I think the passenger was being held against their will.this needs reporting.

Charging EV is cheap now enjoy while it lasts, Governments will increase the price to recoup lost fuel duty/ VAT as EV’s ownership reaches a certain level.

My neighbour has a new electric car and found out all the problems the hard way 1. Theres no drive ways here so you can't charge your car on your property and the cord has to run across the pavement. 2. The only place for a charging port is inside the house so you have to run the wire through an open window (its very cold here). 3. They don't charge quickly so if you suddenly find yourself needing to go to work or drive more than expected, you've got a problem. 4. Theres no charging stations here so you can't recharge anywhere 5. Even if you could charge at a station (that has yet to exist), no one has the time to sit around for 30 minutes + in their car waiting for a reasonable charge to continue their journey, its just not practical. Its like googles plan to play games exclusively online on all kinds of platforms... but forgetting that most people don't have internet speeds even remotely close to whats needed for this to be possible.. Electric cars are the future... providing your lifestyle checks 10/10 boxes, otherwise its a major hinderance to whats already available..

Can I just use 2 of your quotes here.... “ an ordinary , basic , boring car”.... “ £30,000”......

I don’t think your passenger likes electric cars , she looks well pissed off 😤

Thank you! This was very helpful in my decision making process :)

It's good to hear a well thought through opinion from someone who is well informed, relatively unbiased and who has personal experience. Thank you.

What an informative and insightful video. Great job and thanks for your work.

Why free charging, somebody has to pay, including petrol car drivers, nothing is free!

I have a Hyundai Kona EV and nearly always charge at home. On long journeys I have learned one thing. Avoid Ecotricity!

somebody has to pay the "free" charging.

Motorway services charge more for all kinds of fuel, be it electric, petrol, food, coffee or whatever. It's always been the case.

This sort of thinking amongst new tech start ups: “charge 💵 first (preferably on a subscription basis), ask questions later” is terrible

Very good rant! I love EVs but can’t afford one the size I need.

Great way to sum up. You echo my thoughts completely. I’ve driven ev’s but still waiting to buy one.

Most helpful review. Excellent - learned a lot!

In all these reviews re EV's no one wishes to discuss the life span of the LI batteries, their replacement cost, nor on the effect it will have on the resale value of a used motor car. As far as I can tell, there will not be a used car market as the battery bank replacement will (at its current pricing) surpass fifty percent of the value of the average used motor car. Potential buyers will be loathed to purchase a used motor car, knowing that its batteries will need to be replaced shortly. Ultimately, these unsellable motor cars will be scrapped, or sold for parts since there will be no market for them. The used motor car market will cease to exist in its present form.

Having been a breakdown and recovery driver I can categorically say that once these have been in a serious accident I and my fellow drivers would not touch them with a bargepole due to NO training from the manufacturers as to how to check if the vehicle has actually become live, the charge these vehicles carry will kill a man. Would you going to touch it to see if the bodywork is live?

Once again, good presentation, interseting content and lots of intersting camera angles. Finally subscribed.

This is brilliantly balanced and informative. Thank you

Thanks for telling it as it is.

Great video Jay! I think electric cars are absolutely perfect for people who view the automobile as appliance. It's ideal for folks who just want to commute and run errands. I hope internal combustion engines will still be available for petrolheads. High performance cars don't get driven all that much anyway (I don't think), so the impact from this small number of vehicles may be quite minimal. Cheers!

It was good to see the East Neuk of Fife in this video! I hope you enjoyed your time in Scotland and the weather was kind to you! Did you get the chance to visit the best chippy in Anstruther for a fish supper? The one overlooking the harbour.

Thanks for the video, very informative....

I found it interesting that you found some charging stations that charged enough per kwh so as to make the electricity just as expensive to drive as gasoline in terms of how far you can drive relative to how much you spend to fill/charge up. I've never heard of that situation here in the States but I won't be surprised at all how quickly that situation comes around as electrics become more main stream.

Nothing is ever for free. Somebody pays.

Great video! Very eye opening ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Perfect choice for couples. My husband has the gasoline-powered car and I am getting and electric for about town. So we have a choice of cars for the trip we're taking -- we go in his for long journeys in his, and will zip around town in mine.

