The Return of the Minivan | 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Limited Full Tour & Review

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6 жыл бұрын

Minivans, what happened to them? Where did they all go? Why do dad's drive them with socks and sandals? We find out! Read our full review: goo.gl/ApmcFf
The Minivan was once the king of the North American market, becoming hugely popular with families needing more room than the typical sedan could offer. But recently crossovers and SUV have eaten into the sales of every other segment, leaving the minivan left to the history books, or has it?
Chrysler's luxury-oriented minivan is nothing like the Dodge Caravan, this 2018 Pacifica Limited comes fully loaded, with about $6,000 worth of extra goodies like the rear entertainment system, 20" rims, nappa leather seating, and so much more. So what purpose does the minivan serve in today's crossover world? We find out!
Our full tour and review of this 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Limited goes over all the important exterior and interior features, such as the 360º camera system, front and rear parking sensors, full LED headlights, power sliding doors, power opening lift-gate, Stow 'N Go seating, Stow 'N Vac vacuum, heated and ventilated front seats, heated second row seating, heated steering wheel, navigation, and so much more. This minivan packs a lot of features for it's near $60,000 CAD price point.
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@audiwankenobi361
@audiwankenobi361 6 жыл бұрын
I tell every car person I know about your channel.....much respect & appreciation from Daytona beach Florida!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
We really appreciate that, thanks! We love hearing that. We're hoping we can keep growing and reach more enthusiasts so we can offer more content!
@raidenthegreat4476
@raidenthegreat4476 5 жыл бұрын
I’m 28 years old and never thought I’d be looking at a minivan to purchase but with all the amenities and available space in the Pacifica I’m absolutely looking to purchase one. You can do so much in one of these!!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
We keep saying it, but minivans are going to make a resurgence!
@raidenthegreat4476
@raidenthegreat4476 5 жыл бұрын
Stow n go is nasty genious!! So much room for activities!!!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
No kidding! The versatility of this is serious over a crossover.
@sashek8451
@sashek8451 Жыл бұрын
activities 😂😂😂👏
@robertpurchase9324
@robertpurchase9324 3 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a 2018 Limited. I run a mobile DJ company and need space for my set ups small or large. Love all the perks and features. Feels and looks like a luxury vehicle. All I did to mine is Tint my from windows. Great Job Chrysler...
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you're enjoying yours!
@chriskrueger8225
@chriskrueger8225 6 жыл бұрын
Traded in my wifes 2016 Escape for a 2018 Pacifica touring plus with the S appearance package. It's beautiful and I agree with everything you said about it feeling smaller inside compared to the outside. I waxed it this past weekend and really realized how big it is!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
Every time I got out of the Pacifica I was surprised how large it really was. Chrysler did a fantastic job keeping this nimble and small on the road, just like the original minivan's idea of having a car-like driving experience. This is definitely one of our favourite vehicles we've driven this year!
@Brent-sc6sc
@Brent-sc6sc 5 жыл бұрын
I'm 71 and my last vehicle was a pickup. Considering a new mini van this spring and have checked out all of the manufacturers on the tube. Your video was brilliant in the points covered with a slant as to how they relate to a driver, instead of the usual read out from a brochure. So, after being able to load up in a truck, I found too many limitations with suv's and checked out the mini vans where I can carry furniture, plywood sheets, even have a nap in one with my rottweiler Conan on a trip. At my age I'm a bit cynical about overselling, and the all wheel drive hype. Also, I believe many drivers become over confident in harsh winter conditions, as I witnessed for too many years. It doesn't matter what you drive, as long as you adjust to the road conditions and most importantly, slow down. I'll let you know what I purchased in late spring. Keep up the good work, and I for one, have learned to truly respect your natural sincere and knowledgeable reviews. Thanks!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, and I'm glad you found our channel! We're really glad to see so much interest in minivans like the Pacifica, we're hoping to feature some of the other brands this year. I think Chrysler has a really solid product on their hands, giving drivers more flexibility over interior space. We're planning to use the Pacifica for a road-trip in a couple months and should have some new footage to share on their PHEV!
