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*Ultimate Marvel: **_The Good, The Bad, and The Downright Weird_*

Ultimate Spider-Man is one of my favorite Comic runs of all time.

The Ultimate Universe had the potential to outshine the main Marvel universe but they definitely shouldn’t have Mark Millar or Jeph Loeb anywhere near that universe. Imagine if it was Bendis on Ultimate Spider-Man, Grant Morrison on Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ed Brubaker on The Ultimates and Mark Waid on Ultimate X-Men

Man, I miss the Ultimate universe. I followed it from the beginning to the The End.

I love how Marvel's solution to the whole X-Men mythos in the Ultimate Universe was to just make everyone a mutant or enhanced human. Juggernaut? Just a big, strong mutant, no magic bs. Mojo? Not an interdimensional being, just an abnormally large television producer with long, blond hair.

I remember having the ultimate spider man game

I consider the Marvel Cinematic Universe to be a blend of the Mainstream Universe and the Ultimate Universe, while being its own thing and just focusing on the stuff that made both universes good. Seriously, you have the "grounded in realism", which the UU was always about. And you had the over-arching story-arcs and plot-points from the original universe.

I've always been a DC fan for my entire life but as a kid, Ultimate Marvel was a universe always gravitate towards to and the feeling of creativity that was made in the titles. I wish they didn't cannibalize it at the end😢.

I loved the illustrations of the ultimate comics especially Peter's hairstyle.....

BENDIS!!! (This time in a positive way)

Recently finished Ultimates and Ultimates 2 & 3. While I was expecting it, Ultimates’ tone and feel in comparison to classic source material was so jarring compared to Ultimate Spider-Man.I felt like Ultimate Spider-Man was Bendis trying to make a definitive iteration of the character that incorporated decades of stories into one singular series more accessible for new readers. While I had no doubt he was trying to modernize it and make it feel more contemporary, I really thought Bendis was trying (and succeeding) at keeping the heart and integrity of the original character. Thus, Ultimate Spider-Man is a fantastic run for the character that would be a good start for anyone wishing to read about the character Millar’s Ultimates on the other hand, feels way more like an alternate universe where Millar was aware of the original characters’ more optimistic and altruistic traits, but deliberately wrote the characters sans these traits so as to write social commentary and the end result feels more like an Avengers parody.

I would love to see a return to the Ultimate Universe. We see in Spider-Men II that Earth 1610 has been resurrected in the Multiverse. So I would love for Marvel to revive the Ultimate lines. Maybe post Secret Wars and revival could bring back many who died.

The Ultimates and Ultimates 2 are my favourite comics of all-time.

“just the basic and classic elements" Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man: *standing proudly shoulder to shoulder* Ultimates: *incests loudly in the corner while Captain America spouts bigoted remarks and Hank Pym attempts to murder his wife with ants* Other heroes: okay maybe not THEM.

I loved the Ultimates but they were horrible people.

I always felt like bendis and millar different tones of the universe worked in a because of the perspective we’re see it from, for example Spider-Man life was normal until spider bite and still learning the world while the x-men are people who deal with hate and Prejudice for most of their lives and fighting against it, and the ultimates are directly connected to the military and see darkest part of the world and face it with no hesitation.

The Ultimate Universe is the Marvel Universe I grew up with! I Love Ultimate Spider-Man (Favorite parts were the Ultimate Spider-Man Venom Story Arc (I Love The Black Suit Design and Venom Origin) and Ultimate Mary Jane Watson). However I wish the X-Men From X-Men Evolution were the Ultimate X-Men instead of the ones we got!

I Love Ultimate Spider-Man! That's The Best Version of Spider-Man and the Inspiration for the MCU Spider-Man Films such as Homecoming and Far From Home

It is very interesting topic that you decided to explore. I do not think for the most part anyone has really gone into detail nor gone to the lengths that you have to explain The Ultimate's Universe. Now I remember this line very well when it came out...I remember at one point this line was actually being considered to replace the 616 universe as the main marvel universe for us to follow, but as I am sure you will explain in part two the intangibles that lead to this not happening prevented that goal from occurring. I remember at the time really enjoying the Ultimate's volume 1 and 2 in particular for the role Loki/thor played in all of this. I remember really enjoying the idea that this incarnation of Thor may not be all we believe , he may just be a man recovering from a nervous breakdown, who resembles a hero we know..but stole tech and gives off the impression he maybe (how that arch pans out is brilliant). Excellent video and I look forward to part two

