The Plains by Gerald Murnane

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@absurdistoxymoron
@absurdistoxymoron 6 ай бұрын
Great discussion. I was the person who asked whether you were familiar with Murnane in the Q and A, so it's awesome to see him covered on the channel. For me, The Plains is one of those books that really captures the universe within its pages. My rough summary of my thoughts on the themes (aside from the intersections between landscape and mindscape) is that it's about the delight and danger in indulging in perception (we all need to attempt to explore and reach an interior landscape like the plains, but we can also fall into a pit of aimless wandering). That's why I think it's such a universal novel: what else is more universal than perception itself? There's also a great dialogue and satire on the role of art in accessing reality throughout and how this can be disrupted by the ridiculous patronage system many artists must engage with.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Right on! Glad it worked out such that I got this video out not too long after the QnA. All of your points here chime with me exactly.
@rjd53
@rjd53 6 ай бұрын
I read Murnane's "The Plains" after I had watched Travel Through Stories' review of it here on youtube. It has become one of my favourite novels. It's the kind of writing exactly on my mental wavelength. Next I plan to read his "Inland" but have to wait until next February, when the new edition of it will be published by And Other Stories.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I, too, have preordered Inland! 🙌
@Steve-lt1op
@Steve-lt1op 4 ай бұрын
I'm a bit late to this video but would like to make a recommendation, When I dance mountains sing by Irene Sola. It opens with a passage from independent people and follows with a first chapter from the perspective of a storm cloud....
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 4 ай бұрын
_Independent People_ as in the book by Halldór Laxness? Sign me up! Thanks for the rec!
@jdfromparis6230
@jdfromparis6230 6 ай бұрын
Like I guess a lot of people, I had never heard of Gerald Murnane. Thank you for putting him on the map for me (and many others). So many of your videos are treasure trove of rarely discussed subjects and authors.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
My pleasure, mon ami !
@StelViri
@StelViri 6 ай бұрын
Gerald Murnane is fantastic! Thanks for talking of him, love his writing. Cheers from Canada (and love your channel)
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
High five! 🖐️
@gabrielseanwallace3979
@gabrielseanwallace3979 6 ай бұрын
When I check my KZfaq notifications each day it's almost as if I'm peering into the library window to see who's on shift, and whenever I see behind the desk my favorite part-time librarian, Leaf by Leaf, I always pop in, because I know he has the wizardry to shake up my reading list in just the way I need it shaken.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I gladly accept this title of part-time librarian! This is very kind of you. I feel so grateful here on this Thanksgiving Day. All best to you!
@commonmeasure
@commonmeasure Ай бұрын
wow, will order. thanks!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 5 күн бұрын
My pleasure!
@moss.neobisid
@moss.neobisid 6 ай бұрын
Stream System rules, will check out this one.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Just bought a copy of Stream System!
@leafyconcern
@leafyconcern 6 ай бұрын
Agree. More Murnane content needed. More Murnane reading sorely needed.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I just ordered Stream System and I’m currently reading a monograph on Murnane by Emmett Stinson. Very good!
@reef6826
@reef6826 6 ай бұрын
One day we are going to need a book from you, about books, and the reading life.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
It’s definitely an idea that’s been churning in my head. The main thing is just thinking about how to say something that hasn’t been said better. Thanks for the vote of confidence though!
