The Ostende Raid - Peace of Bucharest I THE GREAT WAR Week 198

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6 жыл бұрын

Even though the first raid on Ostende and the Raid on Zeebrugge were not entirely succesfull, the Royal Navy is still determined to block access to the German submarine ports in Belgium. And this week they attack Ostende again. Meanwhile, the Germans are planning their next offensives for late May 1918 even though ten percent of the Western Front army has become a casualty in the offensives this year alone.
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@cynicalautist1774 6 жыл бұрын

imagine being Von Lettow-Vorbeck at this point, who has been waging an unwavering Guerrilla war down in German Africa against all odds, without knowledge of the front at home and strained in terms of supply...

@MarkSultanaX2 6 жыл бұрын

7:22 that guy on the bottom left is all like "Ehm, guys, are you seeing this? There's a text just floating up here".

@Alin-ql6it 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@zainmudassir2964 3 жыл бұрын

True

@dylanrodrigues Ай бұрын

Lmao

@ottovonbearsmark8876 6 жыл бұрын

Two Entente nations down! The central powers can’t lose now!

@alexp5461 6 жыл бұрын

The Germans couldn't break through because they did not have cavalry. Haig disapproves.

@blackacidgaming5672 6 жыл бұрын

Alex P trueeeeeee

@Doc-ix9dp 6 жыл бұрын

The amount of logistics necessary for all of this makes it clear how often logisticals errors SHOULD happen. Food, ammo, clothing, medicine, general equioment, troop mobilization... Crazy stuff

@AlanDeAnda1 6 жыл бұрын

Doc Tic-tac-tic-tac!

@nukewarrior7991 6 жыл бұрын

An old saw (probably from the Romans) "Amateurs study Tactics, Professionals study Logistics."

@Tuning3434 6 жыл бұрын

8:40 aaannnnd DEMONITIZED! Sorry Flo, you will have to stick to eating dry biscuits again this week.

@jamestang1227 6 жыл бұрын

I hear they've had to cut their rations due to the KZfaq blockade.

@NormanMStewart 6 жыл бұрын

Or turnip juice. Sorry, guys.

@GeneralJackRipper 6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you used the word "decimated" correctly.

@LinkoofHyrule 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Indy! Because of your videos, I have taken a real interest in The Great War, and am going to the Menin gate on 11/11/18. I just wanted to say thank you for introducing me and teaching me about this time period! Keep it up.

@colinkelly5420 6 жыл бұрын

Better get there early, I imagine the crowds will be pretty thick for the centennial. It is usually pretty busy regardless.

@Tuning3434 6 жыл бұрын

+Colin Kelly Yeah, I visited Ypres @ just a random (week)day in 2014. One minute Menin gate is basically empty, next minute XX British Busses arrive and you're happy you can spot a glimp of the ceremony standing in the crowd. I can only image the crowd will be even bigger on the 11/11th. Might not be a unwise decision to schedule a 2nd visit on another day improving your chances of seeing something of the ceremony. Ypres and Nieuwpoort are however nice places to visit regardless of Centenials.

@seatravelers 6 жыл бұрын

Logistics is the most underrated and perhaps the most important thing in war. Thanks for another great episode!

@oneofmanyjames-es1643 6 жыл бұрын

3:14 - those machine gun bikes again

@vidmizz 6 жыл бұрын

Russia and Romania down, there's no way Germany is losing now!

@Cancoillotteman 6 жыл бұрын

Because of the equipment lack for France & Britain yes, but no Amercian soldier would have seen European battlefields : the British Navy controlled the seas.

