The best part of playing in a vanilla server is when someone does “/kits” and everyone starts ganging up on him.

-playing with friend -both join vanilla server -take roles -make friends with server owner -build bases -high player count -server loses funding -server shuts down - sad

I remember having to get the map off of google images just to know where I was goinv

Me: joins game Me: try to gather resources in military base Me: actually make good progress Random guy who join and use /kit: allow me to introduce myself

It's because is like The Walking Dead, at first the zombies were the main problem, but as the story continues zombies are less important and the survivors become more important.

You know what. I am in the same boat. I started playing when it was an unpolished, buggy mess, but still a blast. Then early on 3.0 hit and it was my favourite game on PC at that time. Me and my friends made so many great memories on it, and now I find it to be full of toxic PVP players, who don't really care for survival, but for PVP combat. I feel as though Nelson has just gone with what the modern community seems to like, rather than what he would want to add to the game himself. It's a real shame. I just hope that it goes back to its roots soon...

I try to only play Vanilla. When I play TPA servers, you end up fighting one guy and then 4 people teleport. I remember a time when you were better off making friends then enemies. I remember when finding a server with slots was difficult. I remember the hype of Washington. I remember when you would leave a fight, because it wasn't worth losing gear. I remember when there wasn't clans, just players wandering alone, trading when they found each other.

In my experience this is the kind of thing that happens to a game when the majority of it's player base, is children. Children typically don't appreciate the small things and just want to get right into the meat of the action. Edit: This is the same reason why faction servers fell out of popularity in minecraft and servers these days now run with formula of quick and repetitive minigames.

Why don't you host your own vanilla server? If 15k people undoubtedly agree with you I'm sure you can make something of it.

I got super nostalgia when I heard "2.0 version",I remembered when I would get home from school,hop on a server wih the boys,drink hot chocolate and just have a good time

So, i first started playing "Unturned" when it was a project in roblox, then, when it became standalone I kept playing it, I remember making servers with my friends, scrambling to get food and resources, really having a hard time, it was much harder. All my friends stopped playing in 3.0 and so did I. I still come back some times and not for much time.

I remember playing a bunch of solo Unturned and for the hell of it I made my entire base fit on a taxi that was coated in barbed wire, and after a christmas update it became christmas barbed wire

I miss Unturned 2.0, like back then the hardest things to find was a backpack and vehicle, they made it proper survival but had major conflicts, I hope that in 4.0, I want it to be a remastered version of 2.0

Adding car batteries were a non pvp mechanic

This happens with most “hardcore survival games” with pvp. Everyone starts off casually exploring, playing with friends figuring out how survive, finding and interacting with other players. Everyone slowly learns how to cheese or make the game as easy as possible so that they can solely focus on finding people to pvp with. Sucks that it always ends this way with these games but until someone who makes these games realizes that we need good and in-depth non pvp mechanics to play and mess around with or pvp will be the only thing people will care about. Base building, art creation, gun customization, maybe make crafting more in depth, etc. just need more shit to fo and give me a reason to do said shit

"the problem with Unturned" It literally became Rust with zombies and more "minecrafty" graphics.

Anyone remember when this was a Roblox game?

The problem you have with this game is the same problem I have with almost every survival game after a certain point. They almost all seem to shift focus towards feeling like traditional pvp or rp. I really like the early days in games like this where people are trying to actually survive and sometimes even working together instead of it just being another deathmatch game set in a different location.

I got steam just because of unturned😂

3 years later and my pc still sounds like a jet

It sounds almost exactly like what's happened with Minecraft. Younger community moves in, and the focus shifts from survival to pvp. Even in places like factions servers, people concentrate on raiding and hunting players, turning Minecraft into Planet of the Murder Hobos. It's probably a common trend with open world survival games, really.

