So what do you think? Is this the last we've seen of FORG1VEN? Or will he end up playing in another region? Also, check us out @ Twitch.tv/thescoreesports, if you haven't already!

"The inability to adapt" Shows faker. "Mechanically gifted superstars from other regions" Shows Doublelift. Lmao.

Faker's LB went vs AN ENTIRE TEAM DRAFTED TO COUNTER ONLY him and HE STILL ended 4/1/7, hard carrying his failing team mates. This is the game you people chose to cite as an example of LoL pros 'inability to adapt'.. Especially when he went on to to win 2 more world championships after that. Irdk what to say.. That was probably worse than showing DL as an example for 'mechanical gods from other regions'.. SMH

Will he ever be Forgiven?

Never thought Steve Jobs was once a popular player in e sports

Δεν πίστευα ότι θα έβλεπα ποτέ Faker και αρχηγό στο ίδιο βίντεο.

I guess being an ADC main does cause hair loss

Should have mentioned Schalke's miracle run that happened without Forg1ven.

Mentioning Faker on Leblanc probably wasn't the best considering he was literally doing his best to solo carry that game lol

Video about the Schalke miracle run? :D

What a weird choice of tone to mock Forg1ven's army letter moment when it was one of the saddest moments in the entire EULCS history...

Damn man seeing forgiven so close to tears still hits as hard as back then. Rip Forgivens career, he ruined it on his own but he was still one of the greats for sure, too passionate for his own good

The level he was at at this one playstyle was insane. Something comparable was never seen before and will most likely never be seen again

It's funny how you showed faker. Probably the most flexible midlaner in league. At least he was till i followed the game (s6-7)

17:05 HAYATE ARMY POUSTOPEDA :)

Most skilled players from other regions: shows Doublelift

Undeaniable the most talented ADC ever seen in the West, sad that circumstances and his big ego didn't let him cement his throne at the top, but noone can disprove the fact that he was passionate and demolished every and any competition, even in the world stage. Literally every single game at worlds he pulled a cait ban, and the 1 game he didn't it had the highlight you saw.

As you said the issue with forgiven was always his ego, he was one of the true carries once the game was more about "if your carry gets feed you win", when riot move the game to be more team reliant forgiven had nothing to do but adapt and that's where he failed.

Need a video on Clayton " Captain Flowers" Raines please! One of the GOAT play-by-play casters!

u seem pretty biased on a negative way when giving ur opinion on him or his career

One of the most special players in League - by far.

Imagine putting this guy, DL and Dardoch on the same team

How did u make it so most achievements he had are to be looked at with an asterisk, while the failures are wholly explained by his attitude? I get you are trying to make this interesting first and foremost, but such a black and white narrative about Forg1ven's career is superficially true at best. In every other team sport, managers/coaches and staff on competitive teams are evaluated by the ability to form tactically solid squads, develop talented players and MANAGE THE EGOS OF SUPERSTARS. Somehow, in League, this is completely missing or rather is viewed by the community in a sense that the "toxicity" in a player INHERENTLY causes worse team performance. In my opinion, it is the failure to integrate such players into a productive team environment that causes most of the actual gameplay-related issues. Of course, the player also plays a role in that and rightfully doesn't get away with it for free, but a giant part of the blame has to be put on the org for failing to integrate the talent they brought in by choice. In Forg1ven's case, up until Spring 2020, his upside "by far" outweighed his downsides and he should have been an even more defining figure for European League. Instead, most orgs have not learned from H2K's success that year and many talented "toxic" players aren't even given chances by teams to this day. Why was only H2K really able to use the rigid and toxic talent? It was emphasized that he did not change his attitude no matter what while moving teams, so how did so many fail and one beat EDG? That would be, in my opinion, a great angle for a more detailed view of what Forg1ven's legacy in League is.

Kind of tragic, I remember watching him especially on SK and he truly was the best, he was such a big egomaniac, but he was just so good mechanically

hot take: EU wouldn't be at the level that they are at right now if forg1ven didnt exist

I Feel Like Forgiven would have been smurfing in the league with this current meta since Caitlyn is the best ADC. Or teams would ban it every game and he'd get stomped

It'd be so funny if he ended up in NA after all this. CLG Forg1ven incoming

One of the original League Heels, this man was practically the HHH of League

At 4:45 .I think that is enough to know . This guy wants to play with a team that wants to win

I saw the title with no thubnail cuz my 4G was acting up, but I just knew it had to be a video on forgiven based on the title alone xD

He is a good and competitive player, and because his recent team just didn't want to win as much as he did, they weren't as dedicated, he is the villain of this story? Damn y'all are soft asf

The best adc i've ever watched. This dude was STYLING with that graves. The rework and his short champion pool killed him. I remember teams banning Lucian, Graves and Caitlyn and destroying SK.

