Is that a quote from a book?

@@westhawk7259 not that I'm aware of, I wrote it.

@@raspherion Then why is it in quotation marks?

@@SecretLars make it a quote

@@SecretLars bro literally coined his own quote, that’s why. Now anyone can use it.

Between family guy, American dad, his movies and this, he has proven he isn’t just funny guy

This might be Seth's attempt at an apology after all of the jokes at Ida Quagmire's expense in Family Guy

@@AguilarSquared Yeah, that entire episode was just awful, along with the lengthy history of transphobic jokes throughout Family Guy... But The Orville kind of helps put him on a better path, just like Klyden.

​@@papertigerworkshop1174but are they actualpy phobic? I mean, they make fun of cis white people all the time, it's not like the show is focused against trans people. I think that including them among the various groups that are made fun of is just kinda their way of including them. Maybe it's not fully appreciated, in a similar way to a roast that goes a bit too far, but i woukdn't jump the gun and call it transphobic

@@AguilarSquared Seth actually hasn’t written for family guy in YEARS. He hasn’t been responsible since like season 4 or 5.

People have no idea how long i waited for it! It always rubbed me the wrong way that Klyden is so clearly depicted as conservative fanatic, when he himself is a victim of moclan culture, since he is a trans man, i always wanted them to show some angle of maybe coping with it by embracing his culture to extreme. I just wrote him off after he left and said what he did to Topa, there shouldn't be returning from it. But they did it. Klyden not accepting Topa forgiveness right off the bat, knowing that she is too vulnerable right now, to make such decision, and telling her that he must be changed, god. And when he invites Grayson to dinner, good god he be reconciling with anyone.

​@@weathersama604in "a tale of two topas" they hint at this by having klyden declare that "every child is unhappy". That tella us that he probably went through the same feelings topa had in her childhood, but Klyden had to force himself to overcome that because he had conservative parents and also he didn't know he was born female

Very well stated.

And he’s already showing how he will change and is accepting of her when he says “May I speak with her?”

​@@sceetherthenadder not to mention that he was "proud to call [her his] daughter"

You can see Bortus's shoulders drop at that moment. His whole body finally lets go of the stress he's been holding in for so long.

The sad reality is Bortus loves klyden. Despite resentments towards decisions relating to their daughter. It hurt him to be the one forced to choose the morals of an alien species over his mate but always understood that it was best for Topa.

Yes, Bortus was like "Ahhh, finally I can rest from this stress at last"

OMG I missed that😭 that adds weight to Bortas’s exhale and reaction

@D C i don’t believe they went into that kind of detail. I believe the appendage was missing altogether. Hense why when she hatched there was an immediate recognition she was female not male. Then again was never implied either way so who knows.

"It was at this moment Bortus knew Klyden had changed, and he needed to let him see Topa."

@D C Even if that was the case, I doubt that last part. If anything, the writers will keep her female and have her join the Union to work on the ship alongside Bortus. Have her be the beacon of light that shines away the dark void that the Moclans bring, and prove that female Moclans can do more than hide away on a separate planet.

@@mrscwchino That's headcanon. The only thing the show shows is that females are much more rare than males, and aren't needed for reproduction. You are correct that she isn't transgender now, but she was for the time she was male.

if only the same could happen with Peter Griffin

Bit of self awareness goes a long way.

Exactly. From her, "it's okay" is her forgiving her father for his mistakes. And the way he says "No it is not" seems like he has thought about it, deeply, and realized how absolutely horrific his words were to his own daughter, and he wants her to know it was never and will never be acceptable. Edit: And as he stated, she was almost lost because of his beliefs and the people that shared them. Which makes him realize how horrific they are, and he has ultimately realized he would rather let them go than lose his child.

This was very brilliant acting. He really made the sobbing believable as hell.

He’s not fully redeemed, but he’s at the first steps.

It takes a bigger person to swallow their pride.

@@Coyoteprime Agreed.

I agree he felt so much guilt over the way he treated her

Sadly thats ussually what it takes IRL too.

