True...

Ye I HATE nightcloud

@@kiripima3284 hello there,my name is deathstar but call me deathstroke or wilson leader of graveclan,you said you hate nightcloud then i will kill her.

Isn't how he acted considered self-defense?

@@jusescote1819 the fuck?

Norbert Alsotun It stopped being a kid’s book as soon as Into the Wild began lol.

Lol at Indigo i found it in the ages 9 - 12 isle

" Graystripe parents are siblings. " Say that again but slower.

Mhm, yeah... kids book. A kids book with pedophiles, violent births, abusive family and mates that never got called out, a cat getting ripped open like a purse being unzipped, death, murder, poisoning, etc etc

​​@@moonlight.8831it was such a glaring issue that they just *deleted* his father altogether. So now, Graystripe was made through mitosis.

Mitzi Arts 42 I understand Your pain. I never experienced a relationship myself. Relationships are hard indeed.

Yes, I feel a lot better about being single!

Rixi The Goat omg yes

MOVED TO SPORK THE DORK SINGLE PRINGLES UNITE

Haha.. I don't want to be in a _serious relationship,_ friends are way better. Friends are people who you can get drunk with, who you can joke around with and have fun with. Having a relationship is liiiike.. *Is he/she cheating on me?* *Did they spend too much money on that thing?* *I want to have the truck this time!* Too many arguements. I am too unserious for my own good so having a boyfriend or a girlfriend is not an option.

Emily Ellsworth, I totally 100% agree with you. Nobody ever wants to believe that Nightcloud knew what she was doing...

Exactly. Not only that, but I see people hate Crowfeather for being abusive to Nightcloud, but yet they sympathize with Nightcloud? Nightcloud was more abusive to Crowfeather than Crowfeather was to Nightcloud. Sure Crowfeather did ignore her and they had that loveless marriage thing, what Nightcloud did was worse. Not only did Nightcloud also use Crowfeather, but she also kept Breezepelt away from Crowfeather, taught Breezepelt to hate Crowfeather, and physically dragged Crowfeather away from Leafpool (Basically the whole “No girl touches my man!” thing) (Basically the same points in the video). Sure Crowfeather also attacked Nightcloud afterwards, but it was probably due to an involuntary response. Heck I’ll even say this, Nightcloud was a worse parent than Crowfeather. Crowfeather was an okay father, he spent less time with Breezepelt than most fathers with their sons, but that doesn’t make him a bad father, as fathers usually don’t spend a lot of time with their kits. You never saw Sandstorm mourn Redtail (His apprentice Dustpelt was more upset about it), you never saw Graystripe mourn Patchpelt, nor Lionheart’s kits mourn his death. Breezepelt just overreacted. Nightcloud was a bad mother (As from the points in the video). It’s upsetting though, because Nightcloud could’ve been an interesting character.

You Have Found Ebony thank you for pointing this out! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills over all the nightcloud lovers.

Maggie Motl Fathers aren’t really close to their kits in this series, so that would make Crowfeather an okay father. I also don’t see why Crowfeather complimenting Lionblaze was only caring about him, since he only wanted to act nice to strangers.

no. how is crowfeather a worst father than the other fathers we know about? he was just being nice to cats he didn't know. wouldn't you say something nice to people you are not close to? especially if they were kids? of course you wouldn't say anything to your own family cuz you already know them, and they know you. so there no need to be nice to them about something you already seen a lot of times. if you want to talk about bad fathers, how about bluestar father? or tallstar? they barely was in their kids lives. crowfeather at least tried to parent like how he saved breezepelt from falling off a cliff when he tried to show off. or scold him for going after the mice in the barn. yes he turn his back on him after seeing how he wouldn't even thank purdy for saving them. even going so far to say we never needed his help,we got it. despite he was the one who nearly lost his tail to the dogs. breezepelt was so ungrateful and stuck up that no words could been said to force him to thank purdy. that is why crowfeather turn his back on his ungrateful son. it the only action to show how much he was disappointed in him.

Same

Same lol

Me too ^^

NightingaleDraws Same

NightingaleDraws same

Yup, i hate her too.

I don't hate her or like either But honesty nightcloud is not the innocent poor cat the fandom makes She have also her problems and people do not reconize it

@@sabrinacosta5667 Like what?

