As a fan of all things Orkish from the Warhammer 40K 'verse, I appreciate your use of the term "Humies".
@skepticalmagos_1012 жыл бұрын
😂
@andyb16532 жыл бұрын
@@skepticalmagos_101 **reads your username** Oh, the inquisitiors must LOVE you (as does your Regimental Commissar), lol
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
You can enjoy amazing battle of Zion of you ignore how UNARMORED THESE THINGS ARE. I mean why not just deploy a flak tank???
@251spartan2 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie, love the battle of zion, and i am a fan of Mechs, but i was mad when i saw those exo suits, i mean come on, last line of def and all, but, a little armor for the pilot?, or ya know, support units covering them from blind spots? infantry or even i dunno, SHIPS they got, figthing in the battle?, nope just unarmored exo suits with dual machine guns, nothing else, oh, and the support units are only for ammo, not covering, get the hell out!
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
@@251spartan Also EXTREMELY poor control systems.
@prohumans4202 жыл бұрын
What is a flak tank nerd boi?
@251spartan2 жыл бұрын
@@JeanLucCaptain indeed, this has the marks of a jury rigged at the last moment before the battle unit, not something that was on service before, but something that was made hours before the battle, just to buy some more minutes.
@daniel_f40502 жыл бұрын
@@prohumans420 An armored, mobile, anti aircraft vehicle. Look up the ZSU-23-4. It’s a Soviet tank with a quad mount of radar directed 23mm auto cannons.
@almitrahopkins18732 жыл бұрын
A four-legged walker with quad-mounted guns in a turret on its back would make more sense. It would look like a turtle with a turret.
@ninjawannabe872 жыл бұрын
with wheels in the feet for optional rolling or planting itself in the ground so it isn't easily pushed. or have a setup like the tachikomas in the Ghost in the Shell series (minus the irritation high pitched voices they had in parts of it). where they have omni-directional wheels for feet that give them a lot of mobility options
@blackc14792 жыл бұрын
The lawyers from pokemon would like a word 😁
@arbhall75722 жыл бұрын
Given that they have no armor&did a good amount of damage. I say a flat bed, 4 wheeled vehicle with a couple M2 or grenade launchers would be every bit as effective, more mobile&be far easier to maintain&produce!
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
Take the Urbanmech from Battletech. It’s literally a turret that walks.
@blackc14792 жыл бұрын
@@arbhall7572 m-2s dont have near the punch for that situation. Firepower wise, maybe something like the zsu 23-4. But it doesnt track fast enough either, plus mobility is limited. I guess that was the apus biggest strength, it could change targets as fast as the operator could move. Maybe a hyper version of a ciws would work.
@noahdoyle67802 жыл бұрын
Matrix: "These EMP mines are the only weapon we have against the Sentinels." Sequels: "Eh, .50 cals work pretty well, too." (John Moses Browning wins again!)
@stefanwalicord25122 жыл бұрын
Browning always wins
@biocaster7772 жыл бұрын
Even in 41st Millennium, his design still lives on.
@kentlindal54222 жыл бұрын
"47 World Wars!"
@blackjac5000 Жыл бұрын
30-millimeter, not .50-cals.
@dianabarnett68862 жыл бұрын
Imagine how extra screwed they would have been if the sentinels actually had projectile weapons.
@eyesofstatic96412 жыл бұрын
Even a fucking bow and arrow would do it avatar style lol
@dankymemegecko20092 жыл бұрын
They actually did in the first machine war where they had a really hot lazer
@RomstarOrion2 жыл бұрын
Actually, you basically hit the nail on the head. As a functional, usable design a walker mech is an excellent WORK platform. The increased strength, mobility and adaptability make it an amazing platform for all types of construction, recon and harsh environment research. Its no wonder that weapons systems were developed for them. And thats where the functionality breaks down. For all of the reasons you have stated. In a combat environment all of the inherent flaws of the bipedal walker idea come crashing to a head and eventually to the ground.
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
Ironically Gundam got it right. As their Mobile suits were originally designed for use in microgravity or zero-G. Basically giant space suits that somebody looked and said “what if we gave them a gun instead of a tool?” And it went from there.
@schwarzerritter57242 жыл бұрын
The walkers probably a r e work platforms. The way I see it, the humans where lacking resources; they had none to spare for actual war machines. So it was either design weapons they can strap on the work robots they already have or nothing. A war machine can fight, but it can not do anything else useful.
@pouncepounce74172 жыл бұрын
@@schwarzerritter5724 armoring the cockpit at least is a few plates of metal. Or using this machines to build fortifications to fight from. If you have such marvelous WORK suits you can build a lot of stuff from stones already
@ryuukeisscifiproductions18182 жыл бұрын
@@JeanLucCaptain maybe in basic concept, not in execution in the slightest. By any measure of even the slightest amount of realism, there is absolutely zero reason a humongous bipedal walker would be a better option than a space fighter. The reason for this is because adding limbs adds mass, weight and complexity. If a MS and the fighter used the same engine plant the mobile suit would have considerably lower overall performance than the fighter because of that extra mass. Greater mass in space means less acceleration. Those limbs also add cost and size, which means a carrier would be able to carry less mobile suits than the space fighters, they would be more expensive, and they would have more maintenance downtime than the fighters. Sure a mobile suit might beat the crap out of a space fighter that insists on limiting itself to flying and operating like atmospheric aircraft, IE. star wars fighters. But realistically designed space fighters, designed for actual space, ie Babylon 5 Starfuries, wont have that maneuverability disadvantage. Plus since there are no aerodynamics in space, there is not much reason for a space fighter to limit itself to fixed forward facing weapons. They can easily use turrets, with the only disadvantage being a slight mass penalty of the turret over a fixed weapon. Sure a mobile suit is space doesn't face all the disadvantages of a land based walker. Like the simple issue of recovering walkers with inevitable engine breakdowns. If a wheeled or tracked vehicles engine quits on the move, the vehicle simply stops. Then you can set the transmission to neutral, break out a towbar, and use another vehicle to tow the disables vehicle to the workshop. If a land based walkers engine quits while walking, chances are its going to be in an unstable position and fall over, damaging or destroying itself. Getting that disabled walker back to the workshop is going to be a bitch and a half. If the walker has the courtesy of breaking where you could get it onto a flatbed truck or trailer, its easier. But if that walkers engine decides to be particularity rude and break down in an area where you couldn't get a flatbed truck near it, that's a really bad day. At least with a mobile suit in space, if the power plant quits, a leg locks up, or some other rude mechanical failure immobilizes it, well towing things in space is easier.
@danamoore17882 жыл бұрын
Just a theory so bear with me. But could these also be barely understood machines left by the machines for the humans to use? I mean a councilor said they have huge machines he has no idea how they work. How much do they know how to actually build in their 'real' world? I mean I assume matrix learning does not cross over.
@Darqshadow2 жыл бұрын
As he goes on about the two legs I immediately thought "why not have several.legs that allow you to walk on the end walls? Hell why aren't they even armored? Why no missiles, no dedicated flak rounds, hell explosive ammo for those suits would have done better than standard FMJ"
@DrewBorrowdale2 жыл бұрын
The Squids as an "monster" are terrifying, i would rate them up there with Xenomorphs and Cenobites :S they are a perfect shock troop, the T-800 is a robot that will hunt you then shoot you in a cool collected manor, this thing will fly at you with tentacular waiving and rip your arms n legs off like a small child with a fly, if you're lucky . And those mechs are not somewhere i would want to be if facing them, i'd rather be on foot.