@rezajafari6395 6 жыл бұрын

+Bennett McCoy the Central Powers would have won if America stayed neutral - the US was, while not that strong, the last drop

@johngalvano5895 6 жыл бұрын

maaybe

@Cancoillotteman 6 жыл бұрын

+Bennett McCoy Yes indeed, this is why I said it is true because it would have made the central powers win the attrition war ;)

@Cancoillotteman 6 жыл бұрын

However it was ever more than unlikelythat this would happen : from the start over the US just like Brazil were either neutral or even allied with France and Britain. Also you should consider that if the US entered on the side of the central powers more than likely Mexico and Brazil would have made a move for it, rendering the endgame more uncertain. And would Britain and France launched so many men and material consuming offensives in 1916-17 if there was a risk for the US to join the other side ? All those are the problems of fiction history, you never quite know for sure ;)

@Otokichi786 6 жыл бұрын

A long time ago (the mid 1960's) I found a book titled "Zeebrugge," which told of the "raid of the blockships" to cut down on U-Boat raids. It was quite a tale of adventure, courage under fire, and posthumous Victoria Crosses.

@claudiopiazza3476 6 жыл бұрын

Italy hadn't done anything since december 1917. I'm so excited to wait until the 20th of June.

@ShinobiHOG 6 жыл бұрын

I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for correctly using the word "decimated". Its like newscasters and historians can't pick up a dictionary.....

@varana 6 жыл бұрын

... but if they do, they'll find that the meaning of the word has shifted and means "greatly reduced" now. Language changes.

@paulmanson253 6 жыл бұрын

Shinobi HOG Yes indeed. Are you familiar with the history of the word cohort ? Very similarly misused indeed.

@CaptainDecimus 6 жыл бұрын

decimate ˈdɛsɪmeɪt/Submit verb past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated 1. kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of. "the inhabitants of the country had been decimated" Or could it be those newscasters and historians aren't living in the BCs?

@paulmanson253 6 жыл бұрын

Captain Decimus Are you familiar with the history of the word ? Are you familiar with its original meaning ? I am happy you are willing to go to a dictionary,but do you know who originally used it and why ?

@troilusmaximus7547 6 жыл бұрын

paul manson None of that has anything to do with OP's point. He was mocking "historians" and "newscasters" for being too dumb to understand dictionaries, when in fact most dictionaries would very much allow the common definition.

@rarespirvulescu233 6 жыл бұрын

My great great grandfather was a major in the Romanian Army and died I think when the Romanians where retreating to Moldova.

@blade5896 6 жыл бұрын

8:23 I thought that Von Lettow Vorbeck was "undefeated" in the war though

@colinkelly5420 6 жыл бұрын

"Undefeated" in that he managed to run the clock and not get destroyed. Practically speaking, his accomplishment was remaining a force in being and diverting disproportionate resources from critical theaters to chasing him around Africa. Given it was a more guerrilla style war he waged, it could be argued the criteria for being "undefeated" are much different than for conventional enemies. But yeah, he did lose battles. He just never got so thoroughly defeated he couldn't maintain his "force in being" effect which kept Allied forces diverted from the Western Front.

@babblingbabblator9259 6 жыл бұрын

- "Can there be a peace between us?" - "Peace... no peace..." - "What do you want us to do?" - "Die...... die....!" No compromise. Next episode: WW3. Coming soon! On all theaters.

@d8ndaddy 6 жыл бұрын

I've finally caught up with everyone after 11 weeks of binge watching. Looking forward to the new episode tomorrow!

@illuindb 6 жыл бұрын

Everyone bouncing around about hilter but I was like, omg,THE CHARLES DAWES. Son of Rufus Dawes and 30th Vice President!

@rasmusalmqvist5960 6 жыл бұрын

"You raid them by night"... now that's how you should start every video! Btw, on the topic of logistics and communications... any chance we could see a Special on either of these two (super interesting) topics?

@freakyvoid9597 6 жыл бұрын

They already have a logistics vid up. its called ww1 in numbers and it goes over the materials needed to just supply one section of a canadian line

@rasmusalmqvist5960 6 жыл бұрын

Freakyvoid thanks... not sure how I could've missed that one. 👍

@freakyvoid9597 6 жыл бұрын

No bother man ;)

@warwickeng5491 6 жыл бұрын

That's the strategy I put in place whenever I feel like brutally raiding the fridge

@omexico1 6 жыл бұрын

Every Thursday I look forward to these episodes I can’t get enough keep up the awesome content !