@SK-pn1pe
@SK-pn1pe 5 жыл бұрын
We've been pricing these out extensively the last few weeks here in the U.S. and I can safely say that when you line up the top of the line Honda Odyssey, top of the line Toyota Sienna and the top of the line Chrysler Pacifica, the price tags all come in extremely close. Maybe its different in Canada, but here they compete with each other closely. That being said....we thought the Chrysler was the hands down winner. Nothing wrong with Honda or Toyota....the Chrysler was just a notch above. Never thought I would say that, as I've never been a Dodge/Chrysler fan....but these Pacificas seem legit. Great video, thanks for the review!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
It might be a bit different up here, but we also only compare MSRP across vehicles, whereas you definitely won't be paying that going into the showroom. In fact, we priced out this Pacifica for the comparison we did on the Kia and thought they were the same price, until we noticed Chrysler was adding on almost $7,000 in rebates and discounts to the price. Either way, we're still impressed with this Pacifica!
@stephsagit1
@stephsagit1 5 жыл бұрын
I test drove one this past week and purchasing it! I absolutely loved all the features and it drove really well, so quiet and road bump free.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
The Pacifica is a really underrated vehicle, it has a lot going for it and offers a huge range of options for buyers.
@sarahdebreto7452
@sarahdebreto7452 3 жыл бұрын
We just purchased this vehicle, with 27,000 miles and a tow package. So far, I'm really impressed with how it handles. I cannot wait to haul a small camper behind it!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 3 жыл бұрын
The Pacifica is a seriously good vehicle, I was impressed when I drove this, and have enjoyed each one I've driven since. We've got the 2021 finally booked for later in Spring.
@sashek8451
@sashek8451 Жыл бұрын
We have an odyssey and rented a Pacifica during a vacation years ago and I’m switching to the P. It drove so much better. I know Honda is supposedly more reliable but it pays to look at model year history. I wish I would have
@michaelscot4816
@michaelscot4816 11 ай бұрын
Gorgeous! Want!
@Brent-sc6sc
@Brent-sc6sc 5 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant review. I was planning to buy a suv this coming spring, but now am thinking about a mini van (misleading name).
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
More like a MEGA van these days! We're thinking a lot of people are going through the same buying process as you, and will consider one of the solid vans available over a crossover.
@nermismieses7121
@nermismieses7121 4 жыл бұрын
Cute seeing your beautiful daughter!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
I try to include her when it makes sense in our show, thanks!
@jonathancross4719
@jonathancross4719 6 жыл бұрын
I just leased a 2018 Pacifica S Limited. Coming from a big, heavy, gas-guzzling Infiniti QX60, I figured I would seek another 3-row SUV. After some research into the Acura MDX, Subaru Ascent, Dodge Durango R/T and SRT, the value of the Pacifica was obvious. Final price was $39k and change, far less than any of the top-trimmed SUVs. I've had a Copper S limited/20" wheel for a week and it has been wonderful. It really is a good-looking van, too. So much nicer to look at than competitors. Reasonably luxurious, too, although the Infiniti and Acura probably have it beat on that aspect. Can't complain. It handles very well too, better than the heavy QX60. So far, so good.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
We were very impressed with the Pacifica, and we're seeing quite a few of them on the road too which is good. Congrats on the purchase, I think you made the right decision! SUVs are dime a dozen now, but the Pacifica actually feels like the designers and engineers at Chrysler cared about making something different, and that always stands out in our books.
@yomocute9403
@yomocute9403 5 жыл бұрын
how much is your monthly payment and down
@rimonzaky5578
@rimonzaky5578 5 жыл бұрын
That's great. I am in the same situation I am leasing qx60 and the lease is due. So I am thinking about pacifica. So how you got $12k discount, and how much is your monthly payment? Thanks
@JoshGerhards
@JoshGerhards 5 жыл бұрын
My family just purchased a used rental 2018 Pacifica, and we really like it. We already had a grand caravan and we didn't really have a use for another minivan, but we got a great deal on it and it was pretty loaded for the price. Some things I'm disappointed in is that the blue lights in the dashboard match the high beam indicator. There's been a few times where I've looked at my dash and I couldn't see if my high beams were on or not. Also, the buttons underneath the touch screen are really mushy and don't feel great to press at all.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting note on the gauge cluster! Blue is certainly an uncommon colour to use for the cluster, that might be one of the reasons why most manufacturers stray away from it. We just recently published an episode on the 2019 Pacifica Hybrid and also enjoyed it.
@rowboyto156
@rowboyto156 6 жыл бұрын
the van i really liked is the first gen mazda mpv with 4 doors. its basically a suv or cuv. only wished it was reliable as the first gen miata
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
I remember those first one's pretty well. Similar with the first generation Odyssey with regular doors in the back. Don't see either of them on the road anymore.
@Tonyx.yt.
@Tonyx.yt. 6 жыл бұрын
White socks and sandals in the classic outfit for middle aged german tourist here in summer :D
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
I bet it is! Betcha they'd roll up in one of these too, straight from Enterprise Rent-A-Car!