@ledocteur77012 жыл бұрын
yeah, the Squids are a fine exemple of fonction over form, they can be used to move stuff around when not in combat (so 99% of the time), are highly mobile whish is important for scouting around the mechanical nightmare that is earth in the Matrix AND they have the fear factor, whish is useful when the only thing your gonna be fighting against are squishy Humies. the only things they could be improved with his some ability to use range weapons, an option to having a gun attached to the end of the tentacles for exemple.
@LostInTheFarmersMarket2 жыл бұрын
They literally stop being effective when someone gets a high RPM flak weapon. They aren't even threatening....but the Matrix sequels aren't known for being too bright.
@DrewBorrowdale2 жыл бұрын
@@LostInTheFarmersMarket i disagree, i think having that flak weapon makes it worse, you get that sense of building hope as you blast them to bits but as there seem to be endless waves of these things, they just keep coming at you. Ammo is a false hope in this case, plus that gun can't fire forever, it will need to stop firing as the barrel heats up and the crew that man it start to tire and slow down. like old school shambling zombies, they will get you eventually and every weapon or defense you build only works against you by providing false hope.
@LostInTheFarmersMarket2 жыл бұрын
@@DrewBorrowdale I do not think you understand flak then. Flak is an area effect weapon that degrades targets by shredding them en-masse. The force of having a flak shell detonate near you is as bad as the high velocity shrapnel as it creates over pressure and will damage delicate things like electronics used in the sentinel's internals. In short it's a force multiplier against airborne targets that can start killing them by the bushel at range. I am not talking the ww2 era concept of flak, I'm talking Sci-fi flak which is way more effective. Sentinels have very little armor because they rely on sheer numbers any mass multiplier weapon would be more effective than the APU's existing weapons. Really the residents of Zion should have built Riflemen (battletech) rather than glorified power loaders with a severe case of John Woo-Itis.
@DrewBorrowdale2 жыл бұрын
@@LostInTheFarmersMarket Very much aware of what flack is, also very much aware of what maintenance needs is, and what material stress is also. The problem isn't that its a bad weapon or the wrong type of weapon for the job. In a simple on off battle with a single wave of squids then sure, roll out the 2K22 Tunguska but that's not what you will be up against, you could jam yourself in the best place with a warehouse of shells behind you, have a team of engineers on standby ready to clear any jam or dud shell and be trained to a elite level, but eventually you have to stop firing, either due to personal exhaustion, mechanical failure, or simply being out of ammo. the squids will bury you in their wreckage. their numbers and total absence of self preservation will get you, the amount you take down before that is irreverent unless you're covering someone else's escape. again, its why slow moving shambling zombies will always be more terror inducing then modern runners. they will get you eventually. anything you do, any weapon you use will just prolong your hope.
@IRMentat2 жыл бұрын
I find the lack of fortifications and barricades deeply disturbing. For a "last ditch" defence it's basically undefended beyond the ability to pick off a straggler that stowed away on a zion ship. sure a mech has some mobility that may be useful sure those turrets mounted to the buildings that are half buried into walls and half hanging from the ceilings WERE taken out a bit easily but not so much as a pavise, sandbag or simple wall/trench to be found while all those stompy mech were standing there as swarm-tentacles of squiddies decided to violate anything they wanted to with near impunity once the initial breach had been added to and the mass-drivers were clearly effective so imagine what could have happened if there had been a layer or 6 of concrete embankments protecting gimbal/arm mounted guns operated from a safe (wire guided or even periscopes if the electronics are vulnerable) that can lay sown withering fire against the main sarms as mech, mercs and maniacs clean up the stragglers and maybe get a few fortified positions with tunnels between them to sally out of and hit an invader from mutiple sides.
@zacheryeckard30512 жыл бұрын
Against a melee-only enemy and using a ranged-only weapon set, doesn't most cover merely reduce angles at which you can fire on that enemy? Armor on the unit, yes. But cover between you and the enemy helps them more than you.
@eclipse93042 жыл бұрын
Considering how much space a Sentinel takes up to move and fight effectively, I'm surprised Zion has no tight tunnels of thick steel to bottleneck them.
@pipeline7892 жыл бұрын
You talking common sense Rogal Dorn
@nsort30092 жыл бұрын
Did you watch like an even stupider version of the scene? Because while the scene I saw was bad, it was basically what you described but with the machines still pushing through the defenses incredibly quickly till only a couple mechs were left. Zion had a giant auto cannon firing at the only breach but the machines just rush through it so quickly that it wasn't enough. They then picked off APUs and the infantry behind cover until they were able to destroy the main gun and mopped up the remaining ground forces. As weird and out of place as the scene it was probably one of the best future warfare scenes in film
@nsort30092 жыл бұрын
Like what's better? The edge of tomorrow scenes? Which is essentially just APU vs matrix machines? The tomorrow war? Which is basically just ordinary humans against versus organic matrix machines that can't fly and can be taken down by 5.56mm? The starship troopers series which is the same? Halo? Where a personal shield generator on a augmented guy with a 12.7mm handgun could destroy entire armies?
@spyrelle39702 жыл бұрын
The defense scene with these units really wowed me when I first saw it. And I've a huge soft-spot for mecha'. But that same love of mecha' now makes it hard to justify these things. Like you mentioned, this universe has hovercraft, so omni-directional movement shouldn't be a problem. And also - mecha' excel in maneuverability on the ground. So why use them as point defense where those legs are being completely squandered? Good video.
@seanheath44922 жыл бұрын
The problem with a hover platform is that they're firing kinetic weapons (you can see the guns on those arms bouncing around during the fight), so either the pilots are constantly adjusting position or they're going to be getting scooted around the battlefield from their own recoil. Or they're going to be grounded, in which case we're back to "why bother with a mobile platform if it's just going to plant itself?"
@spyrelle39702 жыл бұрын
@@seanheath4492 That's a good point. Although as far as armament is concerned, it needn't be so recoil-prone. I think the Matrix's universe has other means of fighting the machines, such as E.M-pulse launchers. They wouldn't cause significant recoil when compared to the damage they could cause to the machines. And even if that wouldn't be possible - as the scene showed, much of the recoil would be directed downward as the machine forces mainly breached Zion's ceiling i.i.r.c. I'm not saying my solution's the best - or even good, for that matter, but instead I'm trying to preserve the intended scene without changing things too much.
@seanheath44922 жыл бұрын
@@spyrelle3970 The idea that they'd be firing upwards only works while they have the sentinels in a bottleneck (which didn't last very long even when they were only dealing with one breach point). I don't recall any instances of them having a directional EMP weapon (the shipboard ones are omnidirectional and don't even spare the ships deploying them), and it doesn't seem like those lightning gun thingies would have the kind of range they need even scaled up for use on a vehicle. I think what I might have done in that situation (which doesn't even require knowledge of the Smith-possessed Bane) is hold some of the ships in reserve when they sent them out to try and EMP the machine swarm so that you'd have more guns to defend the docks. But then, I'm not a huge fan of committing to an all-out attack just because Murphy always likes to put in an appearance. The Battle of Zion is one of those things that's fun to watch, but doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
@spyrelle39702 жыл бұрын
@@seanheath4492 Amen.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
I thought they used magnets since the underground was a giant metal maze?
