My sacrifice wasn't for nothing! Your video Vex made it all worth it, thank you sir.

I like how NVIDIA continues to be persistent disappointing their customers.

NVIDIA has been lowering the ram on all their cards since the 30 series in order to force you to upgrade sooner. It's not stupidity, it's deliberate obsolescence.

If AMD grows a brain and launches a 196-bit, 12gb card for the same 330$ MSRP as the 12gb RTX3060, then nvidia will be in some deep shit.

at 500 dollars you can buy an RX 6800XT which is nearly 30 percent faster

I love how amd and intel don't have to do anything, nvidia is doing the marketing for them.

Nvidia's next marketing move is that the 4060 Ti is meant to be used in SLI mode.

i thought the mining community lived in their own reality, selling heavily used cards at ridicules prices, but its actually nvidia, getting high on their mining boom bottled up farts who lost touch with time and reality.

GREAT RTX 4050Ti 16GB

Nvidia made a 4050 TI with more VRAM than 4070 Tis that cost more than double the price when this doesn’t have enough power to even push settings that use a full 16 GB and said: “🗣️🔥This is some heat! Drop it in July!”

Update 1-10-24 - Today, the 4060ti 16GB priced at $450 is the best bang for the buck for Generative AI purposes that strictly require an Nvidia GPU, second closest is an additional $500. I didn't buy them for gaming so not concerned about that usage.

Nvidia should've unlaunched this too

I rememeber hearing someone say "There's no such thing as a bad video card, only bad prices"

Nvidia and AMD's only excuse this generation is GREED. Let their GPU's rot on the shelves.

I personally think the 4060 ti 16GB card was solely created, not for gamers... but for those who are trying to get into AI. A lot of AI related things require more than 8GB VRAM, and perform best using Nvidia cards. I kinda wish that Nvidia marketed this card for AI acceleration, instead of for gamers. It might have gone over a little better.... mabye... mabye not

I remember buying a 980ti day one for £549. A flagship GPU..... It was such a good deal and lasted me years.

I’d much rather use a 40 series card at 100-200w than a 30 series card at 240,000,000w

Why not just made 4060 192bit/12GB and 4070 256bit/16GB? How much expensive the wider bus is? The gpus have increased in price anyways...

What Nvidia should do next Rtx 5050:10GB Rtx 5060:12GB Rtx:5070:16GB Rtx 5080:20GB Rtx 5090:24GB

The 2000 series won't be any longer the worst generation, I can finally enjoy my 2070 super

Got an RX 6800xt for just over $450 on prime day as thr centerpiece for my first build. Never even considered Nvidia due to such poor price to performance.

you missed the part where you explain that "if you are coming from a 10 series card, the 4060ti is great for people who are coming from WAY older systems." but i guess your target audience is people who waste money on graphics cards every time they come out

I just got a 4060ti 16GB for $330 for Black Friday. Very impressed with the performance

Idk why but I found this channel and it’s now my Favorite PC channel Good Videos!

For machine learning, Nvidia has a coding monopoly. All AI is coded for Cuda. No one takes AMD seriously. Nvidia's cards don't change much, generation to generation, architecturally. They're easier to code for. But the prices are absolutely ridiculous. For me, the sweet spot for the last 2 years has been the older Titan RTX. Can work in a pair for 48GB VRAM, potentially saving thousands over an A6000.

You'd think that 16gb would be more suitable for the 3070 or even 4070 but nope! Let's use that to a card that won't utilize it that much!

The 4070 in comparison isn't so bad after all. The cheapest 4070 have dropped to 579. And the cheapest 4060 Ti 16GB is 549... How can anyone justify spending this much for a low-tier GPU?

the 16gb version wasnt made just for gamers lol.. the extra gb is also for people who do 3d content or any content,rendering,video editing.etc..duh and you can still enjoy games on ultra at 1080p

The difference in VRAM-limited situations between the 8GB and 16GB 4060ti is enormous (no stutters and up to 4x fps in for example Callisto Protocol with RT), so the extra $100 is well worth it. But at a $500 price point something like the 6800XT makes more sense if you dont care about power draw. There is approximately 13GB or RAM available to developers on the PS5 console, BUT they cant allocate all of that just to the GPU alone. Realistically, they allocate around 8-10GB of VRAM to the GPU on the PS5 (TLOU1 remake was using 10GB of VRAM for sure). In my opinion, GPUs with 12GB of memory will be sufficient for a long time if someone game at 1080p. The most VRAM demanding games however will require some tweaking at higher resolutions for sure. For example the R&C Rift Apart can easilly fill 12GB of VRAM at 4K. For example I saw 3080ti gameplay at 4K DLSSQ and fps went from 25fps to 100fps when game was no longer using over 12GB of VRAM.

