That frequently seem to be the case with very ancient records. They didn't have the concept of writing history, they wrote pure propaganda. Even humiliating defeats were recast as victories.

@@brucetucker4847 - Yeah. We see an example of that, specifically regarding ancient Egypt and their battle against the Hittites at Kadesh. The pharaoh's later propaganda portrayed it as an Egyptian victory, despite being initially surprised and overrun, but they didn't actually gain the area they had been fighting for. A peace was made but the local area was retained by Hatti afterward.

@Mari Jata Did somebody upset your bias? 🙄

@Mari Jata Even the greatest empires occasionally lose. Strong empires are resilient, they can survive the occasional defeat. Whether the Egyptians won or lost that battle, their empire had more staying power and outlasted the invaders. You see the same thing with Rome later on: Rome's strength wasn't that it never lost a battle, it was that when it did lose it was always able to recover and eventually win the war. You're acting like a fanboy, saying that Egypt was so awesome it's impossible it ever lost a battle. That's a very silly and juvenile attitude.

@Mari Jata Read the discussion above as to why people think the Egyptians may have lost the battle. And you're still taking the juvenile attitude that the bigger, stronger, better, whatever country couldn't lose a battle. Winning or losing one minor battle wasn't going to end the Egyptian Empire.

Philistine headdress/helmets do not look like Greek ones from the Bronze Age.

@@petergeorge3894 Pelasgians, Minoans, Myceneans take your pick but they were definitely from the area today we know as Ancient Greece. The cultivation of olives is also an indicator of where they originated from... Greece!

recent dna research the Pelesti were from southern greece , over 300 years they migrated changed language, "The Kargon" a very tall peoples.

@@petergeorge3894 I've met Palestinians who said "We are the ancient Philistines and we live in this land before Hebrews came here". The ancient Philistines came from Minoans, Myceneans and Cyclades cultures and they were before the Hebrews come. The Hebrews came from the Mongolian steps - thousand of years ago.

This is a fascinating theory and there is some archaeological evidence for it. I don't think it was a full migration though, based on the artwork style migration. Minoan frescoes were very elaborate and VERY expensive to paint, indeed after the Minoan's declined, the frescoes in their old territory deteriorate in quality and style. This means the people who moved were wealthy and most likely former Minoan nobility who took their artisans, scholars, and craftsman with them. Likewise, the Mycenaeans probably didn't "conquer" through arms alone. Marriage alliances, unbalanced trade agreements, reconstruction projects were also forms of soft power the Mycenaeans probably used; let's not forget that the palaces on Crete that were destroyed were rebuilt in short order, probably with Mycenaean labor and assistance...Do you think they did that all for free? The Mycenaeans were probably used as mercenary troops for the Minoans too, so we could see it as a clash of sophisticated urbanized cosmopolitans vs. hard fighting rough warriors. Indeed, after the Mycenaean takeover the Linear B tablets show a gradual but steady uptick in slave raids. The Mycenaeans transplanted their form of economic growth to Minoan-style sea logistics, vastly expanding their abilities to go after other people. Before, they probably had to get approval for raids from the Minoans who controlled the sea lanes, thus keeping them in check (hence why Mycenaean growth was rather modest for centuries until the Minoans fell). Once that check was gone, the Mycenaeans ran amok in the Mediterranean (along with other tribes like the Sardinians who wanted a piece of the action). The reliefs don't show traditional Mycenaean or Minoan warriors because they would have hired local/non-Greek forces...At best, the Minoans would have only give them ships, hence why the warriors are clearly not Greek but the ships are. I also think the destruction of the Philistines was an internal revolution, as the rulers were foreigners who probably treated the locals quite badly as time went on. They brought foreign gods, foreign ideas, and foreign rulers and did so with foreign soldiers to hold on to what little power they had left after they lost Crete. The Bible makes mention of the Philistines being particularly cruel to the Hebrews. I imagine that having your homeland destroyed by a natural disaster and conquered by a warlord culture would have a profound effect on the culture and psyche of those left behind. They probably felt the gods had abandoned them. If the human sacrifice evidence on Crete is any suggestion, they were desperate and probably willing to commit to some pretty atrocious behavior. The Greek legends also talk about the old kings committing quite horrible acts (cannibalism, human sacrifice, disrespecting the gods) to explain why the old kingdoms fell and the new (Mycenaean) heroes came to the forefront. The traditions hint at the truth but without being able to read Linear A, we will never really have a solid answer as to what happened.