@nickvangeel 6 жыл бұрын

Currently studying in Ostend, so this was cool

@frankwhite3406 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent Episode most Informative !!!

@edwil111 6 жыл бұрын

Great episode!

@indianajones4321 6 жыл бұрын

Peace...War continues

@sharkfinbite 6 жыл бұрын

War: Peace... You're still going to be on the bench even after the peace treaty is signed. The war might have been declared to be finished, but there will still be war going on at home when the people return. The people will bring along their demons and issues brought about from the war. Not to forget the struggle of trying to return to normal. You're never going to get off that bench until maybe after ww2.

@IanKath 6 жыл бұрын

As Indy mentions logistics in this episode, I'd love to know more about the enormity of the logistical exercise by all sides.

@Isildun9 6 жыл бұрын

At 3:12, I think we see the inspiration for Space Marine Attack/Assault Bikes in Warhammer 40k. Awesome, even if it is just a method of transporting a machine gun.

@wilhufftarkin8543 6 жыл бұрын

Only a few months left... I will miss this channel. I hope we'll see you again in 21 years for the sequel. ;)

@maxanklowitz9888 6 жыл бұрын

In my world history class. We are do our we1 topic. We are watching your vids. And I still keep watch your weekly vids. Ty for make history fun and interesting.

@brokenbridge6316 4 жыл бұрын

Great job.

@timshelby2324 6 жыл бұрын

Boy it's getting exciting , I can't wait to see who wins .

@ItRemindMeOfHome 6 жыл бұрын

I just now realized that next week's episode falls on my birthday. So, to Indy and team, a preemptive thank you for an amazing birthday present!

@Warspite1 6 жыл бұрын

Your comment inspired me to check what day my B-day falls on. Turns out, it's also a Thursday. Nice.

@SamAronow 6 жыл бұрын

Blücher! (neigh)

@knutdergroe9757 6 жыл бұрын

Sam Huddy , Frau........

@felafnirelek8987 6 жыл бұрын

If the Germans had him or Moltke the Elder, the War would be over.

@Mikey-xz4vn 6 жыл бұрын

Would the doctor care for a brandy before retiring?

@leavemealoneyoutube1707 6 жыл бұрын

Would you like a roll in zee hay?

@SultanOfAwesomeness 6 жыл бұрын

Hundreds of people were awarded medals for outstanding bravery. What makes this 'Adolf Hitler' guy so special?

@hagamapama 6 жыл бұрын

What the United States accomplished in a single year from 1917-1918 was nothing short of stupendous. Allied frustrations are comprehensible because of how much is at stake, but the work done to get the US Army from a band of border guards and Indian fighters all the way up to full major power combat readiness in so few months is incredible. That said, the time delay had still become unacceptable in a modern warfare situation, which is why the US was much more aggressive at drawing up its forces and preparing for war in WWII

@jamestang1227 6 жыл бұрын

7:22 *Guy sitting on the left: So thats what the treaty's called.

@tapeterson1 6 жыл бұрын

Hello Great War Gang! Thank you for everything you do/have done so far! Everyone has a plan for after this terrible war, should they survive. What are your plans for after the war? Semper Fi!

@chrismusix5669 6 жыл бұрын

Not to be confused with raiding the fridge by night.

@Jacob_The_Elber 6 жыл бұрын

I watched a documentary on Waterloo and I saw around 10 easy victory's for the French. I learned all this from watching The Great War

@positivewheat2053 6 жыл бұрын

great vid

@FrancoisMontandon 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent, maybe think of doing for WWII week by week and some specials related to events happening in the week... I realize with this week by week way of doing history that some weeks the situation was quite calm.