@@firestar3963 kind of overprotecting her son and alienating his father on the rare occasions where crowfeather showed interest I understand where her insecurities come from and how it reflects on the brezzepelt and how her relationship with crowfeather left her disappointed Even if you strive to raise your children and give them love when you feel your partner is missing doesn't mean you should demonize your partner depednig on the situation Remember that when raising a child your fears and insecurities reflect in him even if mistakes are made in the long run can end up impairing character formation the way crowfeather and nightcloud related to brezzepelt is an example of how BOTH parties contributed but fandom treats her like a saint sometimes just blaming it on crowfeather (yes I know he was a negligent father) and ignoring the part that nightcloud has

@@sabrinacosta5667 N- okay you make a good point so fair enough

Squirrelflight. You where pretty arrogant and immature in your youth. But you’ve grown out of it and have become a better cat! You’re awsome Squirrelflight! I mean really awesome!

Awww thanks thats made my day 😸😻

You’re welcome! How’s Bramblestar doing?

Is he having a good day?

Bramblestars doing great, im so proud that he is finally the father of my kits. He is a great leader too, I couldn't ask for more.

RomanceGirl6666 you see, this is my problem with people who vehemently hate crowfeather. yes he's not a great dude but that's. the. point. his character is so interesting but people just hate him because he's an "aBUsEr!!!"

Yeah, but the problem is, crowfeather didn’t break up with leafpool, leaool broke up with him. But whenever she’s around him, she acts like her life has been miserable without him, an attempt to get him back. But crowfeather doesn’t want to go back. He doesn’t want to go back to the cat who made his life hell. Leafpool didn’t get any true punishment. She just had to become a warrior. After the third series ended, basically everyone forgot about her. She just got some bad looks once in a while. Crowfeather? He was shamed by his clan, his leader, his mate, his kit, he became a stranger in his own clan.

I can just see crowfeather on stage with a skull sying _To be? or not to be? that is the question_

RomanceGirl6666 This is true of him pre-Crowfeather’s Trial, but I think the book gave him development to finally move past that and make him a genuinely likable character.

RomanceGirl6666 tldr

That One Gamer Called Dylan Clap clap so true.

Cough cough no colon there...

Cough you suck cough

That One Gamer Called Dylan OMG YES litteraly EVERYONE. DIEEESSSS

That One Gamer Called Dylan except graystripe

I swear I see you literally everywhere... But anyways, me too. Last time I watched this video I felt sad too for a few days

Same and I LOVE him hes the best Windclan deputy (I didnt read Crowfeathers trial but i know just by his strength!) I want a Crowstar!

@@kenzerbolt same BUT ILL NEVER LIKE FEATHERTAIL

@@kiripima3284 UGH I HATE HER TOO AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY

@@kiripima3284 i have a dislike for her.......but her dad is my favorite character this side of Cloudtail

I’m interested! :)

I'm interested

very interested *indeed*

Where's The Link?

OP WHERE’S THE LINK?! I’M FEENING FOR THIS FANFIC

Täuschen that's interesting

Oh wow, never realized that

Täuschen mr

Me*

Yeah me too

ITs the same with Jayfeather, i can actualy relate to him. Not knowing were his place in life is and so on ^^

I kind of can sometimes too. And, yeah, Jayfeather has quite pitiful times.

bonnie bon of course he never went through the same stuff as Crowfeather but like it was said in the Video. That hole was dug by no one but Crowfeather

ғlυғғғιre I don't like jayfeather he really annnoys me cause most of the time he olnly cares about prophecy

Maggie Motl Maggie Motl I love jayfeather!Not as much as other people (maybe) but jayfeather had pretty much every right to care about the prophecy.

CROWFEATHER'S W H A T?!

probably make him abusive towards Nightcloud and Breezepelt tbh

Super DisNerd Crowfeather’s trial is a super edition coming out September 6th

It was actually really good fyi

*chuckles*

Chaoed If Crowfeather was scared of that, taking on a mate and as naturally expected, becoming a father, hardly makes any sense? He was *never* kind to Breezepelt, so I would hardly blame his bad parenting on his kiddo, and why he turned out the way he did. (Not that I'm trying to defend or excuse his actions because of that. Nope, those are still bad af.)

It is a mystery. What you say is true,but in order to show his loyalty to his clan he had to take a mate(which makes a bit of sense,but also not at the same time)and when he got with Nightcloud it automatically forced him to have kits.It was his choice when he picked Nightcloud,but his clan pressured him into it. Crowfeather and Nightcloud both made up Breezepelt's character but mostly it's Breezepelt to chose in the end,to hate Crowfeather. Crowfeather wasn't really nice to Breezepelt but I believe he would try make the effort,and show him in little ways that he cared.