Don't forget, Klyden was born female. Probably on Moclus and had the surgery... Who told Klyden he was born a she? And why would a Moclan tell Klyden he was born female? Not for Klydens benefit thats for sure. And Klyden was taught, by his peoples values, to hate himself for it. The best he could hope was to go unnoticed and hope no one else would find out while being as Moclan as possible to disperse suspicion... Klyden lived the life Topa would have had. While Klyden did act badly, I can see where it stemmed from. We know Klyden loves Topa, but Klyden feared that what he went through would happen to his daughter and Klydens own issues hadn't been resolved as he hid from them, trying to be as Moclan as possible. In some ways, this isn't about gender. This is about escaping an ideology that teaches you to hate yourself for being born the way you are. The Orville capture this perfectly. Bortas, the one with an open mind. Topa, the one who the subject carries the most impact. And Klyden, the one who walked in Topa's shoes and chose the other route because that's what his culture demanded and he wasn't ready to defy his culture until what he loved more was almost taken away from him.

Chad Coleman is a fantastic actor, that he delivered this performance under that prosthetics and makeup is miraculous

and he did the voice of Coach in Left 4 Dead 2

Yes! Klyden has been a very unlikeable character for quite some time so for the storyline to progress and get the audience to feel so much empathy for a character like Klyden is genius on both the writing and from the actor angle

@@jackwhitbread4583 You feel this much for Klyden exactly because of how unlikeable he's been, and beecause it's clear that he's just now really realizing this.

@@swack24 omg really that's great

And promised to be better and change, admitting your mistake is the first step and then actually committing to changing is how people actually change. That's what's so amazing about this show, it does character arcs so damn well. This is how people ACTUALLY change in real life, many shows would have done some quick "I'm sorry" "it's ok" *hug* type of thing but this felt real

I’ve noticed from some clips that Klyden can be seen out of their room more too, even talking to some women if I remember correctly. I love watching characters slowly progress, it’s honestly impressive what they did with Klyden on the show

Ben Levan I especially love that, from this point on, it's so clear how happy they are. Every moment Bortus' family is on screen, it's clear that they are working to make things better. The only real scene we get after this of them fighting was when they couldn't figure out how to crack walnuts...and anyone who's tried to crack a walnut knows that they were giving very appropriate reactions.

​@@CheshireCat-cm1siNothing brings a family together like tragedy, it's when you need to rely on each other the most and have each other's back. My sister and I weren't especially close as we grew up and barely talked in college and then my mother had to get an emergency surgery and we rallied around her and it made us so much closer

When Bortus closes his eyes and breathes, you can see his shoulders drop. His whole body lets go of the stress he's been holding in for so long. It's a subtle and beautiful bit of acting.

Well actually I never did hated him because of well the fact that how long he been told about females and that he was a female in that situation.

@@victor2641 ' I wish you were never born' it takes a real piece of shit to say that to one's own child. Luckily, that need not be a terminal condition.

He competes his redemption at the end of the episode when he invites Kelly to join them for dinner. He would always ignore Kelly when she was with Bortus since she was female. Bortus even called him out on that once. You can even see Bortus smile at the end when Kelly joins them.

Klyden's whole issue was self hate. Because of what was done to him as a child, and how everything he was feeling conflicted with everything his culture taught.

I never truly hated Klyden, because he is inherently likable. He's good natured, charming, supportive and a loving husband and father. His actors performance also helps a great deal to make him so and they gave him numerous moments to show that off. It's why it's all the more horrible that he let himself descend into bigotry and prejudice and shows that many such people in real life aren't snarling monsters but normal people like any other indoctrinated into cultures of hate.

You've also got to understand that Klyden is also a victim. Because all his life he's been told females were inferior and found out he was born female.

@@Quirriff the moment he says "I accept you for who you are" in a way is also him accepting who he is

@@Quirriff Exactly. This is the scene where I started to like Klyden.

Klyden is great because he's so weak as a person. He hid behind his prejudices to the point that he made a lot of trouble for people on the basis of them. Seeing him have this moment was powerful because you know that the Klyden from S1 would never, ever have done it

Every other show would have used this position to take extra shots and Klyden, Even the high society of Trek has shown it's petty vengeance, that Klyden needed to be punished for his behavior and shamed. Instead, they show a man, consumed by a lifetime of being taught self hatred, and bigotry. I love that there is nothing about forgiveness, only acceptance and moving forward. Chad L Coleman just destroys you when he admits his weakness and hatred. Peter Macon has a difficult job of displaying his emotions behind a shield of stoic masculinity which you still see cracks forming. It's criminal how under appreciated this show is.