You make some good points, and I agree with you. I just feel like the majority of the problems you explained are due to the servers that are available to play on, not necessarily how Nelson has made the game. I feel like it's down to some of the players who've made the game something it's not really supposed to be. It's great that we have all this freedom with it but the game has basically been turned from an apocalyptic survival game into a doughnut shop rp simulator, and it's all down to the servers that people make available. I recently opened a whitelisted server which focuses heavily on survival, I'd totally recommend something like that to anyone who feels the same way as you do in this video. grats on 120k btw ;)

RoboKast: Voices his personal problems with unturned like an adult People who only read titles: *REEEEEEE*

I still remember playing Unturned around 2015, it was my first experience playing with my friends (as it was the first time I got a PC that could handle it.) and we definitely had fun, the thing is, we had a pretense of "survival zombie game" and we remember always having to anticipate being frightened or pressured by the zombies and also the fact that there are other players. It kind of saddens me to see how much that shifted, and we do usually attribute these types of game shifts to new major communities, right? My only problem is that, well, what DOES define the game in general? Today's/During this video's Unturned? Or the Unturned many years ago? I think a lot of problems we do have with games we got to love early is the fact that the devs might be looking for something else, or worse, they come by a different perspective for their game which changes how it plays and deviates from the original game. The only personal experience of this is with GTA 5, It's a vastly different game but it went through such a player shift, the game went from grinding then being able to have absolute fun by car races and police chases, to dimwits finding it fun to take their air bike over LS and gun down every living player "for fun" as if it was the only point of the game. We can definitely attribute this to the shifting of the player population from one type of audience to another, accelerated by the fact that old players who enjoyed the old environment will hate this new environment and leave. I hope that we still get the Unturned you mentioned that focused on the survival and especially zombie aspect because at this point I don't think the game has it's identity in Lobbies where you find mere satisfaction in being OP. Now, I totally get why the younger viewers and players like this, they grew up being set in games that have this clear progression where at some point nothing is hard in the game, but my problem with that (Maybe it's just a generational thing...) is the original fun and thrill of the game is gone and now I'm treating it as a sport or a competitive ranking and not as a zombie survival game. Even though it doesn't seem that way a lot of the philosophies of todays' gamers usually like to align with that. Hence I drove off and switched to Simulators or RPGs or games that have an absolutely clear path to what kind of experience you will have and not drive you to immediately pace out the game to quickly get above, the fun isn't there anymore of the game itself because it ends up that players just flock the game and enjoy it because they found a stable source of dopamine from being a highly skilled player, I'm not saying no one deserves that point, they totally do, but I think if you took out the main unique points of the game that make it such a unique game (Zombie survival with blocky graphics and Multiplayer) then you are still striving for the same thing and able to maintain the same status quo. I want the game to still give me the thrill of the ever-lasting zombie horde and the rush of getting above the zombies and winning over the other players rather than going on and having a typical day in the base maintaining my dopamine generators. Edit: I definitely did not phrase my point perfectly but I hope it gets what I think across. And note; I have not played Unturned since the aformentioned 2015 first time experiences with friends.

"...and all that 𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗮𝗴𝗲, that was a good update."

Hopefully this news cheers ya up, Nelson said for 4.0 he is focusing A LOT more on survival and realism

Best part of vanilla unturned was the weather, especially if you played on the small cold map. It reminded me of what the Long dark is, but, easier cuz there weren't many dangerous animals in the wild. It's only when you found some that you had a 70/100 chance of surviving.

I remember back in 2.0 when you would get on with 2 - 3 other friends and split up on PEI and one half loots one side of the island and the other half loots the other half, then meet back up at the farms and start building your base.

Stealth. You can crouch in front of a zombie and hit it without it attacking you.

I play Unturned because of survival. If people want an arena battle, go on some different game.