Chaoed I will never see how reproducing is, or would ever be, considered proof of, or be an act of loyalty, that a cat is loyal to their clan. 😔 Bur how could acting as though your child is a constant annoyance show even a tiny semblance of care to them though? Because it's a good way to drive someone away from you.

Underrated comment.

Indeed

True! Nightcloud is now in my least favorite list

But hey, that's just a theory... *A BOOK THEORY!*

That's an awesome idea

@@nightzart At best, it's defending himself. In human equivalent, that would be raising your voice at someone because he dragged you in a way that was hurting you. He was absolutely right to get angry at her.

@@nightzart That's ok, I get it x)

I'd pay to have Crowfeather stab me tbh

Wow wow wow wow WOW! I am soooo happy to hear somebody else say they love Crowfeather yesssssss.

:)

Ronald Rump hnm

aye?

While that would be nice to see, I don't think that I would really expect "good" grandparenting from the guy who wasn't even great at parenting himself, haha.. I do completely agree with your thoughts (and hopes) about both himself and Nightcloud though. I admit it kind of grates my nerves something awfulhow some fans try to use the reasoning that Crow never got over Feathertail and / or Leafpool, as an excuse for how he has treated Nightcloud. (I'm not at all saying she has no fault in either of their relationship problems.) I don't feel like her expecting Crow to be a father to Breezepelt was unreasonable. And how she's supposingly only used Crow, even though we see her act legitimately affection to him, at least once in the books? I also just love seeing the books that take place in the different clans so, so very much.

Ronald Rump ok I still want to know when did breezepelt come back did I just miss something

Cooper Bostick What do you mean? BreezePelt has always been in the Warriors series. He hasnt died yet.

RaiOfSunshine Oh, I am in one hundred percent agreement with this.

It is a mystery. Thank ye :0

i wonder why

Sakura Seeds Her kits deaths? Not really no. Sure, she shouldn't have gotten into the relationship in the first place, but her kits didn't have to be exiled with her, at a dangerous time.

I agree with you, Mapleshade's story is just sad

ғlυғғғιre or Brackenfur!

ok iam only at Omen of the Stars Book4 Sign of the moon so why?

Brackenfur had both of his sisters deformed, he lost his father, his mother was left behind, he lost his mate and another child, and yu ask why.....

Greymoontv SOFIA LIMA he’s still boring tho-

I probally will to xD I write way to many books, you can though to!

Paige Night #GOCROWSTAR

Oreofur Just Oreofur. Yes. And growing up with a father barely in your life is hard. I can relate.

Paige Night it's crowfeather fault he did do bad cause he ignored him constantly letting nightcloud to tell him how terrible she thinks he is

nightcloud shouldn't have said that crowfeather is terrible anyway,crowfeather wasnt a good father,but it still was breezepelt,(and slightly nightcloud's) choice to hate him.

Flamestorm_snowy 48 I agree :)

Ali Roth yes he is

Windflower 95 I’m guessing he will die before that, probably heroically by saving another cat like Feathertail did, so we might like him more XD

What the hell is harestar thinking

Oh yeah!

Ali Roth I’m just imagining a fan fic where Crowfeather becomes leader. DIBS IM WRITING IT!

I really like it!

Don’t forget Skyclan xd

Olivia May idk

It was in dawn! you don't remember, but it's true

I'm surprised no one has responded to this! I was wondering the same thing and found it. In my copy it's on page 180 (last page before chapter 14 begins).

How do you not remember? It was while they were saving Shadowclan from monsters.

Avery's World nightcloud only took him to have kits. Something tells me she doesn’t love him either but wanted kits and he was the only one without a mate and who needed one so badly.

(This is from a comment above if you haven't read it yet. I didn't write this but another person did.) I look at it as,the reason why Crowfeather was so distant from Breezepelt and Nightcloud,was because he didn't want to be hurt again.Due to Feathertail's death,Leafpool leaving him and being looked down upon from his clan,it could make him scared to trust someone again,afraid they're gonna slip away and him being left in the dark again.Also about ignoreing Breezepelt,if something happened to him he would lack connection to feel strong emotions towards it,of course he'd still be sad but not sad enough to feel another strong gash and be pushed towards a clift again,and want to jump off. But,Breezepelt decided to hate Crowfeather,it was his choice in the end.It also wasn't his fault either because he never was told what Crowfeathet went through,and looked at it as he didn't care or even liked him and Nightcloud.