Agreed. Orville IS the spiritual continuance of ST, TNG, DS9 and ENT. Not voyager. Voyager was trash.

​@@unclejoeoakland I liked voyager, but it has lots of issues. All that you mentioned are still hella better than anything officially trek today.

May I also add that Chad Coleman deserves accolades for his performance as Klyden.

true

Given his past spitefulness towards her, when he called her back just before she left, you could see she was expecting more of the same from him. Offering to share a meal is definitely a step in the right direction when it comes to changing his ways.

It's unfortunate that we'll most likely never get to see him develop any further. I'll be very surprised if this show comes back for a fourth season.

@@bradleyj.fortner2203 After the hugely positive review scores and fan reactions for this season, and D23 (Disney's big expo for announcements of future products and shows/movies) coming up in just a couple of weeks, I'm holding out hope that they announce a renewal then. I believe they only greenlit this season because while the first two seasons were good, they still lacked here and there. The execs likely wanted to see how well a show like this could do before deciding to renew it again.

@@BYERE We'll see. I'm not holding MY breath.

i'd like to think Klyden's coming around, but part of me is a bit jaded and tells me that he may be saying whatever he can so he has a place to go since he'd be totally ostracized by his species due to his mate and their child. believe me, i WANT Klyden to be a good person, but his track record demonstrates that he has a long way to go beyond some tearful words. at the bachelor party at the season finale makes me think that Klyden is maybe trying TOO hard, which as someone who lived with an abusive parent trying to 'be better' is throwing up serious red flags for me. 'See how much i've changed? you'll be so impressed that when i start to backslide, you won't accept it.'

Wait why shouldn’t you ask for forgiveness? Isn’t that part of taking responsibility?

@@achinthmurali5207 Asking for forgiveness is not the same as apologising, depending on the circumstance it can put the onus for solving the hurt on the transgressed rather than the transgressor. Simply apologise and acknowledge the wrong done, why it was done, apologise and commit to becoming better. Forgiveness is the sole right of the person wronged.

@@thomasparkin259 forgiveness doesn’t have to be given yes, but ASKING for forgiveness is by every metric apologizing and taking responsibility because one can only ask for forgiveness if they acknowledge they have done something wrong.

@@dagan2000 I mean Klyden did revoke his Moclan citizenship for Topa, he would not have done that unless he was sure of his love for his child

This episode is one of Kelly's best.

In my opinion they went too far with their whole sexist crap. Tradition my ass. They developed corrective procedures in case a female was born! I bet they’re only a single gender species because they developed tech to do that.

Some people are strong in their beliefs but there is somethings that are too far for some. He isn’t a bad dad just misguided by dogma. If he did watch Rudolph and maybe Dumbo the original animated version and possibly the Secret Garden maybe he would finally see things Boris sees.

@@Coyoteprime Even faith has its limits.

Well more like prejudice than faith.

Klyden lived the life Topa would have lived. Klyden was born female too so I can’t help but think Klyden knew the life Moclus would have inflicted on his daughter. But when Moclus tried to take away his child, that was to much. Klyden now thinks of a life outside of the rigid dogma of Moclus, not for himself. He lived within the rigid rules of his people. But for his daughter who showed him that living outside of the rules Moclus imposes… isn’t as bad a thing as he was taught when someone from Moclus, probably a nasty piece of work, told Klyden he was born a female.

And very Smart

And she has one hell of a papa bear.

There's a part of me that thinks that Ty and Topa may wind up as BFFs. Ty looks poised to follow his stepfather into the sciences and Topa feels like a future command potential.

@@hagamapama I agree, I would love to see Ty and Topa joining the fleet as part of the Orville the next generation

That's the unconditional love of a child for you. She still loved him even when he walked out on her. And she still loved him when he came back, even before he apologized.

I actually REALLY loved the fact that the first questions he asks are about how Topa is feeling and if they are hurt. That shows immediately where his heart is at. 😢

I think a lot of that hate was directed inwards, he didn't find out he was female until he came to the Orville and I think that was what caused a lot of unhappiness he had in season 1

Did he tell Topa that he was born female, too?