No matter what you think about Forgiven his passion and dedication will surely be missed. What a legend

17:05 the guy on the right is your daddy

"Not everyone can be a role model" People really need to understand this in esports holy f

just a little mistake in the video, the clip used in 0:44 where you say the inability to adapt to the meta can be devastating, you showed a clip of faker picking Leblanc, at that time LeBlanc was one of the strongest champs in competitive, hence why faker literally had 0 losses on the champ in his entire career at that time. However the enemy counterpicked it with, Morgana which is a known hardcounter to Leb. There is no correlation ob "inability to adapt to the meta" and that clip. But I guess every video of yours needs a mandatory faker clip so whatever.

Probably one of the first players from Europe who was able to compite toe to toe with Asian players in his role. He wasnt only the best adc in Europe, he also was probably one of the best adc in the world at his peak

"Now, if you're not familiar with *insert video topic* you're in for a treat." I probably will be for every upload in this series.

The 16:25 ESC Loken(adc) showed in the video is the same JDG Loken(jungler) that is top 2 in LPL right now. It's so surreal to think about.

Draken got CSGO'd at 0:29. Stop showing that clip as if it's his fault.

my favorite adc ever... love him sadly hes toxic and people hated him cause of that, but i remember his amazing plays on graves and lucian omg that was the reason that i watch proplay today

Few people know what kind of pressure Konstantinos Forg1ven had to face as a child, even from his own family, not to deal with gaming at the expense of his edugation and his future. This video can only capture a little of the reality he experienced. His road to top was full of obstacles from the beginning. He overcame all, cause he did what he loved most ... no help from anywhere. He trained alone in a country with no pro teams for endless hours in front of a pc screen sacrificing everything else. He found his way to Europe alone. He came from nowhere to reach almost the top of the world. Always alone but always armed with two weapons: His will & his love for what he did. He NEVER retreated, he NEVER compromised. He was himself and he remained himself. He did NOT blur, he did not change, he did not back down. He was not interested in liking to people & teams, but only what he considered right by setting higher goals in every step he took. The very good was never good enough for him. And that was his difference from teammates and teams he had to deal. Yes it's difficult to coordinate with such person. When he presses himself so hard, it's expected to ask more from the others. But cause of him, Europe went to a higher level. He was honest maybe the hard way, but honest. He indelibly carved his own path in LOL and became a legend because he was simply real. That's Forg1ven for some who really know him since child & that's the difference between those who think they know him. (sorry about my possible mistakes in English)

the resemblance between him (now), Toygar Isikli (Turkish musician) and Guardiola is mind-blowing

Forg1ven just being Greek. Many Greeks are like this. Competitive, big ego, talking trash, we are always right, and it's never our fault, it's always someone's else. We just that GOOD!

Forgiven will join a team with punisher and conquer Europe mark my word

5:25 Why show this play? Forgiven played this pretty bad honestly. Hit with Corki Q that could've been avoided, Thresh flay and death sentence. nRated showing up with the double stun on Annie won that fight, not Forgiven.

It would be interesting to see him move to caster or analyst in the LEC with how much passion he has for the game

Honestly, forgiven was what UZI was before season 6, but UZI changed and was able to find massive success in 2018.

THE LANE KINGDOM....FORG1VEN IS STILL YOUR FATHER

its funny how in "real" sports, this behaviour is way more accepted. MJ, Kobe and Jimmy Butler are prime examples in basketall.

can we talk about the one and only true swagglord Darien? his Zhonyas Renekton and, well... what happened with him?

bro I'm not joking, i got tears on my eyes when he had to go to the army. bro imagine your fucking one and only reason to leave bed, what makes your blood run, being taken away from you with no chance for you to deny it... God that fucking sucks. I know he's an asshole but he's a fucking insane player and nobody deserves that shit. poor dude

You sadly forgot the part where Schalke 04 had an absolute miracle run and made it to playoffs after forgiven was benched :( Story of God Gilius when?

Its kinda sad because forg1ven can really thrive in current meta. Lane dominant adcs like cait and jhin are strong and teams play around bot for drake soul so he could fit perfectly

Ive been a forg1ven fun since he was playing on local greek tournaments in 2012..I immediately realised he had a very bright future in this game and he proved it... Forg1ven at his peak was on Uzi's level. He definetely paid tribute to the evolution of this game.. Im pretty sure that he is still top level if he's competing on a team with will to win..tho,his lack of flexibility was clearly shown.. Bakc in the beggining of the split senna aphelios was perma botlane picked for every team every game and he was playing picks like xayah... By any means i dont criticise it that badly because sometimes a comfort pick gives more value than an OP one, but for a player at his prestige and his competitive spirit i would expect him to put more effort to master them

The only reason why his carreer never popped off was because of his supps. Forgiven was playing the most aggressive way i had ever seen. Each single time i was watching his games i knew shit would get real. He is a really good guy and im sad he is actually getting older and older i don't think he will ever pop off his carrer nowadays but god damn he was a legend personally. Also it is nice to mention that his playstyle would be tier1 back then with the meta we have now.