@richardbradley23352 жыл бұрын
At work in a kitchen my boss used to shout ''reload'' when it got busy !
@TY-PO2 жыл бұрын
I don’t wanna be that guy, but Animatrix explained why they didn’t spend too much time on the APUs. During the machine war, APUs actually covered the canopy with armor! However, they were outmaneuvered by the squids and pilots were ripped from the cockpit. Armor is useless if the enemy already knows how to disable the mechs. Edit: they basically made the most crude version of the APU imaginable because mechs were slow for some reason:/ (AKA plot)
@Zretgul_timerunner2 жыл бұрын
Considering how these where at one point heavily armored and much better tech suite'ed these acu's are hand me down from previous generations upon generations.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@rb10542 жыл бұрын
I always thought these were like the civilian equivalent of the armored version, or maybe de-MIL'd for civ use, for construction, warehousing, etc. Basically the same, just optimized for non combat use. Called back up at the last to help fight. Shitty armor, cause a forklift don't need armor (Impairs visibility and reduces cargo load) and there was no time to put any before the fighting because they were moving heavy things till the last minute, and putting on armor takes time, and then maybe infighting about who gets it even if there is any left in a resource starved city-state that had just outfitted every major warship it had, just hours/days before in a last ditch attempt to keep squids away. Carries bigger guns than a person, . Leftover APU guns in storage, no person can carry, not good for a ship, but maybe kept just in case? Leftover mount points for rear mounted ammo cannisters, so easy to re-bolt that on, no bandolier guides, cause its a forklift turned into a fighting vehicle at the last second. The reloading system likely used to be based on another armored vehicle who sole role was to support and resupply, (similar to how M1A1 and on tanks were supposed to be resupplied in combat, or at least were planned to in idk how the real-world actually worked on that system.) the wheelbarrow reloading being a "its what we got" to replace it. Its bad, but its better than not having it? I mean if I had a choice between a forklift with guns and just my fleshy meat sack with smaller worse guns, idk, I might take it. Still awful, but better than the alternative if its already on hand?
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@jdprofanitybatman52122 жыл бұрын
@@elliotyourarobot that one guy that went limbless still haunts me to this day lmao
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
@@jdprofanitybatman5212 dude don't remind me. I have to spend effort to not think about that when its brought up.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
@@jdprofanitybatman5212 to me its the helplessness of the mechs and guys just stuck there struggling and screaming
@jdprofanitybatman52122 жыл бұрын
@@elliotyourarobot It's mainly the design if you think about it. Theres no failsafe in the event a pilot has to evacuate the APU for any reason, which just adds to the helplessness as well.
@majstealth2 жыл бұрын
anyone, who also saw the animatrix, knows, the armor didnt do shit.... hell even only thinking about animatrix gives me flashbacks to the matrix ripping humans out of these things.... arms and legs still inside the machine
@johnbigboote89002 жыл бұрын
That is the one image that I have from watching 'The Animatrix' 18 years ago.
@majstealth2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbigboote8900 welcome to watching-animatrix-at-23h-alone-ptsd-group
@johnbigboote89002 жыл бұрын
@@majstealth Thank you. It's comforting to know that I'm not alone.
@goranmihajlovic61792 жыл бұрын
It didn't make it invincible. Armour isn't meant to make you invincible. It's the same way ballistic helmets aren't bullet proof, but are meant to protect against shrapnel. You want to be enclosed enough so you don't get taken out by a glancing attack or shrapnel. The fact that once you're pinned down by 1000:1 numbers that you can be lasered or hydraulically cut out doesn't invalidate the need for some level of armour. Also, screw the animatrix, regardless of it being pretty good overall. All the nukes woulda glassed and fried the machine city. And radiation does in fact destroy electronics over time. They would have been utterly annihilated in the initial strike long before they retooled for war.
@zacheryeckard30512 жыл бұрын
@@goranmihajlovic6179 The nukes would have been intercepted. Laser and ballistic TROPHY/CIWS systems that have been refined by an AI interested in doing literally nothing else from the moment of its inception?
@J0MBi2 жыл бұрын
The minute I saw these mechs I was astounded at how stupid the design was, my only mitigating thought was that it was supposed to be some kind of homage to the Power Loader from Aliens - some kind of industrial unit retro fitted for combat duty. But honestly I think it was just lazy scripting and rushed film making requiring a Big Fight to be happening on screen and it did not matter how stupid it was logically because all logic had already gone out the window so we could get to the baffling ending.
@LostInTheFarmersMarket2 жыл бұрын
Considering it was based on the walking death trap version from the Animatrix which came before this movie....
@SallinKari2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I was writing up a comment to say exactly the same thing when I saw yours. It does look like a civilian thing pushed into military service with the retrofitting of guns. The technical of matrix world if you will.
@LostInTheFarmersMarket2 жыл бұрын
@@SallinKari The irony is that it was used by the human military against the machines during the big war (which in of itself has several plot issues) so military to civilian.
@BlackSabbath6282 жыл бұрын
@@SallinKari Its actually a military suit. Why they decided to use .50 instead of explosives or direct energy weapons (we know they had those during the great war) is beyond me. Animatrix 2nd Ren is pretty, but in terms of story and world-building it isn't great. All style and no substance, you know?
@AsheramK2 жыл бұрын
@@LostInTheFarmersMarket If it wasn't for this then I would have guessed that these mechs were repurposed police units to fight city-wide rioting in some dystopian setting.
@NBarkingTurtle2 жыл бұрын
I don't see why they didn't make them remote controlled drones and have the Rescue humans pilot them. and have Automated reload stations in key places. then if the "Mech" goes down, you are out 1 mech and not a Squishy. then have Even more Mechs for them to Load into.
@EmeralBookwise2 жыл бұрын
Considering their enemies are robotic AI, I imagine the humans aren't too fond of automation. Not to mention anything remote controlled would also be at risk of getting it's signal hijacked.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
@@EmeralBookwise exactly
@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus Жыл бұрын
@@EmeralBookwisethey are not going far have it all analogue, not signal means no hijacking. Line gets compromised or interrupted robot goes boom.
@blackjac5000 Жыл бұрын
The new Galactica kinda explained that: you don't network your computers when you're up against AI.
@norm33802 жыл бұрын
A whole crap of angry R2D2s (CIWs) would have be awesome to see in my opinion. Built on a rotary platform, fist one damaged! Bam another flips up and technicians repair/replace them. Plus a high power laser grid above the battle space. If the squidies can have that kind of laser a fixed position laser should be crazy powerful.
@basketcase12352 жыл бұрын
that's another thing i don't get. the squidies have lasers, why not, if the humans can't make them, scavenge them from damage squids? then make a laser array, that they can put on a dedicated movable platform, that can aim at whatever hole the squids pour out from.. but nope, we get un armored bipeds that btw, CAN'T STRAFE BECAUSE THE FOOT AND ARM CONTROLS ARE SEPARATE AND REQUIRE BOTH HANDS TO OPERATE, which kind of defeats why they have legs to start with.