I remember back in 2.0 we actually had to WORK for the stuff we get, there were no kits, no item or EXP multiplier, no spawning crap in, it all took actual work and effort to get a good weapon, good supply of food and water, a good car, everything took effort, and I loved it. Nowadays, you can't go into the server list without finding a /kits server or 5x EXP or 5x items, cheats enabled, PvP, spawning crap in, you don't need to work for the stuff you get anymore, which really takes away from the whole "free to play zombie survival game" and more of a "free to play PvP game" and it's really not what it used to be.

I remember playing in a server in that one snow map, i build a cool ass base, 2 floors, 1 living room, bedroom on 2 floor, 1 storage room on first floor, i worked my ass of to make metal walls, and then I left, next day I lost everything because someone glitched inside my base with the /tp, i instantly stopped playing that server

There was once a time when there was a balance between pvp and survival and that was the golden age of unturned

The removal of LAN was kinda stupid

Me and my friends always struggle when we want to find a server that’s pure vanilla

I noticed that yukon maps are mostly survival servers. I love the yukon map because people help each other out , supplies are rare and conditions are harsh.

R.I.P steam overlay

The zombies are irrelevant now it's like you said it's pvp

As a dayZ player i know the feeling. Public servers use to have full established bases and groups who would talk first shoot second on the original modded servers. Now the game is a massive death match

Why my unturned frame but the other game not frame, first play unturned there no frame after the next day i play again there no frame but after 3 hours frame and drop to 20 FPS can someone solve this?

Say you like Minecraft.Imagine if instead of punching trees,surviving, exploring caves and such, you just automatically dropped into the game and started getting attacked by a player with full diamond armor. You'd be pretty upset right?I think thats sorta his point.

7:20 WHY IN THE HELL IS THERE A HELICOPTER IN THERE?!

Make a server and call it "RoboKastSurvival" so that we can survive with you!

The day rocket was supported, was the day unturned died

every time i go to the server section i put vanilla on as its a ton more fun than playing where you get a shadowstalker mk2 and kill people for no reason....i really miss 2.0 with my friends :((

My problem with it is that it now runs at 15 fps on low settings.

I started out being a Bukkit server admin/wannabe back in 2012 but now I can fully develop my own plugins and soon SMPEarth will be brought to it's knees (they seriously have only 2 notable plugins which I could make in a week). I plan on making a server that incorporates huge elements from Minecraft factions, Rust bases--raiding--claiming, RuneScape(2007-09) map and lore/quests, Unturned nostalgia, and I can do it all with Java. I guarantee YOU could make an Unturned server that YOU develop to make a more permanent, Minecraft-like save state to the game. A perma-base everyone keeps their survival going, and a raidable base for the PVP/economy. This is a great example of a better mechanic, can't totally lose your stuff like Rust, keeps players in the game long-term because they literally have a reserved space on your hard drive.. With being a server admin the ceiling is as high as the developers, but as a developer the ceiling is infinite. #LearnToCode

I barely play the game. I used to a lot. I enjoy playing washington, gathering resources and staying out of PvP as much as I can. We built hidden bases so we could have a safe place to stay. But yet, our base gets overrun by some big bad veterans on the server; who are in a group of four and abuses the TPA and kit system to raid our base. Instead of coming preprared, they spam kits to shoot down our stuff.

Ohh... That's why I prefer to play singleplayer.

"It is the first game i played on pc" oh boy..

*Such a shame that such a great and truthful video has so many dislikes*

In 2.0 guns and vehicles, were fairly hard to find, I agree with you, now it just doesn’t feel the same, even thought there was lots of bugs and it looked worse, it was fun and challenging, and that’s what makes a game good.

Ronokast: "we must accept the game as it is as its not gonna change any soon" UNTURNED 4.0 : am i a joke to you?

man the good old days of 2.0, remember when the food bars and indicators were actually unturned? like u wanted to have 0% food instead of 100%? those were the days.

What is the background music at the beginning of this video?