Interesting comments, take your passenger for an exciting night out

Thank you for a very enlightening and informative and refreshingly unbiased look at electric vehicles. It is true that I can see the reason for the them to exist but as you say, the technology hasn't quite caught up yet. If the promise of the new 10-minute charge batteries becomes reality, and when charging points are far more available they will be much better proposition. I have a problem where I cannot park outside my house - in fact I can't even park on the same street sometimes - so home charging isn't really an option. And finally, I'm concerned about the fact that the cost of ownership of an electric vehicle is currently being kept artificially cheaper by the government's incentives (shame they can't do something about the purchase price). What's going to happen when those incentives stop? And also, once the government has lost the revenue from petrol and diesel sales, where's that money coming from? You can bet your bottom dollar car tax will be introduced on electric vehicles, or some other form of tax to recover those losses. And don't believe they won't do it. Do you remember decades ago when we all shifted from petrol to diesel cars because diesel was cheaper and lasted longer because of better economy... diesel used to be cheaper than unleaded for obvious reasons: petrol is basically refined diesel, so it cost more to produce. But as soon as the government realised it was losing revenue they hiked up the tax on diesel.... so it's not like they don't have a proven track record in these kinds of shenanigans.

Very interesting and informative. Thanks

Yes try one in the middle of winter, when it is below freezing. have the heater , wipers and lights on.Drive here in the hilly cotswolds, and just see how far you get on a charge.

It'll be interesting to see how EVs cope with being second-hand vehicles. And how independant mechanics will need to change in order to deal with them.

Here in Melbourne Australia, in summer if everyone turns on the air con at the same time, the drain on the grid means they sometimes have to shut the power off because it cant meet the demand. I hate to see what happens when millions of cars are all plugging in.

Excellent review. Certainly gave me a lot to think about.

Very useful video. Not quite ready to take the plunge yet...

It's the nose dive in value that screwed me over and scared me back to petrol.

Finally some logic and sense on the topic of EVs and hybrids

Btw. You can convert your petrol or diesel engine to natural gas for about 3-4000 euros and the state will pay 33% of the cost (here). Your car will be warm during winter months and the range will always be the same despite the cold temperature.

JayEmm calls it 'a rant and a rave', but this was a high quality presentation. JayEmm has the knack of encapsulating his impromptu thoughts in clear, well organised language so as to create a balanced narrative. A natural lecturer . . .

I'm not buying anything I can jump start off my iphone.

Only £33,000. I'm out

Great video as usual like the outside format, can you advise on how to look after ev's during the lockdown please

Great report, well balanced keep up the good work

@JayEmm on Cars I think your subscriber base is very interesting - there’s a lot of bile here. I think your piece was well balanced. Despite the many comments - batteries do not degrade like phone batteries, and the car is likely to die before the battery (so far I have 0% degradation on my EV over 2 years/20,000 miles, and that’s common). They are reliable and easy to live with for a certain type of use, but you have to have off-street parking at present for it to make sense - charging every night, overnight, makes EV ownership pretty much pain free as 99% of the journeys most people make never exceed the range of the typical EV provided you always leave with a 100% full car (which you will have if you plug in when you get home every day). As a second car, an EV is a really good (and yes, cheap, option) - but at present you still need an ICE car for the long journeys. That’s changing as the charging infrastructure is improving, but it’s not there yet. It would be good to see you review a BMW i3s - they are seriously fun with linear acceleration to around 80mph (hence feeling much quicker than the stats suggest) and low center of gravity and good handling.

Big problem is charging, like people who live in terrace houses, like most of the UK, how do they charge?

This rant and rave was a very nice listen. Considering the ‘19 EV in the US. Not too hard to find...at least online.

Excellent job. Thanks.

It takes me 5 minutes to fill up my gas tank and I’m on my way. Very convenient.

Kia engineered the initial take off to be like that to stop it shredding tyres. It's not an inherent trait of EVs.

Great realistic review. The point about having a completely different mindset is so so true. The main problem for me is charging which you touched on. You constantly hear that there’s “loads” of charging points but the problem being that when you get there, there is only 2 or 3 “pumps”, which are usually in use, and are in use for around an hour. As EV’s become more popular this problem is going to get worse. In the city of York you can park for free with an EV so people literally park at the charging station all day. Which brings me to the point you make about the Kia being a great run of the mill everyday car. If it’s required for the sake of a means of transport then one way to completely remove ownership anxiety, is to remove ownership. Again, completely different mindset required, but think of them like Boris bikes. Obviously either you’ve got to get to the car, or the car has got to get to you but clever companies will get round this.