@virgilio63492 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the APUs in 3 where just the same APUs from the Animatrix but after so many years lying around they just stripped their armor and where reduced to their basic skeletal structures (like the Y wings the rebels use). Explains the lack of armor and probably those belts went inside the arms under the armor but now just hang lose. The reload system is dumb still but maybe they had more ammo capacity before so reloads where less frequent? Also robo hands would imply that they had the ability to use other types of armament besides the chain guns.
@o.k.productions52022 жыл бұрын
We squishies have an annoying habit of coming up with decent concept for a thing and then keep redesigning until the good bits are gone
@JohnTrustworthy2 жыл бұрын
The APU looks like a conversion of a mech forklift. So a mech technical basically.
@themocaw2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned "Hover Pads," and suddenly I had an image of attaching a goddamn hover pack to the back of these things and a second person to be the pilot. So you'd have one guy up front firing like mad, and a second guy flying the damn thing around kiting Squids, then when they're low on ammo, you fly back to the hangar and get a reload. Actually, if you're doing that, you don't need legs, do you? Maybe you can use skids instead? And instead of one guy with just one gun, because humans find it hard to track two targets at once, why not have a second guy to run the second gun instead? Maybe a third guy. Yeah, we could put three guns on this: one facing forward, and two to the sides. And maybe we now move the pilot and their gunner to the front and the two gunners behind them. And while we're at it, we could also have the extra ammo stored in, like, a cargo area inside with two guys who are feeding ammo to the guns, which could be in the doors, and maybe instead of having those ladies run around with shoulder-fired bazookas, we could attach those bazookas to these things and I just reinvented fucking attack helicopters, didn't I?
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
I can only assume the power requirements for the pads are enormous, or the power plants have minimum sizes.
@AltbinariesPPK2 жыл бұрын
The UN apus could fly and they still got slaughtered
@gustavopaez24442 жыл бұрын
I think they tried to went with something that looks cool and dangerous and ended up with something that looks horribly stupid and suicidal.
@natethegreat79672 жыл бұрын
The APUs of the Zion era have no armor because (as shown the Animatrix segment “The Second Renaissance Part II”) the Sentinels could tear through the armor with ease. So there’s no armor on the APUs because it offers little protection from the Sentinels.
@arnold95262 жыл бұрын
Watching Robo Cop as a kid in the 80's. Taught me robots with legs are bad...erm ok
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
Legs, no armour and worst control layout on any Mech in sci-fi.
@grinninb11822 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the APUs in the theater I was really hoping that they would spark some sort of popularity in walkers and eventually lead to an EXO Squad reboot. It's been almost 30 years and I still have hope.
@blackjac5000 Жыл бұрын
According to Entertainment Weekly there was a field repair E-frame in Parzival's garage in Ready Player One that supposedly people thought was a power loader suit.
@Andulvar2 жыл бұрын
Easy question to answer. Turrets are stationary, these mechs aren't. You can get them anywhere. Quite the shocking concept to want some form of mobile artillery that can go anywhere. The biggest design flaw is actually where the weapons are and how exposed the pilot is. Something like this looks like it was made for dock/ industrial work and had weapons placed on it as an after thought. Similar idea as farm vehicles being armoured to be made into tanks.
@CtisGaming2 жыл бұрын
In the animatrix the original design they show has the front shielded, every infantryman got one basically. Thing is any you recover will have had the cockpit destroyed or the blast shield lasered off.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@redhairdavid2 жыл бұрын
the apu is armoured, just not for the person. the machine can handle being hit by the full force of the "squid" swarm, and still be occupied by another person and keep fighting. so its armoured, just not to protect the driver, more to protect the machine.
@maiyannah2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who has knowledge of French pre-Dreadnaughts knows that its never quite as bad as what someone trying to "improve' it can do.
@spiritvdc51092 жыл бұрын
Honestly, as a sci-fi writer myself who's working on a tabletop wargame, I actually designed a vehicle for one of my factions that is literally everything these guys would've needed at the Battle of Zion... it's about the size of an M1 Abrams, hovercraft deployment, moderately armored and has quad-mounted anti-air laser cannon array on its back that has precise enough targeting to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles. Replace every one of those APUs with one of my mobile AA guns and the robots would've lost the battle for the city because quad guns with auto-targeting are a bitch to get close to when you're the thing they're calibrated to intercept xDDD
@kerricklogan38012 жыл бұрын
Hey, take a look at Hawken mechs. You'll have fun with those designs. They're really good designs but you'll still have fun.
@Jmac39792 жыл бұрын
I wish I could still play Hawken...
@lencao45152 жыл бұрын
5:16 "Yank parts of him out" flashback to what happened to that one APU dude in the animatrix
@gerogefinkle47642 жыл бұрын
The "APU" was also a utility vehicle utilized in Zion for many things in addition to being a weapons platform, hence why they had to "knuckle up" or mount their weapons prior to the engagement. Now, the bipedal design is a good point, but that is why it's what it is and not just a turret. But being mobile allows them to cover down their gun mates when they are out of ammo, or whatever the situation required.
@nathanthom81762 жыл бұрын
There is a reason why walkers are so popular. If a wheeled firing platform is facing forwards then and it needs to move out the way it is a lot more involved than just sidestepping I to cover ( possible 3 point turn if not tracked or if tracked or if tracked it will need to spin on the spot and then move). A bipedal or (any unit with legs also has the ability to reduce its profile by bending the knee. Try a hover drone is a better option but most drones have to sacrifice armour and munitions to be able to attain flight in the first place.
@jchoneandonly2 жыл бұрын
You can build wheels that allow sideways motion either through hydraulics, electrical systems, or through designing wheels with special wheels on them
@nathanthom81762 жыл бұрын
@@jchoneandonly still far slower and more restrictive, especially with difficult terrain. The footprint of a tracked or wheeled vehicle will alway be bigger and that makes any ground obstacles far more problematic.
@jchoneandonly2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanthom8176 slower? Definitely not. If you're using multidirectional wheels it's pretty much instant movement, it's faster long range, and far less complicated while being far more stable. As for regular wheels, you'd have to pivot them quickly but it's more than plausible to move and they'll still be more stable.
@nathanthom81762 жыл бұрын
@@jchoneandonly it is slower if you place any form of obstacle like a raise in elevation or any ground obstacle. It is also worth noting that most ground vehicles are longer than wide so going sidewards isn't even an option a lot of the time. Hell a walker with arms could climb over substantial blockages and pretty much gets stopped obstacles specifically designed to stop armoured vehicles.
@jchoneandonly2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanthom8176 the wheels and mechanical components I've referred to completely ignore wheelbase as it pertains to sideways motion. Both are capable of moving sideways without turning the chassis. As for elevations and obstacles, the docks look pretty flat and that's where the apu is used and you can mount wheels on suspension that's designed to climb and not have to sacrifice much mobility while they're also way simpler than legs and way more robust. Unless you're mountain climbing you're not going to need legs.
