You know something is wrong when even Mamamoo & Wendy get edited

i also find it so interesting that killing voice is known to only invite artists that are well known for singing well live but yet still do post production

Meanwhile EXO : Let's recreate the Killing voice on our fanmeet( absolutely raw)

Actually unedited Wendy clip is better than the edited one. It is more tasteful imo

And they did this to Mamamoo - BASTARDS Boy I died😂😂😂

Just watched EXO fan clips of them singing from their fan meeting earlier today and all i can say is that they take the crown for best live vocals !

Live vocals should be live. Simple as that. I mean, why label it as live, if your going to edit it to the point it doesn't even sound like them singing? And they often don't do a very good job at the vocal "touch ups". Sometimes the editing of the vocals is so obvious, not to mention, pooly done, they end up sounding like Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. Like, if your going to edit vocals, you could at least make it sound good. Isn't the point of the editing to make it sound "good" ?

Watching Wendy's clips made me a bit mad because the over-editing felt offensive at this point 😂 She sounds great as it is and I don't get why the staff think such minor mistakes are so unforgivable they had to edit em 🙄

Exo's cream soda recording behind the scene videos is a pure gem. The way you can hear their pure raw vocals is a treat for the ears

Just came back from exo's fanmeet.. my ears are blessed

This is why I will be always proud of EXO

The only problem that fans don't know what it sounds like is because they don't hear it often They just be complementing those edited "LIVE" like yass "VOCAL QUEENS" "ENCORES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN" "SHE'S CRYING" "HE JUST FINISHED PERFROMING 1 SONG HIS VOICE IS TIRED" So many excuses The bar is 100000ft below hell "YASSS SERVE THAT VOCALS" girl it's lipsync How can they sing and dance flawlessly or perfectly but fail to sing their own song standing during encore?? (Without dancing) Make it make sense

It was so funny to me 😂 EXO's recent fan meeting ate the whole kpop community up. Live and raw ❤ EXO is really a treasure 😊

I'm so sick of a very loud "backing track" on music shows or even on concerts. Like, yeah. You have to protect your artists to look good all the times but damn, it's their jobs and no one force them to be a singer.

Awwww I wish you put EXO behind the recording! Thats realllllll ass vocals right therr

That’s why i love “Exo said no mic no problem” videos, just raw vocals without even a mic 💗

I just saw an obviously NOT LIVE encore stage of Illit and I swear their fans are either deaf or just in denial 🤣

You can always tell when an idol can really sing when they use their live streams as an opportunity to sing a lot 😅 they want to show off their real vocals

Im so happy you added SNSD to the compilation of live singing. Those girls really sang live most of the time and even if they were tired and were not on pitch they would sing live while dancing. Nation’s girl group only ❤

EXO's vocals never fail to impress me

EXO in concerts sings LIVE LIVE while dancing it impress me every time

Wendy must have fought hard with SM to really sing live at the music shows cuz now they don't let any of their artists to sing at music shows. Atleast she's trying her best to have as many live singing shows as possible.

NMIXX and MAMAMOO of course deserved their own category

Listen to EXO song called Christmas day I think it has no autotune in recording! It's so raw and natural even in the studio version

The Killing Voice edit of Mamamoo is an interesting example because like... Hwasa was ill that day, so to a certain degree, I could actually understand a limited amount of editing to support her. But they didn't have to go so far and edit everybody, especially so obviously. It would have been better to use a light hand and then just disclose it ("All the vocals here were live, but some edits were made to support X, because they were still recovering from the flu.")

nmixx are so so so impressive for their dedication to sing live edit: hit comment wow stan nmixx if you dont already and zb1 !!

2nd gen live vocals are no joke. Shinee, sistar, snsd, you name it

Even BTOB also being the victims of Dingo Killing Voice. They edited out a lot of adlibs and harmonization. Just bcs their voices were so loud and got into each others mic which come from their complex vocal layering(this was explained by the Dingo team,i think that time some fans send email to Dingo team to ask about the post production) 😅

I love how NMIXX have their own category 😭💕

Mamamoo Dingo Live original (uneditted) version was posted on the channel first. It sound sooo good. Have no idea why they had to take it down and post the edited version😭

i get so frustrated when sm doesn't let their groups sing live except sometimes like we know groups like nct,exo, aespa, red velvet can sing extremly well live

Bro I literally came here bc I’ve been complaining this about my faves (nugu group btw). They just had a comeback recently and I see alot of people preaching how great their “live vocals” are in showcase and music shows but really, it sounded very much pre-recorded. I can tell by the lack of movements in their voices while singing, and I’m surprised many fail to see that. They are my ult group and I’m sorry but no. I ain’t defending them for this. It’s bad enough they barely have any proper singing contents even after 3 years of debut and it’s frustrating bc they have so much potential

oh so this is the reason exo made their own "killing voice" in their anniversary fanmeeting lol

I beg you to check out EXO cream soda behind the recording u would be mind blown fr

That's why I'm glad exo's concert tour(at least their concert footages) were kept as minimum as possible with post production, especially after exo'rdium tour. If they went off key, you can definitely noticed. Today's fanmeeting too, I'm glad they keep it as raw as they can.

