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Pin of shame

@@TheFirstOkiro Got yourself a sub

Pin of shame

@@TylerSkylionChilders 💛💛💛

Don't know who's pushing you out, but you go I guess

@@QTRemnant this is the least self-aware comment in this entire comments section

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. Quit playing a victim. No one is pushing you out.

You tell 'em!

Exactly @May Kent.....It seems like some people don't know the true story of "Star Wars"

Someone finally says it

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Exactly. It is so clear to see. The amount of people who ignore how much of this is happening while acting like it is so amazingly progressive is just sad. It is incredibly disingenuous and makes for crappy characters and movies.

"REEEYYYY"

That's just about what we got lol

Misleading, uh uh. If this was a drive thru I'm speaking to the manager, I didn't get what I ordered lol I wished they went into more detail about his character, like maybe his haircut. The first order wouldn't have allowed that haircut. That was his choice. Would have been cool to see that. It's a part of Finn's individuality. He wasn't allowed to be a normal human so being human in a way is new to him since he wasn't allowed the luxury of good food, hologram programs, haircuts, life's pleasures, etc. I would say I'd like a finn movie or series but I think that's not possible anymore. John Boyega got burned out of star wars and I don't blame him if he doesn't wanna be in it ever again. What's weird is Oscar Isaac was willing to voice his character in Star Wars Resistance. When was that exactly? Wait no that was definitely before rise of Skywalker and before he made it public he didn't like where his character was going.

Billie Dee was a general this 2016 black guy is a janitor and thief and a traitor and I would've turned the part down

@@lesslycarthan956they made him as lame as possible for no reason, that always felt personal to me lol.

I watched The Force Awakens and at the end I was thinking "Finn bout to become a Jedi for real" - hell, the film is called "The Force *AWAKENS"* and the opening scene is a Stormtrooper *AWAKENING.* The foreshadowing was there. But no, black man becomes nothing but a simp yelling Rey every 5 seconds. 😴 Lazy writing, as Deadpool would say.

@@Xgil2Play wish they seperated aspects of Anakin and Lukes charcater between the two of them like maybe have Ray have a metal hand or arm but Fin uses Anakin/Lukes lightsaber to show them on equeal levels of protaganist.

@@Xgil2Play kimd like the bond between Revan And Bastilla in Knights of the old repulic (havent completed the game yet)

@@xelaplays4653 I respect what you’re going for but I don’t think the presence of a metal arm automatically enhances Rey’s character

@@Cdr2002 no better writer would though. but unfortunatley the sequels writing had no vision or writing skill behind them (the only good I can think of from them is the acting and the visuals)

yeah i think it's pretty telling that some people attack actors directly, but then again isn't that everything? People rarely blame the larger power. Disney doesn't mind that Ingram got those messages, in fact im willing to bet they counted on it with their history. They want the controversy because it acts as a shield for their terrible writing. It's easy to have natural diversity, but doesn't look as good or get as much attention

@@bobbyhill6828 And I lost Star Wars theory respect because of the twitter drama.

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo they're in a tough spot because u can't even call out the clear baiting so i do kind of understand, but yeah it makes me respect them less. People need to get their heads out of their asses

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Thor Skywalker to, guy try to be a fence sitter but clearly is anti SJW by the way he talks about issues in the fandom

Weird… Right

Moff gideon...

@OAwesomeO What films was Moff Gideon in? As a Giancarlo Esposito fan, I would love to know.

@michaelmarple8268 He was in the madolorian series. His character was freaking awesome and he had the dark saber

@michaelmarple8268 and he wasn't just talking about the movies, as he mentioned the new chick in the obi series. Who people didn't like because she took focus off the characters we all wanted to see. I never heard racist shit about her, just annoyed fans. I personally liked the character but agreed that her and Leia got the spotlight over obi and the show is literally his name! It was annoying

Having read many comments from other Star Wars KZfaq pages, many (not all, of course!) people who demonstrate racially-prejudiced views present themselves hard-core SW fans with a lot of lore knowledge.

@@seymssogood Most of them care about the political climate in the galaxy, whereas the side I'm on are more interested in factions, characters and history. We tend to be a lot more openminded, probably because we delve into character personalities and motifs, and not their surface-level traits like skin colour and orientation. There's a surprisingly large amount of niches when it comes to lore too. Something for everyone.

