkfayooyay
@ukkfayooyay Жыл бұрын
They won’t do it. Real estate owners don’t want Els lowering their property values.
@scubadiva666
@scubadiva666 Жыл бұрын
As a matter of fact, flooding will increase from now on, not decrease. As time goes on, we may have to bring all the subways above ground-or learn to breathe water.
@leecornwell5632
@leecornwell5632 Жыл бұрын
​@@scubadiva666Exactly 💯% right on that. Another thing is definitely gonna happen rather they like it or not. The Thrid Avenue Elevated line is coming back I'm telling. Nomater how much they covered it up. South Bronx Clearmount Webster Ave Bronx Thrid Avenue is not beat down anymore. No matter how much hub buses they have running. You know the 2 5 trains are definitely over Crowding and the BX 15 BX 41 BX 19 buses are definitely over Crowding to. You know who to really really blame of tairing down the Thrid Avenue Elevated line Governor LaGuardia and the old president Robert mosses that's who y'all should really blame. That's has nothing to do with the lower riderships. The bottom line is Governor LaGuardia and the Old president Robert mosses could not stand for no extra elevated lines to be up running right now with out tairing down there extra elevated lines. Those two could not stand for no extra elevated lines with out a passion.
@micahely1683
@micahely1683 Жыл бұрын
@@leecornwell5632 there are still els in nyc. just look at the 7 train
@leecornwell5632
@leecornwell5632 10 ай бұрын
@@micahely1683 God 🙏 took governor LaGuardia and Robert mosses out of this world because you don't have to be selfish and don't care about people. The holly bible saids treat people as you want to be treated on to you. That's the reason why they have the 8 signs on the R62AS and the R142/as Thrid Avenue Elevated line all the old 8 Third Ave Elevated line announcements I'm telling you. You know the iRT 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line is definitely coming back I tell you that now. Rather you except the truth or not it's definitely gonna happen. Including the ninth Ave Elevated line.
@merccadoosis8847
@merccadoosis8847 4 жыл бұрын
very nice montage
@samburkes7552
@samburkes7552 2 жыл бұрын
Never had the chance to ride on this historical elevated line! Have been under it @ Claremont Pkwy/3rd Ave, watching Lo-V trains groan & rose past overhead. Must've been summer 1961,guessing. Great video!
@emintey
@emintey Жыл бұрын
There are still numerous elevated lines in NYC in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.
@georgemurphy2579
@georgemurphy2579 4 жыл бұрын
I just subscribed....you have great taste, including in music. Thanks for this!!!!!
@sparetimeproduction7
@sparetimeproduction7 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@rayarena879
@rayarena879 11 жыл бұрын
I remember the 3rd Ave El. Why did they knock it down? I love the El lines. Thank God we still have plenty of El lines in NYC, unlike other cities where they knocked most of them down.
@paulinebrennan2087
@paulinebrennan2087 7 жыл бұрын
Little Ireland bronx
@hulkhatepunybanner
@hulkhatepunybanner 7 жыл бұрын
The noise from the trains was too much. The subways were more attractive and were expanding. Routes on the El were being discontinued as early as the 1940s. It was a slow death.
@1575murray
@1575murray 6 жыл бұрын
The IND system's completion made many of the lines which were torn down in the 1940s redundant (with one notable exception being the Second Avenue line which is just starting to get a long awaited replacement subway). The IND also made connections to parts of two former BMT elevated lines which could support steel subway cars in the 1950s. The cost was much less than that of extending the subway lines underground.
@DoncasterA1Music
@DoncasterA1Music 6 жыл бұрын
Rayarena Chicago has a system which is for the most part elevated except for a few sections
@rayarena879
@rayarena879 6 жыл бұрын
For whom was the noise too loud? For the NIMBYs, or was it a short-sighted call on the part of a few stupid and/or corrupt politicians that were getting kickbacks and couldn't see beyond their noses? I can sort of understand the rationale [though I don't agree] removing the Els in Manhattan as the borough became increasingly gentrified and genuinely wealthy people [millionaires] wanted to live in residential areas unmarred by elevated trains, but removing Els from the Bronx? Not that the people of the Bronx are any less worthy than those of Manhattan, but Bronxites [a tough bunch of blue collar workers] are not known for NIMBISM, so I doubt that there were too many complaints from them regarding the noise or complaints that the Els marred the residentiality of their 5 story walk up, rat infested, 19th century tenements. This was a call from stupid politicians. Goes to show you that we have to be vigiliant or else they can really make terrible decisions with far reaching repercussions.