I think the move to lower VRAM is due to NGreedier wanting to kill the amateur AI creators out there, and move them to more expensive professional options. Just like how you can download a productivity GPU drivers set for NGreedier, or game ready drivers. If performance there is limited by it's frame buffer significantly, that will be the proof.

this should cost 300$ and named RTX 4060 and be 10/12GB not 16GB.

Coming from a 1080p gamer here, we stil exist. I bought an RX 7600 OC and it can do 1080p no problem and in most cases it can handle 1440p pretty fine too. Not everyone is switching to 1440p YET.

Good point about wider buses scaling better to 1440p. I think's likely correct for a significant number of titles. Trouble is, this is not a GPU worth putting a 256-bit bus on, or even 192-bit. Adding a bus costs in many ways, space on the GPU, lines on the board, it all costs. Who knows what the BOM on this was, but the 4N node and space on the GPU massive cache was a big part. Cache genuinely does mitigate for slower memory, but because of that, faster memory then makes little difference to performance. You can look at this in the CPU space. Get an X3D CPU on your board and suddenly RAM speed adds much less to performance than it did before.

The other issue is unsold stock from the previous generation (3000 series and amd's 6000 series cards). Both companies overproduced for the crypto mining boom and when it crashed had a lot of unsold cards. They deliberately gimped their new generation in order to make the last generation cards still attractive so people would buy them.

I bought an Nvidia 4060 Ti with 16Gb, and it's a very good card, and I am fully satisfied by it's performance! It is miles ahead of my previous GeForce 970, with the extra benefit of having lower power consumption. My friend still owns his 3060 Ti, and my 4060 Ti outperforms his one, in every game we tested. The hate towards this card comes only because of its price, otherwise the performance is fully justified.

Hi Vex, I love the content and I want to thank you for your help regarding which GPU I should buy. I went ahead with the Asus Dual RX 6750 XT. I upgraded from GTX 1060 3 GB and I am amazed by the performance of this card ! All settings Ultra at 1080p and I have been getting more than 90fps on avg. I couldn’t be happier. However, Iam getting a bit of coil whine. I have researched and found out it might happen due to a weak PSU. I have a Cooler Master MWE v2 650w 80+ Bronze Rated PSU. I thought it would be enough and I dont encounter any spikes or stutters in my games or daily use. I’m not sure why it might be. Could you provide some info on this too? Thanks again

I guess Nvidia made it pretty clear, the 16GB 4050Ti is not for gaming (at least not its primary purpose), but for some AI calculations, a large proportion of the gaming community just could not accept the fact that they are no longer the VIPs to be served (or have their "feelings" considered), and obviously Nvidia is aware of the presence of the massive decommissioned mining cards in the used market, if they had to complete the price with those used mining cards, they don't see it profitable and decided to prioritize the AI demand that 40 series exclusive properties is a necessity, rational business decision IMHO (of course it is unpopular to the gaming community, but Nvidia knows the "reputation" of the company means nearly nothing to this market segment, people will still need to swallow the 50/60 series pill when the massive stockpile of the 30 series mining cards dry out eventually). At the end of the day, even those "picky" folks will buy the new cards when Nvidia release some decent products again, why should they care about your feelings? This was already proven in the mining era, we see no boycott when the 4090 was release even gamers were mistreated in the past years, gamers won't punish AMD/Nvidia for their past actions, if so, why should they care?

Well hey, if you're a data scientist major wishing to build a 'budget' PC with a decent hardware for deep learning and AI workloads, that 16 GB RTX 4060 TI is a steal! Before, our only option was the 12 GB RTX 3060, which was an okay card, but that 16 GB will surely open other possibilities for bigger and more complex model, with enough CUDA cores .