@Tonyx.yt.
@Tonyx.yt. 6 жыл бұрын
Perpetual Radio Networks lol, no they dont drive Chrysler cars, even because (and Chevy) are no longer sold in Europe
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
I swear the Chrysler PT Cruiser was super popular in Europe :P
@mwalsh7500
@mwalsh7500 5 жыл бұрын
I can tell you why this type of vehicle will persist.....1. The ever rising ($ value loss) cost of hotels/ motels and 2. Price out a class C or class B RV and you will miraculously find value in these vehicles. Nuff said for those of you who are at or close to retirement age with some gypsy blood in yah!!😉
@Jay_Cruz340
@Jay_Cruz340 4 жыл бұрын
Are the second row seats comfortable for long drives?
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
Second and third row seem to be solid for both adults and children. During our week with this we had 4 adults and 1 child and did some longer-distance driving without any complaints. We also published a road-trip episode on the Pacifica Hybrid a few months ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iM2gqLaXm5zXkWw.html
@yousifsabe8571
@yousifsabe8571 4 жыл бұрын
I love this car i am going to buy this car
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
We really liked the Pacifica, it made our Best Cars of 2018 list, and we featured the 2019 Hybrid during a road-trip we filmed.
@KjetilBalstad
@KjetilBalstad 5 жыл бұрын
One thing that kinda buggs me a little is the fact that going for the glass roof and in seat displays removes the rear most seats ability to see anything. Would love to have atleast a single display in the area between the two glass portions...
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
That’s definitely a good point, the Dodge Caravan was one of the first vehicles I remember getting a DVD player. My uncle bought one for his family when it was new, and that single centre DVD player was the first for them.
@jmmj4282
@jmmj4282 4 жыл бұрын
Do you can choose gear 1 to 9 by manually??
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
I don't believe so, the lower gear just limits the gears.
@antoinepageau8336
@antoinepageau8336 6 жыл бұрын
@ $1.50/litre for gas (and we all know $2.00 is around the corner) you either need to travel very little or consider the Hybrid version. The base model with a couple of iPads for rear seats makes the most sense.
@Tonyx.yt.
@Tonyx.yt. 6 жыл бұрын
Antoine Pageau 1.50 CAD per liter (with minimum wage around 13$) is not bad, here gasoline cost 1.60€ per liter and an common wage is around 7-8€ per hour... (No minimum wage here...)
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
I think it was $1.38/L for regular in Saint-Laurent on Monday, but the PHEV of this definitely makes sense, also being the only PHEV available as far as I know. I think Toyota has a regular hybrid version of the Sienna, but that's about it.
@arielsoto3941
@arielsoto3941 2 жыл бұрын
I like
@quintinmarable8550
@quintinmarable8550 5 жыл бұрын
Quintin Marable Hi I have been watching the comments about the Chrysler Pacifica and I have been waiting to see when our Chrysler going to offer a all wheel drive in this new Pacifica. Thanks to Mike Kiehler for letting us know that the all wheel drive teacher will be offered on the 2020, I have tried to contact Chrysler on several occasions to ask why all wheel drive was not offered even as an option for customers but never got a response thanks Mike..
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
We've heard the same rumours about the Pacifica getting an AWD option, so far we haven't gotten any official word from FCA about it, but perhaps we'll get lucky and see something at the Toronto Auto Show next month.
@robertquinones535
@robertquinones535 4 жыл бұрын
How do I find this same van? I’m looking for one but each model I’ve seen has no uconnect TVs in the back?
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
Easiest way would be to talk to a dealer to have them search inventory. I'd say that a decent chunk of the Pacificas we see on the road are Limiteds, but getting all the right packages might be tough. Any FCA dealer should be able to see if a specific trim is optioned the way you want it somewhere out there with the ability to have it transported to them.
@robertquinones535
@robertquinones535 4 жыл бұрын
PRN_TestDrive thanks!
@mikefrommaryland9652
@mikefrommaryland9652 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that they had really bad electrical issues
@dsgrts
@dsgrts 5 жыл бұрын
Would be awesome if Toyota, Honda, or Kia had the stowaway 2nd row seats too.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like one of them does, or at least is working on it. I swear another manufacturer came out with a system that even has a similar name, like Stow-Something.
@rsanz85
@rsanz85 5 жыл бұрын
@@PRNTestDrive Dodge Grand Caravan has it, but it is from the same parent company as Chrysler (FCA).