@TaylorEarlWest
@TaylorEarlWest 5 ай бұрын
Been meaning to read it forever >>"
@TractorCountdown
@TractorCountdown 6 ай бұрын
A couple of things popped into my head regarding the final paragraph you read out. One was the phrase 'shooting in the dark' as a metaphor of any artist's endeavour, and something which I find, as an actor, musician, and writer, to be both daunting (can I convey what I want successfully) and thrilling (an adventure into the unknown). The other was the revealing what's behind the curtain (as in The Wizard of Oz), ie. that we may find that each of us, purely at the visual level from how our brains interpret light waves, see pretty much the same thing, with the real difference being how we respond to those images intellectually and emotionally to give them meaning, and it's being able to convey that to others that is the artist's task. I haven't read the book but am very much looking forward to, and thank for alerting us to this author.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Just from your comment I can tell you’ll like this author. 😁
@TractorCountdown
@TractorCountdown 6 ай бұрын
@@LeafbyLeaf I picked up a copy in my local bookshop yesterday so we'll soon find out, once I've finished reading Gravity's Rainbow :)
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
@TractorCountdown nice! I’m reading Against the Day right now 🙌
@TractorCountdown
@TractorCountdown 6 ай бұрын
@@LeafbyLeaf Excellent! Another one on my list :)
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
@TractorCountdown 🙌
@astro368
@astro368 5 ай бұрын
I’ve been thinking for such a long time that I need to study the literature from my home country. So happy to find this writer not only from my home country but also from my home state, thanks to your recommendation. Cheers Chris!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 5 ай бұрын
What lovely literary serendipity!
@bjwnashe5589
@bjwnashe5589 4 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. Just started reading his collected short fiction, "Stream System." A fascinating writer. So wonderful to discover him.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 4 ай бұрын
I’ve started reading his short fiction, too! May need to make another video!
@sonybluraydisk
@sonybluraydisk 6 ай бұрын
The description of Murnanes writing "routine" (on typewriter) reminds me of Wendell Berry, whom I can greatly recommend. I'm eager to read some of Murnanes works now, thank you for yet another great video, Chris. Greetings from Austria!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Hello to Austria! I love Wendell Berry, though I have to be careful reading his essays because it makes me want to throw my devices into the ocean, buy a farm, and try to live off the grid.
@sonybluraydisk
@sonybluraydisk 6 ай бұрын
@@LeafbyLeaf Same here, though that actually sounds compelling to me.
@jdfromparis6230
@jdfromparis6230 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for another excellent video!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
🫡
@akeeperofsheep
@akeeperofsheep 6 ай бұрын
Wow! Just read The Plains last week! Glad to see this incredible review of a wonderfully mysterious author.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Right on! 🙌
@dylanreads652
@dylanreads652 6 ай бұрын
Another fantastic video! What a delight to see this new review from you today. I was blown away reading this. Thank god that PaperBird put this one on my radar, and so happy to get your invaluable insight and analysis on this beautiful book. Speaking of PaperBird, you know what would be incredible? If you two collabed now and again. Imagine his editing overlaid on your breakdown/analysis. Or, like your discussion with BetterThanFood, just the two of you delving into the literary landscape together. I hope you and your family have a splendid Thanksgiving! Keep up the great work!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Paperbird’s taste in literature and video-editing skills are, indeed, impeccable! I need to get in touch with him again. All best to you and yours, too!
@TK-kf8zc
@TK-kf8zc 5 ай бұрын
I loved this book. Ready to reread it. And other of his works.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 5 ай бұрын
🙌
@ADGO
@ADGO 6 ай бұрын
I'm going to read this. Thanks!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@sventhemoose1218
@sventhemoose1218 6 ай бұрын
When I see you so excited about a writer, I know it's got to be good. Always worked before... so I order The Plains. Thanks for the recommendations, i hate to say, I did not hear about Murnane before.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I hope not to betray your trust! But I think you’ll find this a worthy recommendation. I’m told his short fiction is even better, so I ordered Stream Systems straightaway!
@brianclary8205
@brianclary8205 6 ай бұрын
Where priests are trained: seminary. I know them well. The Times Magazine article was my introduction to Murnane. Fine choice!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I had so many words go through my head in that moment and none of them seemed right! Clergy, order, papacy…haha!
@Tristramwilliams
@Tristramwilliams 6 ай бұрын
A friend of mine is a friend of Murnane’s. They have had a years long written correspondence (old fashioned post of course) where they discuss the precision of the geography of Melbourne and Victoria described in his novels. Murnane is undoubtedly a genius. Would love to see a video on his Landscape with Landscape.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I’ve heard his short fiction is even better, which led me to purchase Stream Systems, which arrives today! 🙌
@alphonseelric5722
@alphonseelric5722 6 ай бұрын
​@@LeafbyLeaf hard to top The Plains and Inland. But his best short fiction is on that level. You will also see a great deal of range that he is capable of despite being himself. 'When the mice failed to arrive' will remind you of Sebald except 2 years before Sebald's first work. 'Stone Quarry' and 'landscape with freckled women' will knock your socks off, I am certain. Murnane believes his short story "Battle of acosta nu" is as dense as The Plains. I am currently reading through it and I might have to agree.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait!