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And you just blindly believe all this bullshit !!!!😂😂😂

Οι, κάτοικοι της, βόρειας Αφρικής είναι απο, τα νησιά,της, Μεσογείου σήμερα, όμως είναι μουσλιμ και Άραβες το, ίδιο και,οι, Φιλισταίοι

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No offense...but your English is terrible.

They came from India

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@@power3545 Hey Pal, Did you just blow in from Stupid Town?

yup, they were probably mycenean

Greeks interacted many cultures. Doesn’t mean anything

@@momoffour5885 tru

@@momoffour5885 they have 50% Greek dna. Ancient Greece went on a conquest with Alexander the Great. The people in the area of Israel, the Philistines and the Canaanites, were a mix of Greeks, Egyptians and Iranians.

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True! History, archeological facts, and DNA test trace back philistinians/Palestinians from the Mycenaean and Aegean descent.

​@@rc1983modern palistinians have no genetic relations with the origional biblical philistines.

You are right philistines are sea people of Aegean and Mycenean origin who travelled to the middle east.

@@ironandzinc do you know what dna they have today?

​@@keithallen5795 arab.

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Then where is troy?

@@nickname2180 in the location where Schliemann found it,150 years ago.

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You know that the "sea people" are really the gentiles right.

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WHERE do people have exams about the Nuragic civilization your school/college is awesome

Which school teaches about the Nuragic civilization? I’m from America and I didn’t learn about the Nuragic people until they were featured on an episode of Forbidden History.

@@mirandagoldstine8548 They teach it in India. It is in one of our World History Chapters

@@eliad6543 Thank You! They teach it in India. I cannot speak for all Indian Schools, only my own.

The Bible says the Philistines emigrated from the Island of Crete and also says they were a race of blonde people. The Philistines have nothing to do with the Palestinians of today. The Philistines were ransacked and oblitarated by Nebuchanezar.

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I think you've just solved history.

You forgot the union of Pibuls and BahmBahm. The Jetsons might have possible ancestry from them.

what a dumb comment.

Hilarious man

Why not Palestine?

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Most of them Espc the higher ups had connections with demons very evil

Demon Bael

@@BabyZann I've read a few articles that said they sacrificed babies to Baal, but was it heresay, I don't know?

​@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG it seems until now they still sacrifice babies they are demon possesed that the God of israel gave them over to the jews to root them out but then until now they're still doing the pagan rituals of killing babies...what do you think?

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AFRICANS MORE LIKELY... REGARDLESS OF THEIR "TERMS"

@John Doe ≈> HOLLYWOOD

@@judaprinxbeatz.8008 that’s literally the farthest from what the were. Berbers? They had no sea culture at the time.

​@@bryanmccoy6527cretans "caphtor" were cousins of the canaanites

@@Mr.ZooYYa Okay that has little to do with what I said. I was replying to someone saying they were Africans. Canaanites we’re semites not Sub-Saharan Africans.

Whether ironworking is an imported technology or not, the word "barzel" sounds Hebrew, at least superficially ( "[thing] that has the property of [whatever "zel" means]"). Also there's no other language with a word for iron that's similar to it (that I know of anyway). In fact, most languages seem to have their own unique words for it; eizen, ferrum, iron, zhelezo, hadid, tjomjor...not much similarity between them.

There's no proof for David or your so called one true God

It sounds plausible, even though i have to say - if the Philistines had great ironworking, they must've developed it already in Canaan. If they had any of it during the Battle of the Nile or earlier, it wouldn't have made sense. Even the strongest empires back then were still using bronze, iron would take a while to start being used on a large enough scale to support an army, not to mention that if any of the Sea People had iron weapons, the Egyptians definitely wouldn't have survived the battle of the Delta.. so what i'm saying is, Philistine ironworking, if it existed, wasn't "imported" but rather developed in Philistia by them. Also, I'd love to hear your reasoning for the word "barzel" not sounding Hebrew.