@jayvee1947
@jayvee1947 2 жыл бұрын
Memories of The Hub at 149th Street and 3rd Ave
@TomCheer9
@TomCheer9 2 жыл бұрын
My poor mom used to cart me to a dentist over there from Parkchester (ca 1949-53). I could look out a high window in that dentist's office building and see 'The Hub' below. The intricate track work bordered by all those dense wood-planked walkways fascinated me.
@burbank
@burbank 4 жыл бұрын
It is very sad that they tore down this elevated line. It would have been more sensible to continue the elevated line and have it connect with the existing underground IRT subway lines. I think those parts of the Bronx around 3rd Avenue were subjected to a significant disservice when they took down this elevated line. I'm sure having an extra line would alleviate the mass traffic and give more options for people in the Bronx when commuting to and from Manhattan. This is a great montage of photos!
@superbadmofo1
@superbadmofo1 Жыл бұрын
I use to live blocks away in the 80s and 90s...and when I was younger an old timer told me that the train use to run through 3rd ave and I never believed him because there were no remenance left. Now I see these pictures and wow ..
@BingCherry11
@BingCherry11 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of kids from my High School rode those trains to school every day!!! Fortunately, we all graduated the year before they tore it down!!! I remember riding one day during my senior year around 3:00 PM after school and the old train was empty. My two friends walked up to the front of train and I stayed in the back of the train. Once I was alone in the train I felted "spooked". Lol!!!!
@kimberleebrooks-trakis9563
@kimberleebrooks-trakis9563 3 жыл бұрын
Brooklyn and Queens still have Elevated lines.
@georgemurphy2579
@georgemurphy2579 4 жыл бұрын
I was once told that it is not an actual elevated unless it remains above ground for the entire line.
@arrow1414
@arrow1414 3 жыл бұрын
It was a mistake to teardown the 3rd Ave El at least the Bronx section because it left a big service gap between the D and the 5. The same with the Manhattan part. They should've kept it up and running until the Second Ave subway was built. It was a mistake to tear down the 9th Ave El in Manhattan for simular reasons.
@leecornwell1062
@leecornwell1062 2 жыл бұрын
It was a mistake to tair down the old 3rd Avenue elevated line to which was really stupid and dum selfish and greedy. Un just don't pay what people need it the most important thing which is definitely needed now. That's the reason why they are building the second Avenue line back up across 125th Street to connect to the 4/5/6 then 7th Avenue 125 st the 2/3 and 125 Street the A/B/C/D and the last connection is the Broadway 1 line. The Q/T is not going to the Bronx. Only the 8 or 10 trains will run on the 3rd Avenue elevated line real soon. What they tair down is what they got to put it back together. They have the technology to put it back together. Including the abandoned Rail road trains to across the country's.
@leecornwell1062
@leecornwell1062 2 жыл бұрын
Now the 3 trains can not run a cross 9th Avenue elevated line because they have the new Yankee stadium block of under the Jerome avenue 4 line. They would have to find a way for the Broadway 3 line to run a cross 9 th Avenue elevated line to the Bronx.
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd 10 ай бұрын
@@leecornwell1062 It's funny you mentioned this. The 3 train no doubt could have come into the last portion of the 9th Avenue El after 148th Lenox Terminal, 155th Street, transfer to the B & D trains lower level, also would've included SEDGWICK AVENUE. Now Yankee Stadium blocks the abandoned girders lower level which can be seen from the street level. Parts of the Third Avenue Line can still be seen at GUN HILL ROAD from beyond north of the station the girders &:some wood on the the upper level trackage made it almost 5 tracks until merging to the upper level from The lower level girders. You can see from the street level under Gun Hill Road some girders were cut away. The stations history was wiped away making it modernized ruined.
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd 10 ай бұрын
@@leecornwell1062 They replaced a portion of EL on the M train after Myrtle Avenue during temporary closure of that Eastern Division sector.
@leecornwell5632
@leecornwell5632 9 ай бұрын
I definitely know the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line would not have no problem rebuilding because there's is enough room im telling you. Listen carefully I was reading on Google about the MTA 20 year projects on more than a billion. When I had read the comments They even mentioning about the new 8 line between new lots Avenue Brooklyn and Wakefield. The red circle 8 could definitely replace the 3 trains to New Lots Avenue Brooklyn and the 3 trains to Flatbush. That was a real serious talk on that I'm telling you. I already knew that sooner or later they were going to bring the 8 line up.
