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Ever since The Last Jedi came out, I thought the overarching threat of an outsider would’ve made a much better sequel trilogy. I really like The Force Awakens and that one can stay but then if an outside threat came into the picture it would make so much more sense for Palpatine to return and be like “I told you so” or “I was preparing for this and now you’re completely outmatched”. I’m not saying heroes would team up with Palp but it would’ve been much more compelling in my opinion. It just seemed like there were no stakes the sequel trilogy.

I read that the Death Star could also be interpreted as a weapon specifically designed to take out worlds held by the Yuuzhan Vong. It was able to blow up planets with ease, and the Vong used planets as shipyards so destroying them would have been a top imperative. I thought that was fascinating... the Death Star goes from being an unnecessary weapon of terror to a valuable tactical resource. Honestly, it adds depth to Palpatine's character.

Palpatine was always planning to conquer the galaxy. Having a galactic scale war and blaming the Jedi for it was planned before he learned of the Far Outsiders. Palpatine knowing about them may have altered some of his plans, and certainly allowed him to sway people like Thrawn, but it doesn't change who Palpatine is. He didn't plan to build up the Imperial military to fight the Yuuzhan Vong for anyone's benefit except his own... and he made a lot of mistakes after he became Emperor.

It seems to me that Ezra and Thrawn being "lost" would be a perfect time to tie this into canon. We could even suggest that Thrawn was destroying worlds again (Mando) to build up forces against them.

Yuuzhan Vong was the reason why Palpatine needed to unite the galaxy under a military dictatorship for that outsider threat to fight against. To create the Death Star. To militarize the troopers. To create the dark trooper project. And maybe use the dark side. As dark spiders use lightning and that adds an advantage against it.

Jedi: *successfully prevents the rise of the empire* Palpatine: I was only trying to help Jedi: what? Yuzhann Vong: hi.

*Emperor Palpatine:* There's a intergalactic species of sadist coming to kill _us all._ Any Rebellion risk all life in the Galaxy, we must all come together to fight this menace. [After evidence is produced, the Rebellion collapses and the galaxy unites behind the Empire].

I feel like fighting the Vong was just a footnote for Palpatine's Leto II level of prediction and planning. He already planned to crusade across the universe. Getting the Vong out of the way was just a part of that

The vong weapons were not necessarily superior in my opinion, but more unfamiliar, with that alieness giving them advantage.

I like that Darth Maul fought and killed a Yuuzhan Vong warrior in hand-to-hand combat while he was still training under Sidious in some Book I forgot what it's called. The Warrior was captured somehow and had been forced to fight in gladiatorial fights against unlucky captors. Maul was captured, I can't remember if he let himself be captured but he ends up fighting the Warrior without any weapons except for the Warrior's snake-staff thing. I think Maul sensed that the Alien Warrior couldn't be effected by the force or he could not sense the Warrior in the force. Shit is crazy and it's pretty brutal fight lol. I really like how the Yuuzhan Vong ships were biological, basically living ships.

I really dont like how the Vong are used to kind of make palpatine a morally gray character

Wasn't a fan of the Vong when I read them actual ages ago, but if the Grysk in the new Thrawn and Thrawn Ascendancy trilogies are the new Big Outside Threat, I'm all for it. Having something on screen that breaks up what we're familiar with would be refreshing.

So, the Death Star was for Palpatine to have a means of defense against something far worse than anything in the SW Galaxy and possibly an Ark for preserving some form of civilization? Wow. No wonder it had an on-board mall and theaters.

Never knew they popped up as early as the Neo Crusaders. Imagine if the the Vong fought the Neo Crusaders. Two warrior cultures duking it out for supremacy. That'll be an interesting watch for sure

If Yuuzhan Vong invaded during the Galactic Civil War, will the Imperials and the Rebels decided to work together?