Fun fact: Unturned actually started as a small zombie apocalypse game on Roblox named "Deadzone". In the early days of Roblox this was a front page hit and I have such good memories about it. The creator DeadzoneZacZack (A.k.a Nelson, don't know if I got his user correct) eventually left Roblox to make Unturned in the Unity game engine for Steam, the game was entirely free to play and one of the Steam free-games-you-must-own. I have such great memories and Nelson was a pretty nice dude, he'd add ideas that were suggested to the game and generally really enjoyed working on it.

This reminds me of Minecraft a lot and I'm not talking about the graphics, but how this game has evolved. I used to play Minecraft beta 1.7 and some earlier versions and it was a great, pure survival where you could do basically anything. Beta 1.8 implemented a lot of new things that were really cool and everyone was happy about it, but I already felt that something was not right because so much have been changed. And I wasn't wrong, a few updates later more and more people were realising that Minecraft is more of an RPG than survival, which is probably great for the new players, but older players(that played before September 2011) can clearly see it's a different game now. Unturned was pretty much the same: game wasn't very good at the beginning, but it was super enjoyable and nobody cared if it's polished or no, it was just fun. Since then I haven't played a lot, but I can see that new patches and tons of new stuff pretty much...maybe not ruined the game, but took away it's charm. In both games developers wanted to make good, big changes, but they completly changed the whole game and it wasn't good for many players. Btw sorry for any mistakes, english isn't my primary language.

I still remember when we found the chainsaw and we were all screaming of happiness

I played it a looong time ago when no one was on and there was like one gun, it sucked so I didn’t play again, then I got drunk and watched this video. The end

I think that everything you said is completely right. The survival aspect died in most survival games like in RUST and DayZ. You should totally search up SovietWombles video essay on DayZ and it's development. His videos describe how DayZ entered the stage, but lost it all to other games that had more identity. Btw, awesome video and you have a nice and calm personality!

I hate PvP but love survival

Let’s put it this way. Generally, young kids means no money, No money means they have cheap PCs, 4.0 and a graphics overhaul may mean higher requirements, This means no young kids, This means Unturned will be playable.

Well I think the Raiding overhaul was a step towards the more survival style as before it,anything could destroy structures. Now players have to grind for the Charges,Dragonfangs,Ect. Also I remember hearing somewhere that Nelson was taking Unturned II into a more survival focused game,which hopefully will bring back the older good members who don’t complain over everything and Unturned will be amazing and populated again.

Recent changes are mostly new maps with diffrent crafting recipes for each map thus i think at some point they should rework each map to introduce crafting stations making the game harder, but also allowing you to craft items from other maps. It would introduce a new step in the progression (that sometimes makes you use more materials since every maps crafting recipes do not cost the same some maps have more material requierments, but also give more space, or more structure health) The servers you play would be more diverse since the bases would not all be the same.

Yeah, crafting was a bitch, ammo was more rare, food was more rare and the WEIGHT LIMIT. It was quite a bit harder.

I totally agree, I feel like after 2.0 the game lost it's charm due to the reasons you talked about and became ''mainstream'' which was the exact reason I stopped playing it

I'm making a meele based map with a big city on the center how does that sound?

I remember playing this game before it even had online and me and my friend would call each other and play just not in the same world and it was still a good time I miss unturned :(

The squeakers I've seen in unturned videos make me want to grow up faster

Ohh i miss 2.0

I wish there were more yukon survival servers with no pvp It would be nice to see everyone struggling to survive together and coming together with a smol community

When I saw the old gameplay I almost cried.. It was such a good game holy crap

One of the better videos I have seen explaining unturneds problems in a mature manner, I have been around since 2.0. Went through and started 3.0 as soon as it was released with operation maple leaf. I have over 1500 hours and after august of last year I stopped. I still keep up with updates and watch all sorts of unturned content but playing the game nowadays like it is supposed to be played is pointless. Thanks

LOW PVP! MORE SURVIVAL! unturned need to find again the glory in the survival aspect!