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd
@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd 8 ай бұрын
The parts that make me sick to my eyes & stomach seeing this line being torn down. I witnessed this back then. The same structure the 2 & 5 train run at was once part of the right turn at Westchester Avenue & 150th Street Second Avenue El line split up after 149 Street 3RD Avenue. Hearns Department store was at right on the north side back then. Not knowing this I was unaware that there was a 143RD Street El station Yes there was a transfer at Alexander Avenue 138th Street to the Pelham Bay Line (6) train I only knew of The Pelham Bay lines East 143RD STREET subway tunnel station. As I type this It's 50 years when the 8 Train was stopped for service altogether. What I fell in love with was the arch structures passed Bedford Park Blvd going north. I caught something interesting with the GMC BUS in MTA blue. They were Manhattan's Culture loop and these Buses were all over the Bronx that Bus later became the Bronx 55 route that replaced the number 8. It failed & It to in later years was demised just as it's NYCTA EL colleague it replaced. Third Avenue after the el has faults it's inconvenient, inefficient, slower buses, it's too far to get from The Jerome Avenue (Woodlawn) & Grand Concourse B & D trains. It was meant to be there an El line not empty. It's now hot as hell after Gun Hill Road and the South Bronx. I wish the line was built back up. This was all MAYOR LaGuardia's doings to all the Els & trolleys. Up to the time of Mayor Abraham Beame in the mid 1970's killed the remaining structure untorn down portion of the el 8 passed 163rd Street. The Gun Hill Road section was more later built in the 1920's with the Upper level of the later 2 & 5 trains coming afterwards. This was around the time when the IND was building the highest structure in Brooklyn at CARROLL GARDENS. ( F & G trains ) Third Avenue EL deserved better. It was later adopted into the IRT & It was part of a 999 year lease, Unfortunately the IRT went bankrupt in the 1940's. All the teardowns was illegal back in the 1940's - 1970's The original last stop in the Bronx Third Avenue Line was 180th Street. The yard was & is now a CON EDISON electric yard & plant. 183RD STREET , FORDHAM ROAD , BEDFORD PARK, BLVD, WILLIAMSBRIDGE , GUN HILL ROAD, would you believe that it went to 238th Street or try 241st Street? That was the baby for the Third Avenue at the time it was extended uptown & it's long journey to SOUTH FERRY MANHATTAN on that original Charles T Harvey Structure. Shame this line & Jerome Avenue 9th Avenue was ruined & later discontinued & destroyed. I miss you Third Avenue El 8 or SHUTTLE trains. 🥺😭 Very good video.🎥👍
@normanriggs848
@normanriggs848 2 жыл бұрын
What wonderful memories!!
@DesertTony92264
@DesertTony92264 Жыл бұрын
225th Street was our home station till we moved in 1978. We rode the third ave el to Fordham Rd.
@DesertTony92264
@DesertTony92264 10 ай бұрын
I miss operating trains when I operated from 1999-2006 before promotion supervisor
@georgemurphy2579
@georgemurphy2579 4 жыл бұрын
New York was like five separate cities. If you lived in the Bronx, then Brooklyn was an entirely different world. Even the stock was unique. Gate cars in Brooklyn and "Q" cars on 3rd Ave. BMT had a potpourri of cars...couldn't keep up to it! Amazing and thanks for the videos....
@1575murray
@1575murray 4 жыл бұрын
The Q cars were originally BMT gate cars which were rebuilt in 1938 into closed cars with MUDC for service on the Flushing and Astoria lines which were served by both IRT and BMT until 1949. Those cars were transferred to the Third Ave. line after the major changes in 1949 made them surplus on the BMT. They were sent back to the Myrtle Ave. line after 1956-57 when steel subway cars replaced them on the IRT so they could replace the gate cars and save on labor costs.
@georgemurphy2579
@georgemurphy2579 4 жыл бұрын
@@1575murray great!! Thanks for the heads up... I remember that it was 1957, or thereabouts, when the gate cars were starting to fade on the Myrtle Ave. and the "Q" cars were moving into the fray. A nice summer's evening was a ride from Ft. Green all the way out to Metropolitan Avenue with open, bared windows. Broadway Junction was an occasional favorite stop, too because right downstairs at street level was Bargain Town USA. Therein was one of the city's greatest discount toy stores. There never has been, is not now, nor will there ever be another city in the world like it!
