hahaha so true!

Then again, the Taylor Swift part (unlike anything else in this video afaik) was just a reference that didn't add anything to the narrative.

Kierkegaard and Kanye**

Søren is also my Name

DanskerneFraDanmark er du dansker/ r u Danish?

Hahahaha

Murica

'Public' censorship believes that swearing and nudity will do more harm to a person's psyche than depictions of brutality, whether or not this is true (and I would personally argue that this notion is a fucking joke) the channel has to follow these guidelines in order to remain effective in its ability to reach the most people that it can (which should be more than it does, this channel is brilliant in both content and delivery across the board)

Gregory Smith I think we all agree on that, it’s just KZfaq’s dumb guidelines that forces wisecrack to censor swears. It’s not a personal gripe against strong language.

America! Where films with 20 gun deaths are rated PG-13 and romantic comedies with swears and sex scenes are rated R!

That was a trap from Mark Hoffman (jigsaw apprentice) not John Kramer So the game was manipulated

Yeah that was even before Hoffman was an apprentice to John. Good one tho

Many of the traps designed by Hoffman and Amanda were rigged as a sign of revenge more then a lesson.

@@nairobi8056 which ones did amanda design

@@kurtispittman2103 I believe she did the first one you ever see in the series

Mr Poool you should watch helix then

Ramon Martensen True...he hates what the world did to him so he takes it out on others to kill his own pain.

Yes. And I think that's why Kierkegard's philosophy of suffering and growth is flawed or at least has a loophole. Let's take a look at a micro setting of human existence, the romantic relationship. I know plenty of people who have many failed relationships and afterwards they always complain that their partner was uncaring, unreachable or whatever. So instead of taking the opportunity to see what's their role in the tragic ending and grow from the realization, they rather rest in the idea that they are victims of bad partners. In the context of this movie we could say that Jigsaw his victims have a legit reason to think like that.

Yes Ramon, it does remind me so much of Exodus of how Pharaoh's Heart was hardened after every plague. Even though it was hardened, he still had a choice to make. He could've chose to overcome it and do what was best for his people and let the Hebrews go, or continue to test God and cause another worse plague. He constantly chose the later until it was too late.

Kierkegard's philosophy is already being shown to be utterly false as the development of better neuroimaging technology allows us to assess the true psychological cost of suffering. Beyond a very set amount of resistance, human beings' brains are affected by abuse and suffering. Just this past year, researchers got a look at the brains of children who were corrected using physical punishments. They had shorter memory span, poorer impulse control, and worse life outcomes than those who's parents took a more authoritative than authoritarian approach to discipline. That's a pretty huge loophole.

Ramon, what you are basically saying is that we are, or at least should think that we are, the ones responsible for what happens to us. In my opinion, that is not only a very unforgiving and self-righteous point of view that almost seems like an extreme version of victim-blaming, it is also simply not true. First of all, it implies that everyone can control everything completely, which obviously is contradictory. Second, there is plenty of statistical evidence that our actions are at least heavily influenced, if not completely controlled, by circumstances. Our decisions do not just come from within ourselves, they are based on our experiences. Third, at the moment it seems very likely that we don't have a free will at all. Accepting that our world is solely defined by natural laws means accepting that these laws also apply to the human body, which means that everything is predetermined and there is no alternative cause of events where we make a different decision. Sorry, but the ones who are self-victimizing got it completely right. It's the ones who are saying we should pretend that we are in complete control of our situation and should see the bad things happening to us as a kind of carmic retribution who are wrong. That is just slave moral if you don't enjoy your situation and sanctimonious if you do. Please don't pretend there is some kind of "divine justice"-substitute. God is already dead. ;)

PupoFlas Lol I thought the same thing

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I dislike the fact that I can see that.

I agree!George Lucas must feel the same!

Yeah. Their creative brilliance was a total accident. Makes sense.

@@jeremyendter6428,why?

exactly why it annoys me when people call the franchise “mindless torture porn.” there’s such an interesting philosophy behind all of the tests

LuckyRobson Hey, an SCP, SCP 173.

The saw films are okay. The first one is really good (not just for the torture porn) for the twists and what not.