@@NorthEevee Yes. Saw is an interesting character because he's a window into what war can do to people. He fought in the Clone Wars and as much as they sacrificed much for victory, the rise of the Empire invalidated it all. Over time he became more desperate and extreme, even clashing with the other Rebel factions in pursuit of the mission. He's someone who's lost everything else, and only knows fighting. Only cares about victory. He shows us the side of the Rebellion that isn't idealistic and ethically inclined - lending complexity to the faction that we don't often see. Rebels and Jedi Fallen Order detail this more, and allow us to see his progression at different points. Rogue One shows us the end of that journey, when even Saw has come to the point of being tired of fighting. Both his attitude and appearance illustrate the toll war can take on people. It's sad really. He was on a relentless mission to uncover and stop the Death Star project, but he fell just short of getting to witness the triumph of the Rebels against it. Rogue One is honestly a good film. It really shows how much sacrifice it took to buy the Rebel's defining victory.

@@NorthEevee Yes, I've never cared about "race" and gender in Star Wars. It never factored in for me because it seems like such a petty concern. Even the universe itself largely ignores it. There's something to be said about the real-world aspect of it, and how disney uses progressivism as a marketing tool, but doesn't care about it beyond that. But disney doesn't represent Star Wars, they just purchased it. As for the Star Wars community itself: From what I've seen, they're open to anything and don't care about such superficial aspects as long as it's good Star Wars. Rey and Rose are disliked because they're bad characters, not out of misogyny. Most fans I've seen talk about Finn lament the way Disney wasted his character, and sympathize John Boyega - and the same can be applied to most of the sequel's cast to a degree. It has nothing to do with race. As for Reva(?), the fans see her as someone unnecessarily pushed to the forefront of a story that should only focus on Kenobi and Vader - and there are several other issues with that story already. As someone who venerates and reveres Kenobi, I'm particularly defensive about any form meddling with his character and story, and will not be pleased if the "bait and switch" turns out to be real. I also don't want Ewan and Hayden to have to come back for another Star Wars project only to receive more criticism because disney just didn't care about doing a good job, they don't deserve that. Disney is only using "diversity" as a shield for lazy work, and these complaints are the blowback. For all of his flaws, this would have never happened under Lucas . . .

@@AndrewAce. Don't have anything to useful respond with except that I read what you said and agree. Just thought I'd let you know since you've probably spend like 15 minutes writing that ;)

The most I can parishly add is that I don’t see George Lucas dropping the ball as hard as Disney Lucas film has with the treatment of their Black characters

@@TheFirstOkiro Naw, he wouldn’t. No way. He’d nail it. But they don’t listen to him on the story direction, they certainly wouldn’t listen to him on race.

@@Distractingly_Dope firstly because Disney is approaching Star Wars like a corporation. It’s one of the saddest things to think about when you realize that while George did objectively care about making money because any businessman does, you could see a Lucasfilm was his way of avoiding the problematic, profit driven, soulless machine of Hollywood filmmaking. Disney Lucasfilm has great PR but in truth they really are everything George didn’t want Star Wars to represent. No offense to the individual creators trying their best, but the culture of the Disney and Lucasfilmis far from what it used to be. It’s done good in some areas and failed in many others

@@TheFirstOkiro yea its very creatively.. stale and emotionless in areas. It's really just lacking in substance and message. The message of the sequels was.. hmm well in 7 and 8 is that Rey the no one became Rey the someone. Then 9 says she's a Palpatine. The main issue I see is Filoni, Jon, and the other great star wars writers haven't been given enough creative control or permission to make something really meaningful and lasting. One of the things that made the OT so great is the triumphant story of a farm guy that blows up the death star and learns how to become a Jedi. P. S. Disney star wars, apart from revisiting George's works, almost always lacks in substance and message within the story.

@@TheFirstOkiro I'm making my own little fan fic and I am struggling with the message. I think a nest one could be overcoming the ignorance of a community, or overcoming something a lot of people have to deal with. Maybe it could have something to do with mental illness. Where s character struggles with a mental illness and has to overcome it somehow. I'm honestly not that great at writing stories, but I like doing it and reading it over again the next day with a fresh mindset. I'm off on a tangent. Uhh.. so I a struggling with the message of my story. I guess that's it, also love the channel, it's really great to see you present your opinions, and you don't seem scared or anything to present your opinions. You don't shy away from pointing out the elephant in the room, as far as everything. One critique I have is that anytime you are criticizing something, make it clear that it is not an attack, it is not a personal attack. And to make sure others understand the difference between criticizing an art vs attacking someone's art. Alright I've made a long enough comment

Where? On the internet?

there are but not everyone (yes horrible people exist everywhere that is a life fact) , which disney wants to push that every one is

@@Draculas-knight Disney isn’t pushing that. Only people who get defensive about the fact that there are racist fans have it in their head that Disney is pushing racism so ppl won’t notice their shows are bad. Nobody doesn’t notice But we notice the racism Not acknowledging it is called dogwhistling

@@Draculas-knight I feel like we need a Black Star Wars

at least Ewan is trying

Even before the show came out, a LOT of people were giving it crap because supposedly according to some leaks Reva sidelines Obi-Wan in his own show(FYI no the leaks did not say that). So a lot of people went into it wanting to hate the show.