@WORD_VIRUS
@WORD_VIRUS 6 ай бұрын
Hey Chris, hope all is well! Thanks for the recommendation. I just read his essay on long sentences, though truth be told I found it near laughably off-putting... His grammatical analysis is in fact fraught with errors, while the whole thing seems to have stemmed from a total incomprehension of Pynchon simply using a comma in place of a period (a technique I’m pretty sure he nicked from Kerouac) paired with a bizarre conviction that there is pretty much just no good reason for EVER deviating from conventional grammatical construction in fiction-which is, of course, utter insanity. Meanwhile I found all of his own sentences he gave as examples to be clunky, uninteresting, and arrhythmic as all hell. I guess they don’t call him ‘eccentric’ for nothing… But it’s always interesting to see how (and where) people draw their own personal lines of preference in distinguishing eccentricity from plain imbecility (such as how Murnane, rather imbecilely if you ask me, judges Pynchon’s use of the comma to be itself more imbecilic than eccentric)... That being said-I think I just needed somewhere to unload my frustration and confusion after reading his essay: so thank you, and, more so, my apologies!-your video has definitely made me want to give The Plains a try! The subject matter sounds like it would be right up my alley. And, all said and done, I love a good eccentric, being a bit of one myself. Definitely an interesting chap, whether or not I come to like his writing… Cheers! -Forest
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Indeed, Murnane definitely has a supreme disdain for the comma-splice error; he’s like a cranky high school English teacher. One of the obvious eccentricities this essay highlights, of course, is how out of touch with American literature. A History of Books makes clearer that, at root, he glimpsed the directions praised writing was taking and he didn’t like it. Fairly early on, he almost totally insulated himself, which is hard for us to understand in these days when novelists are expected to stay up on lit crit and lit theory and lit trends. He is quite fond of Proust and James, but his own writing is, well, not expected from his critical stance. Clearly. The more I think about it, the more I wish I hadn’t brought that essay into the video. Having now started to dip into his short fiction, I can see I’m going to have to make another video highlighting some of this incredible writing. OK, I see I am defending him against my own blunder and now I feel kind of silly. This is to say that: all your points are absolutely sound and, well, accurate, and probably indicative of the historic critical divide on Murnane.
@litcrit1624
@litcrit1624 6 ай бұрын
I have never read Murnane - never even heard of him till today - but your love for the work is sending me to his novels. But in the meantime, I looked for his essay on the “long sentence” and was underwhelmed. Filled more with descriptions of what sentences are than what sentences do, Murnane couldn’t seem to catch my attention or strongly articulate the feelings of his own attention. (The essay, I would say, is a “film strip” of comments rather than anything that captures literary feeling.) And then you get silly stuff like this: “Kermode, in his careless attribution of a love of long sentences to an entity that he named ‘Pynchon’, betrayed his ignorance of Booth’s common-sense distinction between the flesh-and-blood Thomas Pynchon and the implied author of the texts that he put his name to. Kermode, like any other reader of Vineland, was free to guess what a man named Thomas Pynchon might love or not love, but any fondnesses inferred from any text had to be attributed to a being known only from his having composed it: a being not necessarily identical with a man known to his friends as Thomas Pynchon.” My years in grad school during the 90s taught me to run away from this sort of nonsense, although I can see why an author might find it appealing. It resonates with the the other moments of his essay where he slaps back at other attempts to get him to talk about himself, his art, or anything. (This is not bad, and I do like the “I write sentences” snark; his words remind me of Stein.) I am still going to try Murnane’s novels, but I will be stepping in the work a bit more gingerly than I might have before reading the essay. Thanks, as always, for the recommendation and the channel.
@alphonseelric5722
@alphonseelric5722 6 ай бұрын
You won't enjoy Murnane unless you are willing to appreciate his eccentricities.