@sashek8451
@sashek8451 Жыл бұрын
Literally I never got cat called as much as when I started driving a minivan. My theory is they might be sexy (to some 😅) after all
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive Жыл бұрын
Definitely can be, hope you enjoy yours!
@mczenk5095
@mczenk5095 4 жыл бұрын
My wife got a 2019 Pacifica Limited, all blacked out with black rims, yes minivans can be sexy.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice! The 2019 Pacifica Hybrid Limited we did came with the S appearance package with the black rims and trim.
@rayheatley9910
@rayheatley9910 6 жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about buying a Mercedes e class wagon but they are very high priced and need premium fuel. The new pacifica burns regular gas and has as much or more room than the Mercedes wagon and is cheaper. I do worry about Chrysler's past and or present quality problems. I will keep an eye on Chrysler and Mercedes for some time before I buy my next vehicle.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
That certainly is a valid concern, there's definitely a stigma around Chrysler's engines and reliability, but Mercedes can be just as bad. We've heard from a lot of viewers that find the latest round of Mercedes products have gotten a lot cheaper while the prices have increased. We really liked the Pacifica, it would be interesting to have this as a long-term review vehicle to see how it fairs after 24,000km.
@lillyinthefield2787
@lillyinthefield2787 2 жыл бұрын
can I have the limited letters removed off the van with out damage????
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure you can ask the dealer to remove it, typically a product like Goo Gone with a lot of careful work will remove the lettering and adhesive without damaging the paint.
@lowkie11238
@lowkie11238 5 жыл бұрын
AWD is coming in MY2020.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
This is excellent! If Chrysler rolls out the AWD option, this will easily become our top pick for mid-size family hauling. It already is a fantastic vehicle, but our winters can be rough, and the added safety of AWD will only boost sales.
@robertweber3140
@robertweber3140 5 жыл бұрын
No need for AWD. First, its heavier. Second, if one tire goes bad, all four tires need to be replaced. It has been studied with the Toyota Sienna that placing dedicated winter tires on the front provide better tracetiin than AWD with all-seasons. Just saying there are less expensive alternatives.
@Tommy_Irish
@Tommy_Irish Жыл бұрын
She looks like, "Hurry the hell up with your stupid video!". Lmao
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive Жыл бұрын
Haha!
@tomtalker2000
@tomtalker2000 4 жыл бұрын
And wait until 2021 when AWD becomes available on it.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 4 жыл бұрын
I had a chance to look at the 2021 Pacifica back at the Toronto Auto Show, it's looking really good. I'm hoping to get the chance to feature it later this year!
@Polemic-2525
@Polemic-2525 3 жыл бұрын
Priced is steep. Nice van though
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 3 жыл бұрын
There's usually some good incentives on these making the price a lot more manageable.
@805NAVE
@805NAVE 6 жыл бұрын
$60,000 for a mini van?? Even the Honda Odyssey touring elite whatever is around $50,000
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 6 жыл бұрын
It's a luxury minivan though! Or so Chrysler wants it to be. We filmed the 2018 Kia Sedona (still have it) and it's MSRP is around $48,000 with most of the same features, but it's hard to justify the extra $12,000 for some buyers.
@KjetilBalstad
@KjetilBalstad 5 жыл бұрын
In Norway the Hybrid version (Hybrids are often cheaper in Norway) costs 91500$, so stop complaining ;) And, this is cheap. Back in 2001 my Chrysler Grand Voyager Limited cost 147000$
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
That’s crazy expensive! Is the hybrid sold there the same Plug-in Hybrid EV? That one seems like the model to get, best of both worlds.