Same here, I'll probably never watch one fully

Then you are missing out. Unless you can't handle gore, in that case you better stay away

The first three are pretty good, and the sixth one is really fun to watch. The rest are alright, but none of them are too bad. The violence the series is infamous for doesn't really fully kick in until the end of third film.

First one really isn't that bad. If you can weather Se7en you will survive Saw.

All physical pain is suffering, not all suffering is physical pain.

Germán Saucedo yup, how is someone supposed to live a good life after replacing a body part with an infection

Germán Saucedo Precisely. If he forced these people to watch their loved ones in these painful, horrifying situations it'd be more effective. If he gave them the chance to sacrifice themselves rather than watch their loved ones die it'd be 1000x more horrifying.

I don't think empathy is required for Kierkegaard's suffering. I think its more about truly experiencing suffering and recognizing just what it means in the first place, since sometimes the description alone just won't come close to experiencing it.

If they feel it, this might lead them to a realization that will change their mindset. Not all the people even have such loved ones, so having them watch others suffer will barely have any effect (especially if they are the kind of heartless person that was put to the test by Jigsaw for that reason in the first place.) At the very least, they might appreciate _their_ life more. Rethinking their actions and appreciating other people's lifes will still require empathy, though.

RaYmOnDrOiD Good job.

More like the Phil-Saw-Fee(Get it? Because Phil gets Sawed and the writers get money?) I’ll walk away now...

They got a video now

No, don’t leave lol

Do You think You can walk away untested ?

That's both a true response to the philosophy and a beautiful one.

Hey, I can relate sort of thought to that considering some parts of my life - except with me it's more of a "This sucks. Why in general (God existing or not)?"

S- CC here we go, THERE IS A GOD, THERE IS NO GOD just shut up and watch the video!

Deja Robinson "God

Deja Robinson XD

The scriptures of Romans was made for and by the early church, so it's not a surprise that in their days of painful persecution, people would say that pain would bring hope. However, Hope is technically the only way to emotionally cope with suffering, which brings the question, what other purpose does Hope have besides suffering? It seems all hope ever do is cope with pain without giving answers. Without suffering, there would be no reason to hope in the first place. Why hope when you're always happy and pain free? It seems that hope does nothing else but makes you not wanna die because of suffering.

is it? saw was a very philosophical movie. 2 and 3 were still pretty ok. anything afterwords was diluted to movie trash

Matty80822 Absolutely agree.

was hyped as fuck for this.

Every great story has a philosophy behind And a great story is something that stays in people head after they watched, read or listened to it

The more likely reason is they are making a new movie

Ya he's says your instincts will tell you do one but he warns them to do the opposite

The only game he didn't make winnable was the pendulum trap.

@@PhantomBones101 He wasn't a Jigsaw apprentice at that time. It was the pendulum trap that caught Jigsaw's attention.

Pretty sure Hoffman made the games exactly like Kramer wanted, meaning he hardly had any influence on them.

Tenacious Buns , some of us call that 'intelligence'

And most of us call both lines of thinking pretentious

@Alex Meggoe Lol your an idiot, Saint Nick was an actual person

​@Alex Meggoe Real funny, if you were smart you'd have known the real man died a long time ago. Nice try at sarcasm; though I'm a little too old for presents on Christmas.

​@Alex Meggoe Of course. But you misunderstand what I'm saying; Saint Nick was a real man we can trace back to the ancient Greek city of Myra where he was a Bishop. Though we don't have evidence to prove he was generous, the dude is more of an idea nowadays that pushes people to be more generous and to give thanks for what you have. And who are you to say that what you have no knowledge of, you can dictate weather it's real or not? Truth is you can't meaning all the people who are like "God is fake" or that "it's just a story we tell our children to make them behave" are ignorant for thinking they are all knowing.

diego I dont know about that. Plenty of people get away with pure dujmb luck and endure minimal suffering throughout theit lives.

That's the point of the movies. Just this time it isn't some crazy religious killer but just some crazy killer.

Screaming PHOENIX but then they also enjoy, or cherish less of their lives...

