Lukewarm Christians is a made-up concept, Dan

Amen 🙂

That must be a cool website, love the idea as it is easier to follow with images. Blessings.

And your point is??

You are 100% correct!

Read Isaiah 58 and Matthew 12:10-12, it tells you what GOD really wants on HIS Sabbath day. Basically helping others and doing good is permanent and encouraged on the Sabbath day, even if this means your physically working it’s okay as long as you’re doing good for others. Try not to do anything on the Sabbath that’s self gaining (self glorifying) but put GODs wants and needs over your own by doing what will make HIM happy. (Bringing glory to GOD through HIS Son and with the help of HIS Holy Spirt by all the good you do)

+John Lawson OK I got it, but in my case I have no choice but to work on the sabbath, I'm a single parent and the job I have now is not really flexible... Hopefully God will give me a pass...

That is a misconception /assumption. Many Messianic Jews do attend on Saturdays, not just 7th day Adventists alone.

@@harveyskipyou are correct, i know that now... that was 4 years ago when i made that comment

@@kingdomseekers1973awe man im 4 years late! Lol... but thank you for your response

When you line up the lunar and solar calendars ?

@@kingdomseekers1973 sundown? Scripture says otherwise... Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher. BUT late in the day of the Shabbath, as it began to grow light to that one Shabbath to come, came Miryam of Migdal and the other Miryam and beheld the sepulchre. MATTITHYAHU (MATTHEW) 28:1 את CEPHER

If you're trying to get close to Christ our King- Fast Repent Forgive- keep the day Holy by keeping your head in the Bible and glorify his work. Love God, your Family, your Neighbor

You are on it Brother. Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Lukewarm Christians give every excuse in the book to not Honor this). I recommend Sabbath Fasting to get on track with God as we are in the Last Days, but that should be worked out with You and Him. Glory to God. I appreciate you understanding these basic Truths and honoring Mathew 5:19

phillip mutchell no one can keep God’s Law perfectly so we needed a Savior. Well by your logic no one can be 100% Christ like so what do we need to replace Messiah?

Very astute. The bringing in of laws and deeds which God hasn't required of any in the new covenant is indeed the subtle displacement of Messiah in favour of our 'human, all too human' philosophies. We’ve heard that some of our number have disturbed you with unsettling words we didn’t authorise. We reached a united decision to select some delegates and send them to you along with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul. These people have devoted their lives to the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, we are sending Judas and Silas. They will confirm what we have written. The Holy Spirit has led us to the decision that no burden should be placed on you other than these essentials: refuse food offered to idols, blood, the meat from strangled animals, and sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid such things. Farewell. (Acts 15:24 ff) Will you add to the word or diminish it?

phillip mutchell obviously there is no replacing Messiah. You say “God hasn’t required any of the Law in the New Covenant” so why does He place the His Law on our hearts? Not to do it? Doesn’t make since. Paul said in Rom. 3 that our faith upholds God’s Law and in 2:13 it’s the hearers and doers of His Law that is justified before God. This obviously doesn’t mean the Law saves us nor any works. 1Jn.3:4 tell us that sin is transgression of God’s Law. This is after Jesus fulfilled His first coming. How does the Christian religion get around this by saying there is God’s Law, Mosaic Law and Law of Christ but it still doesn’t answer any of the above questions. Why did God say His sabbaths and appointed times (feasts) are forever? When did God break His promise? God doesn’t have a Law for the Jews and a separate Law for Gentiles. Forever isn’t forever? Messiah will bring all these Laws back when He return which Eze.40-48 Is.2:1-4 Micah 4:1-4 Zechariah 14:16 is all about. Jesus teaching the Law and ruling with a rod of iron