I would call the ultimate comics some of the best series marvel has ever done if ultimatum didn’t exist

I love the ultimate Spider-Man comic run Funny thing is, the game of the same name convinced me to buy the series and trust me it was worth every penny

Like you, I got really into comics at the time the Ultimate line was launched. And I loved it. Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men and yes, even The Ultimates. I will argue and defend Millars run on Ultimates as a sort of elseworld, taken to the extreme version of the Avengers. A sort of Justice Lords or maybe even Watchmenesque deconstruction of the characters that commented very well on the zeitgeist at the time. Yes, as a team I prefer the 616 version, but I still find these versions of the characters intriguing, if not always likeable. Thor especially I like since that would probably be the reaction if someone came and claimed to be the Norse God of Thunder with matching powers, in a world where superpowers exist. Some would treat him as a messiah, and some as a lunatic. And at the same time, it is extremely entertaining in a wide-screen blockbuster way. But I can see how it isn't everyones cup of tea, especially considering how different the characters are to their main universe counterparts. But if you can look past that, you're in for a ride.

I remember buying vol. 5 ultimate spiderman in a giant tiger. The story line and way it was executed still to this day is one of the most cinematic graphic novels I have ever read its the one where someone impersonates spiderman and starts killing people and I loved Peter's internal monologs about how just some dude is one of his most damaging villians. And when he beats the snot out of him at the end like wasp told him to man this shit was incredible! Great vid 🕷

*QUICK NOTE:* Part 2 of this video will be available on Wednesday 12th September (2 weeks following the upload of Part 1). I aimed to have it up next week, but I don't want to rush it out and risk affecting the quality of it. Hope you enjoy!

I was fine with Millar’s take on the Ultimates. I think the problem is the fact that it’s very specific and very difficult for other creators to replicate; hence Jeph Loeb’s awful work.

Hiring Mark Millar was the beginning of the downturn.

If you look closely In ultimates you’ll see the later problems with the ultimate universe especially with the cannibalism

I remember reading the entire Ultimate Universe alongside Amazing Spider-Man. I read them back to back when taking breaks. I still have a soft spot for the Ultimate Universe, especially Ultimate Spider-Man.

I wasn't really reading comics yet when the Ultimate universe started and only read a few issues here and there. I just started reading the whole thing from the beginning, so this brief history of how and why it started was really great to watch. Plus it really helps put into words exactly how I'm feeling as I read the stories: Ultimate Spider-Man is really great and relatable and fun, while the Ultimates (and to an extent Ultimate X-Men) is kind of frustrating in its heavy-handedness and extreme departure from the classic versions of the characters. Another great comics history video from Owen, can't wait to watch part 2!

To bad they din't continue the Ultimates title after Secret War. They could at least continue it with mini serie, hell they could make some sort of tradition when the classic counterpat encounter the Ultimate, like DC did back in the 60/70's with the anniversary metting of the JLA/JSA!

I don't even remember where I first acquired my copy of Ultimate Spider-Man #1 (either borrowed from my cousin and never returned, or bought at a Walmart-like biz box store... No, wait, it was actually a JC Penny, weird), but I knew instantly this was the best comic I'd ever read. I read every issue through at least the first Sinister Six appearance, by which time I was firmly into reading stories from the Silver Age. I've dabbled with the other Ultimate titles, but Spidey was far and away the best and most consistent book in that lineup. I kinda hope the Miles Morales era of that comic feels like those early days of Peter's.

Man, these videos are amazing🙏🏼

I was looking forward to this video for a long time and you did not disappoint

Just discovered your channel, great video man. subbed. Looking forward to the rest of this series!

Peter Parker return from death and after incursion event he and Mary Jane died but ultimate universe alternate version is exist which exact same universe like ultimate but some changes like Peter survive fight with sinister six and miles not become spider Man that's why I like this universe

Walks into Ultimate Marvel video expecting a lively treatise of the line's early history, finds himself wondering what the heck is up with Rogue's outfit at 3:36. Perhaps the reason she's sulking is that she knows she's gonna be freezing tonight if she stays like that?