Yup. Those people that survive the game are just going to continue asking 'why would someone choose for me to endure this kind of pain?'. Jigsaw isn't as intelligent as he thought. Not everybody thinks like you broski. Some people are broken by heavy levels of pain, not "reborn".

diego Ask any abused child what they ever did to deserve their suffering back before they had choices. Some of the answers you'll get should put paid to the whole idea of Jigsaw's mission in life.

me too

Kalle Noble a

Àmen

How should i appreciate live, is there any measurement tool?

"Yeah but don't torture people and kill innocent you sick old fuck" - Me

Until a person is faced with death. It's impossible to tell whether they have what it takes to survive

you are locked in a room with a jenga set and have to play it to the end without losing any blocks. If one block falls on the floor it triggers the room's sensors and it collapses into itself on you as if it was made of jenga bricks.

Got that from annoying orange

never seen annoying orange really. It was never funny when it was popular, and it's dead now.

12171010011010 well or how about fucked up game of kerplunk in which instead of marbles it's rocks

Stfu

How?

Erdood All they care about is money, not terminals like John?

Erwood John had cancer but they wouldn’t treat him because he couldn’t afford it.

John's tumor was inoperable due to being highly risky to remove , Jill's miscarriage was caused by a mixed of an accident due to a junkie(someone who is someone abuses health care) .

Diablito el Demonio. No.

Alex Meggoe btw the “apple” was good ol sex

@@ludexgundyr186 The Apple is the knowledge of the difference between good and evil. It's literally called "the fruit of Knowledge." Adam and Eve were together under God (a.k.a. married) and could've had all the sex they wanted. "God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:5

Adam chose his Wife over God, and not much has changed.

He was tempted. It's not like he didn't know it was forbidden. He could have easily said no.

@@timothywilliamson3152, why would you choose God over a woman if you're straight?

I'd say that only truly happened after they killed Jigsaw in the 3rd movie.

You mean Code Gayass?

Soo much soup!

TheLPRnetwork WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HOPE AT THE SOUP STORE

Code Geass has a philosophy? Lol.

Well go in to the next aisle!

Only 1 of those people in the traps you mentioned survives through all the movies and that's the one that cut his foot off in the leg saw you mentioned, hell he even ends one of the characters himself

Yea the first 4 were The best

You sound mgtow Mwhat your saying is females have little motivation to become moral because they are privileged to reject males their entire lives so only get forced to reflect once males no longer pursue them In saw 2 they can all learn

omalone11 bruh what

Well considering that all of Jigsaw’s victims either: A. Die B. Need therapy (Saw:3D) C. Go crazy (I.e. Amanda and Dr. Gordon) I think it’s safe to say Jigsaw’s work hasn’t helped anyone.

Zoe Goodall that was justice not revenge.

Sir Edgelord_101 it was revenge, cause who is jigsaw to take another life? That's the whole point of why jigsaw and his ideology was a failure. Who was he and his disciples to commit these crimes? Who are they to say they see the light when they bath in darkness.

Ozzie Edwards exactly

Ozzie Edwards He's an hypocrite. He said it was so he could become a better person but he really just wanted revenge. People like that come up with ways to justify themselves and this whole shitty belief of "redemption through pain" is his. He even refuses to acept he killed anyone just because they had the chance not to die.

Zoe Goodall well to be fair Jeff’s game wasn’t really that difficult. He never really got hurt himself. He had to save other people from jigsaws game

seyithan ars that teacher? Albert Einstein.

cgarrand08 nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

our chief weapon is surprise

nice.

Actually to wisecrack is to make a smartass joke. close though

There was syringe for everyone. There were 8 players Daniel Amanda Xavier Obi Jonas The prostitute The fat guy The other girl The syringes were around the house but since the fat guy died too early, his syringe was never seen. 1 The room had another one inside a box. 2 The one in the blade box. 3 Obi’s trap had 2. 5 Xavier’s trap. 6 We can assume the other 2 were never seen since the owners of those were dead before getting to see them. Sorry for the late response