In all honesty despite the de-canonization of the Yuuzhan Vong, they would be a sensible and believable reason as to why Palpatine had such a formidable empire. Granted, he did have forces such as the inquisitors alongside Vader as Jedi hunters but that was to wipe out the Jedi who would get in the way of his plans and potentially insight an uprising. In the early days of the Empire there really wasn’t a formidable rebel force if at all. Yes, there was Saw Gerrera however even during the Clone Wars, he even had some passive aggression towards the Republic and his ideals weren’t praised by many in the full rebellion force to come. All in all, despite the lack of care in universe to imperial commanders abusing their positions leading to sparks of rebellion as seen for example in the comics and in Rebels, this could translate well into canon with the obvious tweaks of integration with already established canon events.

Based on speeds and distances it could be estimated that it took the Vong multiple thousands of years to arrive

Step 1: Defeat the Rebel Alliance and find/turn Luke Skywalker (the second part is optional). Step 2: Build another Death Star after the first one is destroyed, preferably two if possible. Step 3: Perfect the Dark Trooper and Death Trooper programs to augment every infantry unit with squads of elite troops who rarely miss when they fire their weapons. Step 4: Allocate resources to proper shipyards and triple the number of Executor Super Star Destroyers in the fleet. Ideally, ensure that each major battle group has one as their flagship. Step 5: Construct at least four Galaxy Gun super weapons at key locations throughout the galaxy. Step 6: Abolish the Rule of Two...whoops. Palpatine got distracted and was slain by Darth Vader. Oh well...at least Vader will ally with the remaining Rebel cabals to ensure steps 1 through 5 are completed. Wait, are those Coral Skippers...?

1. I don't recall ever reading in the NJO that the Vong couldn't use hyperspace in the void between galaxies. 2. Did it say in the Outbound Flight novel that C'baoth planned to use the Force to move Outbound Flight passed the edge of the galaxy? 3. The Vong home galaxy was not destroyed by an A.I. The Vong's homeworld (Zonama Sekot's parent) provided them with weapons bio-tech to successfully defeat the droid threat. The Vong themselves ravaged their home galaxy by using theose weapons to wage war on the other species in their galaxy and eventually themselves.

Krennic: I’m in charge here Vader: Do you feel in charge? Krennic: I built the Death Star Vader: This gives you power over me?

What if bail organa succeeded chancellor valorum instead of papa palps (idk if you have made this vid yet)

Hey Alan I know people constantly talk about how the empire would have faired against the vong but here’s a video suggestion about how the cis would have faired against the vong

I tried using talk to text for Yuuzhan Vong starwars, and what I got was Using bong starwars. I'll be honest I wasn't disappointed showed a really nice death star bong.

While i never read the books, the Yuzhaan Vong were always so interesting to me and i really want to see them in a movie or at least animated

Love the new Jedi order series. It was my first too, before moving on to the rest of legends, before they were legends.

I would love a video comparing StormTroopers/Clone Troopers to the various infantry units from other Sci-fi verses. Guardsman or Space Marines from 40k, Spartans from Halo, etc...