@mdomans2 жыл бұрын
Matrix universe in parts 2&3 makes zero sense starting with guns. Assuming humans have tech to make antigrav technology and create EM pulses and make portable arc welders (meaning they have battery tech to support high power) they should be able to either some form of rocket/bomb creating local bubble of EM or direct EM ray guns. Which would nicely work with antigrav since that would be recoilless (radiation only) weapon. So rather than slow clunky mechs with lossy ammo we would get fast hover tanks. Since radiation weapons are generally area denial seems like good idea against swarming enemy travelling by a network of tunnels.
@GankbotShuk2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that if they have that much control over EM fields then all of those ships and mechs should be using fucking railguns not standard ammunition. Their hovercrafts should be able to just slag the machine city from miles away with long range kinetic railgun bolts.
@cy-one2 жыл бұрын
@@GankbotShuk You don't even need control over em fields for rail guns. Just shitloads of power. Using EM fields could be handy for coil guns, though.
@Gothmetalhead132 жыл бұрын
Humans dont actually have the technology to make most of those things. They are salvaged relics from the pre-fall era that the Matrix era humans can just about get working. Just.
@mdomans2 жыл бұрын
@@Gothmetalhead13 even if that's the case kinetic weapons on a walker make zero sense against a machine. Your going to go through millions in materials and manufacturing cost for one or two machines. Considering humanity always had constrains on manufacturing projectiles make zero sense. If they can make EM charge that can blast and have antigrav tech and all is salvaged - at worst make WW2 style live hoverbombs. Stick a pilot on top of a platform with minimum power for EM and antigrav, armor him up so he can get close enough and that's that. This may seem brute but Zion tactics and strategy are just idiotic. De Vauban was first to note (and this holds strong here) that as dimensionality grows the correct defence fortifications becomes gradually more resource expensive. The whole plot of Ender's Game is based on this simple fact that 3d defence (enemy coming from up/down or either side) is practically impossible. The only correct choice is offensive, especially when the attacker has greater numbers and/or resources since that is the only way to force confrontations at acceptable odds. This tactics are the mainstay of today's guerilla war everywhere. Move, concentrate firepower, hit and run using knowledge of terrain. No big sieges because it's seconds before regulars call in artillery and air support.
@Gothmetalhead132 жыл бұрын
@@mdomans Well, the main reason the APU's are used is because they are, once again, pre-fall tech that humanity has salvaged and restored. Humans have found loads of these mechs and restored them. Why they never bothered to add any armour to them, I do not know. As for why they were there, Mechs are cool. Logically the defence of Zion is a mess, but seeing mechs blast squidbots is visually impressive, and so long as you dont think too hard its fun. Although, you would have thought that the devs would have armoured them. Scrap armour, sure, but armour. And maybe added in one or two largely intact pre-fall models as ace units.
@waltuhgaming65232 жыл бұрын
What's funny is that in the animatrix (a series of matrix spin-offs and prequels) they show fully-armored apus that have guns built into the arms
@stahlhelmturtle982210 ай бұрын
According to the animatrix/matrix wiki, the reason the limb socket controls and heavy armor was removed in the movie designs was to give the pilots a less horrifying/painful death in the case the squids get a hold of the APU, in addition to said armor not actually being able to protect from anything since the squids have laser cutters that can just peel the armor off. You can say what you will about the reasoning and logic behind this, but that is the reason behind it.
@NikiKiji2 жыл бұрын
The ammo boxes are small enough you could just mount them on the guns. I mean come on! Why give it hands if it’s not gonna reload like a squishy?
@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus Жыл бұрын
To punch stuff, why these things didn’t have swords and maces is a good question though, if squishies are not gonna go out in melee then they ain’t doing things right.
@XTINFILM2 жыл бұрын
These things ruined the dock scene. Any little piece of shrapnel flying around could kill the pilot. Then the battle wheelbarrow took the stupid up to 11. How many rounds are they reloading, anyway? Enough for .2 seconds of firing? It's hard to believe this made it onscreen.
@JeanLucCaptain2 жыл бұрын
And they're just mobile turrets anyways. No reason not to have ZSU-23-4s instead right?
@MonkeyJedi992 жыл бұрын
@@JeanLucCaptain With the ZSU 57-2, you'd still have the drama of being able to tear apart the squishies with tentacles from the open top.
@mayroepstorff72392 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyJedi99 yeah but with the ZSU you can just give the loader a Rifle too defend the turret with while the gunner does the pew pew. And switch roles when reloading needs to be done
@blackjac5000 Жыл бұрын
Saw something online that said that the guns are 30mm, so based on the size of the ammo boxes you're probably lucky to get 200 rounds apiece in them, and since an M-61 Vulcan can burn through a hundred a second on full rock & roll...
@Wilkidw2 жыл бұрын
in hollywood "Rule of Cool" outstrips logic and effectiveness every day of the week.
@JerodTrd2 жыл бұрын
Armed Baby Carrier. Even the madness of the Invictus Tactical Suit from Cawl's labs aren't this nonsensical. Now, if you want to cry, check out a warlord titan...
@TheAnxiousAardvark2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw these devices, I made sputtering sounds of outrage and disbelief. For some of the reasons expressed here. Thanks. These appear to be exoskeleton lifters turned combat suits, and like something one of those talented kids in art or engineering classes would draw for personal enjoyment. Have you considered a Starship Troopers (book) vs. Movie comparison of the kit the troopers are equipped with?
@TacoSallust2 жыл бұрын
Yep I've never cared for the APUs. Even in the theater I just gave a "lol ok" shrug and watched humans die.
@njalsand1332 жыл бұрын
I suddenly imagine the humies using Hoover pickup trucks with mounted guns
@TheMhalpern2 жыл бұрын
the worst thing about bipedal walkers is that the two main reasons bipedalism evolved are completely irrelevant to machines, energy saving and repurposing the front limbs for other things like arms, flippers or wings
@williamhare44562 жыл бұрын
One thing you missed is a background bit of world building is that the humans can’t really build new. That is why the hover engines and APUs look similar to the ones used during the downfall war. It is vary possible that those engines and the base frames of the APUs where built for the downfall war and scavenged by Zion because they still worked and they needed the production of Zion to build new homes and food plants instead.
@YaBoyYeti2 жыл бұрын
3rd Matrix Movie got me into Tower Defense games. Especially the last stand at Zion Docks.
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
They are fun, aren't they?
@Truex007 Жыл бұрын
If the humans had just scavenged some M1 abrams, then they prolly wouldn't have needed Neo to save their ass...
@compmanio362 жыл бұрын
My only thought is that these things are hardened and simple enough that they work even after an EMP goes off, whereas more complex and more capable machines, like a hover tank, wouldn't.
@kentlindal54222 жыл бұрын
Zion: "Thank you! Come again!"
@originalSPECTER Жыл бұрын
“Here’s the design you wanted. It’s called the Armed Mobile Personnel Unit, or AMPU. It’s a converted power loader.” “We shall call it Apu because he makes me laugh on The Simpsons.” “But that’s not…” “Hey, guys! Check out Apu! Our Armored Personal Unit! It’s got legs!”
@zactron19972 жыл бұрын
The one metric these have going for them is the do look "cool", and just like how enjoyment is the priority for some movie watchers, coolness is often the only metric for fictional designs. Love the video regardless!
@dustintaber2 жыл бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet but gave you a thumbs up for the description alone lol
@TizzyD2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed all three as well. You are not alone.
