The Rite of Spring - Bassoon solo, "1st rehearsal" 1913

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4 ай бұрын

From the 2005 BBC TV movie, "Riot at the Rite". Thanks to ‪@leonidassavalas745‬ for bringing this scene to our attention.

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@jimmorgan5612 4 ай бұрын

The odd thing is that Stravinsky wrote this for the French bassoon which had a much more fluid range that the German bassoon. A high D shouldn't have been a problem, but I don't know the historical background of the first rehearsals. I grew up on German bassoon in HS, but have played the Buffet for the last 50 years until I could play no longer.

@lbfeline2782 4 ай бұрын

My thought exactly. And the fingerings are different so that high range is not so awkward .

@lucpraslan 3 ай бұрын

Yeah fingerings for the highest notes on the French bassoon are easier than on the German bassoon 👍🏻👍🏻

@premanadi 3 ай бұрын

It would not have been a problem, as shown here. French bassoon music of the time and earlier regularly went a full tone higher than the high D of this solo.

@jwinder2 3 ай бұрын

Weber wrote high D’s in his concerto more than a century before this was written. The distinction between German and French bassoon systems didn’t really happen until later in the 19th century.

@StinkinGoodAle3241 2 ай бұрын

I've got to wonder if Stravinsky new the difference between French and German bassoons at the time. Anybody know what was the prevailing instrument in St. Petersburg back then? I don't remember his teacher, Rimsky-Korsakov, making a distinction in his orchestration book. The one thing I would be surprised by would be if Stravinsky wasn't expecting it to sound strained, awkward, possibly even a broken sound. I suppose a modern equivalent would be whether Ferneyhough expects everything to sound graceful or not.

@lesterpossum4088 3 ай бұрын

“No it’s really supposed to be a bassoon. I want to see Debussy’s face when he hears what I’ve done to Afternoon of a Faun.”

@rominn2184 4 ай бұрын

And monsieur Saint-Saens walked up to the orchestra pit at the premiere, looked into the pit, saw that the bassoon was playing this, shook his head disapprovingly, and walked out of the theater.

@willmorris8198 4 ай бұрын

And yet Saint-Saëns wrote even higher notes in his bassoon sonata

@matswessling6600 3 ай бұрын

cute, but not true.

@iltromboncini32 3 ай бұрын

Saint-Saëns wasn't at the premiere...

@premanadi 3 ай бұрын

@@willmorris8198Indeed, as did all French composers of the time writing contest pieces for the Conservatoire.

@jwinder2 3 ай бұрын

Isn’t it nice when people concoct stories, then post them as truths?

@johnmanno2052 3 ай бұрын

The silly song that was sung to this except by students in music schools when I went, was: Why not an English horn? This is too HIGH for me, Why not an English horn??

@tennislibra 3 ай бұрын

Hilarious! I will forever remember this

@user-zs9sw6cx4p 3 ай бұрын

No Cor Anglais because Stravinsky wanted to mimic to instrument of indigenous people.

@johnmanno2052 3 ай бұрын

@@user-zs9sw6cx4p lol. That....or because he thought doing things the hard way was part of art. Or so he said. Awkward is good.

@GFH-rp8or 3 ай бұрын

We always sang it as "I'm not an English horn, I'm not an English horn, this is too high for me, I'm only a bassoon"

@johnmanno2052 3 ай бұрын

@@GFH-rp8or LOL. Which school? Mine was Eastman

@thinkOfMeAsAClassicalMusician 2 ай бұрын

Wow! Didn’t know they filmed this!! Great to be able to see snippets of such a historic moment caught on camera!!

@ethanpederson 2 ай бұрын

In case you aren't joking, this is from a TV show.

@gageking5448 3 ай бұрын

Great melody… lifted in Paul Young’s Wherever I Lay My Hat That’s My Home 🫠

@brassysounds 3 ай бұрын

Check out the similary to "We are the champions, my friend." Love it.

@ChasR8 4 ай бұрын

I COULD WATCH THIS ALL DAY LONG 😅🤣😅😆😁😄

@skrypman 4 ай бұрын

😅😂

@premanadi 3 ай бұрын

This is very cute, but high C and D would not have been a problem for a professional French bassoonist of the time. Solo bassoon writing regularly went to high E and that register is fairly easy on the French bassoon (compared to the German). There are early 19th century works that go to high D (Weber concerto) and Eb (Berwald Konzertstuck). .

@buckbreaker5185 3 ай бұрын

*ackchually*

@magicaltour1 Ай бұрын

It’s TV show attempting to drum up drama where there was none. The idea of an artist frustrated by his contemporaries’ inability to grasp his genius makes great television but bad history. Indeed, it’s suspected that the riots at the premier had to do with the dancing, not the music.