The problem with The Ultimate Universe - other than 'The A stands for France' - is that it brought Bendis and Millar into Marvel and made them successful, which in Millar's case was (i feel) very little to do with Millar or his work as the next Ultimate book (especially when it was decided to make it Ultimate X-Men) was guaranteed to be - at least initially - a sales success off the back of Ultimate Spider-Man's. But the success made bringing the two over to the 616 titles a sensible idea and thus we had years of them running roughshod over the main Marvel universe turning in horrible and/or or lazy books and derailing characters left, right and centre, with Bendis finding no corner of the MU that he couldn't make mediocre, and being given (for a good portion of this time) given very little editorial interference - which is how we end up with things like the mess with the Beyonder or the Izenfuther etc. As an alternate universe Millar's horrible, cynical take on the Avengers and Bendis playing fast and loose with continuity is fine because ultimately it isn't the Avengers or the Marvel continuity of old, the problem was them being allowed to do this sort of thing where it was a problem (IMO)

I got issues 3 and 4 of Ultimate Fantastic Four when I was 10. It’s been the only Fantastic Four run that I could get into.

Ngl, I think the ultimate marvel universe (in the beginning) should be the blueprint for dc's new 52. They reimagined and modernized the characters for a new audience without making it overly complicated, unlike the new 52 which made thinks way to complex and confusing and would sometimes leave certain continuity in (like batman's 75 year history condensed into 5).

Man I miss the Ultimate universe, It had so much potential.

Just found this channel a couple weeks ago great content bro keep it up 🔥🔥🔥 you should have more subscribers honestly

IT WAS A GOOD THING TIL ALL THE BEST CHARACTERS WERE KILLED.

Say what you want about the Ultimate Universe/Comics, but Oh. My. God. The ultimate universe had some of the BEST character designs i have EVER SEEN!! Just look at the X-Men suits, they're just--YES!!!

Nice video great editing

I gotta say I really enjoyed this video

Thanks for not editing your voice to where there are virtually no pauses in it.

Great video man

I had to replay one part of this about 3 times to hear that you said "thought bubbles" instead of "Thobobos". Enunciate!

I read volume one of ultimate spiderman and ultimate xmen recently. Spiderman was a great modern (at the time) retelling of spidermans origin that actually holds up pretty well. Xmen was decent, and the first story holds up alright say for a few weird things like wolverine x jean, but definitely isnt as good as the spiderman in this universe. And knowing what happens to each series later on, spiderman seems to continue as a fun retelling whereas xmen continues to make very odd choices that dont vibe

It became as convoluted as the regular line

Ultimate Spiderman #1 was my first Spiderman comic.It was one of the first comics that I've ever read besides Batman:Year One and Welcome back Frank

Okay, Walmart I get, but PAYLESS SHOES?

Ultimate Spiderman, Miles Morales got me interested in comics tbh but as the Ultimate universe continued... it got hella weird. Anyway, great video, Owen! Cannot wait for the second half!

The first 7 issues of USM are perfect to me. I love those issues the most out of the whole run.

Ultimate x men was the shit escape from weapon x is one of my favorite stories of all time

Ultimate Fantastic Four was so good!

I love this series, i grew up with them, great comics, mark bagley was the best

Oh so Brian Michael Bendis has worked on comic books that field lake movies as well, Interesting!

Here is rhe problem. The characters ages and decades of continuity was never ever the problem. The eventual decline of the ult universe and the endurance of the middle aged 616 universe is proof of this

I think they should try and do something like this again. Ultimate marvel, while having moments of greatness, needs another shot.

When Ultimate Spider-Man #1 came out, I dismissed it outright, having been burned by Spider-Man before. I feel like an idiot now.

1:43 So that's how Quesada became Editor in chief? Oh god. Then he goes on to make stupid editorial decisions culminating in One More Day.

i grew up with the ultimate marvel universe and i am super sad that its gone after 15 years of some good storytelling all good things must come to a end and that's just sad because i liked the ultimate marvel universe particularly ultimate Spider-man and ultimate x-men but after ultimatum man the entire universe went to hell.