I have problems when i am out of the road (with a vehicle) and when i get into the road at high speeds, my vehicle begins to vibe to the music

Damn this brings me back to tears.... ive been playing this since 2015 then ended in 2017, ive made really great memories surviving in single player making bases looting towns... playing with friends surviving making bases raiding other players with melee weapons or bows

I agree 100% I also think Nelson is making 4.0 more like escape from tarkov...

I think people stopped playing vannila servers because of the fact that people spent hours building a base and then loosing it all. Having no guns. The kits give people a chance when they die.

The background music is amazing! What is it called?

The farming and rainwater is mostly used in the winter maps I believe. It's been a while since I played but I think you can't grow crops in snow so you need lots of farm plots and rainbarrels.... you could go loot but becoming self sufficient in a winter wasteland is almost a little game in itself.

I miss playing vanilla but it isnt as fun when no one plays :/

You right !! Hard to fine a vanila server now ! It's suck :(

You basically hit every point that has been on my mind for a long time while playing this game. I too have been playing since 2.0. I love the survival aspects of the game. I love building a base and setting up a farm, oil drills and water barrels even if it's not really neccesary. I love discovering the lore behind maps and love discovering every note and npc interaction. Sadly it feels like all this has been pushed aside to make the game more like COD.

what map are you playing on here? looks sick.

2.0 was so fun i remeber it was so fun

Same, even rp servers are extremely rare and survival servers are only crap pve servers with no players

The thing I liked the most about 2.0 was how challenging this game was. Like I was soo proud of myself for building my first base and being able to settle down for the first time. It was actual challange. I even made a server for me and my friend on the world I built the base, becouse even though I had a base I still found that there is a challange to this game. Rn When you play singleplayer, you do everything you had to do in like an hour and there is no challanges left.

how can i get the scorpion-7 map ?

Make unturned great again pls Nelson.

I've followed this game from the start, from roblox to when it first went standalone. Game has changed greatly, but not all for the best.

I used to play so much Unturned back in 2.0, and freaking loved it. Hopping on every now and again it doesn't really feel the same, and I think you put what I was thinking into words

what's the map name you played on singleplayer?

As a player who joined in 2014 I couldnt agree more

I agree with your statement, robokast. 3.0's community is full of kids who want kits and free items. every other day on my server, i would get a kid doing /kits then leaving. i just want to play some damn survival. my dad and i have had such a great time on my server, just surviving. if only the ut community could realise the fun in non-plugin play!

Hey, i totally agree.What’s the map in the game?

It's so bad nowadays, I remember running a battle royale server back in the day, it was absolutely amazing, super populated, and many people loved it. There were times where we would drop random weapons such as RPG's on people, or we would troll people and vanish then shoot near them to scare them. Having so much fun with so many random people in the waiting room, giving people weapons to blast everyone while they wait, spawning in hundreds of rounds after hearing random people spam mics with "NEED MORE AMMO". Me and my friend were early in the scene on the kit servers, but they were custom maps designed specifically for PVP, we thought the PVE maps were good how they were with survival.

I completely agree with the statement that this game has become plauged with PvP ideals and needs to stop. Lucky for me and my friends we have our own private server to prevent PvP scum. Yet my heart goes out for those that must deal with the call of duty types that shoot anything that moves.

I get what you're on about, I only started November 2016 so I wasn't there for the early stuff but straight away I noticed people enjoyed the PvP side of the game, but as the game went on more and more people turned to the dark side of 'bandit/robber roleplay'. I play now on the Nylex Whitelisted RP server and the good majority of the players that go to apply try and force a military/bandit background, and every time I go onto a public server, people ask if I want to raid/PvP with them, you cant talk to anyone anymore on any server without getting robbed or shot. As Nylex said, the term RP has gone from Roleplay to 'Rob People', and unfortunately its true these days.

I haven't played in a while. I might take some time to go back and revisit it

Well, the only solution is we should make a pure survival vanilla server and we all gonna enjoy it.