@premanadi 29 күн бұрын

@@magicaltour1 Yes, the music on its own was very well-received exactly one year later - it was a triumph for Stravinsky.

@martinbennett2228 3 ай бұрын

I have a bassoon (Puchner) of the period; there is a fingering for a high D but I do not think I have ever managed to get the note. It might be possible with the right reed.

@pef1960 3 ай бұрын

Anyone know the words to the opening Bassoon solo of RoS? "Iiiiiiii'm not a Cor Anglais...".

@briansransom 2 ай бұрын

Stravinsky didn’t like the saxophone. He once remarked that it reminded him of a pink slimy worm. Undoubtedly he heard someone playing jazz.

@choisyaternata8050 4 ай бұрын

Paris 1913 and everybody speaks posh English. Of course.

@AndreyRubtsovRU 4 ай бұрын

There are also video cameras filming apparently

@handavid6421 3 ай бұрын

the idiots used actors instead of the actual people that were responsible for the premiere

@Biber0315 3 ай бұрын

"The fingering, Maestro, it's very difficult." ... Are you not a professional bassoonist?

@DouglasESmith-fu7di 2 ай бұрын

I would never talk to a composer or conductor like that. You would get fired. I would shut up and play the part the best I could and then hit the practice room. Double reed players? Am I right?!

@jpsned 2 ай бұрын

@@DouglasESmith-fu7di Exactly what I was thinking! I could never imagine complaining about the fingering being "too difficult." The composer/conductor would have every right to kick my butt outta there and find someone else to do it. (That reminds me of an incident when I was in grad school--I was playing bass clarinet in Wind Ensemble and one section had some high D's, which can be challenging on that horn. The conductor noticed that they weren't coming out as loud as he wanted them too, so--in front of the entire ensemble--he suggested to me that I take that part down an octave. I replied, "Well, then it wouldn't be any fun!" He laughed along with the rest of the group and I eventually got the D's to where they needed to be.

@jaz499 2 ай бұрын

What movie is this?

@HardcoreFiddle 2 ай бұрын

BBC's Riot of the Rite

@leonidassavalas745 4 ай бұрын

One could offer a "fingering" suggestion. On the other "hand", the scene starting at around kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMmKas-Xyc66gas.html @30:10 had a profound effect on me. The diplomacy portrayed by Rachael Stirling as Marie Rambert is beautiful, and something I have (unsuccessfully) tried to implent into my own interactions. I trust you enjoyed this first quality film, as I have. Thank you, Mr. Bassoon.

@JayBassoon 4 ай бұрын

Yes, thoroughly enjoyed the film! Marie Rambert's diplomacy indeed comes off as inspirational. The bassoonist (as represented in the move) seems to have solved the fingering dilemma in the performance at @48:04. Though the bassoon of 1913 might have had a few less keys than its modern counterpart, the difficulty in the solo probably had more to do with the newness of expressfully controlling these uppermost notes of the register. Their reeds and bocals probably weren't ideally set up for this.

@leonidassavalas745 4 ай бұрын

...offer a finger (ing suggestion). Yes, that's clearer. @@JayBassoon

@pmay0922 4 ай бұрын

Is this part of a film?

@michaelwilliamybarra2409 4 ай бұрын

Yes and the info about the film is in the description box for this video.

@andrewwilliams2353 3 ай бұрын

It was from a television presentation on the BBC called "Riot at the Rite". The production values were exceptionally good, as were all the performances. If you can get hold of a copy I can heartily recommend it

@paddyd7009 3 ай бұрын

@@andrewwilliams2353 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMmKas-Xyc66gas.html

@Benjybass 3 ай бұрын

Sounds VERY much like the opening notes of Edith Piaf's "La Vie en Rose" to me... maybe she was inspired by this?😅

@bennischwarzfisch1828 3 ай бұрын

Edit Piaf wurde erst 1915 geboren. Wer hat von wem sich inspirieren lassen ?

@tsuntakcheung8243 4 ай бұрын

Totally wrong. It was written originally for the English. The English-Horn first three tries was so disastrous, the first Basson start to play the Solo to mock him. Stravinsky change his orchestration right after that to the basson.

@RiceWitch-dingus-400 4 ай бұрын

why would an english horn struggle with that!

@AndreyRubtsovRU 4 ай бұрын

Can you tell us the source?

@ryankennedy3109 4 ай бұрын

Following. This doesn't sound right. @@AndreyRubtsovRU

@seebas89 3 ай бұрын

Source: your ass

@RiceWitch-dingus-400 3 ай бұрын

@@ryankennedy3109 agreed I really don’t see how it would be so hard for an English horn. Also the English horn is in a different key, did he just rewrite the part on the spot?