Should you build or buy a low-angle plane?

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Rex Krueger

Rex Krueger

4 жыл бұрын

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@timpedzinski230
@timpedzinski230 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video! You are doing the research that we all wish we had the time to do. Very comprehensive. Can't wait for the next one.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
That's me: hand-tool researcher!
@jonathanlillpopp2869
@jonathanlillpopp2869 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Stanley. I really like it. In light of the expense of higher end planes I really feel it was a great value. Thanks for the video.
@Gringoros
@Gringoros 4 жыл бұрын
i love your new scene transmissions. I never expect you to start talking :D
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for noticing! I'm always working on being a better film-maker.
@oliverdelica2289
@oliverdelica2289 4 жыл бұрын
Rex Krueger and a comedian through visual comedy
@keirfarnum6811
@keirfarnum6811 4 жыл бұрын
Gringoros “Transitions?!”
@A.B.RoyerWoodWorking
@A.B.RoyerWoodWorking 3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered mine, really excited to finally have a low angel jack plane like this. I have a handful of planes, but am really hoping to have this one as my go-to plane. Thanks again for this video! All the best, Andrew (proud Patreon supporter)
@johnkelley9877
@johnkelley9877 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! You presented a lot of good information to think about. I always enjoy and learn from your tutorials.
@2dividedby3equals666
@2dividedby3equals666 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Rex, it sheds a lot of light on the topic and helps out a novice to choose better and not break the bank.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
If you can get vintage Stanleys, then start there. Otherwise, you could do a lot worse than this thing.
@AquaPeet
@AquaPeet 4 жыл бұрын
11:00 now THAT is a great idea!! Rex can use and test your plane and use it in his videos, and for that he'll professionally sharpen the iron for you! (or tell you that you wasted your money, haha)
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
No money wasted here.
@stephenmarchesani5340
@stephenmarchesani5340 4 жыл бұрын
I have this plane and love it. In addition, I reached out to Stanley about a handle issue that I had when I bought it and could not correct, they sent me a replacement with no questions asked. It was pretty amazing.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Stanley has forgotten so much over the years. At least they still take care of the customers.
@Gro2healthheirlooms
@Gro2healthheirlooms 4 жыл бұрын
I just purchased the Stanley 62 sweetheart plane, I'm on a budget. Great video 👍
@schm4704
@schm4704 4 жыл бұрын
Two more points in favor of low angle planes: it's really quick to clean up a clogged mouth (particularly if you have a mechanism like the Veritas with the set screw for the mouth opening - it literally takes me two seconds), and changing irons for different tasks is really quick and painless because of the easy mouth adjustment and the lack of a fiddly chip breaker.
@DIYHGP
@DIYHGP 4 жыл бұрын
Rex great video. since I’m only a couple years into woodworking and still learning what planes I need to have. and I’m just recently bought a 4 1/2 smoother and I’m so happy I got it.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I love my 4.5!
@kryptonite5315
@kryptonite5315 4 жыл бұрын
"I own an embarrassing number of planes..." Isn't that what a handy plane shelf is for? I sort of thought they were a requirement for wood working content on KZfaq as a backdrop 🤣 Loving, as always, the deep dive into the nuance and minutia of planes. Appreciate all your time and effort to make it a little less baffling for me to grab one and make good use of it.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
All kidding aside, I hate to brag.
@oliverdelica2289
@oliverdelica2289 4 жыл бұрын
Rex Krueger Steve Ramsey even laughed at that trope
@infostarhanger
@infostarhanger Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for clearing up some things. Please keep it up
@ricmarsh7877
@ricmarsh7877 4 жыл бұрын
I bought your book Rex, so far I'm loving it!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I'm delighted to hear that!!!
@MichaelRoss-omtaretutare
@MichaelRoss-omtaretutare 4 жыл бұрын
I just tried out my new Stanley, SW No. 62. This plane is great. This plane is great. This plane is great. Home Depot online, $113 incl shipping and tax. Ordered 1/1/20 rec'd 1/3/20. Everything about this is great.
@yodes07
@yodes07 4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your comparison video!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Goes live tomorrow!
@gastonnicolaspart4658
@gastonnicolaspart4658 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vídeo, very explainable stuff!