I think that a strong military culture with a willingness for sacrifice and attrition would have definitely helped against the Vong, but the Death Star would have been a complete waste of resources. This is because how the Vong defend their ships is using dovin basals. They'd create mini-black holes to suck in any incoming ordnance. So if a Death Star superlaser powers up (like when the tributary beams appear), a Vong ship can just create a black hole to absorb the blast and would come out unscathed. Same with the Galaxy Gun unless the Empire could find a way to cloak the projectiles or use a bunch of decoy projectiles with every shot (which is definitely possible). Dovin basals weaknesses are (1) They're reactive. So, if you hit the Vong where they don't expect it, that would be like shooting at an unshielded ship. The Jedi made use of this through shadow torpedoes: they'd replace the propulsion system of a torpedo with more explosives and then literally throw the torpedo at the enemy using the Force. Because of a lack of exhaust emissions, the torpedo would be invisible to sensors and would directly hit (2) If the dovin basal has to do too many tasks at once, it can't do them. So, the New Republic shifted from concentrating fire on one part of a ship (which they used to do against the Empire) and instead started spreading their fire all over enemy ships. So, mass produce ships with a respectable amount of lasers. In the Legacy comics, we see ships like the MC 140 Scythe-class battlecruiser and the Pellaeon-class Star Destroyer. Both were significantly smaller (and thus less resource-intensive) than an Imperial-class Star Destroyer but had firepower on par with an ISD-size ship. The MC140 in particular had pretty powerful reactors and engines. Mass-produce the hell out of these ships and use sheer numbers of turbo lasers to overload Vong dovin basals. As for the Vong: I like the idea of a new, terrifying enemy with an immunity to conventional Force abilities. But, I think the scope of their invasion should have been scaled down. Like have them hit major parts of the Outer and Mid Rim, maybe 1 or 2 inner rim/core worlds and make it seem at the darkest time like it would only be a matter of time before Coruscant fell, but have them be stopped after that. Making the Vong War the most devastating war in galactic history would eclipse the importance of the original trilogy and kind change the message of Star Wars from an American Revolution-style fight for freedom to a message of the ideal form of government being an Ender's Game-style military junta.

I like these videos that gives a deferent kind of perspective. Sure, we know the empire sucked when it came to governing their own population, and in crushing the rebellion. It makes these videos look far less like a echo chamber. But in that case, they should've made two branches of the navy. One geared towards rebellion, and the other for the outsiders.

I’d like to imagine a Yuuzan Vong invasion vs the Galactic Empire. Mobilizing a United Imperial fleet led by Grand Moff Tarkin, Darth Vader in his Flagship, and the Death Star controlled by the Emperor himself. Others may say different but with those odds (even without Tarkin or Vader), the Yuzzan Vong wouldn’t stand a chance. After the War the Empire would be more United and there may have been an attempt to tame the Unknown Regions🤔

Props to you for including Heart of Courage. There needs to be more love for Two Steps from Hell

Im so torn on the Vong honestly. I really like them as a concept and the old stories (even if I did think they were overpowered without good explanation) but I think using them as a "Palpy knew all along hes uber smart" is just a convenient way to cover up some of the dumber (but still cool) aspects of the original story.

I like to think of Star Wars as a game in Stellaris. And the Yuuzhan Vong are the crisis event.

If the Yuzang Vong turn up after _The Rise of Skywalker,_ then Xyston ISD's would just eat the Vong World ships, due to the standard JJ Abrams power creep.

If the Hutts have thick skin, how was Sny Snooodles able to shoot one and kill it? This is a question that is meant to be purely modest. Not to discredit. I am new to the channel and have been binging obsessively for days now. Keep up the great work!

Also consider that the ships of the Imperial Fleet were big battleships, but the Rebels put all their points into starfighters. Rebels were fighting a guerilla war, successfully; but the Imperials weren't kitted for successfully fighting their guerilla opponents. Palpatine had his eye on the horizon for a long time. God, I wish the sequels were about the YZV.

The Vong was easily where Legends finally jumped the shark for me.

Honestly this is one of the best, if not THE best, videos you’ve made imho. The added context and perspective changes everything about palpating and adds such a deeper layer of complexity to the politics of all three trilogies leading up to it. I’m so glad you chose to highlight this part of star wars lore, and you did it masterfully as always, all the necessary information presented in a enjoyable and easily digestible fashion. Bravo Allen!

Bro you've taught me so much on everything about star wars thank you

I love the Vong Stories. They are one of the most interesting concepts I've ever heard of. The writers came up with great ideas for organic technology.

I personally would love if the Vong or at least a similar species like them were to return in canon. Would be quite a twist seeing a massive alien species bent on nothing but conquest and destruction being seen wagging war against the whole Star Wars galaxy.

We live in a Galactic society.

Facts. Loved this breakdown of legends take on palpatine’s reason for being the tyrant we know.