Man, the prices here in Australia are even crazier. I was looking at the 4060ti 16gb and found one for $910 AUD, the. i noticed I can get a 4070 for $950 AUD from the same store. I don’t understand how that is justified or how the pricing works here but it’s ridiculous

Nvidia with their shady business practices and people have the nerve to Call Out AMD because they “Think” DLSS is being blocked from the biggest game launching in 2023

Another banger 720p card woooooo

Hey so I’ve been thinking if the 4060 cost 300 for 8gb vram and whatnot well what if I get two. Then it’ll be 16 gb vram and the latest nvidia technology’s while not spending more than 600 or 650 any thoughts or information is appreciated

Great stuff, thx! Your mention for the niche case was spot on and it's rare to find this aspect in recent videos, as everybody is always focused on gaming. But that's not everything you can do with those cards. The creative people and those who use generative AI are longing for this, and right now the 16Gb version is the best Nvidia option unless you're ready to go above the 500 dollar threshold. Nvidia knows that too and now wants to milk customers before AMD and others catch up. But yes, aside the narrow bandwith the price is the main problem, from all perspectives.

Happy with my 6800 xt, just got it for $325 second hand.

This is the biggest comedy that i have seen for a while.

It takes only 7 months to make this vid obsolete. Anything below 16GB is not worth for generative AI. It is not about speed. It is about life and death, whether a programme can infer a result or not.

Featured you and this video in my new video releasing tomorrow. Good work!

They add VRAM to the one card that needed it least, overprice it and then they will be: Why would we increase RAM on the others? You didn't buy the 4060 16gb. It's just ridiculous.

If they only fixed the memory bus and the price...

Hey, if I have 200$ - 300$ to spend, which is the best GPU to buy today for gaming and normal web browsing?. I'm so confused for my pc build.

Actually you missed a lot of points. 16G model bring big advantages for some cases. But you evaluate its value for unrelated uses cases such as FPS. Nobody buy 16G model for better FPS at well optimized and current games. The game like Hogwars consume too much VRAM. Also in 2 years I am sure most new game will required more VRAM than 8GB. So this 16G model will take advantages for that uses cases. another thing is AI. AI tools like stable diffusion need more VRAM to handle tasks. People who are work with such tools will buy 16G model. It is much cheaper than 4070, not to mention 4080 and 4090 price is sky.

The ideal config for these cards, at around the $400 US price point, would have been a 12 GB version with a 192 bit wide memory bus. That's a card people (besides Nvidia fan boys) could not only defend credibly, but actually feel they're getting their money's worth. Nvidia could put 32 GB of VRAM on this silicon, and it would still suck due to that 128 bit wide memory bus. It also makes me wonder what Nvidia thinks is the right use case for the 4050 series; 720p? Or maybe 480p? Progress is dead, long live progress.

16gb will age amazingly.

I think they both have their place. If all you are looking for is rasterization, go AMD as that's what their primary focus is. You don't have to pay for tensor cores, or RT cores, just basic rasterization. Personally I think consoles are great for that, and I have a PS5 myself. If you want more than rasterization, and are willing to pay for tensor cores for DLSS/DLAA + frame generation (which frame gen is spectacular), or need cuda cores for apps, go with Nvidia. Nvidia has the extras to artificially double your frame rate, and it's actually quite good. I was playing a path traced Cyberpunk the other day and decided to shut it off and see what the game naturally looked like in a busy area with default lighting, and that's when I seen how big of a difference it actually was and one of the few games I keep DLSS + Frame gen on for rather than native 4k. Not even a top of the line AMD for $1000 will get you there though, and once UE5 gets more implementation with their feature set, we will find out how well AMD really does with just a heavy focus on rasterization without all the extras. Not everyone wants to pay extra for tensor/RT/Cuda cores and that's understandable, but know you are going to pay for them if you want them, and AMD not having them means you can pay only for rasterization only without the extras, and there's a market for basic playing of games. Nvidia with the extras is always going to cost more for those extras, and until they convince people (steam stats seem to show that they have) that their extras are worth it, you have the option to go with the minority leader instead. There's a GPU for everyone here, and luckily there's 2 companies to target different areas of the market. Maybe they should had eliminated tensor cores/RT cores all together on the 4060 and put it into rasterization instead, but they are heavily focused on RT/DLSS at this point and now it is a bundle package. If it isn't for you, it isn't for you.

Guess we'll see how it goes for me - I'm coming from a 1660 Ti and wanted a more modern upgrade that has 16 GB and went as low as possible $ wise, so timing it up with cyber monday meant I could nab a 4060 Ti 16gb for $450. Even if it's subpar to others, the alternatives cost more than I wanted to spend or didn't have 16 GB. I think in my niche situation of just wanting *any* valid upgrade that satsifies that, I might be in the target audience for this (whatever that is)

Somewhere, somebody is buying a 4060 ti 16gb and I wonder what thoughts are going through their head.

it's sad because nvidia is now a trillion dollar company and doesn't care if we buy the 40 series or not and will probably continue to disappoint

I just came here to say I love the thumbnail and I love how you ended the video length at 16:16, lmaooooooooo

nice content bro your channel will grow a lot keep the good work.