​@@Texasmade74 yea there is. Israel.

​@@eliad6543iron of that's time were not really much better than bronzed

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Correct

Who would win Literal Achaean Homeric Archetype Some shephard boi

More like Idumeans

@@ThomasMCGaming He only won because of God.

@@karenbartlett1307 hey Karen, shows that a mere person should not argue with G-d. 🕎🌍🌏🌎✝️

@@dawvidben-huir8101 That's right.

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The "Danuna" mentioned are also likely mainland Greek tribes. I recall some mention of them, and other terms like Danaan, being mentioned by Hittites and some in Asia Minor from the period. There has also been evidence found of ancient Sardinians wearing the same kind of helms with curved horns on their own island, as depicted in parts of the Egyptian art which some were wearing. They're believed to likely be the "Shekelesh" referred to.

There seems to have been a Pelasgian region in eastern Crete that wasn't taken over by the Myceneans.

@@NefariousKoel I think you are confusing shekelesh and shardana. Sheklesh are theorized to come from Siciliy but i think it is only based on name similiarity.

@Anthony Tsatsis They were African/Canaanites. Canaan was a Son of Ham, whom is the Forefather of Africans including Egyptians

One word: Achaeans. Goliath is literally a Homeric archetype.

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Hey, I know I'm not Cy, but just came across something in the expedition reports from Ashkelon. According to Lawrence Stager, who directed the excavations at Ashkelon for years, the Philistines never returned from exile. When Ashkelon was resettled, it was actually Phoenician colonists, not ethnic Philistines. As far as the distinct identity, good question! As a christian, I want to say that their faith in God helped them stay distinct, but there were probably a lot of other factors too. The Philistines had already been incorporating other cultures for awhile, so maybe they were just more open to change?

@@bensweeney7855 Thanks Ben - I think we agree, I surmise that a monotheistic religion separates you in that time and region, the Philistines probably found more common ground with the Mesopotamian pantheon of gods and did not see a stark contradiction to their own beliefs

Bruh, there weren't sattelites and most of the people didn't travel, also there is symbolism to be put in count. The scribes weren't thinking about contemporary historians wanting to know every detail about it.

@@Tabuleiro. , i agree about symbolism and giving vague idea about origins of the foes ; however Egyptians were better to itineraries than you think : the one example i get in mind is the itinerary engraved on a statue of Amenophis 3rd about travels from Egypt to crete and peloponese and coming back via crete again (watch the lecture of Eric Cline about bronze age collaps for more details about this text ) so they had good knowledges about seafaring travels.

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Other Canaanites in the same area ate pork though. the presence or absence of pig bones is the easiest way to distinguish very early Hebrew sites from contemporaneous Canaanite sites.

Palestinians don't eat pork too😂😁😁

@@maqwaybaran9905 And that's when you realise that philistine ≠ palestinian. The roman provinces Syria and Judaea were merged and renamed *"Syria Palaestina"* in 135 AD, after the Bar Kokhba revolt. This name stuck all the way through the Ottoman period. So in other words, the jews in the area were "palestinians", just as the muslims and christians (and samaritans and others). The modern use of the word "palestinian" as a non-jew only emerged after Israel was created in 1948.

@@maqwaybaran9905 I'm talking about Iron Age Canaanites, not modern Palestinians.

@Kamil Taibi at least he isn't fooled by western propaganda...

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Pirates usually hit and run! I see them as refugees from the islands.

They cannot be Greeks from Crete as I have done an ancient DNA test I'm showing up as DNA from isralite graves from 980bc about king David solamons time and only 3 percent philastine most of my DNA from tombs with some DNA from cannanites as well but very little philastine DNA I'm from Greek Cyprus a lot of our DNA is lost tribe of Israel to modern judha and Jews of today with menoans as for back as 4500 bc

@@gostandinostheodossiou6727 You must be of Cananite origin, are you J1 or E1b1b1

Ok, but the Greeks were known to be pirates, weren't they ? Perhaps a famine or something caused these experienced pirates to join forces with others and lead the way across the Mediteranean to gain land or something? Could be my imagination inventing a story, of course.