@litcrit1624
@litcrit1624 6 ай бұрын
@@alphonseelric5722 Fair enough. And I do like eccentric styles -- although from the first half of the video, I was expecting something of an old-school Henry-James-style formalist. (I'm saving the rest.) In the essay, Murnane characterizes THE PLAINS as a collection of "long showpieces." I wonder if I will share that assessment.
@alphonseelric5722
@alphonseelric5722 6 ай бұрын
@@litcrit1624 The Plains is the least eccentric of Murnane's eccentric style. Try Inland or his short story collection 'Landscape with Landscape'. It's difficult to describe him. He is a metaphysically bent Proust with Borgesian metafictional flavor.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
@litcrit1624 absolutely fair points here. I can definitely see how reading that particular essay could both put a sour taste in your mouth and give a false sense of Murnane’s fiction. Indeed, there are many elements of his interviews and essays that can be deemed cantankerous-but there is much more that is charming. I, too, don’t really care much for mud slinging (which plays into my aversion to politics), but in this particular instance, I think Murnane betrayed his frustration with being repeatedly overlooked and misunderstood by critics. He sees Kermode praising Pynchon for his long sentences and he’s like: wait, these aren’t even sentences! In hindsight, I probably should’ve left this out of the video, but, like the other commenter is saying, Murnane is full of quirks and eccentricities.
@WORD_VIRUS
@WORD_VIRUS 6 ай бұрын
Agreed. His grammatical analysis in that essay is also wrought with errors (lol), while the whole thing seems to have stemmed from a total incomprehension of Pynchon simply using a comma instead of a period (a technique I’m pretty sure he nicked from the Beats) paired with a bizarre conviction that there is just no good reason for EVER deviating from conventional grammatical construction in fiction, which is just plain insanity. Guess they don’t call him ‘eccentric’ for nothing. Meanwhile all of his own sentences he gives as examples seem clunky and arrhythmic as hell. I’ll still have to give The Plains a try though, as I find the concept intriguing.
@thatgirlemersyn4
@thatgirlemersyn4 6 ай бұрын
Love All the videos! 🩷🫶🏼🤍
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🫶
@avikchatterjee1945
@avikchatterjee1945 6 ай бұрын
Yeah thanks and love from India. It's a great book indeed. You are spot on!
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope you enjoyed your recent Diwali!
@dorothysatterfield3699
@dorothysatterfield3699 6 ай бұрын
Many thanks, Chris, for bringing Gerald Murnane to our attention. I'll definitely be picking up The Plains. I have to disagree with your interpretation of the scenario presented on page 25 (where light passes through a glass of dark beer and transmutes the colors of the two rings' stones). The light source is identified as "an electric globe behind me," not as the sun. By adjusting the position of his glass-holding hand, the narrator allows the "diffused aura" of the refracted light to pass through the beer and hit the stones of the rings on his left hand. It seems to me that that could happen only if he's holding the beer with his right hand, while his left hand, with the rings, is situated somewhere just beyond the glass. How else could the glass be between the light source and the stones while, at the same time, the narrator can see the stones? (Okay, I just thought of one possibility: he's holding the glass with his left hand, the rings are on the far side of the glass, but he can still see the stones because he's wearing the rings with the stones facing inward, on the palm side. Doesn't seem likely.) Finally, I don't think he's saying that the transmuted colors of the stones are being projected onto the wall behind him, but that their colors are transmuted because they're lying in the aura cast upon them by the refracted light. I loved the allusion to one of the Apostle Paul's most striking metaphors, "through a glass darkly." It's fun to think of Paul saying, "Now we see God through a glass of dark beer." P.S. I hope this comment doesn't seem too absurdly nit-picky. In fact, I thought your review was lovely. Has any artist ever managed to bring the vision inside his infinite, immaterial mind into limited, material existence?