It's live more like it's post production

K-pop is the most tricky thing, I always thought I was good at identifying live and edited singing, but in K-pop it's very difficult with so much editing, strong tracks, pre-recordings, it's crazy. I don't understand why they want everything to be so metrically perfect, it's ridiculous and annoying, at least for me.

This is why other than music show encores and concert encores, I always hope for any of the members from my fav groups to do some singing for like 1 min just for fun in live stream (vlive for an example) or them dropping suddenly a song cover like that 😅 (Hope I’m not the only one who ask for this type of genuine vocal content lol)

NMIXX STAGE PRACTICE! that's the first time I'm SHOCKED when idols can PERFORM at their fullest potential. NMIXX is literally the KPOP I've been looking for this whole time. props to the girls!

"like its pathetic" got me 💀

Thats why I always watch Gidle recording, Red Velvet recording and Mamamoo live stages. Atleast once or twice a week. And Nmixx too sometimes

Let's not pretend that SM is still eating away at vocals. Furthermore, Wendy's voice is affected by the nodules and yet she is delivering 98% on the frees without autotune and correction.

Every single Korean television/KZfaq show is edited/auto tuned, but still they're groups that don't need it like exo,mamamoo,superjunior etc because they can actually sing live

I swear to you Mamamoo concert fancam sound better than any show, any MV of them. All of my favorite playlist from them are filled with fancam/concert clip. You can check out 4x4, My Star, Dark Romance, Timeline, etc concert videos. Sound way better than official sound track

Love them or hate them fancams done by fansites have the best live performances especially the ones from festivals and concert, you can pinpoint if the backtrack's too loud or not. SM and YG artists' live performances have been the ones i like watching so far

I’m so so so glad that SNSD’s era was before all these “perfectionists” era.. today’s visual, over processed music, the genre, live performances / vocals, minors debuting too early are just too painful to watch 😢

Using mamamoo for example to proof it, makes it all clear

Finally someone who understood that BM isn’t singing live. 💀 They haven’t up until now, but ppl are believing they are. Also the shade on Illit 😂💀

Stanning Dreamcatcher is the best decision ever no need to worry about live vocal not being live and they always sing live on stage.

The way most of the examples are from SM definitely proves they provide and acknowledge the importance of vocals in music. I actually wonder if 'that' company will reign as the number 1 (considering the situation of SM rn), what would happen to Kpop music? It's sad that new fans right now couldn't experience what we (older fans) experienced .

Dreamcatcher. Yes! That's why they're my only stan. Live and every member is a top shelf vocalist. I have no time for most Kpop because too much is fake. The agencies care most about what the girls look like and whether they can dance well. Those two things can't be easily fixed, but mediocre singing can be processed out. All this happened because Kpop has always been performed to recorded music which makes it simple to fix the vocals and just add them to the instrument tracks. Dreamcatcher use a live band whenever possible and you can't fake vocals with a live band.

So glad someones making this video but it wont change fans mind unfortunately, people are already praising Babymons performance on "its live" (which is ironic)

This is why I so much adore Lily’s lives. A great package of great singing everytime

It's problematic because when many netizens do hear occasional raw vocals, like an encore or an idol having a bad day, they all attack and say the idol can't sing. Ignorant to the fact that their own favs aren't any better and they've just never heard their favs raw vocals.

NMIXX deserves so much more recognition

The good thing about live is it’s lively, it’s emotional. A live performance doesn’t need and shouldn’t be exactly like the MV. People now care too much about the technical issues and forget that music should be a way to express emotions and connect people together

I just watched some clips of leserafim stage in coachella damn that hurt my ears

I've been talking about post editing tons of time in twitter and moots been saying no one is safe from me 😭, it's js ridiculous it's live, dingo, lee mujin, kbs talkshow etc they literally post edited everything

Another source of unedited vocal clips is musicals!! It's limited because not many idols can get a role, and a lot of productions don't allow recording, but it's been getting easier. For one, a lot of idols are getting casted (granted some of them feels very much for popularity purpose), and musicals nowadays show the rehearsals or even just party performance for the production where the idols + the other actors casted for the same role song together.

7:49 i dont think all recording videos are even 100% raw nowadays. in newjeans supershy recording videos you can hear some tiny pitch corrections here and there if you listen closely. not tryna bring newjeans down but its just reality nowadays.