Just to add to that. In many confrontations with Israel, the Philistines are described as the superior force with large cities and temples. By the reign of Saul, the philistines had established garrisons in Israelite territory preventing the nation from making their own weapons in forges and forcing them to rely on the Philistine smiths to sharpen their metal agricultural tools. So in truth, archeaology is once again confirming the biblical account of the coastal nation of the philistines being a quite modern nation for the time, polytheistic, and many times, an enemy of Israel.

Rome was actually conquered, as the whole world by Hellenes (Greeks) my good friend.If you decide to answer to what l'm writing,please just use your own language and not a Hellenic (Greek) word 😉😂😂😂

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They were most likely a mix of Mycenean and Pelasgian people. He'll, even Peleset seems to be a cognate with Pelasgoi

Yes i am polynesian n i kept looking at their headdress which is made from feathers. It says they are Sea People. Polynesians are labelled as. Sea People. Their advanced navigation skills. Also look at the headdress again and the mayans, the Aztecs..The Taiwanese where they said the Polynesia originated from.. history is a mystery.. someone wrote a paper about minoans and Samoans . There was a lot of movements of people. No one knew about the Pacific Ocean then. Fascinating to read about the philistines.

Regnant?

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Yea seems you've been fed a lot of propaganda

This an ignorant paraetymology

Ezzo Von achalm this is ignorant name calling 😛

😂😂😂 what a stupid comment!!

If every one wants to make his own explanation and base his information about how he likes and bible .... ( which historically not viable ) is very big problem !! This is not a scientific way !! Etymology could have millions of interpretations....

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pleshet to be exact, from the hebrew word shphela ,which mean "low land"or "of the shore "..where they were located,,

Polynesians use flax

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The Bible is NOT a good history book, leave it out

@@herooja who said it was? it was a mildly interesting set of facts

@@herooja Yet it tells a lot of history that only revelead itself many centuries later

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That place is full of stolen artifacts and should not be praised. These items should be returned and there is nothing British about this museum full of non British artifacts

@@Abdullah_the_Palestinian Looted artifacts you mean.

@Aleks Klev are African Americans Anglo saxons just becuase they speak English only ?

@@Heshem_Joel bad Europe ve no godly history

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It is confusing so don’t feel bad. I had a similar issue with Assyria, Babylon and the various -mite civilizations. From what I know both the Philistines and the Phoenicians were thought to be descendants of the Sea Peoples. However, not the same group in the same area. The Philistines settled in Palestine, the Phoenicians in the Levant. The Carthaginian are descendants of the Phoenicians. Someone can maybe provide more info or corrections.

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Based on the material culture left behind by the Philistines, they had more in common with the Mycenaeans and Minoans of pre-classical Greece then the Canaanites or Phoenicians who were native to the Levant. Examples of Philistine culture include pottery and architecture that are similar to early Greeks. The Philistines did adopt some parts of Near Eastern culture such as the worship of the Mesopotamian fertility god Dagon and working as mercenaries for the Egyptians.

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The Phoenicians show a lot of cultural continuity with the northern Levantine Canaanites of the late bronze age like Ugarit. The most likely case is that they were the same people who lived there before the bronze age collapse.

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And their god is Semitic Poseidon at 8:35.

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Because that piece of land owned by the Original Plishtim, all the Judea and Samaria was called so by the Romans. Most of local citizens are Ottoman, and most of them arrived at the Mid of the 19th Century and after at the same time when the Jews started also to arrive back to their homeland.

@Joakim von Anka Phoenicians are the ancestors of Carthaginians. Same people that made settlements on the Iberian Peninsula. So, it would make sense logically concerning the results.

@Joakim von Anka actually the dna shows the philistines to be of Mediterranean descent and more than likely greek to some degree

@Joakim von Anka dude we know they came from Cypriot this isn't something I'm making up

@Joakim von Anka dude we know they're Greek now sit down or check out the scientific sources I posted on their dna

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Crete was also invaded a few years before the battle of Ramses and Sea People. Possible by other Aegeans.

@troy stevens because they wrote it as so in their origin story? Grow up

@@benjammin9471 he is a troll

@troy stevens Being a Semite simply means one is descent from Shem. Which means Many nations came out of Shem including Wight People, Arabs, East Indians African Americans etc.

@@museyamwa How are African Americans descended from Shem?

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