No, he only told Bortus. I don't think Bortus even told Topa.

He kind of is with this one.

​@garthrogers2269 Problem is they're not giving us more episodes right now and that's just upsetting. This would be the _only_ reason I'd subscribe to any streaming service it would air on.

I had to pause it for a minute or two to clear my eyes. Same thing happened at the end of Ghostbusters: Afterlife.

I still tear up every time

I cried pretty hard on my first viewing. As opposed to yelling "Oh F*CK you Klyden" on his last appearance.

Even if it doesn't, I think they've left it in a good spot to end on. Hell, a lot of shows don't even get a legit finale that feels this "complete".

if you want a 4th re watch it on disney plus a bunch

@@AvengerBB1 They really made a good decision doing that, since they don't know if there will be more or not, but given how spectacularly well recieved this season has been I'd be surprised if there weren't more

YES! I want Fourville, I want Moreville!

2:40 for me. When she says, "Its okay, I understand." And Klyden response "No, it is not".

@@wjrneo2 I know what you mean. Topa forgives Klyden, but he will never forgive himself. You hear it in his voice.

I think he’ll at least learn to live with what he was and become a better person. And knowing that the people he loves forgive him will help him heal too.

I think he knows how to write a good ensemble show without executive meddling. Deep Space Nine didn’t have to have Sisko as the focus every episode, after all.

Yeah when watching the third season I was like "Man, we haven't really seen much of Ed"

If you watch that dinner scene closely, you will see Klyden smiling as they all eat together.

It's like the DBZA of Star Trek

@@wwalton not even close. DBZA stuck to the parody with minor sprinkles of seriousness, and is a redub. Orville is wholly original, serious story with sprinkles of comedy and parody, then went full on Star Trek.

But notice how Seth McFarland wrote himself out of most episodes this season and was background fodder because his own story is generic?

@@williampearson6299 he still has a great story with anaya.

@@williampearson6299 That is what's so great about the Orville, while Ed is the captain he is not the star of the show. He could easily have made himself the main character, but he understood that it was a collective effort and all characters deserve their stories and spotlight.

@@jackwhitbread4583 Ed has the most boring conflict

@@williampearson6299 He's certainly become a much better writer over the years and is clearly listening to feedback

~slides box of tissues over~ Just when you think you can watch it and not have a reaction....

Yes this is a beutiful moment i am crying everytime i watch this

It's been so long that I can't remember right off hand except the death of spock. Discovery has some great moments because SMG plays emotional moments so well and the fact that she looks like my niece.

@@warrenreid6109 SMG? Soniqua Martin Green? Why the abbreviations?

Actually I've only ever had a couple Trek episodes hit me anywhere near this hard. Orville is the first one of these shows that purposely kept a bigoted character around just to watch everyone hate him and now 3 seasons in he's finally figured out what a dick he's been. This is a great payoff for 3 years of tension waiting for some sign that Klyden was capable of personal growth. Turns out he was, and the release of tension from this episode is all the better for being so long delayed. Finally we get to really see the spark of goodness that even exists in a person like Klyden. This is superior storytelling to Trek. Trek has never let the tension build up this long. With a very occasional exception in DS9 the characters that explore subjects like bigotry and intolerance are usually one show wonders. This isn't a one off character, this is a central supporting character, that we've watched be awful for a very long time. We know Klyden, we know why he now wants so desperately to change, and above all, we know how very, very far he has to go. That makes it hit much harder. It's just like the famous Nog-Sisko scene hits harder because we know Nog and know this is a big step for him and we understand why Sisko is wary -- because both characters have had time to marinate and have shown us who they were and how they are changing. Trek has almost never had the patience and planning to give us a payoff like this.

@@hagamapama the TNG episode where Picard lives his entire life on an alien planet is a really emotional. Especially the flute song at the end.

@@RabbitShirak oh man! When ever I watch that episode, I almost finished my box of tissues. Especially, the last part when he is alone in his room and playing the flute.

I agree. MacFarlane is walking away from what could easily become the next Star Trek or Star Wars franchise.