@scajesback
@scajesback 3 жыл бұрын
boughy one and your advice is completely justified and relly need a smoother for sure.....
@BradsWorkbench
@BradsWorkbench 4 жыл бұрын
Im still waiting to stumble across a vintage one. Katz moses had a video even showing them used as a scraper. Pretty cool
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
The vintage ones often break. They cast them too thin. Drag.
@m.d.s.7118
@m.d.s.7118 4 жыл бұрын
Thx Rex
@miltons.2462
@miltons.2462 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next video!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad!
@nightcatarts
@nightcatarts 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen barely anything Veritas in action because they're so far out of my price range, so I'm looking forward to finding out how that one compares. Thanks Rex, & the generous lender too.
@JDeWittDIY
@JDeWittDIY 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched it yet, but I vote for building it of course!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Built it; bought it. The verdict: buy it.
@rhys5567
@rhys5567 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait
@ikust007
@ikust007 4 жыл бұрын
But you made it! Bravo!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@vileguile4
@vileguile4 4 жыл бұрын
Early access baby! ❤️️😁⚒
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy it!
@allenwc
@allenwc 4 жыл бұрын
Can't disagree with anything you've said. I ended up getting the low angle plane from Veritas. (They are local so I could actually look at it, touch it, feel it, take it completely apart, before buying). I also got a toothing blade, and a high angle blade. But I got the small smoother, not the jack, for exactly the reasons you said. I tried the Jack with the scrub blade, just not as good as my $25 craftsman scrub plane., like no where near as good honestly. The low angle really excels at end grain for shooting, bevelling, and rounding. I mean really excels. As always, thanks very much for the video!
@ItSeemsDark
@ItSeemsDark 4 жыл бұрын
Damn i love your videos Rex :)
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
That's really nice to hear. Thank you!
@jamesharris7868
@jamesharris7868 4 жыл бұрын
Not bad mate i still like yours if it was made of steel it would perform just as good.I have 3 4 and 4 1/4 smoothers now and a no5 im starting to enjoy using them a lot
@censusgary
@censusgary 4 жыл бұрын
The heaviness is part of the design. It cuts down on vibration and chatter. That’s why (most) planes are made of cast iron instead of aluminum or titanium or magnesium.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but thicker planes are also easier to manufacture. If weight helped so much with chatter, then you'd expect a lot more of if from wooden planes.
@christopherwaterman4925
@christopherwaterman4925 4 жыл бұрын
One note on the fancy bevel up plane, the toothed blade they offer can help a lot for stock removal, and/or dealing with very figured wood. I can’t find one for the Stanley, though I imagine you could make one or have one made.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I think you could make one. I own a toothing plane but I rarely use it.
@pappajudas9267
@pappajudas9267 4 жыл бұрын
I still want to see you make a long wooden plane like your antiques
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 4 жыл бұрын
I bought the sweet heart number 4 plane a couple of years ago, good plane , but for me the tote and weight feels awkward and the Norris adjuster took getting used too. Just used to my baileys. Have considered buying the Stanley 62 for shooting and tough tear out situations, but not sure where to get extra iron to bevel higher. Rx your doing a great job, keep up rthe good work.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I would just grab a second iron and do the high bevel yourself. It takes mere minutes.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger But where can I get another blade, I have looked to no avail. Primary reason not to pull trigger on this make.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger Where can you get spare blade? I have looked around ,no luck. T
@SOLT_Mark
@SOLT_Mark 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Veritas #62 and absolutely love it. It is very fine and well made plane. It will be interesting to see how it competes with the others. Looking forward to it Rex. Still don't like the Premiere thing though. Grrrr. Just glad most others don't do it.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Premiers help me get about 5x views in the first 24 hours. What would you do if you were me?
@SOLT_Mark
@SOLT_Mark 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger Most likely Yes. If I was doing it for a living and it was helping to meet my goals. In your case it is, so the answer is clear. People get annoyed by advertising everyday but yet they buy. It's effective. i don't hold it against you.
@QlueDuPlessis
@QlueDuPlessis 4 жыл бұрын
Missed the premier this week but hey, can't win 'em all.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
You're still here and I appreciate that.