@@tomhur1 Did you go into it wanting to love it?

@@VesnaVK Nobody’s blaming the fans for the quality of anything. Literally, this is just about Disney as a company’s choices, and as a separate facet, racist harassment of people like Ingram. If neither of those apply to you, nobody is blaming you.

@@VesnaVK Who said I was blaming you?

Yeah it's just so crazy

The first movie had no people of color in it? Easiest recipe for racists to think they own something sadly

@@Cdr2002 Aliens of all different species? "wow coool" Different colored human "BOO!!!!!! GRR!!!!"

Most of those racist statements were made by Caucasian people. The reality is as simple as that and that’s why they’re called childish men. I was getting somewhere with the star wars prequels especially with the story then I lost interest and then I thought my excitement was to be reignited when the force awakens trailer dropped. After seeing reviews from social media, the internet showed their true colours. It’s a very strange world we live in racists fanboying over something that represents the complete opposite of what they deem politically correct or justifiable. Personally I washed my hands of this filth after the force awakens sequel.

​@@Rubythroatedhummingbird i even got harrassed by a star wars fan group for saying i like shipping characters, i was 15 at the time!

Disney did, screw Disney they’ve always been racist

Thats self drepicating and ignorant

@@victorhuertas4685 forreal, the world needs to do better

@@victorhuertas4685 Do you even know what self-deprecation is?

@@Arander92 do you?!!

I agree. To me the Racism problem with Star Wars, is that unfortunately there are racists that call themselves fans.

Isn't there a bunch of political commentary in the clone wars? I remember an episode where Ashoka and Anakin we're trying to take down a fascist Queen who sold togruta's (ahsoka's own people) into slavery. Need I mentioned there are scenes of them getting whipped? For not working? So that's fine but when they have a diverse cast member in a Kenobi show it's bad? That's sarcasm if you can't tell.

I agree , with you but people don't see the nuances they only see black and white not grey and the actor could be fantastic or horrible (depends on the person) , but you can always attack the script and the writers thouse are the problem not the actors (and I am starting to suspect that the writers throw under the bus the actors to save their own skin ) the actor has no power in the movie's (especially the young ones) direction that being said Moses acted her ass off almost as if they changed the writer or script mid season

@@rogueguardian indeed indeed

Let's not pretend that the kiddies Disney explanation-that the fans are just bigots-is what's really going on here. Fans don't give a fuck about the race of characters, they just want some well-written escapism, logical stories and believable characters. What they do give a fuck about is woke radicals ruining their favourite movies to lecture them about left-wing politics, race, gender, climate and the evils of capitalism. If you want to understand why they think this, then you'll have to listen to them and not some race hustler who dismisses them as racists.

@Jester’s Sketchbook This is why he’s one of the best! Calm, reasonable, and well read, as opposed to all of the angry-ass ranters out there. He really is one of the better channels.

Ahmed best played a minstrel caricature

A good summary. Thanks. I didn't know about Jake Lloyd. Poor guy, paranoid schizophrenia is serious.

@@tyronleung5276 Jar Jar is based on Goofy

@@juliuscaesar2912 where you think disney merry melodies/ looney tunes Fleischer Tex Avery harvey rubberhose cartoons even clowns are based on? ... minstrel shows

@@tyronleung5276 Jar Jar is not a minstrel. Yes, the Disney characters originate from minstrel characters, but the characters as they exist now are nothing like it. Do you comment similar things about the character of mickey mouse? So why not Jar Jar. He's in no way a stereotype. I'd argue that trying to say that is a little insulting to Ahmed Best's performance, seeing as he came up with Jar Jar's mannerisms and saw the character as a way to inspire awkward kids

From the fist trailer 💀and in the end she had the least amount of screen time of Kenobi or Leia

Star Wars Theory will do precisely as you described and then he goes "nah it's not racist" lol

For real. Moses is an amazing actress. By the end of the show, Reva was one of my families favorite characters and I really want her to lead her own spin off. She had less time and lore to work with and she still killed it

Oh no, the kid who played Leia is the worst. But whatsherface wasn't great either. She certainly wasn't intimidating and the writing? Being stabbed by a lightsaber TWICE and survived! Ridiculous.