Very informative, thankyou

I would like to see the cost and reliability of owning an elect. Car over 100.000 miles and comparable cost to the same size vehicle of a internal combustion car

Have embraced the idea already and I've booked a good test drive with the new honda e in March I'm genuinly excited, I couldn't give up a combustion engined car but a cheap electric commuter car is what I want, which means I can keep the weekend toy purely for fun!

Very informative thank you

Make more videos. I feel I understand something at last. I own a Hyundai so I know where you are coming from with the Kia. You talk the language of understandable common sense, thanks!

And three times as long to charge, all to reduce a plant food in the atmosphere.

You have convinced me to NOT get a EV for at least another 10 years, that way they should have ironed out all the problems.

Thanks Jay. I am on my second e Niro. Only issue for me is very slight jittery ride, lack of led lights, and phone app. It’s by far the best car on the road for the money. Also guilt free driving. The Kia e-Niro U.K. interest group on FB has 100s of very happy owners. Also the e Niro has an incredibly residual value. The depreciation is almost zero at the moment due to supply and demand.

This was one of the better analysis of electric vehicles that I have seen. I live in Texas. I like the idea of an electric car. But it won't become a serious option until recharging on the road becomes as convenient as filling up at a petrol station. This means the manufacturers must have a common charging connection that will work at a universal recharding point, as is the case when filling up at a gasoline station. And energy suppliers, i.e. BP, Exxon, etc., or similar vendors, have a lot of recharging stations. It also means recharging points in apartment houses, hotels, motels, etc.

If electric cars start to become as common as ICE cars governments will move fuel tax to EVs and the economics will really change. IMO to drive private cars off the road altogether.

"Charging is my biggest current issue" Lol

the best way I think for long range would be to be able to swap the battery pack at service stations.... kind of like cordless drills....all brand cars use a standard pack , Solar panels to help keep new packs fully charged

Hope you enjoyed your trip along the East Neuk of Fife in Scotland beautiful country shame your passenger was so glum.

For electric cars sales take off they have got to realistically priced. When they are below £10,000 with a 250-mile range then they'll become a genuine alternative for the masses.

My nearest charging point is 4 miles away at a supermarket. I buy a car so I don't need to walk and carry all my stuff.

In Alaska, there are parking meters that have a receptacle to plug in your car's block heater in the winter. perhaps if charging circuits become standardized, parking meters in the city can have a button for 2 parking rates. Regular parking fee or parking/charging fee. Knowing that the public can break an iron ball, charging will be pricey to pay for the installation and upkeep of the receptacles/chargers.

A very very good video, extremely informative and very much in 'the real world' of everyday experience, you even narrated it going along whilst driving this car. Yes, I agree, this particular car is my first choice too, even tho I would'nt have otherwise have gone for a Kia brand. Actually, I would prefer to choose another Jazz, but Honda don't make an electric Jazz and , as you say, Hybrids are really pointless. Thanks for a really good video, you are easy to listen to and honest. Best wishes from Alan, in Norfolk.

Going to check the e Hiro out next year I do almost all my driving within a 50 mile radius of home so sounds pretty good

Living in London how many have drive ways? It's a big job even finding a space when you're a resident permit holder..

Excellent presentation!

A really interesting video, thank you. Over the last 55 years we have had 17 cars starting with a 1934 Hillman Minx Coupe and currently a Toyota Prius. The highlight was a Triumph 2.5PI which did 17mpg and went like a rocked when kept in tune. Currently we have a Toyota Prius. We are seriously considering an EV because we have PV panels and Christine, the driver, is quite hard of hearing. Range is important to us because we do some longer journeys. We have had a demo of a Kona which was a nice car but it made noticeably more noise than the Prius so we are currently awaiting the arrival of the VW ID3 which looks as though it will suit us well.

One of the best, most honest, professional and factual reports I have seen in a very long time! Well done.

£33k FFS

Here is the other issue that no one seems to bring up. The batteries are drastically effected by severe temperatures, cold and hot. Last winter here in the USA several Automobile executives driving electric vehicles were shocked (I'm not sure why) that the range was drastically reduced with severe cold. I live in the South where the heat plays a big part in battery life. Electric vehicle range is also altered by running heat or AC. So unless you live in a sweet spot for climate, you will be running your heat or AC. Just wanted to put that out there since no one seems to be talking about real world conditions.