@supertommy6
@supertommy6 3 жыл бұрын
As a new woodworker, I love your videos!! One question... are you suggesting that we should convert to a 50 degree bevel on this plane for all uses? Or only to use for smoothing operations? In simpler terms, if I buy this plane, should I convert the bevel angle or not?
@AndrewFullerton
@AndrewFullerton 2 ай бұрын
Melbourne Tool Company: $230 Veritas: $330 Stanley: $160, plus an extra $365 for shipping to Canada Lubricating wet/dry sandpaper with your own tears: Priceless
@mderan
@mderan 4 жыл бұрын
I bought this plane, and I was wondering if anyone had to do any tuning to the sole of the plane. The sides are a bit out of square with sole, and I was wondering if it was worth trying to flattening or sending it back to Stanley. Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.
@Dave_Meyers
@Dave_Meyers 4 жыл бұрын
Does the low angle jack still out shoot the others... even after you regrows the bevel you reduce tear out? I’d think it’s shooting quality would diminish...
@Lil_Fr0sty
@Lil_Fr0sty 10 ай бұрын
I know this video is quite old, but I was hoping to get a question answered. Is it weird to just want a solid stock removal plane? They way I see it I can build jigs for squaring edges, and before I get a smoothing plane, sandpaper and a radial sander will work fine. I just want something to level faces. I'm wondering if maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.
@shetlandbadger
@shetlandbadger 4 жыл бұрын
Uh Rex, when you lie your planes sole-down flat on the bench does it not kick the iron out of true? My old woodwork teacher used to flip right out when we did that...
@scottadams2624
@scottadams2624 4 жыл бұрын
You're awesome! Thank you for doing this review. You've got me thinking about paring down my user planes. I have a fine set No. 5 and a shooting plane (35 deg Krenov style) as well. Don't know if I could force myself to get rid of my jointers, though. I still don't have a jointer (machine). If I did, I think you would have talked me into one of these low-angle guys. Thanks again!
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly love mine and I was VERY skeptical.
@scottadams2624
@scottadams2624 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty interested in that next video you talked about as well. You've got me curious about this mystery plane.
@karolskakes388
@karolskakes388 4 жыл бұрын
Does the 50 degree angle, (on the plane iron, (blade)), still work well on the shooting board?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Good question. I need to test that.
@oliverdelica2289
@oliverdelica2289 4 жыл бұрын
Rex and Low Angle Jacks don't usually belong in the same video until now
@Chupetex79
@Chupetex79 4 жыл бұрын
Fucking Funny video dude!!!! Can't wait for the comparison video!!!
@wilarguello1598
@wilarguello1598 3 жыл бұрын
Lastima no es castellano. Bueno sepillo ángulo bajo.
@almogyarkony181
@almogyarkony181 4 жыл бұрын
I already bought the Stanley low angle jack plane and the front knob went loose so I had to Epoxy it back together. What do you put on your planes soles so thay wouldn't rust?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Plain old oil. Any kind.
@joshualucas1821
@joshualucas1821 4 жыл бұрын
QC on the new Stanley planes is not great. I bought one and had to return it because the bed wasn't square to the mouth.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I think they make a LOT of them. Probably need to tighten up the QC.
@johnwiltse7869
@johnwiltse7869 4 жыл бұрын
Have you found a less expensive low angle jack plane?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is pretty much it. Honestly, I cannot imagine someone making a good one for less money. These things are not easy to make.
@oliverdelica2289
@oliverdelica2289 4 жыл бұрын
The other contender is the Axminster Rider
@ronhau1542
@ronhau1542 Жыл бұрын
Rex I have a Woodriver 5 1/2. It's good on a shooting board but I want great. Do you think the 62 would be better on the shooting board than a 5 1/2?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger Жыл бұрын
If you can afford a woodriver, then i would buy the veritas low angle jack. Great plane, great shooter, reasonably priced for what you get.