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Ah, yeah, you could definitely be right about it being an artificial light source. I read it as a metaphor for the sun. I think I even wrote in the book: “the sun?” I’ll have to reread the passage again more carefully. I don’t take your comment as nitpicking or absurdly pedantic, etc.; I welcome corrections! 🙏
@paulhoban1778
@paulhoban1778 6 ай бұрын
Please correct me incase I'm way off here, but compared to Beckett (even his Unnamable) who seems to show the unavoidability of an extent of solipsism, but simultaneously seems to mock or criticise a succumbing to it (in any case showing the purgatory that it may lead to), this here all sounds like a manifesto for solipsism, especially if one puts the excerpts of the author's book alongside the details of his personal life... So while on the one hand this review piqued my interest in Murnane, on the other hand I'm trying to get away from overbearing solipsism in my reading and so now I'm not sure if I should delve into his work😅
@jamesgwarrior1981
@jamesgwarrior1981 6 ай бұрын
Yea! How come they ain’t more Australian writers spoken of?! 📚 🇦🇺
@jamesgwarrior1981
@jamesgwarrior1981 6 ай бұрын
@@_t_w_s I love Australian horror movies. Have their own style and are quite underrated for my tastes. I’m also active in the music community so a ton of Australian bands and labels are always in rotation 🫱🏽‍🫲🏻👍🏾
@absurdistoxymoron
@absurdistoxymoron 6 ай бұрын
More Aussie poets certainly need proper recognition; I feel that contemporary Aussie poets (like Sarah Holland-Batt or Alison Whittaker) or historical ones like Judith Wright are easily some of the best or most innovative of all time. Our (I'm an Aussie) poetry scene is fantastic. On the other hand, I find that our modern fiction scene is much weaker overall from what I've read. A lot of Australian writers today in fiction (at least the ones being widely read) tend to overvalue plot and discount prose and innovation. Murnane is a complete master though, and I really need to check out more fiction writers like Alexis Wright, Patrick White, and Christos Tsiolkas, who are also all meant to be fantastic.
@jamesgwarrior1981
@jamesgwarrior1981 6 ай бұрын
@@absurdistoxymoron really appreciate this comment. It’s sounds and looks like the best starting point. Fully intend to go through each and every name 👍🏾
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Thanks to everyone here for recommendations and the encouragement to get more Aussie writers on the channel. I published a review of a recent Jen Craig book a few years ago, but I want to get some Patrick White on here, too.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
@jamesgwarrior1993 I used to watch a lot of Australian horror flicks back in the 00s and 10s! Which were your favorites? I also listen to Parkway Drive and Plini.
@tobsi2256
@tobsi2256 6 ай бұрын
It's Friday already? What a weird week.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Surprise!!!
@themightyseptopus
@themightyseptopus 6 ай бұрын
Didn't know there was a real J. Henry Waugh out there.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Wish I could fully grasp what I presume is an allusion to Coover’s baseball book-but I’ve yet to read it!
@rickharsch8797
@rickharsch8797 6 ай бұрын
Beckett?
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Yes.
@ashulman2008
@ashulman2008 6 ай бұрын
Love the channel but your editing software is making you look like max headroom. A little space is not a bad thing
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Hahaha! I had to look that name up. Thanks for the feedback. 🙏
@mattjmjmjm4731
@mattjmjmjm4731 6 ай бұрын
Read more Australian Literature, it's not even respected in it's own country(that's my impression living in Australia). Patrick White, you would love his works, read Voss.
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
I reviewed books by Jen Craig and Trent Dalton in Arts Fuse and Rain Taxi, but I’ve yet to read White. I own Voss. It’s gonna happen soon!
@t3xtb00kcricket9
@t3xtb00kcricket9 6 ай бұрын
Celebrating an Australian author because of Australia's cricket world cup win no doubt?
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
Haha! An Indian friend recently lamented this victory to me. But I made the video a couple weeks back. 😁
@somadood
@somadood 6 ай бұрын
gm
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
☕️☕️☕️
@MaximTendu
@MaximTendu 6 ай бұрын
came for the Aussie novel you promised to review (currently waiting for the copy I ordered to reach me), stayed for the Hurtson's T-Shirt. 🦘 🍐🐝
@LeafbyLeaf
@LeafbyLeaf 6 ай бұрын
😁😁😁
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