It's fairly easy to understand why people ask about the range of electric cars and not that often on combustion engines!!! You gave the answer later on, but until we have the same availability of charging stations as we have regular fueling stations, it will be a great question. And then there's the speed of "filling up", because you can fill up your old big Mercedes with petrol under 5 minutes, which you can't do with electric cars (yet). And that issue only gets amplified when you're not the first one to get to the charging station. When you get to a gas station and there are 3 cars in front of you, you expect to wait (say) 10 minutes before it reaches your time to fill up. If those were electric cars waiting for their turn to charge, it could be somewhere between 45 minutes (if everyone charges just a little bit) to 3 hour plus before it's your turn to charge your car. That is a major issue, and IMHO justifies every single question about range on electric cars. I love new technologies and I would buy an EV today under the right circumstances, but for the most part they're not as convenient as a regular combustion engine car.

Depending on the time of year, using headlights, heating, phone for satnav, that's all battery drain. And electric is still fossil fuelled. Then add on fuelling times in real time and distance. I can fill my F31 in a couple of minutes and loads of fuel stations and get the best part of 600 miles. Electric? How many filling stations can have enough space for 20 cars all topping up for 30 minutes to do another 100 miles? EV is great for your nan to go to the shops...

Some petrol driven cars have problems but very, very few will need a full engine change. However EVERY electric car will need to replace the battery - some a lot sooner than others. AutoExpertTV in Australia recently highlighted a Nissan Leaf having done 80,000km which began to experience a drastic drop in range and I mean DRASTIC. 40km or 25 if you use the heater !!! But the battery can be replaced - for which Nissan quoted 33,000 dollars [Australian) Electric vehicles have got a long way to go before I buy one [and I don't only mean better range]

Thank you for the video, I found it interesting. I think people don't realize how much work it takes to do a video like this with multiple cameras and all. I especially enjoyed seeing the English/Scottish countryside, with cows and buses and so on. It had a bit of a travelogue flavor to it... I own this car in the U.S. I am lucky enough to live in WA state, about 150 miles as the crow flies from Grand Coulee Dam. Electricity is about 10.5 cents per kWh. The car averages nearly 4 miles per kWh so it costs me about 3.5 cents per mile, compared with 20 cents/mile for my truck (15 mpg) and about 15 cents/mile to drive my Highlander (20 mpg). I realize that a subcompact car would narrow the gap, but right now I'm saving a tremendous amount of money by not buying gas. Currently, it's my daily driver and work lets me charge for free. I pick up about 40 to 50 miles a day charging at L1, but my commute is about 25 miles round trip. I have purchased and installed an L2 charger, but it is like this fellow says, it's not so important to "fill up" the car any more, its more of an incremental approach. In fact they say it is easier on the battery to stick with a partial charge and that they are just fine with being at 50% charged most of the time. I have not done a road trip yet, but we hope to drive it eastbound about 300 miles to a vacation home. I anticipate that the L3 charge will cost me around $25, which is way more than at home, but a necessary evil to save $75 over the ICE car for the round trip. I like the car, I think your description is accurate. It's not on par with a high end BMW or Lexus or whatever, but it's pretty comfortable and fun to drive, so I'll begrudgingly forego the sunroof. Whether we can all drive EV's, I don't know, I realize that the power grid everywhere else doesn't match what I'm accustomed to. I also like the low maintenance aspect to it, no more oil changes, tranny fluid changes, timing belt replacements, spark pluges, etc., etc. etc.

A great video, I really enjoyed the watching. I've just got one bijoux issue to take up with you regarding the Cost of refuelling these things vs today's Rapid Charger networks (as distinct from any of the Destination Chargers that are mostly free, at least outside of London). I have ICE and EV in the family home. Going by my own circumstances; British Gas is the cheapest supplier in my postcode (for me and my domestic use case). Based on my domestic tariff and the EV car's own efficiency in use of the kWh charge - EV = 3p/mile. Rapid Charger networks skew that of course because their own cost per kWh is higher. And so; InstaVolt = 10p/mile, Polar Plus = 2.8p/mile vs my Hyundai i20 diesel using my local Shell Diesel = 13p/mile. Other Rapid Charge networks costs are similar ... So it does vary a bit depending on where/what you charge up by. And if we get a Free Vend then its 0p/mile. Bargain.