@thomasarussellsr
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Dang it Rex, just before the wives hear you say 3 planes will do most of what you need, mine will start fighting me on my tool expenditures again, even though I rarely get any tool new, and definitely no new planes. Heck my whole plane collection is probably worth less than that loaned brand new Veritas L.A. cost. At this point she is convinced that each has its own use, that took me 3 years to convince her of. Then I bought a thickness planer and she said what about all of those hand planes so I had to promise her new living room tables so I could show her how much faster the electric thicknesser is and that the final strokes with the hand planes produce a better surface. She hasn't come storming in here, so I guess she didn't hear you. Thanks for the comparison though. Your patron isn't stupid, he likely figured you'll put the work in to set up his plane (true the sole, sharpen the iron, etc.).
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 4 жыл бұрын
DUDE!!! That's why God invented these things called "earbuds"!!! ;oP
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Well, you'll just have to turn your woodwork into a business. Now, my wife is not a part of tool purchases and doesn't care what I buy. Well, she'd care if I bought something really big.
@thomasarussellsr
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 thanks for the tip, but I can't find any that fit my (I guess smaller than average) ear holes. They all pop out after as little as a minute. Plus, due to some subdermal chemical burning while in Desert Storm my ears are really sensitive to pressure, so muff style headphones are painful to wear for more than about five minutes. I appreciate the suggestion though.
@thomasarussellsr
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger thanks for the response. Turning it in to a business is not an option, unfortunately. I don't have the time to produce product for others when my body is up to the work. I have several disabilities that make working in the shop for more than a couple hours at a time quite difficult for me. I can't even stand for more than 20 minutes on average, in or out of the shop. It's a great suggestion for many, but it just wouldn't work for me. If I had a commission I would stay out there until I collapsed and be good for nothing for at least a week. Chronic pain with joints the doctors think I should live in a bed with, if I had the average pain tolerance, is no fun, but I just can't stop completely. Heck, I'm still working on a bedside table I started 9 months ago and haven't really done anything but college, sleep, and yard work for the last 6. I likely have plenty of rust to remediate when I get back in the shop.
@thomasarussellsr
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger sorry, couldn't remember your whole comme t and had to go re-read it. Even a replacement table saw blade is really big on our budget, soooo... ($771/mo. SSI) I could use a second income, but can't physically keep up with the demand required to make it a feasable business. Maybe a side item or two after graduation and a new job to get off this SSI check, if that job allows me any energy and time to follow this woodworking dream. Heck, I have to take a break after sharpening a plane iron or chisel.
@mikeoverholtz1939
@mikeoverholtz1939 4 жыл бұрын
ever look at the TayTools 62 low angle jack?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe...did you subscribe?
@mikeoverholtz1939
@mikeoverholtz1939 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger a long time ago :)
@HdtvTh
@HdtvTh 2 жыл бұрын
So if you take a regular bevel down plane and make the bed 35 degree, isn't that lower angle than the low angle plane? Isn't it simpler to put a back bevel on a regular NR.4 and you get a really high angle plane + chipbreaker? I really do not see the point of this plane, other than it's original intended purpose, to level butcher blocks.
@brucebutcher7838
@brucebutcher7838 4 жыл бұрын
Ok got a question, could you weight a wood plane to make it a better shooter?
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe. Wooden planes shoot fine. It's the low angle on this one that makes it so great, although the weight doesn't hurt.
@brucebutcher7838
@brucebutcher7838 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger Thanks Rex for answering my question. I'm a fellow Clevelander and love your channel. I wish I could help you now, but will in the future.
@dblake5193
@dblake5193 3 жыл бұрын
Yours looks better tbh
@edwardleroy7648
@edwardleroy7648 4 жыл бұрын
What does a "slight camber" look like?