It’s funny timing on this video. I was just thinking last night ,after a rewatch of ep 3, of what was palps ultimate goal beyond destroying the Jedi. What was his vision for the galaxy as a whole? This sheds alittle bit of light on that.

I'm reminded of Fable 3 a bit, where the "evil" options feel a lot less evil when you're faced with a terrifying force that will crush everything unless you engage in total war and expend every asset available.

The whole line of thought of Palpatine and the Empire still being around (not the remnant, but the full powered original Empire) was discussed in the Vong saga. A few members mentioned they wondered if the Empire and Palpatine had still been around, if things would have been different. Han Solo made a comment that the Empire would have built some grandiose war machine and called it Palpatines Nostril or something like that and it would have had a blatantly ignorant weakness that would have caused it to be destroyed by a single fighter.

I think the sequel trilogy should have been used to build up to the invasion. Luke has a vision and nobody believes him.

I will never forget my first book. Not the crude material that teachers try to make you read in school, but the first book I bought because of interest. SWTOR sparked that interest and instead of just reading the wiki pages that miss so many nice details I savor for roleplaying I went ahead, looked up what book came (in canon) chronologically first and ordered Outbound Flight to be my first Book ever. Hooked since then, though for sake of preserving more playtime I did switch to audiobooks.

I think that the death star may have been seen as a weapon against the vong, but really that was just a bonus for Palpatine. I am pretty sure it was still the tarkin doctrine in play. And Palpatine clearly didn't care about wasting military force that he could have used instead when he deliberately pit some of the Imperial military against itself after the Empire retook Coruscant from the New Republic (sort of like operation cinder on new canon, but focused more on destroying some of the Imperial military than also killing loyal planets). Palpatine was always more concerned with ruling than protecting the galaxy. He would protect it purely out of self interest. That said, I thought thrawn was always more noble in his motives and intent. Also, in a way Thrawn ended up being a mentor to not just Pellaeon, but to his New Republic opponents. He taught some of the most effective commanders and strategists that the New Republic would have against the Vong: Wedge Antilles, Corran Horn, Ackbar, and Garm Bel Iblis. Thrawn's philosophies on war would be adopted eventually by many of his former opponents, who not only would use the tactics and strategies that Thrawn once used against them, but also came to practice some of Thrawn's methodology of using art and ultimately understanding of an enemy's culture to successfully fight the Vong (best examples of this being Wedge at Borelias and Ackbar's final ultimate strategy at Ebaq 9; also the psychological campaign of making jaina a sort of avatar of a yuzanh vong goddess). Another legacy of Thrawn that ended up aiding the New Republic/GA was the Empire of the Hand and even the Chiss Ascendancy. There is a now mostly discredited theory that Thrawn meant to toughen up the New Republic to prepare them for the Yuzanh vong. While not really true, that was definitely his ultimate goal for the entire galaxy (he viewed a military dictatorship or authoritarian government as better able to fight the Vong, so still not exactly compatible with the New Republic). Preparing for the vong was just a necessary part of Palpatine controlling the galaxy, not an end. For Thrawn, it was the whole point.

This video definitely brought new insight into the Galactic Empire as a hole for me. I appreciate, enjoy your content, and am gonna search for more.

An invading army of pointy eared Skeletors is the Star Wars equivalent of jumping the shark.

The Teaser title tipped me off that we were discussing the Yo Zhong Vong . Indeed a threat to EVERYTHING .

Yuzhang Vong is definitely a good story. But making Palpatine aware of it I think not only oversells his already OP foresight but nuances him too much. It makes sense that self preservation, power, greed and selfish ambition motivated him to change the galaxy the way he did. It would be interesting to see how he’d react to the far outsiders

David F had planned X-Files inspired story arc of CW of clone troops getting obducted from the battlefield. Obi and Ani investigating and turned out the Yuuzhan Vong were behind it. But this got canned once Lucas had sold to Disney.