@robertnussberger6449
@robertnussberger6449 2 жыл бұрын
The section of Alabama Ave station is original. It dates back to 1885. It's the oldest section of the nyc subway
@Supervillainmc
@Supervillainmc Жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@onkelbenjamin114
@onkelbenjamin114 2 жыл бұрын
The school building on the right at 173rd St while going north on 3rd Ave in the Bronx is mistakenly cited as PS 2. It is in fact the Annex of PS 4 which is behind the annex on Fulton Ave. The Annex originally housed grades 7 & 8 before the system was changed to include Jr. High School. Unique - I believe - was an indoor swimming pool on the first floor. After grades 7 & 8 were put together with grade 9 in Jr High schools, the 5th and 6th grade children used the pool to learn to swim. Boys and girls had separate days. Girls wore tank suits and caps while the boys swam naked (because the lint from swim trunks would stuff up the filters!!!???) I attended that school between 1949 and 1956, from Kindergarten to 6th grade.
@lisalindo4234
@lisalindo4234 2 жыл бұрын
I attended that school. It's now named PS.214 Douglas Roosevelt. Class of 2004. My uncles lived twin the buildings opposite of it. That was after they added more project buildings to the block. #GoodTimes
@vandanerisgomes9009
@vandanerisgomes9009 7 ай бұрын
Magnífico
@micahely1683
@micahely1683 Жыл бұрын
actually many nyc subways turn into el trains outside of Manhattan still. the 1 train is an el at 125th street and north of 191st street, the deepest station on mta nyc transit
@nycdrake7410
@nycdrake7410 6 жыл бұрын
So im guessing you've never been to any other borrough. We still have many "El's"
@sambyrd1581
@sambyrd1581 3 жыл бұрын
@Chuckwang872 the culver el in brooklyn was completed in 1919....i use it every day.
@sambyrd1581
@sambyrd1581 3 жыл бұрын
@Chuckwang872 I understand that, however the title is “the only living el in ny” which is inaccurate.
@HalbertS-wt5hr
@HalbertS-wt5hr 3 жыл бұрын
Not to take sides in this discussion, but what would define an elevated line as being either "original" or "not original"? Original to me means standing in the same place and form as the day it was built, never totally rebuilt. If it's just the date it was constructed then say "first" or "earliest". George Washington was our first President, not an original President.
@W2IRT
@W2IRT 3 жыл бұрын
The Broadway (Brooklyn) line began service in 1885 and is still going strong, carrying the J/Z and M trains in Brooklyn on its mostly-original 136 year old steel structure. Also, the outer part of the Fulton Street el is still standing, currently carrying A trains beyond Grant Ave. to Lefferts Blvd. in Queens. That was a true el line, originally designed/built for lighter/narrower el cars.
@leanmikeandikeminecraftand9028
@leanmikeandikeminecraftand9028 3 жыл бұрын
I think the tittle is supposed to stand for last demolished El.
@eddiesaninocencio7486
@eddiesaninocencio7486 Жыл бұрын
The last EL train is the Woodlawn #4 train. goes through Jerome ave in the Bronx.
@rich-wg5lb
@rich-wg5lb 2 жыл бұрын
Watching from my grandparents 7th floor Gun Hill apartment I used to say the circus was in town.
@frankortolano5886
@frankortolano5886 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@countrypaul
@countrypaul Жыл бұрын
Nice idea....
@a44l
@a44l 2 жыл бұрын
the 7 train is an el from Flushing to Queensboro plaza.
@vandanerisgomes9009
@vandanerisgomes9009 Жыл бұрын
Manda mis história desse lugar gostei
@carlbogner898
@carlbogner898 Жыл бұрын
also Broadway,Jamaca line, The Myrtle ave line
@slice102
@slice102 Жыл бұрын
is that astor place / the cooper union building at 3:36?
@bmiro7335
@bmiro7335 10 ай бұрын
yes
@bobthebear1246
@bobthebear1246 3 жыл бұрын
I was raised in Flushing, Queens and was only 7 in 1974, and so I don't remember the 3rd Ave line. Cool pics, though.
@marshallsobin4879
@marshallsobin4879 Жыл бұрын
So which line is this?
@wallcderand6774
@wallcderand6774 2 жыл бұрын
Very iconic
@dogwish8996
@dogwish8996 2 жыл бұрын
In the video @3:47-3:48 what are the street or avenue being pictured ?