@schwarzerritter57242 жыл бұрын
The way I see it, the humans where lacking resources; they had none to spare for actual war machines. So it was either design weapons they can strap on the work robots they already have or nothing. A war machine can fight, but it can not do anything else useful.
@reiver90312 жыл бұрын
Even then, it would take only a bare handful of resources to fix a few glaring problems: When it's time to gear them up for combat, bolt the guns to the hands (even if they're still holding the guns!), run ammo feeds along the arms and down the back and *to the legs*. Now your reloaders (again, assuming nothing else here could be changed and so they were needed too) could just load the ammo straight in with wheelbarrows at human-height and skip the scissor lifts. If we assume armor is 'worthless', then at least give 'em a mesh screen, to prevent fragments (or spent casings!) hurting the pilot, even if it can't stop a Squid. They're strapped in, so weren't escaping in a hurry anyway... To be clear, all this is to say nothing of just strapping AA guns to the back of the local forklifts. ;)
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@HavocStylesJoe2 жыл бұрын
If was going to bizatch at something it would be the belt feed system on those things. They would jam after jam.
@blackjac5000 Жыл бұрын
I know it as "auxiliary power unit." Either way, I think it was just an excuse to engage in more gun-fu silliness as it's still the whole firing-two-guns-held-flat-in-all-directions thing but in a powered exoframe.
@DrownedInExile2 жыл бұрын
Why Walkers? Because they look cool of course! I could understand them not bothering with armour. Maybe Zion doesn't have sufficient materials, or they see more advantage in keeping pilot visibility high and weight down. But treads or wheels make much more sense. They'd actually be able to move & fire then. Plus I could see hands & arms being useful if the APU fell down. They could be used to help flip the unit back up.
@epicstyle10002 жыл бұрын
no legs no need to worry about falls, tanks dont flip over thier side much when travelling on flat terrain
@nobodyimportant24702 жыл бұрын
Pretty much the only reason to go with mechs over tanks is rule of cool. Impractical and a design nightmare in every way possible but they look cool.
@Yawyna1242 жыл бұрын
@@epicstyle1000 To be fair, tanks have a long and storied past of getting stuck in holes and trenches and on large obstacles. Excess machine debris can probably act like hedgehogs. That being said, Zion probably doesn't have a depot of tanks sitting around, and these might just not have their armor anymore for whatever reason. They could have potentially jury-rigged some makeshift armor back on their of course, for some degree of any protection. I'm also not certain how well turreted things would necessarily work, considering the extent that these walkers seemed to utilize being able to shoot in more than one direction at once. Of course, you can put multiple turrets on a single small vehicle, you just run into mounting space issues with such set-ups.
@patrickradcliffe38372 жыл бұрын
APU: Augmented Power Unit. Mobility is life, moving target is a harder target to destroy.
@ranwolf76502 жыл бұрын
but they barely moved after they started firing. I don't recall any running and gunning by the APUs
@patrickradcliffe38372 жыл бұрын
@@ranwolf7650 not enough budget for the CGI! 😏
@csabaszep81622 жыл бұрын
Us humies are obsessed with walking combat robots because if your level of technology reaches the point where you can actually control it seamlessly (and it's not doing some chunky, slow dance) then we should have an inherent advantage with it since that's how we naturally move around and use our bodies for fighting. Alas, imagination is far far ahead of achieveable technology on this one.
@user-ww6wv4pm4r2 жыл бұрын
Let's also talk about the fact that pretty much everything the humans have are supposed to be made from scrap
@ItsJustVirgil Жыл бұрын
I love the Artillery Plotting Utility. Great piece of software, massed fields of lead with just a click of a button. …What do you mean wrong APU? Also, I do appreciate the extra effort you go through to simulate leaning away from a microphone when the need to get particularly vocal about a particularly stupid design aspect arises. Very considerate for those with poorly optimized audio input.
@pa6L09 ай бұрын
In addition, without shields, a person between such huge cannons would have total shattered hearing and probably ear drums as well, so even with shooting training and firing a round from these rifles would result in permanent disability :)
@Comicsluvr2 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. A wheeled unit would be faster (legs are SLOW). Tracks would be more stable and might be faster. The reloading system was the dumbest thing ever. The fight scenes were still cool though.
@emilsinclair41902 жыл бұрын
Depends on the environment. Under ground, where you might need to cross obstacles legs can actually be more useful than tracks or wheels.
@christianwilson59562 жыл бұрын
I think the key here is that the robots switched from ranged combat to melee focus. Since in the animatrix they jist rip open the armored ones it makes sense to just get rid of the armor for more mobility similar to the design of the leopard 1.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
Its also to give the pilots more mercy when they are pinned
@jdprofanitybatman52122 жыл бұрын
When I saw the designs as well, I also thought they were ridiculous as well, less armored, and a little less capable compared to what you would see in other mechs such as the AMP’s from Avatar, Cyclops and the Prototype from Halo Wars just to name a few. But I like to interpret it as a sort of last minute thing for the humans due to the lack of resources Zion had at the time. Some of these comments interpreted the APU’s as a sort of construction mech for heavy lifting such as the Silverbacks from GOW for example which were used for heavy lifting and the Cog just added machine guns to it and called it a day. If you also recall from the Animatrix, they had fully armored APU’s and pilots as well, but later became useless because while they were heavily armored, it just basically acted as just canned food for later versions of the sentinels. Which explains a little bit on why APU’s in Revelations looks so underwhelming.
@jefflace49492 жыл бұрын
They're there because the movie would've went very differently if the squids came busting in only to find about 20 CWIS aiming at them.
@justsavv6378 Жыл бұрын
1 word A M M o
@magmat05852 жыл бұрын
Frankly, i'm just surprised by the lack of bullet jams with all that firing. Imagine trying to fix a jam with those guns, in a combat scenario.
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Better just to abandon the whole platform and find another.
@magmat05852 жыл бұрын
@@SacredCowShipyards Yep!
@meyatetana29732 жыл бұрын
I thought they meant Auxiliary Power Unit used to start aircraft engines without an air cart
@neonclear85002 жыл бұрын
Why do so many SciFi franchises have a problem with turrets? We have a gun that we know can destroy the enemy. We know where the enemy will come from, so instead of putting the guns on a stationary mount that is armored to hell, we're gonna throw it on an overly complicated machine that doesn't protect it's pilot from a stiff breeze, let alone a murder robot. Let's assume for a moment that you need the gun to be movable, would not a smarter idea be using the mechs to set up a tripod mount for the gun, and then screwing off to set up another one? You can also have a bigger ammunition magazine if it doesn't need to be portable. And turrets can be hydraulic assisted movement with zero electronics, so it wouldn't matter if they set off an emp And "Giant freaking machine guns" seems like a less than ideal weapon for your "Option A". Why don't they just have a bunch of those EMP things that the ships are capable of setting off staged all over the damn city like giant, robot screwing, SciFi landmines? Also, why was it when they got to their final stand point, they had crappy rifles to defend themselves with? You might not know where the initial break in is going to occur, but surly you know the point at the center of the city everyone is supposed to retreat to if the outer perimeter is breached
@discipleoftzeentch83842 жыл бұрын
all the criticisms are great. and correct. but the APUs *are* also forklift adjacent stuff for use in the shipyard
@battosaikenshin439 Жыл бұрын
My theory is that, the apu were originally supposed to have other handheld weapons and the chain guns are supposed to be the backup.