You read the New Jedi Order series when you were a kid. God, what a way to make me feel old.

Just image how cool it would be to see Jedi, Sith, battle droids and storm troopers all banding together to fight an invasion. That I would watch.

If Palpatine _was_ trying to prepare the galaxy for the coming of the Vong, he wasn't doing so competently.

In Legends, there had been discussion as to whether the Death Star would have been a viable answer to the Vong Worldships. As for the 'Force Awakens' there was Vergere's revelation to Jacen; that while the galaxy thought that the Vong were exempt from the Force, they used a different 'visible spectrum' of it, one that Jacen was eventually able to access.

what if the empire had Thrawn doctrine instead of the Tarkin doctrine?

Do you think that animal they were harvesting in Obi-Wan Kenobi show was a Vong scout ship?

They should set up Grogu creating a new sect of Jedi Mandalorian’s fighting the Yuuzhan Vong with Rey’s school of Jedi in a war. It’d be really cool.

I've always like the Vong, as a matter of fact in the Star Wars RPG that my friends & I ran for 4 years, we headcanon'd that THEY were the threat Revan feared. To warn the Republic he sent another HK-47 model droid back, which ended up being lost in space for thousands of years. This was the PC I played. The campaign was set during the beginning of the Empire. It was fun, but weird when we found out that officially HK-47 was revived during the same time-frame, in Star Wars galaxies.

Two Steps from Hell Heart of Courage is a nice touch

The real reason Palpatine built the Death Star is because he felt one giant satellite metal ball wasn’t enough

I think a Vong-like enemy would be a good build up to after the sequel trilogy and also a good conflict for a teenage Grogu to deal with, having to connect with both his Jedi and Mandalorian influences.

What are your thoughts on an Imperial battlefleet from 40K invading the Star Wars galaxy, replacing the Vong?

The Vong suited better for Star Trek.

I wish we could see this I agree it’s what sw needs rn

I like this idea much more honestly. Palpatin wasnt just a tyrant. But a tyrant that had greater things in mimd then his controll. His survival and the survival of HIS galaxy

1:18 notify me when we get Space Wolves in Star Wars…

my problem with the Yuuzhan Vong is that the books they were in varied widely from bad to ok. they come out of the gate entirely too strong and too threatening; being able to pull moons out of orbit and smash them into planets with what amounts to a scout force. subsequent writers had to do alot of damage control and pull back on their "power level" to give the star wars galaxy a fighting chanced. So then suddenly they go from being overmatched against even the New Jedi Order, to being moustache twirling bad guys. I like the Idea of a powerful threat bringing the galaxy together so the heroes of both factions can put aside their differences. but they just didn't quite manage to pull it off well enough.

I like how the Vong give Palpatine purpose outside of being the mustache-twirling shadow villain. A young, talented individual of station who realizes that nobody would believe him and resorts to the dark side to prepare the entire galaxy for war mirrors many others’ paths to the Dark Side better than being a big ol’ bag of Sith souls.

When your enemy has the ability to turn a planet into an organic factory, suddenly a planet-killer weapon seems like a tactical choice.

Fingers crossed we get something involving the Yuuzhan Vong in second season of Bad Batch.

I don't buy that Palpatine built the Death Stars to fight the Yuhzan Vong. If he did, then why would he use it on Alderan and threaten other worlds to keep them submissive No, he would want to keep them hidden until the Vong appeared as well as building more Death Stars What are you going to say next? That he built the Exegol fleet because the Death Stars were destroyed and he STILL needed to fight the Vong?

Love these books. Thanks for talking about them. They need more love.

At least Allen is consistent lol. He even spells Yuzhan Vong wrong.

I'd say your views are pretty solidly orthodox among the fandom, Allen. If you want controversial views, try talking about the flaws of Clone Wars Republic designs. Not in the "it might not have been perfect, but at least it's not what the Imperial era used" sense, but addressing the genuine shortcomings of the designs and looking for reasons why later eras didn't use the older stuff beyond "the Empire was cheap/dumb".