@bmiro7335
@bmiro7335 2 жыл бұрын
That demolition area is near Moshulu Parkway
@richietattersall2122
@richietattersall2122 2 жыл бұрын
NOT A CLUE!!!! All. 4 lines to Coney Island not only run above ground for must of their run in Brooklyn, the Coney Island/Stillwell Ave where they end in Coney Island is TOTALLY above ground. The 7 train runs above ground for most of its run in Queens, the L train runs both above and underground once it leaves Manhattan. The J STARTS undergrounds and in Manhattan and ENDS underground in Queens. The Smith/9st Station, F/G is the HIGHEST above ground station in the world. A vertical lift bridge actually runs UNDERNEATH it. The A train runs above ground on a major part of it's run to the Rockaways once it leaves the Broadway Junction Station in Brooklyn where it crosses both the above ground J line with L above the J. I have never lived in the Bronx, but I can guarantee that major sections are above ground once they leave Manhattan. On more thing, my father WORKED at the NYCTA Subway Shops in Coney Island and retired in 1974. I tend to pay ALLOT more attention to problems then most people and let them know. It's better to catch a problem and deal it BEFORE it shuts down a running train.
@da9618
@da9618 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why they tore it down?
@haroldalexis4200
@haroldalexis4200 2 жыл бұрын
This garbage all started when then Mayor Laguardia was a hater of early New York transportation! He didn't like the trolleys or the els in Manhattan & the City! Take note under in another photo not shown in this video Third Avenue els street level in later years no trolleys in the cobblestone streets but a Red & beige tan early transit Bus. 🤔 The scrappers 🔦 torch he (LaGuardia) held to the Sixth Avenue lines structure right near RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL! Next to the Third Avenue & Second Avenue my West side favorite was the 9th Avenue line heading to the Polo Grounds extended after 1916 & 1917 to the Jerome Avenue line. That sure didn't last! What a destructive city we have! I love all these old time pictures, films & 🎥 videos! I still can see that lower structure between 167th Street & curve to where the replacement Yankee Stadium cuts it off! Remains of the upper wooden ex trackage, lower sector & Street level girders of The Third Avenue Shuttle or Number 8 came in & out of GUN HILL ROAD Station. Those low V's & Originally the Flushing Line Worlds Fair cars were scrapped & treated very dirty is heartbreaking & sad.💔😢😭
@vandanerisgomes9009
@vandanerisgomes9009 Жыл бұрын
Amo história
@charlesengelberg8335
@charlesengelberg8335 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice but would have been better if there was a longer delay in changing the photos. They changed so fast you could barely see any of the details in the photos.
@anthonygallo3576
@anthonygallo3576 Жыл бұрын
Boy oh boy , the rockaways, thr culver line, thr flushing line irt in Manhattan and bronx. They all exsist today. This video need to be retitled .
@rosephoenix4634
@rosephoenix4634 6 ай бұрын
Once it was popular that it in the past. Hope for the present and now is only just memories to the future. Today, right now that a dislocation data, what you see, but now it's already destroyed and gone, but however, everyone you can find some pictures and image that are on some buildings are still standing and stronger today and here and now it's 2024. To see over Before & After. And they're still standing For the past, it was built the buildings to the present data of the State's stronger and low lasting and in the future is still standing. There of still around today, very this day
@urbexfloxks1641
@urbexfloxks1641 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could ride the 3rd ave el everytime I pass gunhill road station I just wish it wasn't taken dowb
@vandanerisgomes9009
@vandanerisgomes9009 Жыл бұрын
Manda mais histórias sobre essa estação de trem
@eddie_en_nueva_york8296
@eddie_en_nueva_york8296 Жыл бұрын
The title is mistaken. There are many elevated trains in New York. Sadness about the disappearing els is ridiculous. They darken the streets below, take up too much space and make lots and lots of noise.
@tjcassidy2694
@tjcassidy2694 7 жыл бұрын
That's Hackensack @ 3:58.
@rodserling6955
@rodserling6955 Жыл бұрын
I remember 3rd Ave el...it had nice old trains from 1939 worlds fair!
@Yarrrii2s7
@Yarrrii2s7 2 жыл бұрын
2:23 what station is this?
@bmiro7335
@bmiro7335 2 жыл бұрын
Gun Hill Road station where the 3rd Ave El merged with the White Plains line
@pulsarlights2825
@pulsarlights2825 Жыл бұрын
Didn't King Kong take down one of the Manhattan Els in the 1933 movie?
@litlgrey
@litlgrey 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea they were pressing the ancient, ANCIENT converted Q cars into service on that line until the very end of days. That's actually shocking. Great for fans, but truly shocking for commuters.