Ultimate Spider Man is the best run ever. Hands down. You cannot stop reading it. I don't even like SM that much, give me Thor or Sentry but wow, that series was incredible. With Miles it continued to be amazing but now that he's in the 616 universe it's pure crap by comparison. Marvel will regret losing Bendis.

Amazing how Bendis went from a talented respected writer, to such a hack in few short years. Same could be said about Frank Miller.

Addressing political issues in comics is noting new and can be done super awesome and should be, because representation matters and people need mythic figures to look up to. But god they really made every single person in The Ultimates and like half of the X-men just the most unpleasant characters to watch sometimes.

Man I loved the ultimate universe. Mainly just Spider-Man

Read monthly comics growing up. Never quit reading occasional graphic novels or rereading my old collection. But I didn't come back to monthly comics till around the fresh start era of Marvel. So I missed the ultimate phase of marvel. Sometimes you only have to do one mistake to ruin something. I know about Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch in the ultimate universe. So, yeah. There are soooo many comics I haven't read yet. I can probably read until I die and never run out of comics to read....without ever reading anything from the ultimate era. Tbh, it's not just the Pietro and Wanda stuff. It also seems every time I say something I don't like about the mcu, someone replies, "but that's comicbook accurate from ultimate marvel" So much of the ultimate line is part of the leftover 90s vibe of "let's be edgy"

The difference between Miller And Bendis is charisma and lightness, Miller seems to constantly trying to bash the audience with shock value and violence, and it's okay, I do appreciate his work, but his dark approach can get really old. Bendis seems to take his time better and shows is the hearts of the characters, but Bendis does put some crazy and controversial spins here and there, just different styles.

It jars me every time I hear you pronouncing Millar’s name, brrrr

oh yeah, i liked this universe more than 616, until ultimatum happened... but after miles was introduced i got into it again. and ultimate peter parker is my favorite version of spidey. definitely.

The Ultimates were the weirdest part of the series, they got further and further away from heroism and was hard to get invested on them, the last arcs were just regular soldiers doing soldier stuff

Y’all notice how Kong was an obvious self insert for Bendis?

What are you saying at 6:06? The auto-generated captions are saying "Thor boreholes"

Three things that lead to today's failure of Marvel Comics" 1) In the 1990s, the "writing the Marvel way" came to a head as the artist realized the art was more important than the story and the writing, leading to them holding Marvel hostage to bad art, then to the lost of good(ish) artists to Image, then the giving their main titles to Image to publish. 2) The response of the writers thinking they are what makes comics work leading to the ultimate Marvel line, which had mixed results but tried to ignore Marvel continuity and decent stories where ever it could, moving to a post-Marvel type story, while leaving the remaining good artists at Marvel to fall into the ultimate Marvel line if they wanted to stay at Marvel, meaning they no longer were drawing the classic Marvel characters they has wanted to draw. 3) The collapse of the Marvel stable as new writers and artists with little talent and mis-management of the direction of the company lead to sudden changes to the classic main universe, legacy characters at the time people watching the movies would have sought the originals, and finally the practices of little editorial oversight, over politicization, high prices with low quality product and poor shipping practices, leading to the collapse of sales and the shifting of a major character to be published by a different publisher (sound familiar?).

I wonder, If they had actually gotten Freddie Prinze Jr. to play Captain America in the MCU like they tried to get him to play Cap for The Ultimates movie in the Ultimate movie, would they have gotten Sarah Michelle Gellar to play Black Widow instead of Scarlett Johansson? It would've been fitting since Joss Whedon directed the first Avengers movie. At least Ultimate Nick Fury got his wish to be played by Samuel L. Jackson. Also, I can't believe they made that crack about Robert Downey Jr. in the Ultimate Comics several years before the first Iron Man movie even came out.