I too hope that the Vong get reintroduced into canon in the form of a TV series. There's just so much potential for storytelling.

Yuuzhan Vong probably wont ever come back. Lucas stated he didnt like the idea of something not being connected to the force. We now have the Grysk

Can you do more videos on the yuuzhan vong? Also the clone wars would have retconned them into being normal force sensitives like the jedi and sith. Which would help them fit in better with star wars.

I've been waiting YEARS for you to bring up the Yuuzhan Vong. Kinda disappointed you didn't turn it into a series 🤣

This would be a good base for a Skywalker Saga sequel set of trilogies ;)

Makes you wish that the Sequels were focused on a third faction, something Palpatine was aware of and deathly afraid of. Something like the Yuzong Vong or perhaps a Sith Cult who were able to get their hands on Rakatan Technology.

You would be surprised how quickly our minds csn shift our attention yo war culture in times of need

Thanks for the analysis and explanation.

Really good video, and I agree this should have been the further content for the Star Wars stories. As to the Imperial army and it's structure you also have to remember that it was less a fight another true army force and more of a police entity by the time of the rebellion so that accounts for some of it's formation. Palpatine was more worried by the fact he couldn't sense the Vong in the force than anything. I wanted this to be the new direction of Star Wars the moment I heard of sequel movies but instead we got... what we got.

While the Yuuzhan Vong are interesting villains, I think this whole video provides a good explanation as why they wouldn't fit into the current canon. The first 6 films were all about Lucas' grand space opera, good vs evil and the Skywalkers. It was meant to be that the Empire were the bad guys and the Rebels were the good guys. Now if we're told Palpatine always knew about an external existential threat to the galaxy, and that was the main driving force behind establishing a strong Galactic Empire, it cheapens the proceeding films. The embodiment of evil and the dark side becomes a guy that knew disaster was just around the corner and tried to avert it through extreme means. That said, I am a fan of the Grisks and the new Thrawn books. While presenting a similar threat as the Vong, the Grisk are a better fit for the current canon, and don't detract from Palpatine's malevolent character since he didn't know about them way back before the Clone Wars.

Interesting slant. Didn't see that coming. That was pretty cool.😎👍🏾

Love this! 🥰 Super interesting take, and yeah, it put's Palpatine in a bit of a different light than just the ultimate power-hungry Sith Lord.

Let’s assume that Palpatine was preparing for something big like the invasion of the Yuuzhan Vong and that the Death Star was part of his plan. That stopped been meaningful the moment it fired in anger against Alderaan.

Another very great and fabulous video on the reconnted reason as to why Sidious needed to create a massive empire and militarized state, apart from the obvious imperative of needing them to control and impose empire's control and ideals across the galaxy per sith grand plan. Sure bringing the vong back would certainly add another intriguing nuance to an already very intriguing and complicated character. That despite being evil he still had the galaxy's best interests at heart or so he would have one believe.

I believe the Empire would have easily beaten the Vong. But if I were Palpatine, I would have kept a few CIS Droid manufacturing plants operational just in case.

Great video!! I never knew this part of the story!!

I loved the Yuuzang Vong.

I really like the idea of Palpetine starting his plot leading through him seizing power and overstaying his term limit in ROTS being a nobel venture, but him going crazy with power and the dark side, and ultimately falling away from anything nobel and good leading to the original triliogy Palpetine.

Yuuzahn Vong was the reason why Grand Admiral Thrawn joined The Empire, to stop the Vong as he was scared they would attack his people.

The electric kettle makes me think you are in Singapore. Great content while travelling if so.

Sadly they wouldn’t be able to do the same characters from the whole story but I’d love if they created a Legend’s animated studio that tells the stories from Legends like NJO!! seeing those stories in animation would be better then never!!

Perhaps someday. SW will live beyond all of us and I hope I’ll see the Vong in live action… damn what a dream