@thegreathadoken6808 6 жыл бұрын

Indi you can 'destroy my harbor' with your submarine, any time. 💛

@matthewbrown3878 4 жыл бұрын

Telephone Lines!! Major story of American Women at war! Women telephone operators -- "Hello Girls" -- served in the US Army for the first time. If interested, visit Suresnes American Cemetery (suburbs of Paris) to visit final resting place of Chief Operator Inez Crittenden.

@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 жыл бұрын

This time, 10% MORE enthusiasm, Flo.

@manofsteel7052 6 жыл бұрын

I am wondering what were the Romanians thinking, why did we enter the war again???

@hreniucandrei3702 6 жыл бұрын

One Word: Transylvania

@1996koke 6 жыл бұрын

They thought that Austro Hungary was about to collapse

@ItRemindMeOfHome 6 жыл бұрын

Vulkan Of Nocturne, not the Axis, wrong war

@ionutionut7265 6 жыл бұрын

Hreniuc Andrei daaaa

@ionutionut7265 6 жыл бұрын

For unity of romanians under one country

@kingusernamelxixthemagnifi3488 6 жыл бұрын

Mackensen needs to go help western front right now.

@theonlybestful 6 жыл бұрын

"With names like: Blücher" *horse neighing in the background*

@Johnnycdrums 6 жыл бұрын

Pausing now to get my mind ready to absorb what Indy is about to rattle off.

@derekgillespie4185 6 жыл бұрын

Perfect vids to watch and smoke a cigar

@SirAdrian87 6 жыл бұрын

The Peace of Bucharest was not legal. All treaties must be signed by the king in order to be valid. The Romanian king refused to sign the peace treaty, so Romania was very much at war.

@akillerpacman1709 6 жыл бұрын

OOTT: Hiya fellas! I was wondering about the usage of shotguns in the Great War, besides the famous American M1897 “trench gun” what other shotguns were in use? Great show BTW, and remember “we won’t come back till it’s over, over there!”

@akillerpacman1709 6 жыл бұрын

Can I get a link to the video?

@larnitongsin3231 6 жыл бұрын

I came as Fast possible when the Notification triggers..... because this is Indy's channel.😊

@isaiahscott1998 6 жыл бұрын

Indy I watch your videos any chance I get. I was wondering if you can make a video about EVERY type of injury that could be inflicted during combat and how the mdeics dealt with each one. Keep up the vids, peace

@TheShootthemessenger 6 жыл бұрын

You should all come to Liverpool, England in early October, we've got the giant puppets that did a ww1 special event back in 2014 coming over again, potentially for the last time! There's also a fair amount of WW1 stuff over and near here too!

@alexandruianu8432 6 жыл бұрын

It should be noted that the Peace of Bucharest had not been ratified by the King, who allowed a secret mobilization. Eventually, the lack of a ratification made it easy to renounce it on November 10th.

@thurin84 6 жыл бұрын

driven north east of nanungu by gen. northey. theres something fitting about that.

@Soulseeker223 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Indy and crew! I just recently completed a research project on the American 79th Division and its service during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive. It also includes more information on the training problems that the AEF faced during the war. Would you be at all interested in taking a look?

@Me88230 6 жыл бұрын

Both Russia and Romania got horrible treaties from Germany, however it is the treaty of Versailles that gets the bad review.

@blackmichael75 6 жыл бұрын

An interesting thing happened with Lloyd George this week too, a sort of attempted coup. Which no doubt you didn't have time to cover.

@nateshandy2070 6 жыл бұрын

Between Brest-Littovsk, Bucharest, and the recent German offensives (mixed bag though they be), I can't say I blame the British and French for getting on the Americans' backs. "We're not doing too well over here, guys, can you maybe step it up a little?"

@edwardtonkin8387 6 жыл бұрын

You have labelled Nyasaland as Mozambique, but it is in fact Malawi which your map has folded into 'Northern Rhodesia' (modern day Zambia). Are you sure you have the graphics right?