I thought she was written pretty badly though. But she's by no means the worst part of even that show

🤣🤣🤣neonazi school shooter🤣🤣🤣 Weirdly, I was a Reylo shipper. I felt Finn as a brother type figure ( Not the kissing type of brother like like and Leia though)

In The Force Awakens Finn and Rey had chemistry together in that film. I really hope it would build up more, but then it was ignored and replaced with Rey loving Kylo Ren, it didn't make a lot of sense and turn the films inconsistent with one another. This happened because of Disney think more about their Chinese audiences more than the whole world who tolerates or can handle interracial romance.

How about we gut you a t shiirt saying I'm white but I'm not racist. I'm glad you got a chance to virtue signal

It's more like, I had stated in a thread that I thought the obi wan kenobi show was poorly written and poorly acted. Immediately was told it's because I'm racist and I'm only critiquing the show because there's POCs in it.

@@michaelcraig537 I think that's a pretty different opinion With a lot of people who are critical or criticizing Moses Ingram's performance, I think a lot of them are racially motivated.

@@theblasteffect4499 there's more than just white people critiquing her performance. I imagine they're just expressing their internalized racism? 🙄

@@theblasteffect4499 But how do you know they are racially motivated?

THANK YOU. People go "I'm not doing it therefore it's not a problem." YES IT IS. Look, I thought Rey was terribly written, but it has nothing about "feminist agendas" or any reactionary buzzwords- it's just that the writing was lazy. And that doesn't mean there weren't misogynists criticizing the same character! It's okay not to like Jake Lloyd's performance as Anakin, but can we at least say that he had no right to be bullied? It doesn't matter where the attacks on Kelly Tran came from, the fact that she was chased off social media is the issue! The fandom is so callous and protective of the toxic element in their own numbers.

Why wouldn't they get defensive when someone says "the fans" like you just did? Racists used this argument a lot against whatever race. IDK what to tell you other than just call out the actual individuals who are bullying and being racist (call out the company if it's the company), but that's just my opinion. Personally, I stopped caring about racism after learning about it in history. I'm not going to get all hung up or have my feelings hurt because I was called a terrible word, especially since the racist is the one with a problem. Again, this is just me and me alone. I don't think she deserved or should have received these comments and I'm not saying that they don't exist when there is clear evidence.

@@QTRemnant I feel that fandoms need to be accountable for their membership. They get scapegoated as a whole because of these attitudes. If they're permissive towards toxic behavior, they become part of the problem.

@@Tareltonlives And while you're over here trying to make the whole fandom accountable (that's a LOT of people), the toxic minority go back to living life as normal.

@@QTRemnant Because the fandom won't hold them accountable. That's the fandom's fault, if you knew anything about logic.

I still have to check that out in a deep dive. I remember you telling me about it but I’ll definitely check it out next time I tackle this issue in a file a video. Thanks for the kind words friend

Book of Boba Fett is super suspicious how they seemed to pull it after a really short season. Do they really have so little faith in POC leads? Or in trying to add depth to fanboys' power fantasies?

​@@TheFirstOkiroHey,I have to inform you that Disney took freemaker adventures off of Disney Plus for whatever reason.

That’s just gonna sound like a 2016 ghostbusters but Star Wars edition

Your actually displaying racism Oh the irony

Good point . Black doesn't equal woke nor should it. We care about story elements too, not being cannon fodder for political agendas.

Exactly. Racists these days also play coy when they're called out on it. They know what they really mean when they use the "woke" word.

How are “PoC” fans being treated? And why lump them all in a group?

@Infinite Possibilities Because the term is stupid. It’s a euphemism for the term “colored people”, and people like to pretend it has different implications than that term since it’s associated with segregation. Okay? And have white fans not been treated like shit? Why are you lumping together a huge group of people based on race and saying they’ve all been treated a certain way?

@Infinite Possibilities Here is an even better question: why isolate white people from everyone else with that terminology? Seems strange if you claim to be against racism.

@@UnkownSoldier100 Acknowledging that there are people with different skin colors and recognizing they are treated differently is not actually racism.

We wouldn’t need to keep having these conversations if LucasFilm got rid of all its ideologues ruining this franchise.

100%

What makes that ironic is in the comics, A-train isn't even black.

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Reva isn’t even that loud imo

They haven't even given her a chance!

What do you love about her? Like her character is written as such a stereotype, I’m genuinely curious.

My only problem with Reva is that the heroes are mostly white and she is the only black person, you know the main villain

@@MakiPcr So would it be better if all the heroes were black and the main villain was white?