@KjetilBalstad
@KjetilBalstad 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, watching US reviews hurts so bad knowing most of the cars will be either unavailable or expensive as ****. And even worse, families in need of larger people movers are taxed more heavily than most of the smaller just for fun sports cars. There are no official Chrysler dealerships in Norway. However, at least one dealership imports the Pacifica from the US, hybrid limited only. Now, I just started researching this car myself as my good old Grand Voyager Ltd just died on me, so I have not found out if they have done any changes on it. We use the metric system, we use 220v, we need EU maps, and so on, so hopefully this can be adjusted for as this is the only available minivan in this class. Other than this we have smaller MPV's and larger, or rather boxier cars like the VW Caravelle. Here in Norway we love EV's, but having four children I need those extra seats, and the only option then is the Model X. Sadly the X just can't compare to my GV, to small or low in the rear. So, this hybrid large minivan option is really tempting. Only real drawback keeping me on the fence for now is the cars inability to tow.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
**Canadian reviews 😁
@m.s.1715
@m.s.1715 2 жыл бұрын
DON'T BUY A PACIFICA! If I can save one person from getting stuck with one of these my time is worth it. A warning to prospective buyers: I bought a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica with only 11,500 MI back in May. Since I purchased it the start-stop feature stopped working and the whole car just died at a stop. Got that battery replaced and automatic start stop still didn't work. Then a couple of months later I was driving on the freeway and the car started to stall and I couldn't control it as well. It had a warning alarm going off to service the power steering. I had the car fixed for that and then 2 weeks later I had the SAME problem plus like five other error codes such as service shifter, break not available, service electronic stability control etc. It won't drive. All Kia dealerships in my area are always backed up at least a week for service appointments (because they have so many problems) Most people don't have rental coverage and if they do they will not give you a rental until your appointment date so you do not have a car for over a week unless you are going to come out of pocket to rent one. I went on Chrysler Pacifica forums and saw all these problems people have with them such as not being able to turn off cruise control AT ALL when they are on the freeway and it even accelerating on its own or the car doing automatic emergency braking on it's own without cause on the freeway jeopardizing people's lives. So many complaints to the NHTSA. I'm considering selling the car now to CarMax and buying a different brand van. What's a shame is someone else is going to be stuck with this potentially unsafe and DEFINITELY unreliable car. I'm outside the California lemon law limits of 18 months or 18,000 miles so I can't go that route. This is just a huge headache! Save yourselves.
@user-px7yg3vz5e
@user-px7yg3vz5e 3 жыл бұрын
Rolls royce
@jacobreed47
@jacobreed47 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a big guy too but I gotta tell ya -Damn buddy get some loose fitting shirts and pants already, you gonna pass out. Good video review btw. Keep up the good work and get some looser ,more comfortable clothes. Just a hint of feedback from a subscriber.
@NileLivesey
@NileLivesey 5 жыл бұрын
I can certainly appreciate that, and I also appreciate when the feedback like this is coming from the right place, often we get a lot of comments that are just nasty and mean, which I don't feel I deserve no matter how I look. My appearance has certainly been something I've struggled with for a long time, and it's something I've put on the back burner since moving to Quebec last year. I need to get serious about my weight and appearance, it's just hard to keep it going.
@BoopSnoot
@BoopSnoot 5 жыл бұрын
@@NileLivesey you mean feed back like "nice tits!" or "do the truffle shuffle!"?
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
@@BoopSnoot There's feedback when someone says 'hey you should try to include the trunk dimensions as it's an important buying consideration for people', and then there's 'feedback' when people think it's socially acceptable to insult someone based on the way they look.
@bfarm44
@bfarm44 5 жыл бұрын
Salad
@bfarm44
@bfarm44 4 жыл бұрын
I was fat, obese like him. Salad. Still chunky at 290 working down to 260. Had diabetes from being that fat. Beat it by getting serious about my food choices and intake amounts. Much easier to call myself obese but I changed it. Want to be around for your kids. Don’t be fat
@bfarm44
@bfarm44 4 жыл бұрын
So yeah, I feel better about myself and he could too, needs to loose 200 lbs easy.
@smug8567
@smug8567 5 жыл бұрын
You couldn't pay me to own a Testica
@TradLibChinaman
@TradLibChinaman 5 жыл бұрын
LOL!!!THIS IS BARELY A LUXURY MINIVAN!!!!THE TOYOTA ALPHARD/VELLFIRE IS A TRUE LUXURY MINIVAN!!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we don’t get that in Canada...
@TradLibChinaman
@TradLibChinaman 5 жыл бұрын
@@PRNTestDrive oh sorry but I mean a Older Elgrand or Toyota alphard/vellfire!!!
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
We'll have to look into them then, maybe one day someone might import them here!
@commonsense7787
@commonsense7787 5 жыл бұрын
This is a good video but you have a horrible millennial trait. The over the top hand movements when you address the camera are very annoying. It is too much "enthusiasm". You were likely taught that in some "public speaking" class but it makes you look juvenile. It is a fair criticism so don't get too bent out of shape over it.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I never took a public speaking class, but I’m glad to hear you’re an expert presenter.
@commonsense7787
@commonsense7787 5 жыл бұрын
Don't be a baby. Everyone does not alway get a trophy.
@PRNTestDrive
@PRNTestDrive 5 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@seanwilson305
@seanwilson305 2 жыл бұрын
Common Sense does not apply to their namesake.
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