@edocsil123 6 жыл бұрын

i'm from ostend!

@oddballsok 6 жыл бұрын

i'm from westend

@ilikelampshades6 6 жыл бұрын

Imagine the logistics of feeding all of those men. Actually crazy the scale of this war

@ZER0ZER0SE7EN 2 жыл бұрын

99 year lease on Ploesti Romanian oil. That would have taken it to May 2017.

@fortis3686 6 жыл бұрын

For a who did what in WW1, can you do Charles De Gaulle?

@wattana62 6 жыл бұрын

They spoke about him in a regular episode

@DarkshadowXD63 6 жыл бұрын

I know this is a stretch but could you cover a Russian pilot named Marcel Pilat In Who Did What? He was French born who fought in the Russian air-force he piloted a Ilya Muromets bomber.

@jjeherrera 6 жыл бұрын

Concerning logistics, that's why operational research was invented during WWII and has become most important in many fields.

@adjsmith 6 жыл бұрын

Any chance of an episode touring the set? I'm curious about all the various artifacts I see every week on/around your desk...

@tf2664 6 жыл бұрын

Almost 200th episode

@donaldhill3823 6 жыл бұрын

I can remember reading that there was an assumption in Europe that the American Army had to be much bigger then it actually was at the start of WW1 for it to control so much territory. If so, then it is understandable why everyone would assume the USA would be able to deploy a trained army faster then it actually did.

@iamfiredog8866 6 жыл бұрын

have been following the show since you appeared on the alternatehistoryhub wayyy back in 2014 great show I've enjoyed it a lot. I have a question for out of the trenches. How did the Germans feel about Americans using shotguns when they went into trenches?

@positivewheat2053 6 жыл бұрын

so close to 200

@williamdesmond4289 6 жыл бұрын

Romania seems like it got screwed by the War so far, but don't worry, they'll turn out okay by November.

@davidmihnea9029 6 жыл бұрын

William Desmond 10 november romania rejoin the war...11 november war finish :)))

@williamdesmond4289 6 жыл бұрын

>Declares war on Germany Nov. 10 >War ends with German Defeat Nov. 11 >Romania [C E N S O R E D]

@gallendugall8913 6 жыл бұрын

I suspect that it might have been a better idea to treat the arriving American troops as reinforcements to be distributed to other units already in place. On the other hand both the English and French have a bad reputation for misusing such foreign reinforcements.

@GravesRWFiA 6 жыл бұрын

to be fair to the americans, indy keeps saying pershing woudn't let his troops forward, he was insisting they fight as a single ameircan army, the british and the french wanted them interspecred with their formations to make up their losses, easrlier this year british brigades had to be reduced from 4 battallions to three battalions. Pershing saw this as the europeans , having wasted their pwn people wanting to do the same to his.

@nukewarrior7991 6 жыл бұрын

The American experience prior to The Great War was the American Civil War. Although the siege of Petersburg hinted at the future of trench warfare, the western campaign was largely a war of maneuver. The American military chose to adopt that doctrine, partly because Grant and Sherman were successful in the West. Americans, lacking the experience of three years of the stalemate on the western front still carried their preconceptions with them. Learning would be expensive.

@Spencer481 6 жыл бұрын

Sinking a ship called HMS Vindictive to deny the use of a port...a little on the nose

@joeyhunter7571 6 жыл бұрын

I stopped the gym for this

@itsjustmint5211 6 жыл бұрын

Sees Adolf Hitler Me: can't wait till September 1st, 2018

@itsjustmint5211 6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Williams no there is a channel by Indy Nidell called World War 2 which is the squel to the Great War It starts on September 1st, 2018 (because, Indy couldn't wait till 2019 Meanwhile he is making a seires called Between 2 wars that talks about everything important between 1918-1939 (So, happy 79th aneversity WW2 and happy 100 aneversity WW1)

@dylanrodrigues Ай бұрын

Re: Pershing. How do you witness these four years of war and still be completely in the dark about the effect of machine guns? How do you hear about the Somme or Verdun and neglect trench training?