You missed virtual reality. VRAM also matters for VR because you are using 2 individual displays on top of whatever you have going on with your desktop displays. So, if they priced it properly, it would have assisted some VR users

In the years to come I could see Nvidia 4060 Ti 16Gb staying on top in terms of value and technical edge vs AMD if upcoming games rely extensively on DLSS 3 to guarantee high FPS at 1440p. Unless/until FSR catches up 😅

Nvidia used to do this crap before, remember the gt 640 with 4gb vram, that thing was a potato, that amount of vram was completly useless

To be fair, NVIDIA is jacking up prices because they know they will get what they're asking, whether it's now or eventually, when the elevated prices of GPUs becomes a normality down the road. Real solution is to have a competent rival that's pushing prices down, which seems to be a hit or miss lately.

For me it looks like Nvidia is focusing on renaming Stuff as i remember was the 4070ti a 4080 with lower Vram.

The rtx 4060 ti chip is called AD 106, which means it was intended as the 4060, not the 4050 ti. The 4060 has AD107, which means it was intended as a 4050/4050ti.

Great thought and analysis, Vex. Also from Daniel Owen channel testing of 8 vs 16 GB 4060Ti , the Frame Generation they championed in marketing of 4060 Ti 8GB actually make it consume more VRAM , at least on CP2077. Thats ironic on Nvidia side...😂😂 Also from Yuzu devs, 128 bit bus will make upscaling on 4060Ti perform worse than 3060Ti with 256bit...

Great video. Love your work, dude.

I thought I would regret buying a 3060 ti in July of last year because of the 40 series coming out but now that they’re out and pretty bad I guess my choice wasn’t bad lol

What difference would bus width make? Bandwidth of 4060ti is 288GB/s (Not including the cache) which translates to roughly 36 Gigabytes per sec. That's a massive data transfer per sec. Even a 4k scene does not require that much data per second to render. Bus width is NOT A LIMITING FACTOR when it comes to games. It can cause bottleneck, but only if the game is heavily data streamed. Maybe a flight sim kinda game at 4k ultra everything on. There bus width maybe a limiting factor. Most games are rendered and processed on the go. Hence they rely heavily on GPU processing at higher resolutions. Bus width does not bottleneck the games. VRam can, because to render a scene, sometimes over 12 GB is required in memory on 4k, but bus width does not affect squat in 99.99% of the games. This bus width adage is from the stone ages that more bus width = more performance. Also, 4060ti is NOT A 4K CARD. 128 bit is way way more than enough for 1440p. Flight Sim also does not stream 36 GB data at that resolution. There is NO game on the mainstream market which will ever get bottlenecked by 128bit at 1440p or below resolution so bus width isn't a problem with 4060ti. MASSIVE reduction in processing units is the main problem with 4060ti. Games utilizing multiple GPU cores better will show negligible uplift over 3060ti or may even perform worse. Bus width has almost 0 affect at 1440p or lower resolution so stop whining about higher bus widths.

Help. I am upgrading from a 1070ti, and want to have a modern GPU with similar TDP (180), to avoid the need to upgrade the PSU. Everything points to the 4060ti 16GB with 165TDP being a good match... Does a better card exist?

It should have been 256 bit bus like the 3060ti and more cores, it has far less than the 3060ti. Or they could have made it 196 bit bus with 12gb memory, that would have been a good compromise.

It's great for stable diffusion or any AI, I copped one since it has more vram than the 4070. Decently good for gaming since I'm coming from a 1070 too, not like you have good alternatives in AMD.

Really enjoying your cat having a great time in the background

There is no thing as a worst GPU, just the most badly priced GPU.

Like Linus talked about on WAN Show, even if they asked DOUBLE the price of the DRAM/VRAM it would've been about 50 dollars, not 100. This is just greedy and shameless.

Just buy the 4090 I don't know what is wrong with you people 😅

funny thing is, after driver updates and some time, just as I told everyone at the time, the 2080 Ti is actually faster than the 3070 by a decent margin now. Watching recent (within the last 6 months) comparisons of these cards illustrate this perfectly.