You know whats funny, I think this all started to get bad when The Force Awakens first came out.

JJ had an original script for The Force awakens and it had Finn & Rey being revealed as force sensitive after Maz Kanata showed them the Skywalker Lightsaber, that and Finn had a MUCH BIGGER role in the original script than he does in the current movie. Blame Disney for making JJ change his script in order to sideline Finn for Ep 8. We were going to get something amazing from JJ and his crew but because of Disney bowing to racism, not giving them more much needed time (Because originally, Ep 7 was supposed to come out in Winter of 2016. Bob Iger who was the former head of Disney said no to this.) and sidelining the one character that would've brought in that very much needed diversity through a Black fanbase, The ENTIRE ST suffered as a Result. If you don't believe me, just watch Okiro's video on Finn The LOST Protagonist. It's an excellent deep dive into how Finn is the real protagonist of the ST and how sidelining him really just hurt the ST overall. I recommend you watch it.

It’s such a tragedy because imo he could’ve been one of the greatest characters in Star Wars. Thanks for your comment 💛

That’s my problem too. People claim bringing Moses into the show is woke, but how? It’s diversity. I hate how people associate woke with diversity. They’re DIFFERENT

@@Us3r739 Also somehow The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett are mostly free of ‘woke’ criticism even though they have even fewer white male performers than the ST or Obi-Wan Kenobi.

What is the difference between wokeness and diversity? I always thought “wokeness” was the far right term for including women, minorities and LGBT people in stories.

@@GrapeCheckerBoard it’s including LGBT. It just doesn’t belong in any media. So stupid flawed logic. Hope America bans it entirely

@@LinkMarioSamus People hate women more than they hate men of color

*Moses

Poe was supposed to have died in film 1.

But China 😭😭

Finally, a reasonable comment.

It is quite obvious that you do not know much about what truly happened in the ST period judging from the first sentence and the idea that this was a "minority". Yes, there was a lot of criticism about Finn's and Rose's writing but that can be completely disconnected from the racist comments and behaviour of many many fans. Take this from someone who heavily criticised the writing choices involving ALL characters of the ST. Then your comment about Moses not being a convincing actress... well, everybody has their favorites and their taste. let's just say I heavily disagree.

@@alienobserver21 Do you have any evidence to suggest that a large portion fans didn’t like the sequels because they’re racist? Especially considering they’re demonstrably incompetent, horribly constructed films from any reasonable standard.

@@alienobserver21 the opposite of minority is majority so using your logic there are millions of racist Star Wars fans that attacked and continue to attack people of colour working on Star Wars.

@@R3LiC77 dude, implying it’s a minority makes the problem appear much smaller than it is. Basically everyone who agreed with how Finn was treated in TLJ for instance had a negative bias against his character and possibly so because of racist thinking patterns. Shippers who sidelined Finn and saw him as not suitable mostly felt this way because of racist thinking patterns. Just to give examples. And yes, these are millions of people overall I’d say.

The topic of my video isn’t if fans are racist. Even if a few individuals are actually in fact racist. Because I doubt Moses made up her statement about getting racially harassed. Regardless of whether or not you like the writing, there is an ocean of difference between criticism and actual racism, something both Star Wars fans and Lucasfilm itself has to lear

@@TheFirstOkiro I see where you're coming from though, for real, I just wanted to make sure you knew that a lot of people just want better writing in general

Here you go www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/3y8npq/pol_the_force_awakens_uses_antiwhite_subliminal/

Thank you 🫡

My brother is convinced that she's gonna be sympathetic and be redeemed because forced diversity; but Disney has taught me never to trust them in such matters so I wouldn't put past them to kill her

theres actually been a new leak from the same guy saying the ending has been changed and reva survives because of plans for s2, so we seriously don't know anything lmao

It’s ironic given that everyone thinks the fandom treats them bad, but it’s Disney that treats them far worse. I think in general, there is a problem with how characters in Star Wars are depicted Women are not giving any complexity. Men are made out to be incompetent. Characters of color are usually just props. It’s unfortunate. It’s not the case all of the time, but it is a problem

@@TheFirstOkiro Yeah it made me really reevaluate and appreciate Lando in the OT. The fact that he redeems himself and ends of being the hero who flies the millennium falcon in the end and destroys the Death Star was pretty ahead of its time. I’m not sure if Disney would have the guts to do that nowadays since it can’t be easily edited out or sidelined for the Chinese release.

YOU'RE RIGHT I was wanting Mace Windu to come back for yearsss I hope it's still possible