EXO kings of kpop icons and legends vocals kings are amazing my God good job my brothers

When we tell non fans of NMIXX to watch stage practice, this is what we mean. The MV isn't their final form and you'd truly appreciate them more when you hear them live live.

I just came across some people praising babymonster for their "amazing live vocals" on an MR removed version of their recent stages. I really needed this kind of vid ToT

at this point idek if those survival shows are super edited lives or pre recorded. i usually assume it's the latter, but sometimes it's so badly made I wonder if it's really a live performance where they slapped crazy autotune on. either way it's so funny to see fans claim it's unedited live

wait some company even post edited their recording behind istg I remember this one group 😭

As a fan of Mamamoo, BtoB and Dreamcatcher, I've heard enough live stages to know what their live voices sound like. Rappers are usually the biggest giveaways. I don't expect 100% live singing with dancing all the time(because, breathing), but these groups keep the balance well rounded most of the time

nmixx need more appreciation from kpop fans

This is why I never watch “vocal coach reactions” or just reactions in general to live performances because the vocal coaches never ever critique them like ever and I think they know it’s edited or plain lip synced they just don’t acknowledge it idk why maybe they’re scared of fans lol

Yes the unrealistic expextations of kpop fans are a big problem in kpop but they are indeed a product of the 💯 perfect image of the idols. Me personally love the little mistakes whrn they make little mistskes. For example I love jisoos shutdown live clip. You see her rlly sing and it was not that bad how everyone was bashing it to be. And can we talk about mamamoos raw vocals uff amazing.

0:42 LMAO DID YOU JUST-

Probabaly 1 of the reasons why some EXO members initially back out due to production issues. EXO members are so vocal about alteration. They know that their lives sound better than the post productions. And might also be the reason why EXO's episode has the most raw vocals in Killing Voice per music producers and vocal coaches, the production team had to heed.

While concerts are often true live (maybe over a backing track), I'm pretty sure the concert DVD's are edited

Reasons why kpop stan ignores the existence of NMIXX for their own benefit (explained in a scientific way 🤓): - 98% of kpop stans from any hyped group: *"What you're saying is IMPOSSIBLE! There's no way to sing well live while dancing"* - Normal person who hates cheap justifications: *"Explain NMIXX sustaining a high note while jumping..."* ...- And so the hate train of NMIXX is born. Any myth created in the last 10 years by the community is completely destroyed with the existence of NMIXX, and that is a fact. - *"Ahh but they were tired, it's impossible to sing well like that blah blah blah"* - *"explain NMIXX singing in acapella on their ancore (without even going out of tune) right after literally performing (they were the last ones)"* ...It's impressive... you can use NMIXX for everything... It's the trump card to refute any whining fandom... and they just turned two years in the industry

It's so baffling that people call obvious vocal cleaning live vocals. Kind of sad they can't distinguish what is actually live anymore.

I hope "fans" wont use this as an opportunity to hate on idols who have their vocals edited. The only way we can get more raw performances is if we stream it more in comparison to perfect vocals we expected when these idols are moving around.

I once really said in a babymonster subreddit that one of the live performances of Batter Up wasnt really live, and they HAAAAATED me. Like, it was so obvious, not only it was edited, it was clearly different takes (the voice and the visuals did not match)

I think the word you were looking for was deceptive... Nice vid as always

The reason is that fans tend to make a competition out of everything, that's why they have to correct mistakes, otherwise haters would tear people up. As for myself, I don't mind a few weaknesses, esp together with dancing, but sometimes the venue conditions are also so bad that even the best sing off key and that's really painful to listen to. I'd rather have that corrected, when I know that my favs can sing in general I don't mind that. So it depends.

This video is so good loved the Compilation and the nmixx dance practice with live vocals just woww😍

Even hybe recording behinds have some autotune sometimes

where can you listen to live performances? .... 6. NMIXX 7. Mamamoo That's right, they deserve the recognition.

There's only one Unedited Killing Voice video and it's the one dingo mistakingly posted. We can say it was a misshap, blame on it being the first ever killing voice that was made but... the truth it that if anyone wants to check it out, Mamamoo's raw killing voice is here on youtube. It was really funny (and confusing) when they privated and reuploaded in a span of like... 2h. Especially since the original video was already so good no one even questioned it.... The main changes are the leveling of the volumes between the mics and them pitching Moon's voice higher (HONESTLY WHY THE F* WOULD YOU DO THAT??? SHE SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER IN THE RAW 😭😭😭😭😭) Anyways it's nice that we can compare the two videos and see the changes they made. Do I wish they would've done WAAAAY less? Yes. Do I love they fucked up and we got the raw, flaws and all??? 100% LET ME HEAR THAT WEAK ASS MIC CRUMBLE UNDER SOLAR'S VOICE, I WANNA HEAR MOONBYUL'S PASSION AND HER DEEP TONE, WHEEIN DOES NOT NEED TUNING, LET MY GIRL HWASA LIVE WHO CARES IF SHE'S SICK SHE STILL DELIVERS. Mamamoo and moos are known for taking flaws lightheartedly because we know they happen and are not lack of talent and hard work, there is no need to cover up small mistakes and end up taking 60% of the emotion and life off the performance 😢 Anyways, lovely video. AHHHH! Moonbyul released a 30min long bts of her recording the songs of her last album, it's a really nice video if anyone enjoys to watch the process.