What Steve at HUB was saying was that the 128 bit bus doesn't make things worse to have 16gb vs 8gb. He's saying that even a 64 bit bus would work the same with 8gb or 16gb ram. He wasn't saying in the statement that a 128 bit bus was fine.

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I hated the price but that's the GPU I wanted LOL A 3070 like with 16GB VRAM with a lower power consumption and small enough to fit nicely on an itx case. And no, AMD is not an option when you need the GPU for VR

I love how you use parts of Hollow Knight soundtrack in your videos it always goes hard I would love to see a Hollow Knight video and maybe compare it to how modern AAA games are today

I have to respectfully disagree.

yea 4070ti only 12GB and 4060ti 16... make so much sense

The 4060ti should've always just had 12GB. That's what they should've done. No 8GB model, no 16GB model, just a happy combo of the two at 12GB. EDIT: Maybe even just a 10GB model would've been better, since the 4070 is already at 12GB.

It is funny for people think the 4060ti is a 4050ti, nvidia wouldnt sell you a 4050ti that was this close to a 3070. Techpowerup says it is 5% slower than the 3070. It is too bad and too expensive to be a 4060ti, but too good to be a 4050ti. Is is also funny to care about the name of gpus or gpu die, they dont really matter tbh, the price is the problem. If the 4070 ti was called a 4080 12gb but cost $600, everyone would cheer for it, price to performance is the problem, not name to performance. Even if they used the the AD101 die that is usually reserved for the best gpus but still performed like this, it would still be trash. If the 4090 had a AD107 low tier die and kept its performance & power usage, nobody would care. The problem is the performance. We dont care how they do it, we just want the performance we paid for. Dont teach nvidia that they can change the die naming scheme & unsuccessfully trick us.

Would buying MSI's GDDR6X version of 3060 Ti be actually better for the average 1080p gamer? I don't have a 4k monitor so I don't need to use stuff like upscaling or frame generarion I don't train AI models on it for a living, but I want to be able to I do plan on dabbling in some video making/editing, so there is a slight edge in buying Nvidia for me

For artificial intelligence learners or hobbyists like me, 16GB of VRAM is quite meaningful with a CUDA enabled hardware. A770 has also 16GB but there is no support for CUDA on Intel GPUs. CUDA is actually de facto standard in AI, especially for training.

IMO it's a great GPU that will last people YEARS It's simply 150-200$ too expensive. But if I were to get one rn I definitely wouldn't regret it

It’s crazy how the top tier card from Nvidia, is the best value card as well 😂

Sad that I will have to wait until the 5000 series to upgrade from my GTX1060 6GB. One thing that I will give the 4060 and 4060 Ti is that it's power consumption is really low. Might be useful in some sort of low power ITX portable build or something.

also, historically, 50-class cards were around $150 - $175 tops. When you consider this, it _really_ puts into perspective just how hard nvidia is trying to screw us.

I hate these clickbait titles you people do. The card is great, just not the best price. Doesn't mean its a bad GPU in any minor way, and it isn't. Just imagine how many people sit there seeing a fat discount on an amazing nvidia card and just go "nuh uh, youtube guy said its bad" so they proceed to get a worse card... Why even bother making a review if you're just gonna sit there and review a price tag for 16 minutes straight, especially considering the price tag changes drastically depending on where you live. For me a 4060 ti 16gb is 450$, a 6800 xt is 700$, no sane person would go for the 6800xt in this scenario, unless people like you trick them to. If you want to buy a new card, the 4060 TI is an amazing choice, period.

if amd wasnt such a joke when it comes to blendr and ue i would consider it, but its just that, a joke

the 8gb 4060ti costs $650 and the 16bg version costs $950 in Australia like how

got a 4060ti 16gb for $520.. 4070+ are going for 700+ and 30 series and AMD gpus are basically non existent here...

I just want to play my heavily modded skyrim. Lots of graphics mods. My current gtx1080 ti sc 11GB card struggles down to 15 to 20fps. Pretty rough....im looking at this card. It must be an upgrade surely? Im hoping it will give me upwards of 30fps in those heavy areas of the game and ill be happy.

comically that 8g ddr6 vram cost is 27$ and it's getting lower.

How many Plex transcodes will it do with 16gb?

There is a use case: AI. I can use some models with a CUDA capable card with 16G, but not 8. The next one is 4080, which is quite expensive. Even the 4090 has issues: its 24G is not enough for some workflows which require 28G, so I am usually stuck with models which are compatible with 16G.

its like slapping 4gb on a gt740 back in the day.... but at least back then price wasnt an issue lol