It’s so weird how people in pro league name “toxicity” the will to excel at all costs, extreme competitiveness and trash talking. Yes he is kind toxic but these attributes are not. Yamato saying that if you pick him up you set a bad example is by far stupid. If forgiven was a basketball or football player his mentality would be considered elite

When u have such a good mechanical and skilled ad carry player like forg1ven, u are forced to play around him... His passion for League of Legends doesnt only builds his ego but he makes him a strong winning condition... Although he had this much ego, he proved that he is one of the best adc's world has ever seen... Much love Κώστα

1:12 no flame but you murdered the name xD. Loved the video btw

I will support what Vander says..."FORG1VEN didnt play for 5 months before carrying H2K...he can be good whenever he wants to"...I saw him play LOL with his friend Pun1sher a couple days ago..and he did many outplays...As Rekkles says FORG1VEN and UZI was the most difficult opponent he played with..I wish S04 good luck but i continue to believe that they are a bad team...Hope FORG1VEN come back to LEC with a better team,more friendly and less toxic...For me he will be the best ADC BY FAR...

I was really sad when he was gone. He's for sure a lol personality

Forgiven was a Solo Queue player playing on the LCS. That's all. Also, the video skipped over why he was benched from Origen... Not many people know this but Forgiven came from a CS background. So, at the time he got to Origen, OverWatch had launched and he was CONVINCED it's gonna be the next big thing on e-sports so he skipped skrims with the team to get better on OverWatch... Aaaaand, that didn't sit well with the team. So they benched and released him. Talking about professionalism....!!

its somehow funny to see this after watching a video from tolkin that got in a team with him and forg1ven started to grief like after 5 minutes-

Man watching him on old graves makes me miss that version of the champion a lot.

put forg1ven and dardoch on the same team and watch the fireworks LUL

In my 7+ years YT career I always watched to see the best videos and be on top of the news. As of now at least, current team doesn't fit this principle. theScore esports is unable/unwilling to make changes to fit this goal, so we mutually agreed I stop watching until they are willing to do so I mean holy fuck this is a LoL video and there is no Faker/Ryu clip? WTF?

Bring him to NA he will fit right in. Huni dardoch and forg1ven would be some of the most fun games to watch

The truth about Forgiven is that as arogant he seems to be, he is NOT a bad guy. I happen to meet him and have known him for some time. I can tell you he is just too straight forward and doesn't "coat" his words in brighter colours as we all do. He knows his value as a player and he's proved it to be quite high.

''Mechanically gifted superstars from other regions'' - Shows Doublelift LMAOOOOOO

By Far.

Most mechanical player in other regions then proceeds to show the next best possible candidate for an ego implosion who does not want to adapt and wants the team to be centered around him. Very subtle.

Right now FORG1VEN plays with a streamer/pro player named Pun1sher every night almost every day on Twitch

Well as a greek guy That watches streams of forgiven , Hes actually a nice guy And very.... VERY ENTERTAINING to watch

i would love to see him playing again.

FORG1VEN: High risk high reward pick for a team, If you can accept his toxicity and make chemistry as a team you will be successful the other way Is to have a botlane that can only farm and stand behind the frontline without putting impact in the game. And FORG1VEN wasn't a promise that never happened, It happened and the whole League Planet remembers It...''By Far'' the best European ADC Ευχαριστούμε που μας έκανες περήφανους καραφλέ Pepega.

Always happy to see Rocket League make it in these vids. Its a good source of content forsure. Hopefully we get some more RL focused stuff.

I’d rather have a bad player than a toxic one

Whats the point of having a bunch of cuts to the zoomed in face of the commentator? Takes away from the video.

If you want to win and be the best this is the kind of attitude you need to have , people may not like it but its ok if you are the best , your team may not like it but its ok if you are the best. So the only flaw i see in all this is that at the time he joined shalke he was not at his top form he needed to give himself and his team time. To do that he had to drop his attitude until he was the best again , he did not so naturally he left. But he was by far the most satisfying adc to watch , the way he stomped every lane was amazing , i have not seen any other adc play like that.

Rocket League to open up an theScore esports video? Hell yeah!

I have had the pleasure of playing with this guy in soloque many times. Not that I am hating but he was a lot more toxic to random people than you may think. But yes, he was a good player, however with a shitty attitude.

Forgiven looks like someone you don't want to see on a playground bench

it'd be nice if you added links to copied materials like for Esports with Ocelone in description so it's easier for the viewer to find them

I spent the last two thirds of the video missing old Graves

Hopefully he will comeback again not like on Schalke

If i was a team owner i would bring back Forg1ven for the memes

This was well edited.

A video for AdmiralBulldog?

Cringe video. Shows DoubleLift when he said mechanically gifted superstar. DL brain runs like at 70 ping. Faker ping is like 2.

Ur content is so good

Forg1ven will be back

I don't even want those massive head shots in this video.

Forgiven crying after army calls him. (1 year service) Korean players "First time?" (2 years service)

"In some strange way you have to respect it." No. No you don't and respecting that kind of personality is what gives people incentive to never change.

When u flash in and 3 people come out of the river bush...

When will a video about Doublelifts decline come out?

Dude ended his whole career with a tweet.

With how much league has changed since his semifinal in 2016, he never really had a chance to be top ADC, with his style. I see FORGIVEN as Uzi v0.9 - a bit worse with a bit worse teammates.

Confidence makes you good. Only way you win. You have to believe you are the best

Forg1ven changed league forever . Respect