@@DavesRabbitHole The advantage of a bevel down plane is that you don't have to mess with grinding different angles etc to get it to work. Re setting the cap iron will make it suitable for any situation. Leave the bevel up stuff to where they do best. Endgrain.

As a power tool guy, my low angle jack plane is the only one I feel like I "need", but I do find my block plane and router plane come in handy.

Bob Levittan but the way force is applied is different no?

The bed angle of 12 plus 25 deg blade is 37 deg . I have never added a secondary or tertiary bevel . NO NEED . there is a VAST difference between the 37 deg LA and 45 DEG ordinary plane . Plus the LA is way superior for chuting as it ihas less cap iron getting in the way . .

The main reason that these "low-angle" planes work better in certain scenarios is not because of the angle of the cutting edge, but because the blade itself is more "behind the attack". This and the fact that you can adjust the mouth opening will reduce vibration which is the main cause of tearouts. Also these "low-angle" planes usually comes with a thicker blade, which also helps to reduce vibration.

@@738polarbear why would you not put a secondary bevel - isn't it mainly to speed up sharpening?

In Aus and UK the Lie Neilsen is neatly three times the cost, You Americans are spoiled for choice.

I could NOT agree MORE with you .

@@iamrocketray Veritas is CANADIAN

@@iamrocketray not really... The trump tariffs made it 100% more expensive. Veritas 269 euro Luban 169 euro I went for the veritas, as they have other blades available. So it was worth the extra 100, to me.

No - definitely not milled aluminium - machined cast-iron. It must be the lighting that makes it look a bit different.

Stupid question.

machined alu....? come on the chinese are more savvey than that

He doesnt care, got the clicks xd

Because with different blades it can do it ALL . Roughing smoothing veneer prep shooting . The works really It's about a pound lighter than most modern jack planes but heavy enough and SHARP enough to get virtually ANY. Job done

Your comment is a fair one, depending on the quality of the copy and the nature of your budget. In this case, its not quite as open and shut as you suggest.

@@timbeconaus Try to buy Western manufactured items to ensure their survival to say nothing of research, jobs and conditions of those employees. Give it all to the East and we'll have nothing left.

Yes, "the East" are the enemy and they deserve to live in poverty forever while we continue to push them down for being what exactly? Those terrible Asian people are really mean because they want to steal our high standard of living so they can feed their families. Rather than putting up tariffs to protect us from "them", why not be like Veritas and innovate and produce high quality items that people desire? I am not sure that the guys at Lee Valley need protecting from the Asian invasion of products.

Thanks for your message @@mrstandfast2212 . Your concern is understandable, but we can assure that our range of products comes from all over the world. We have tools and equipment that come from factories and workshops in Great Britain, Germany, China, Taiwan, The United States, Australia, Canada - and more. Interestingly, some of the companies within the scope of the western world with whom we wish to grow and with whom we wish to do business do not make the task of dealing with them very easy - despite our growth, our sales and our excellent reputation in business. Our staff members hail from different parts of the world and as we grow our team will no doubt become even more multicultural and cosmopolitan. Timbecon does not believe in drawing those lines in the sand, Stephen. We engage with businesses all over the world. The products we purchase, develop and pass on to our customers are woodworking products that enable makers to make. Facilitating that is our mission statement - everything to get wood working.

Here in the US the Lie-Nielsen is only 20 dollars more than this Chinese knockoff. You can't compare the fit finish or the customer service you'd get from LN.

Agree with you David - people should have various options, and while it would be ideal to have both, in some cases it may only be possible to have one. Certainly for beginners this would be a good choice for them to use.

I have both planes. Since I have the Luban, I haven't touched the Stranley. The #62 can do all the things the #5 can do and much more. The blade is much thicker, so no vibrations like the much thinner #5 blade. The front of the sole is much longer, so much easier use on end grain wood. The mouth opening can used with a small gap for fine work, like the #5, and a bigger gap for tough work. But thats my opinion. ;)

A well tuned "common stanley 5" will indeed provide sterling service for most people, on most timbers,and most joiners will surely manage fine with one all their working lives. It is though, when faced with more exotic and uncooperative grain, the bevel up comes into it's own. The very term low angle is misleading. What we have is a variable angle plane, and it is the higher angles that are effective in dealing with tear out. Hone the iron at a chosen angle, add 12 degrees for the working angle. Invest in a few spare irons and you have a most versatile tool. You can of course hone a back bevel on the bailey iron, but you will need to invest in one or more upmarket irons, as the common bailey blades are made from corned beef tins. Even with a good thick iron, the bevel down plane is far more prone to chatter, than the low angle jack. I can't see where you're coming from advocating the No 62 for beginners, the fact that the mechanism is a simple one, means rather more experience is required in setup.

Spoken like a true amateur woodworker . You are of course welcome to your opinion albeit that you are wrong . A Stanley #5 is not as good as a modern LA Jack . For one it has far less mass . Not to mention its inability to be held properly when chuting .

Wow, everything you said, with the exception of the easy set up for beginners, is incorrect/misguided.

No Axel....He IS Albert Einstein...at least when it comes to making beautiful guitars. He's a genius!

He IS Einstein! At least when he makes guitars, Muhammad! There is a theory of relativity in that for sure!

Stanley still has the same name. But doesnt have the same quality as they had. Even the new sweetheart line is of lesser quality compared to a stanley 1950 tool.

We're struggling? News to us. Gary's explanation of the uses of this plane make it clear that for many, this plane may be the only one that many woodworkers might need. But if you found it to be a waste of time, we can only recommend you move on to other channels.