@litlgrey
@litlgrey 4 жыл бұрын
@Nytram Nytram4348 In total, those cars served for approximately sixty years. Perhaps more. Today, the R42s have only now been retired at their fiftieth anniversary but although currently on hiatus, the considerably rebuilt R32s remain. By the time that fleet is finally retired they too will have been in service for approximately sixty years, but the difference is it is a sturdy fleet and a testament to wholly American engineering and construction, and so while clearly looking old, by no means looks as sad and as rickety as the remaining converted Q cars looked out on the dilapidated Myrtle Avenue line back in 1969.
@orangecat5909
@orangecat5909 Жыл бұрын
Gosh it would've been very useful now.
@saulchapnick1566
@saulchapnick1566 2 жыл бұрын
Get a bunch of still photographs of Els, a Paul Simon song and slop together a video. There are still plenty of ELs in Brooklyn.
@billylyle1
@billylyle1 Жыл бұрын
"Holy Christ on the cross in Brooklyn..." That's a quote from The CrazyNYDriver...Joe Demarko...The Steel Industry made a fortune
@mikehunt8997
@mikehunt8997 Жыл бұрын
Sure can use those torn down subways in NYC with all the car congestion these days.
@arsnova.9353
@arsnova.9353 3 жыл бұрын
If it was demolished, presumably it's not living anymore????
@Bp_3775
@Bp_3775 3 ай бұрын
3:36
@hhvictor2462
@hhvictor2462 Жыл бұрын
All these Els should be resurrected, including those in Manhattan. Far cheaper and quicker than constructing one block of the Second Avenue underground line.
@bostonrailfan2427
@bostonrailfan2427 2 жыл бұрын
…only living el? nope, it’s not. it wasn’t even the last stub el, that could be claimed by the Culver Shuttle which closed two years after the 3rd Ave. El. I wasn’t even the last el run as really only the G doesn’t run on an elevated line.
@Bp_3775
@Bp_3775 22 сағат бұрын
0:34
@Bp_3775
@Bp_3775 22 сағат бұрын
1:52
@mcgarry2588
@mcgarry2588 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot about allot of "El" lines man.
@robtyman4281
@robtyman4281 Жыл бұрын
A shame that New York destroyed much of a perfectly good elevated rail network. But I guess it's going the same way as other US cities in terms of general attitudes towards Public Transportation. Just as cities outside America are realising and reaping the benefits of rail and good public transportation networks. Nice video of how it used to be, anyway.
@thataveragexd40foamer26
@thataveragexd40foamer26 3 жыл бұрын
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@ARanere
@ARanere 11 жыл бұрын
at 2:40 Louis Restaurant of Godfather Fame
@rodgiacoleetch6193
@rodgiacoleetch6193 5 жыл бұрын
Slow down.... LoL! MetroNorth has the only 'El' in Manhattan
@lucioussimpson1179
@lucioussimpson1179 4 жыл бұрын
Rod Giacoleetch Wrong the 1 Train
@TomCheer9
@TomCheer9 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucioussimpson1179 Right Lucious - also the highest 'subway' in Manhattan! Haha.
@nicbaracca9608
@nicbaracca9608 7 жыл бұрын
So was it under this El that they shot the car chase if The French Connection?
@rwr773
@rwr773 6 жыл бұрын
No, that was in Brooklyn. Prob. the N or R lines going out to Coney Island
@Qboro66
@Qboro66 5 жыл бұрын
That was the "West End " El in Brooklyn from Bay 50th Street to 62nd Avenue. Some portions of that chase were also filmed along an El in Ridgewood Queens.
@TheJnatch
@TheJnatch Жыл бұрын
no but the Godfather restaurant scene was where the El had its last stop at Gun Hill rd
@garyeisenberg4251
@garyeisenberg4251 2 жыл бұрын
That nice gal in Burger King now that’s sad shit
@carunited5428
@carunited5428 5 жыл бұрын
congratulations selfish person posted on different pictures of the location of the Bronx that is the grandparents used to be living in the Bronx in the past present and set a future that everyone's to remember that the songs how I used to look like how used to be before and then after it's gone and believe me that every every Americans always to respect that shows up pictures videos or any other stuff that's remember that all used to be look back in the old glowing things to remember Dad how does grandpa or grandfather that passed it on the videos or pictures or any other stuff that having the songs that used to be a working in the uniform or any other pictures congratulations
@lynneschneider3584
@lynneschneider3584 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great assembly of photos. Too bad the music sucks and doesn't match.
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