@Himalayastar 6 жыл бұрын

By June 1.5 million Americans were fighting at western front

@CJ87317 6 жыл бұрын

By the end of the war there were over 2 million Americans in Europe. Around two thirds saw combat - the rest were logistical. My great grandfather was one of those in the SOS.

@CJ87317 6 жыл бұрын

I was just adding more info. Nothing more.

@Himalayastar 6 жыл бұрын

Indiana Neidell please I don't want info from a fake channel ..

@johnvilliers5579 6 жыл бұрын

I can answer one of the statements Indy made as to the organisation of Logistics for the British Army at least. The supply and storage of goods and ammunition was through the Royal Army Ordnance Corps (RAOC) who had a logistics tail leading back to the UK. The Army Service Corps (ASC, which would get the Royal prefix just after the war to become the RASC) moved the goods by road and full gauge railway. Light gauge Railways run by the Royal Engineers (RE) took stores (particularly artillery shells) to the front along with the RASC. Pioneer battalions or work details from a unit in the trenches would distribute within the trenches.The RE also supplied the Signal Service which would become the Royal Signals in 1920, who did the telegraphy and telephony.Catering was done at Regimental level, with the Army Catering Corps not being formed until 1941, drawing supplies from the RAOC, carried by the ASC. The RAOC also carried out local purchase of bulk food items.The RE (Postal Section) carried out the postal duties.All of these services, bar the Royal Signals, as of 1994 became part of the Royal Logistics Corps.

@XiangYu94 3 жыл бұрын

The Vindictive was no doubt weighed down by its crew’s balls, aside from its concrete ballast.

@kendomyers 4 жыл бұрын

For the centennial of the armistice I took my AIT company to the training trenches in Fort Lee VA The Soldiers had learned to dig trenches but notice in this video they are standing...our barbed wire stakes foe example had to be hammered in by a standing Soldier, noisy and dangerous We quickly learned to prepare a trench laying down as much as possible something Union and Confederate Soldiers had accomplished at Cold Harbor II We copied the German barbed wire stakes that could be screwed into the dirt by a prone Soldier

@Tom19142 6 жыл бұрын

Could you make a videos about Korea before and during WW1?

@Tom19142 6 жыл бұрын

Steve Kaczynski I know that!!! I only want the Great War channel do a video about

@andresmartinezramos7513 6 жыл бұрын

Things are looking grim for the Cemtral Powers

@blade5896 6 жыл бұрын

They have been for a while

@mizcs 6 жыл бұрын

what are you talking about! they have just signed a great peace with romania which will ensure oil and grain! the war is all but won for the glorious central powers!

@brianjtarr 2 жыл бұрын

Blücher and Yorck were Prussian generals in the Napoleonic era.

@martinlange8372 6 жыл бұрын

Finally, the OHL is living up to the high standards set forth by Conrad von Cadorna. I'm satisfied.

@ArcticTemper 6 жыл бұрын

8:10 - You misspelt 'Rhodesia'. :)

@alexdemoya2119 6 жыл бұрын

Ludendorf kinda looks like homer simpson. “UGH...Flanderssss”

@Groundsey 6 жыл бұрын

Charles Dawes of the Dawes plan?

@BillThompson1955 6 жыл бұрын

The very same: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Dawes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan

@thomaswright5632 6 жыл бұрын

Logistical rum rations for British and Commonwealth soldiers and sailors?

@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4 6 жыл бұрын

With all this going on in the week.. I wonder if peace was still seen as a possibility for British and German. But since its history.. we know it didn't happen.

@johngalvano5895 6 жыл бұрын

France and Britain might have accepted a peace at this point although the failure of the spring offensives and the continuous arrival of American troops likely stiffened their resolve. Some German politicians thought Germany should offer terms of returning Alsace-Lorraine back to France and withdrawing from Belgium but Ludendorff refused to even countenance the thought. That was probably an offer that France and UK would have accepted at most points of the war.