Ultimate X-men was the first superhero comic series I've ever followed, later I found the ultimate run to be awesome I mean nothing was as "uncool" as the avengers until this comics. Later I picked up Ultimate Spider-Man and while I didn't get into the first few volumes today I'd say it's the more consistant and compelling spider-man run I've read. Then Ultimate 3 happened and even the might of Joe Mad (or maybe because of him since even with more classic storytelling it was a complete split from Bryan Hitch realistic style) could save this mess, then ultimatum I mean wow yeah... that was really something... that happened. But yeah they weren't wrong with the core concept of soft rebooting the Ultimate universe I remember dropping ultimate x-men 'cause it was already too convoluted and cringy way before Ultimatum came out (admittedly 13 year old me was kind of naive to wait a cohesive long running story from books switching creative team regularly). Anywaaay Ultimatum was bad but... THEN some years ago (maybe eight years?) I picked up an issue of "ultimate universe" (which was the last remaining "ultimate" title here in France) and while at that time I had grown very fond of the classic marvel universe when I read this issue depicting America post Steve Rogers presidency with Reed Richards being the big bad menace looming over earth and the united states being divided in so much factions like the Sentinel nation or something... It felt right and exciting. 'Cause that's the kind of impact super powered races, individuals and alien invasions every other day would have on the world or maybe not but the world wouldn't be the same at all after 10 years of Superhero sheananigans going on. It was still messy but... In the end I'm so glad we got a line of comics which was ballsy like that. They got over their head with it a lot of time searching for buzz but... It still felt more realistic and lived in than most of the big two title ever did. Thanks for the video, sorry for rambling, can't wait to hear your take on Ultimatum and all those... mishapps this line got through. Stay fresh!

I'm Love Ultimate X-Men.

This video articulates pretty much perfectly what I dislike about the Ultimates. Even Ultimates and Ultimates 2 come off as really unnecessarily edgy (edgy != "grounded") - as opposed to Ultimate Spider-Man which genuinely feels human and actually grounded

I find the Ultimates interesting, But I think that it suffered from a lot of other issues from Millars writing (of course this is my opinion) but I just think it tries too hard and Insists upon what it’s trying to be too much.

Ultimate Marvel Universe Was Best Comic Books In The Whole World As The Legendary & Heroic I'm The Ultimate X-Men So Greatest Heroes In Ultimate Marvel Universe But The Same Story From Old Days In Marvel Universe But Ultimate Marvel Was The Best Evening I'm Miss Ultimate Marvel Universe I'm Wish They're Making More From Battle Inavion Against Of A Lots Of Bad Guys They're Would Be So Great Another Secret Wars II If They're Making Another Ultimate Marvel Universe In Comics.

Interesting

Millar is a legendary writer

6:45 Jemas was right about that. The direct market has been killing the market for years. Distribution not the arbitrary quality within decided the fate of the comic They should've had an ultimate marvel magazine and serialized them that way. Getting comics out of shops is the way to go Hell having the issues collected into neat and easy to read collections made it a success, but marvel never learned the lesson that makes manga sell so well I don't like Millar at all but he was close. Comics don't compete with movies and videogames but they compete with Manga On the problems with comics distribution spacetwinks.itch.io/the-problems-with-comics Apparently there was an ultimate marvel magazine but I never saw them when I was younger. Anyway it should've been bigger

Guys Im looking for a comic book about spider man which I read when I was like 10. Only thing I remember about it is that either Eddie or Flash were in a wheelchair and a nurse was taking care of him and I think Peter blamed himself for what happened. Was that ultimate spider man?

0:00 asw?

God I love comics!

...Payless shoes, really? How did I miss that?

Finally!

I get the criticism for the Ultimates but goddamn, I bought some numbers to school and talked about it with my friends and shit, they all wanted to read it.

I love Ultimate spider-man. It is one of my favourite comics of all time.

I really enjoyed the ultimate universe

it's strage actually...i only started reading comics a few weeks back and have been buirning through all the ultimate marvel stuff....i loved the ultimates stuff. thought them being slightly dick headish was great and made me enjoy it more...was kind of expecting it to be a bit cheesy super good guy all the time stuff.

I dont mind ultimate universe except for turing spiderman back into a kid whats wrong with spiderman being a man

You would think the first question you would ask when hiring someone to write X-Men would be “Do you know anything about the X-Men?” 🤷‍♂️

Does this mean that Civil War took place in the Ultimate universe? (Sorry, I'm a newbie)

I liked Ultimate Captain America.

Civil War is great? Since when?

Marvel Knights was the imprint responsible for saving Marvel Comics from bankruptcy, not Ultimate.