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 4 жыл бұрын
In plane irons, it's a rounded cutting edge. If you get back to that part of the video, where he describes "sharpening to a slight camber", it shows the iron in his hands against the grinder wheel making an arc so it rounds off the blade as it sharpens. In aggressive material removal, this helps to scoop out thicker chips without getting "jammed" in the mouth and around the chip breaker, AND avoids "digging" with corners of the iron, so you can set it deeper and get forceful and aggressive with the work without worry about gouging at the edges of strokes or ripping out long valleys in the wood. You can set up your own "slight camber" by finding something round and more than six inches across (in my experience anyway)... usually 7-10 inches is "safe territory" for about anyone to play. Lay it over your iron like a guide and use a sharpie to draw a line so you have a visual aid to follow. Then grind (carefully, and with water to cool it) to shape and sharpen more or less as normal. I personally leave the line (or about half of it) from a regular sharpie as I grind, to be as precise as I need... BUT you can experiment as you find most sensible until you get a feel for it. In keeping irons cool, a smallish tub of cold water near the grinder is mandatory. While you grind in short bursts, touch the iron near the edge to see if it's getting hot. If it's hot enough to be uncomfortable (or worse) dip it in the water for a few seconds to cool it down. That avoids ruining the temper. You can (of course) also stir the water around while dipping, as long as the tub's large enough... Mainly, since you want to avoid any temperature above 400 F, keeping it less than "hot to the touch" is safe enough, and you don't have to buy anything expensive. ;o)
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Hold your iron up the to the light with a straight piece of wood across the edge. You should so no light across most of the middle of the edge and just a little light peaking out towards the ends. You want a VERY slight curvature across the edge.
@edwardleroy7648
@edwardleroy7648 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger Thank you very much.
@ikust007
@ikust007 4 жыл бұрын
Easy to buy ... anyone can. To BUILD is another world. Wait after the third you will have done .
@moonwolf7135
@moonwolf7135 4 жыл бұрын
Iys not meant for surfacing
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but lots of people say it is, so I thought it was important to discuss.
@moonwolf7135
@moonwolf7135 4 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger when you listen to Katz-Mose and some of the others it was made special for end grain and cutting boards, but I know some will try to use it for a smooth plane not its intended use
@dragonthunder2145
@dragonthunder2145 4 жыл бұрын
Rex, what’s the brand of plane that’s in the Stanley price range you mentioned? I know u said it will be in the next video but if u tell me now I’ll become a patreon & donate boat loads of cash
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
I just wrote a detailed article about it on Patreon. Become a Patron and you'll get immediate access!
@dragonthunder2145
@dragonthunder2145 4 жыл бұрын
I asked you first. So either tell me the name or I’m out
@BobAmarant
@BobAmarant 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rex for all your good videos! You got me into restoring some of my own! Check them out on my channel. Keep up the great content!
@litus01
@litus01 4 жыл бұрын
I should warn you that your videos frequently get bumped off my feed before I get to see them when you release them early like this. I like them so I go looking later but I thought you should know that it “could” reduce the number of views your getting.
@RexKrueger
@RexKrueger 4 жыл бұрын
Man, it's so tough to figure out the Premire feature. On the one hand, it boosts views out of the gate, but then there's the issue you raised. I just don't know!
@QlueDuPlessis
@QlueDuPlessis 4 жыл бұрын
That getting bumped of thing happens with everything, premier or not. There seem to be a tendency for the dull stuff to stick around, but the stuff I really want to catch flashes past like a speeding rocket. I do notice it more with premier though because I see the notice ahead of time, then wonder down the line what happened to that show I was waiting for.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 4 жыл бұрын
At least part of "videos getting bumped off the feed" has to do with the "back-end" (between YT and Creators) and part of it's also the "front end" (between YT and Users)... Whenever you click on videos, and especially when you "like" them, the algorithm adjusts what you're being shown "as available" on the feed. I don't keep too many subscriptions at a time, so I play at the algorithms to see what I CAN manipulate in my own feed... I've been about three years, now, but that's the conclusion I've got "so far". Just hope it helps. The easy version, is that you can probably "steer your feed" back toward Rex, by clicking and liking a couple woodworking and hand-tool oriented videos... He's likely to pop right back up. I'm pointing this out because some folks have phones and tablets with less than stellar "keyboard access"... so it's kind of a short-cut. ;o)
@caffau
@caffau 4 жыл бұрын
Videos missing from feed seems to be a widespread problem lately. I was just reading a PC tech youtuber mention that an older relative of theirs is subscribed to *only* their channel and *still* doesnt reliably get notifications / videos in feed.
@wilarguello1598
@wilarguello1598 3 жыл бұрын
Qué lástima, vos hablas ingles (creo) gráficamente me interesan esos temas, yo solo hablo castellano.
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