@robertstuckey6407 6 жыл бұрын

It's said that amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics

@airraverstaz 6 жыл бұрын

What were the odds of a soldier surviving from 1914 until 1918 in the frontlines?

@BENDROWNED33 6 жыл бұрын

8:40 Huh, that's a nice mustache, but... never mind, maybe it's just my imagination

@dams6829 6 жыл бұрын

Wait didn`t you tell before that Paul von Lettow Vorbeck wasn`t defeated in battlefield?

@khsimagesdotcom856 6 жыл бұрын

Who can blame Pershing? A commander who refuses to use his troops as cannon fodder, but instead seeks to give them a serious fighting chance? What continent was THAT guy from??

@sergiojuanmembiela6223 6 жыл бұрын

Nitpick: at 0:45 you mention Ukraine yet you highlight Crimea, which would not be Ukrainian until 1954.

@varana 6 жыл бұрын

Afaik, it was occupied by the Ukrainian People's Republic in April 1918 until some time in autumn 1918.

@sergiojuanmembiela6223 6 жыл бұрын

+varana312 The info I found (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea_Operation_(1918), en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Regional_Government) make me think that it was Germany first and the Whites later the ones who controlled Crimea. But I will have to admit that the situation was not so clear cut as I did initially think, thank you for the info.

@varana 6 жыл бұрын

Ah, thanks - didn't catch the Crimean Regional Government. :) I understood the first event (the end of the Taurian SSR) as taking over by the Ukrainian PR (sure, with German help, but it was officially an Ukrainian military operation), and missed that the Ukrainians were basically thrown out by the Germans afterwards. So yeah, it's probably wrong to include Crimea as actually controlled by Ukraine.

@DullerCrab 6 жыл бұрын

Millions of tons of stuuuuff

@willtiffany5409 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Indy, question for Out of the Trenches. Couldn't you consider Pershing a more strategically sound General than most of the other Supreme Commanders during the War? I mean, yes, "skill with a rifle" didn't hold up much when going toe to toe with German machine guns, but he was one of the only ones who actually preferred a war of motion rather than bogging the enemy down through attrition. And even with the immense casualties wrought by the Meuse-Argonne Offensive there are countless examples of skilled American soldiers taking hundreds of German prisoners (i.e. Alan York). I guess my overall question is, how did Black Jack Pershing hold up in commanding the young American Army in combat, in a war full of veteran European militaries and commanders? Did he bring any new strategic ideas to the table? And how was he viewed among the older Command Staff such as Haig, Clemenceau (think I'm spelling that right), and Petain?

@johngalvano5895 6 жыл бұрын

Every general except maybe Petain preferred a war of motion but they all failed miserably with that approach. Pershing was definitely worse than the other generals because he made the same mistakes as other generals earlier in the war and his tactics were not suited to trench warfare. The other chiefs of staff definitely looked down at him and American troops at first like Indy said in a previous video. However, like the other generals he started to adjust his approach so he probably would have been at their level with more experience. T Clemenceau was the French Prime Minister btw, not a general. Petain was a superb defensive commander. Foch was a skilled offensive thinker and possessed an inspiring fighting spirit. Bruchmuller, Hutier, Monash of Australia, Currie of Canada, and Nivelle were innovative tacticians. Brusilov and Ludendorff (though he was losing his grip by the end) were master strategists. Lettow was a guerilla war genius. As far as worst generals I'd say Cadorna was far and away the worst general of the war. Samsonov and Rennenkampf probably had the single worst short term performance at Tannenberg.

@CJ87317 6 жыл бұрын

I think Pershing was an excellent strategist, a superb logistician, a average tactician, and a great negotiator (with his allies). Overall, I'd say he did a wonderful job given what he had to work with.