@DaveQZ852 жыл бұрын
They have handheld lightening gun that seem fairly effective on the Squids. Why didn’t someone attach a pair of beefed up those to an APU? Instead of firing the dumb slugs from the ATC tower, they could have added those in turrets and arced the lightning from one Squid to the next. They probably could have gotten it to travel up that initial breach.
@Para02342 жыл бұрын
The only way a bipedal platform would work if it would be able to prefectly replicate the movements of the host, so you can have the capabilities of, for example, a fully trained martial artist in a giant fucking robot. Needless to say, it's incredibly hard.
@DevWo3 Жыл бұрын
the only problems with the APU is of course as you mentioned, the term 'Armored Personnel Unit', when it does not really have any armor, and its reloading system as it endangers both the pilot and the ground crew.. the APU was designed to be able to walk through debris, and lets be honest, even before the incursion theres not really much room for wheels to roll through, and DURING the incursion, you had much less wheel room. we saw APU's walk through, jump through, and run through these obstacles with no ease, but it would have been impossible for a tank with wheels or tracks.. also you have to bear in mind that Zion focuses their metal production capacity as armor for their ships and those steel cased bullets, and not the armored personnel units; the files also mentioned on the animatrix that no matter how armored the united nation's APU was, the sentinels and the harvesters just tore through it. and yeah the mechanical nightmare maintenance thing might not as be as bad. its all hydraulics and electronics. Tanks, hover engines, or the war APUs were the real maintenance nightmares. this thing is all bare bones, its light in comparison to a wheeled armor, and the parts are easily replaceable (if you had the parts and the equipment) another thing to mention is the flying hovergunships suggestion: that would make alot of confusion in the battlefield, the docks (as compared to the living section of zion) does not have alot of flying area, and seeing as the APUs did not have radio communication, i think they would just start flying into each other, or flying into the flanking enemy... maybe a two crewed flying gunship could work last thing is the turret suggestion: that would leave no room for the ships, you'd have to make the dock bigger to allow flexibility on the guns - you dont want them shooting each other. we'd have to consider the ammo storage and feeding system for the guns, the automated targeting system, the crewing of the guns, and their electronics too.. if the gun is swarmed by sentinels its basically gone, but an APU can dodge. a fixed turret cant retreat down the corridor, but an APU can
@bulgingbattery20502 жыл бұрын
A more fitting name for it would have been bipedal mechanical combat unit.
@blackc1479 Жыл бұрын
Never thought about it before, bit there was another absurdity: Just spitballing, I would guess the suits are shooting something in the neighborhood of 40+mm. And the ammo cans are basically the size of maybe a medium to large cooler. ........ So each was what, 100 rounds max? They went through that in seconds. Plus I'm sure it would be handwaved, but that number of rounds wouldn't even fill up the belt feeder, much less allow for full tilt fire for God knows how long.
@stanislavkostarnov21572 жыл бұрын
at least its not a Kerosene APU, in case the main power is cut off... like an A320 has
@vgadoury Жыл бұрын
I think the answer is just "because it tries hard to be a Japanese scifi anime and thus it must have some form of mechs"
@ab5olut3zero952 жыл бұрын
The last few years, me n a fellow sci fi geek have discussed how utterly tactically incompetent most people in hollywood seem to be. This is yet another fine example of how the rule of cool overrode tactical sense
@y2kFUNtime2 жыл бұрын
Love the videos dude. Have you played any of the Ace combat games? I would like to see your opinion on the Alicorn
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Not yet.
@Nacalal2 жыл бұрын
I think the point of the APU was more to be a mobile heavy weapon system intended to engage small groups of sentinels that might follow a ship in more so than be a primary line of defense against a massive squid invasion force. As essentially a walking turret that likely wouldn't need to reload during a short fight with a small group of sentinels, most likely being made of salvaged tech, it does the job alright. As a "defense in depth" asset, it's really lacking though.
@Mourningstar-kc7ft2 жыл бұрын
Id heard somewhere that supposedly the apu had armor but it was stripped to increase mobility
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Which is sad, given its present "mobility".
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
Its to give the pilots a quicker death
@valkyrieknight5932 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to remind them that there was the SHILKA.
@RensStoryteller2 жыл бұрын
46 seconds in and I am already going from average fan to engage hyperdrive, pardon my poor knowledge of star ships.
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the madhouse.
@arbhall75722 жыл бұрын
I'd keep most of the APU the same. I'd give them kind of a wheelchair frame, two huge central wheels, then a pair of support wheels ahead&another behind so the APU can lean forward or back to have 4 wheels on the ground. The legs would be retractable for climbing as needed. Weapons would be on the back. The user would be armored, just for the sake of being worthy of the damned name!
@Andulvar2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, wheels. Something that needs relatively flat area's to travel in and can get stuck behind a fallen tree.
@12Mantis2 жыл бұрын
I'm partial to the tri-wheel design used for the Landmasters from the film Damnation Alley where each wheel is a triangular assembly of three that can rotate around so when a wheel hits an obstacle that just too large to roll over as is the entire tri-wheel instead rotates to roll over it. If I'm remembering correctly the vehicle was steered using hydraulics in the midsection to bend the forward and rear sections to either the left or right, but that was a large vehicle as well and I think the emphasis was on durability and ease of repair (it was a post-nuclear setting after all) otherwise a different steering system closer to what cars and trucks used would've been employed. Don't really like the way they did the weapons for those either. For instance they could've instead tried building modular weapons rails/pods for the shoulders that could've held either gatling guns or rocket launchers or even a mix of both and if possible integrate some of those lightning guns into the arms for a close range unpleasant surprise for any squids that try for a "hug" (Spoiler - ZAP!). Not to mention there wasn't much of a targeting system, let alone a way to share sensor information between APU's (or with the people in traffic control) so they didn't waste ammo firing at the same targets. Wait, were all of those controlled manually? I mean we saw the traffic control people using that mind/machine interface to direct traffic and keep an eye out for other stuff, couldn't they have used a similar system so a pilot could control a APU with finer coordination?
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Yup, entirely manual control. In fact, I think a requirement for being part of the APU Corps was that you /weren't/ a socket-head. And they "aimed" by way of tracers.
@12Mantis2 жыл бұрын
@@SacredCowShipyards Right~, cause that makes total sense, mmm, wait, no...no it doesn't. And tracers..... *all of that technology* .....and they go with tracers. I guess they really didn't understand that tech enough to even try jury-rigging a laser sight to those APU guns, then again if they did understand the tech they were using on a fundamental level then someone would've no doubt created an APU variant with a floater/flight pack for construction/scouting/sniping/etc/etc. I know if I was in that setting I would've been downloading all of the science and engineering skill packs that I could while exploiting the hell out of that socket interface for training/research/designing. But that's just me I guess, or ship crews were trained to avoid any potential redpills with transhumanists leanings.....
@vonfaustien39572 жыл бұрын
So something like fallout sentry bots with a more robust design for each leg wheel?