@@alt-rightbronie4512 *fat guy* LMAO

I do think so. We don’t see all the tests though. However before I go into the main thing, there is one flaw in that whole trap in my opinion, and that is the inclusion of Laura (The blonde girl). She doesn’t seem like someone who should be there. She’s young, seemingly law abiding and easily frightened. So, here’s how all 8 of them could’ve survived: -No one looks or stands in front of the peephole while they’re turning the key, or better yet, they don’t use the key at all like the note said. -They analyze the rainbow clue, figure out the answer and get the first antidote from the safe. 1 is saved (Likely Daniel considering how he’s just a kid), 7 more to go. -Obi turns the valve to shut off the fire. 2 people are safe (Obi and someone of his choosing, I’m putting my money on Laura), 5 more to go. -Xavier jumps in the needle pit and gets the key. The door is opened and he gets the antidote. Xavier is saved, 4 more to go. -Gus (The guy who was killed first) finds his test (The razor box). He notices that it’s already unlocked, and get the antidote. Gus is safe, 3 more to go. -Addison finds her test (A waffle iron which she needs to press her face into to get the antidote) just bites her teeth and ”sacrifices her looks to save her life.” 1 more is saved, 2 more to go. -Jonas finds his test, whatever that might be, and solves it. He’s safe, and there is only Amanda left. -Amanda was likely safe from the gas all along, but in this event she probably had some sort of secret backup needle which she could just ”find” or pass an easy ”test” in order to get it just to avoid suspicion. So that was the minimum amount of antidotes, but I’m gonna say there was at least 1 more. Which is in Laura’s test. Daniel probably had a test as well, so that makes the amount of antidotes inside the house, a solid 10. Just in case a few are lost.

The Spruce Campbells where can I get this?

Spencer Whiteway The first 2 movies were actually well done

Personally I can't blame the original creators for taking the money and running with it x33 Seems like they made the movie they wanted to with the first and then got paid ass loads to just make any contrived nonsense to justify the torture porn that people keep coming and paying for.

PhyreI3ird im pretty sure the original screenwriters and people like that left after 3, which is where they wanted to end the franchise-with Johns death. But people wanted more films, so they brought in a mostly new crew to make more films

Katelyn Steffens not true, directors of saw 4-7 had previously worked on the series

Leo B I misread the thing I read that said that the other people left. However, I do know that Leigh whannel originally planned for saw 3 to be the end of the franchise and it was the last one he wrote before going to being a producer for the films.

Most churches use suffering and torture? What churches are you going to?

Pentecostal probably LMAO

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Porn and now I want to watch it

Porney

Erin Anderson Same here

they all dropped off after the first 3

TotallyGeneric dammit, you beat me to it! 😂😂

mister thirteen it's a fairy tale 😑😑😑😑

Tyko Brian I know I was just saying..if you gonna tell a story then tell it right hahahaha

Assuming it was an apple, and a fairytale... Assuming it is, that doesn't mean we should turn off our brains and not get the facts correct.

Dat Boiii if your the Christian faith I guess so hahaha

Dat Boiii I thought the lesson was don't listen to talking snakes.

I will get the door for you

StannyBWrath my all time favorite movie ever

If you look, you can find a lot of videos examining the philosophy of this movie. I still wouldn't mind Wisecrack doing it though.

YEEEEESSS!!! This needs to happen 😍😍

eve ate the apple not adam plz do more research

He's the villain... of course his philosophy is skewed. Usually the villains are fucked up even if their intentions are "good".

Um... if a movie's villain had a perfect philosophy, he wouldn't be ther villain...

LordTails66 i meant skewed in the sense of having his victims learn a lesson. However twisted it is that was his intention. His underlings are killing for revenge and just to cause harm. That's not his intention. That's why I said its skewed.

River no one said it had to be perfect... his underlings took his philosophy the wrong way and kill just to kill, not to teach them a lesson. Hence why I said HIS PHILOSOPHY got skewed...smh

+Javon Dallas: They took something bad and made it worse, honestly.

That's why the Philosophy is flawed exactly.

It makes some people stronger. It really does.

snap!! I love that movie

Jim Bananoid geez ain’t that the truth

Drive movie is awesome

That One Guy AND BERSERK DUDES!

DO IT!!!

yesss

Yes! It hits you over the head pretty bluntly with its central themes but it would still be a really interesting subject

Yaaaaad

Might be a bit more constructive than church in as much as this sermon is multi layered