Av just sold a TVR & bought a lotus Evora. Result👍🇬🇧

Interesting stuff (although I disagree with you on electric cars) - very informative and as is so often the case you point out the nonsense that we read/see other reviewers say, e.g. the 'instant torque'. But who buys a 30 grand car to 'save money'?

One added cost that is not usually mentioned is vehicle insurance. All electrics seem to run about $15,000-$20,000 more than the equivalent gas vehicle currently where I live. That will jack up the annual insurance cost quite a bit. Also, if you have a VAT tax where you live that will add to the cost as well. And don't forget the initial taxes on that higher price. . .

Your authoritive manner, and lack of idiotic jokes, etc. led me to watch the entire video, interruption-free. That is not my usual KZfaq experience. Good work!

your passenger was making me feel sad :(

£33,000 reasonable 😂😂😂🤪

The enthusiastic look of the passenger says it all about the EV.

The Hybrid vehicles (Like my Volt) are good for families with one car. Almost all of my days are full EV, but I can drive coast to coast if I need to on fuel. Next car will be full EV, I have the charging setup at home for one, and there are more DC fast chargers popping up for long distance.

The real problem with EVs today is (apart from the early 100 mile cars you mentioned) you have to buy new (and wait...). Your car costs £33k but you can have a 2019 Niro hybrid with 4k miles for £19k. The reasons for buying hybrid are precisely as you describe - to avoid the poor city economy of petrol and even diesel cars. What do uber drivers use - Prius !

15:05 -- You think that the need to charge with expensive electricity a few times a year is the reason people will not switch to EVs? No: they will be amazed how easy, clean, and inexpensive it is.

My biggest concern about electric cars is where will all the rare elements needed for the batteries come from. I think this will be a big issue once every car needs these huge batteries.

Wow. Here in the US, 3 years later, we're only paying about $0.18 per kWh for level 2 charging and about twice as much for fast DC charging. I hope charging has become similarly affordable in the UK, too.

Range of combustion cars is less important, because you can fill up in 5 minutes. I have no patience for waiting for a charge.

The 4cyl remains King for years to come.

Most of what you've described is early adopter issues. The reason for ecotricity having such expensive chargers is because they are being hammered by motorway services charges and a lack of use of their network, you could claim that they'll get more use if they were cheaper, but the prices should fall once there's economies of scale and they're past their initial investment burden. The connectors are standardising to CCS/type2 with Teslas model 3 now using CCS. I know things need to improve, but they are.

In the province of Quebec Canada the average cost per kilowatt hour of electricity is about 12 cents at peak. During low demand periods the cost can go down to about 10 cents per kilowatt hour. To charge a 100 kW battery we are looking at about $12 when considering the deficiency factor for electrical return loss with the electronics doing the charger circuits management and voltage conversions.

33thousand , I'll have the Honda type r please .....

I suspect the Niro is sold out because it is a compliance car and they are not interested in meeting demand.

This could have been titled "the trials and tribulations of an early responder." I appreciate JayEmm bringing the changing situations to daily experiences of transportation. These problems cited by him are part and parcel of advances in technology. The hardest thing in life to experience is CHANGE. The KIA is basic transportation period. None of the overkill modern cars exhibit. Needless technology and questionable safety advantances. We may be in the beginning stage something like "roll film giving way to digital imaging. " Thank you.

Just to give your viewers a heads up. Keep your eyes out for the Nissan e-power line up coming out. They're range extended EVs. Basically the engine is only hooked to a generator with a small battery to smooth out the load demands. We have a Nissan Note here in Japan. Starting from next year they're supposed to come out in Europe and NA. We get real world 30km/l, 3.3l/100km or 70.5mpg. The highway mileage does drop to about 19-20km/l. It's got about 42L tank so that's about 1200km of range in the city. (And if you stay off the expressway it's about the same). It goes 0-100 in 8 seconds, has all the safety features like 360 round view camera for drive recorder and parking monitor, auto parking mode, proximity sensors as well as navigation system. We paid about 15,000 pounds. EV maybe the future, but I don't think batteries are going to be the main power source. If you want you can "tune" it with a throttle controller, or just buy the nismo version, and go 0-100 in about 6 seconds.