The interpretation you have of these verses fails to recognise how such prophecies have been re-interpreted in the new testament writings. Is Jesus not the Temple? Is not his Resurrected and glorified person the head and his called out people the body of this new temple - the only Temple promised by the Lord. "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up again" those of the Faith insist this was fulfilled in Christ and further insist with Paul 'if Christ is not raised ye have believed in vain'. No Risen Christ = No Spiritual Temple = No abolition of the Old Law that he might ESTABLISH the New. "When it says new, it makes the first obsolete. And if something is old and outdated, it’s close to disappearing" (Heb. 8-13) When this was written the Jewish disciples of Christ still observed the Mosaic Law because its legal status had not yet been abolished, it had been made obsolete (no longer effectual) but it didn't disappear until the DESTRUCTION of the TEMPLE. There have been no Jews according to the Law of Moses since this event ; the continuation of the remains of their religion was the product of a priestly class determined by religious zeal and not 'lawfully'. The fact that the law isn't sub divided into Moral, Ceremonial, and Sacrificial distinctly doesn't alter the reality that it naturally falls into such categories if it didn't Judaism would itself be impossible would it not? The Decalogue clearly commands what only God can keep. We cannot love God with all our hearts and minds because love itself is based on knowledge and the NT explains 'we love Him because He first loved us' to know the God who was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself we must grow in this knowledge a knowledge always dependent on his gracious revealing and not of the will of the flesh. I could run on but it would be bootless. If you're seduced by the Dispensationalist mode of reading scripture you are in grievous error and deny the first principle of God's method first the natural and then the spiritual hence Paul insists that "ALL THE PROMISES OF GOD ARE YEA AND AMEN IN CHRIST JESUS" and no where else. Peace

phillip mutchell thank you for not answering any of my questions. Which most of you do. I agree with most of what you said but your assumptions of since Christ came we no longer need God’s Law (mosaic Law is the same thing) is not how I see it. Since you didn’t answer any of my questions or maybe you can’t this conversation can’t go any further. Just like most of the non Torah believers you went to your one verse in Hebrews 8:13 “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” I know you love that word “obsolete” but the Greek reads “old” and no where in this verse nor any scripture does it say that God’s Law or Mosaic Law is done, gone, passed, finished but as the above verse says is ready to vanish, is decaying, is getting old. You must understand that God’s feasts which as you know included sacrifices are forever.God said this! The Author and Finisher of our faith. Not me or some Rabbi. There were and will be many reasons to sacrifice and Jesus completed the ones for sins and Eze.43 on shows us the Levitical priesthood coming back and all the sacrifices coming back. You may ask “Why if Jesus is the final and perfect sacrifice?” There were more reasons than just for atonement. They were for peace offerings, worship, thanksgiving, free will, which as you mentioned above they continued to do after Yeshua died and until the destruction of the Temple. Which according to your beliefs it should’ve happened at the resurrection not till the temple was destroyed. Scripture tells us we don’t need animal sacrifices to be cleansed for sin anymore but it doesn’t say that animal sacrifices are forever or temporarily over because that would make God a liar in Lev.23 when He says forever. We are the Temple of God I agree and some how that just annuls what God promises. I’m not a dispensationalist but when 1 Peter 2:21,22 “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:” Messiah followed Torah, instructed others to follow Torah. He didn’t sin which sin is Torahlesness and it is clear we are to follow His footsteps and example and lovingGod with all of our being and our neighbor as ourselves is in the Torah which when we love we fulfill Torah. The new covenant started in Acts on God’s feast of Pentecost by the completing of the shed blood of Christ and will be fulfilled when The unbelieving Jews see Jesus come back and finally believe. You say there are no Jews because we are one body. We are one body but this body has many parts and Jews and Gentiles are part of that. God’s Law isn’t physical but Spiritual you know this as if it’s only an outward work. Only saved people can pursue Jesus The Word become flesh which is God’s Torah in The Flesh. No one can do it perfectly but it is a fact all who are born again can please God by being obedient and being like Jesus. Jesus didn’t come to start a new religion and didn’t come to break His own promises given in Torah. It just doesn’t make sense and God never said obeying Torah is for salvation ever. The greatest show of faith is obedience and only believers can love the way Jesus said to love because as I stated earlier scripture says it’s the hearers and doers (born again) who are justified before God.