5:15 Didn't wendy start the note a tad bit too low and actually corrected her pitch when she added vibrato? to my ears atleast, correct me if im wrong

I know I don't really comment on your videos but I do enjoy your videos so much. Thank you so much for this video. It was veryyyy informative stating the facts on how live singing videos like the Dingo Killng voices and It's Live and other platform shows like those go about it and I did enjoy the actual "live singing compilation" because I do love and truly appreciate live vocals very much.

I'm glad I stan EXO.

Well, EXO will sound as good even without the editing.😊❤

i love your videos so much, you’ve helped me differentiate from live, lipped, and edited vocals. for that i thank you🙏

I need you to make the confronting video for those delulus who think babymonster’s showcase stages are “live”😂

Thank you!! So many fans don’t know what actually live vocals sound like and have such unrealistic expectations for what raw vocals sound like because of mixing and backing tracks/pre-recorded vocals! Even amazing singers get off-pitch sometimes, have cracks in their voices and that’s so natural!

Hoped to see Dreamcatcher in live singing part, and got so proud seeing them included as they should !!!!!!

The way my jaw dropped seeing lily hit that note dancing wow just…wow my standard has been raised edit: I always realised how fans hv been kinda brainwashed? They expect idols to sound exactly like the prerecording all the time while some can sound like that if others can’t exactly do the same thing it’s fine I just don’t want them lipsyncing out of tune of huffing they’re whole performance

unfortunately even some "recording behind the scenes" are heavily edited. I'm surprised at the lack of the "It's Live" youtube channel in this video. People eat that up and basically all comments are "So StAbLe" "sounds just like the recording". I love "It's Live" and the "First take" tbh, I just know as a musician that it's all fake, unlike 95% of the public apparently.

The only place to hear live vocals is some of 3rd gen and majority of 2nd gen. They were SINGINGGGGGG, the isssue is now they only care about dancing which is why these idols are either vocally challenged (not trained enough) or not allowed to sing live anymore even if they can sing.

Ugh, where to begin… I agree that expectations these days when it comes to live performances have become unrealistic, especially on music shows. I honestly have no problem with performers lip syncing the singles on those shows, especially during the first week of promotions, because they’re selling the version that people will listen to at home. There’s a difference between “live” and “raw.” The only way to guarantee a truly “raw”performance is to not use a microphone. Even live (and live to tape) shows have effects and adjustments of some kind on individual mics in order to enhance the sound. As much as I personally find myself cringing or laughing at a cracked or off note on a prerecorded show, I appreciate that it wasn’t covered in postproduction. This video does prove that even excellent singers aren’t perfect, and that for better or (perhaps) worse, the people behind them want their artists to come off as well as possible. You could actually say it’s their job.

12:13 i still don’t get why in most of their performances, the backtrack has to be 5x louder than their live vocals because this clip here proves how well they sing without it. Especially when at least once in all of their performances, their vocals (mostly Siyeon) overpowers the backtrack. LIKE LET THEM SING!!!

As a SKZ stan, I'm soooo much into live performances and live vocals, use pre-recording is ok, I always understand that someone sing live, because SKZ always sing and rap in real and I’m used to hearing that vibe. Too much editing is always an obvious to me))

Encore was supposed to be a celebration with fans so it tends to be just relaxing or maybe chaotic but nowadays, it's an outlet of constant bashing and it's kinda sad. For backtrack, I think it's a must since people tend to look things perfectly and if that's a way to protect the artists then that's fine since you can still hear the actual voice anyway. And personally, I see things in an overall perspective so things like imperfections don't bother me and maybe because we have a lot of belter type of vocals in our country that's why I like kpop more because it's kinda different and I like singing+dancing more that belter singing.

I remember wendy disappointed cause sm edited their time after time stage, she said she tried to sing a better version for its live but at the end its edited

Thank you so much for giving a realistic point of view and at the same time always being positive and nice. You are a very precious creator! The experience of being a Kpop fan would be more enjoyable if everybody watched your videos.

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