@12Mantis2 жыл бұрын
@@vonfaustien3957 While it would certainly be possible to go that route with the technology we've seen on screen (although.....I'm not sure if they have enough rubber/plastic available) that arrangement might be needlessly complex for something that needs to be durable and low maintenance for the cities small population and equally small industrial base. For the tri-wheel basic design in a city like Zion I was imagining something of a cross between a humvee and those T-1 mini-tank-like terminators seen in Terminator 3.
@DrewLSsix2 жыл бұрын
In universe its a pretty realistic representation of a rag tag militia that has never actually fought suddenly getting absolutely creamed by a professional regular army. Remember, the humans don't remember all the other times they fought and lost, they are repeating history they literally forgot. These eye-pleasing have a collective memory of hiding in a hole, running around the matrix like rodents, dying every single time they fight an agent, and maybe occasionally having run ins with squids on the surface where they might take a few out or even a bunch out before invariably getting picked apart. These people had zero opportunity to actually LEARN the art of war, and history is filled with theoretically smart people getting steamrolled on their first combat outing.
@thatonebritishidiot30372 жыл бұрын
as a robot/cyborg/mech enthusiast and transformers fan, the design of these things bus the hell out of me, where's the armour?! How hard would welding and/or hinging some scrap/sheet metal to it be? Speaking of transformers, I'm surprised you've not talked about tetra jets or the ark or nemesis yet, guess I should give money to the patreon if I wanna see that
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@thatonebritishidiot30372 жыл бұрын
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@dareka94253 жыл бұрын
The original military-approved, fully-enclosed APUs before the fall of mankind failed to defeat the machines. I don't think naked APUs will do much better. The APUs truly are turrets with feet since they have separate controls for combat and walking. They have to hunker down while firing the guns and limited to turning around on that one spot. Honestly, lining the whole shipyard with automated AAA guns like the sides of WW2 aircraft carriers could be more effective. They hoverships have an EMP device as a last ditch weapon but their base has no last ditch defenses. Artillery shells or RPGs with low yield EMP warheads could cripple more squids than a platoon of APUs. They could've fired one at where the cracks appear and crippled the giant drills before they got through.
@SacredCowShipyards3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's about seventeen different weapons/weapon platforms that the humies could have used that would have worked A LOT better than the nonsense they tried to use, but oh no, we HAD to go with walkers. Because walkers. Blessed primates.
@BartJBols2 жыл бұрын
@@SacredCowShipyards couldnt they just have stipped down like 5 or 6 hover ships to just hte hoovering and the emp and chucked one at the breech each time the squids attacked?
@bulgingbattery20502 жыл бұрын
Twin 20mm autocannons pack a lot of firepower.
@SacredCowShipyards2 жыл бұрын
Sure, just don't bolt them to useless platforms.
@captainofmysoul13552 жыл бұрын
I always figured that these things were last ditch poorly maintained technicals that are held together with whatever spare parts and hope they could strap to these battle forklifts. I feel like what little industrial capability zion had was devoted entirely towards their hovercraft, and these things were made with what was left laying around spare. That being said there are modern techincals that are better quality then the apu
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour of. Its just less horrifying that way
@ComfortsSpecter2 жыл бұрын
It sounds more like they just couldn’t be bothered, and didn’t have the resources to quip the mechas Also sounds like the military command of this place was struggling to keep up with anything Also sounds like that rack loader was never intended to be used during combat, but even the guys that run the carts didn’t know that it wasn’t intended to function this way
@ismaele3981 Жыл бұрын
I always thinking that these design of apu, was "justified" by the despair and lack of resources, at the time of the final battle. But, thinking again, not only humans have hovercraft (a technology that seems far superior to exoskeleton), but the sistem of reloading is a flaw...i men...the rate of fire against the squid will consume all the ammunitions in a minute, maybe two. Sorry for my english.
@casbot712 жыл бұрын
The Squids could have saved themselves a lot of effort with just mounted _semi automatic rifles_ and taken out each APU as soon as they broke through. There were enough squids that even _single shot rifles held in their claws_ could have devastated the Humies in salvo fire. While the creation of Human creations, technically they don't count as *Human vehicles* … pity, they deserve their own deconstructive critical dissection, for something designed to kill Humans they are not well thought out - Skynet could give them some pointers. As for the APU's … who knows, in *Matrix 5*; The Humans might have armoured gunships flying around inside Zion supported by armoured cars that are basically portable turrets. _Or their soldiers carry tripod mounted .75 calibre bolter guns… …_ What if they scaled up their lighting guns to vehicle sized and it could chain through a swarm? Or the machines break in and discover Humans now have directional EMP's.
@StarShadowPrimal2 жыл бұрын
The problem with the Matrix is that the best solution for the machines was just to make the matrix itself 2 layers, so when people rebel from the "perfect" society, they end up living in the simulated dystopian "real world." It would actually make the most sense if Zion and everyone in it (and thus everything in the movies) was also in a simulation the whole time. Humans get to think they're rebelling, but they never damage anything or put the machines at risk.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that the implication?
@adamthethird47532 жыл бұрын
There was a design proposed by the studio that had the person more-or-less encased with armor. But it was removed to make characters more recognizable to the auidence i.e."Easier to see". The weapons weren't on the back. That part you see where they 'slide' the guns along their hips 'loading' the ammuntion. Like chambering the first round on the belt. I agree their designs ... need improvement. A lot of the lack of armor and weapons etc. was attributed to "well, everything was scavenged. So much of it was made from parts they could just find". Which causes more problems than it solves.
@elliotyourarobot2 жыл бұрын
The Second Ren from The Animatrix shows why they took the armour off. Its just less horrifying that way
@glenmcgillivray47072 жыл бұрын
I see these things. And ponder how a squad of jeeps with Quad Gatling cannons would have more weapons, and be better protected. Leaving these poor construction units to actually build things without needing to ever meet the front line. They are fighting from flat battlefields pre-prepared. Stick those guns on trucks. Drive in circles. Already 10 times more potent and difficult to overcome. Armour the pilot and gunner position. Now far more potent. And the whole turret solution will allow easier reloading to boot! And we can even leave the APU machines to build and fortify the city, or fight in the living quarters with trucks holding the major passageways with maximum firepower, and safer reloading. We could strap more guns on each truck to boot, but then we hit the issue of disabling one machine removes a lot of potential firepower... Although some issued with extra barrels help us hold hallways safely when we cannot cram three or four machines in next to each other. Quadcannon ready to fight, just point me where the target is!
@ambassadorofreee38592 жыл бұрын
The thing about having mechs/bibedal walkers is tha they have the potential to trump tracked or wheeled vehicles in mobility. What you said about this APU thing is 120% correct tho.
@justinbilodeau52152 жыл бұрын
my ideal for a better mechs, make it armored, add hoverjet or Rocket truster (in the leg, foot or in a back) to add mobility and a high jump, ejection cockpit to increase the survivability, add melee weapons incase the mech goes into close quarter combat, hardpoints to add more weapons, more batteries, radars, reactive armor or sub arms, emp device, depending on its shape the four legged would be on front line because their claw or the magnet hand to grap on thing, depending on the loadout the two legged would act as a sniper or support unit.
@jonathancrosby15832 жыл бұрын
I also enjoy all 3 matrix movies it's just you cant really think to hard about the 2nd and 3rd ones or it ruins them cuz they fall apart