Time to debunk a bit of this: Crowfeather NEVER physically hurt Nightcloud or Breezepelt (at least to my memory, so correct me if I’m wrong). In fact, it is the other way around for Nightcloud. Nightcloud, in fact, harmed Crowfeather in Night Whispers by digging her claws into his pelt and forcibly dragging him away from Leafpool and Lionblaze BECAUSE Crowfeather didn’t stop an argument between Lionblaze and Breezepelt. Not because he was showing affection for Lionblaze or Leafpool, but BECAUSE he didn’t try to stop a quarrel between the two. And Nightcloud was overly possessive. She didn’t even LET Crowfeather glance at Leafpool, which the example above also shows. She attacked him, though never even loved him. It was shown that Nightcloud ONLY got in a relationship with Crowfeather because no other tom would have kits with her, and she feared that she would never have her own kits, while Crowfeather only got in a relationship with Nightcloud to prove his loyalty. Their relationship was broken from the start.

That was "underexaggeration", if that's a word. Of course Bluestar's episode cost a lot of damage, but before then, she still managed to be a decisive leader despite her losses. As for the Thistleclaw ordeal, I won't defend her decision to endanger her kits, but, no offense, I think people sometimes forget that Thistleclaw sometimes showed himself to be very unstable and violent. Not only does he order an attack on a defenseless kit, but he almost murders a single intruder that posed no significant threat, an act that would have spit in the face of the Warrior Code. Afterwards, he goes on a paranoid rant and literally foams at the mouth. If that isn't someone that's off their rocker, than I don't know what is.

Quiet Rage He was impulsive and aggressive, yes, but remember that Bluestar's prophecy is told though her perspective and she had it out for him since the beginning. She hated him when they were kits for no reason, and that hatred never subsided at any point. She is also the reason for a lot of his instability considering she was in part the reason Snowfur died, and she stopped allowing him to see his son, the only thing he had left to love. She also never once tried talking to Sunstar about Thistleclaw's behavior, in order to deter him from making Thistleclaw deputy. There were other cats in the clan who he could have made deputy instead, and he greatly respected Bluefur and her opinion. Had she told him that she felt Thistleclaw was deranged and too violent to become leader, he probably would have listened. The thing is, she wanted to be leader. She wanted it more than she cared about her babies. She could have talked Sunstar into making Rosetail or White-eye deputy, but she wanted the title for herself, and she was willing to put the life of her kits on the line for that. I would like to thank you for replying, though. I love your videos and 10/10 Crowfeather analysis, you did a fantastic job picking apart his character

IceKat9494 thistleclaw was that bad. He was training in the dark forest. He call his own son weak and takes after his mother. Yes blue star hated him which is understandable cuz she felt she was losing her sister but don’t you dare blame her for her death. Snowfur could have said no and it was ShadowClan fault for being there. She lost her mother and sister. After seeing how thistleclaw was mentoring tigerpaw, I would have kept my nephew from him too. He was very violent and manipulative. As seen in spottedleaf heart. As for snowfur loving him, don’t tell me you never had friends being with awful guys and never say anything cuz your friend will think it you being jealous. That is how I see it

IceKat9494 that happened once when she had been leader for moons and moons and not having episodes like that

Okay lemme just debunk stuff in defense of Thistleclaw, even though I'm months late. "He was training in the dark forest." So was Ivypool, Lionblaze, Brambleclaw, Crookedjaw, the list goes on. Not enough to condemn him. "As for snowfur loving him, don’t tell me you never had friends being with awful guys and never say anything cuz your friend will think it you being jealous." But what did he do while she was still alive? "He call his own son weak and takes after his mother." Can you tell me verbatim what he said? I hate the mentality that Bluefur's loss was worse than Thistleclaw's because they both lost Snowfur who they loved in different ways, people are different and loss hits some more than others as Crowfeather proved. I don't like Bluestar so I can't help but be biased, but to me it felt more like she had an eye for an eye situation, she lost her mother so she took his son from him even though Thistleclaw didn't kill her mother. People give her too much credit, considering there were many things she did wrong, but I will admit people also condemn her too much because of the "Thistleclaw vs Bluefur" thing, in the first few books she was a very noble and wise leader and people seem to forget that she was once likeable. I don't like her character, but I don't wanna burn her to the stake. "He was very violent and manipulative, as seen in spottedleaf heart." *Spottedleaf's heart never happened*

Oh god

You forgot that his first mentor, Stonefur, is ordered to kill him and his sister and when Stonefur refused Stormfur had to watch his mentor get murdered in from of him for the sake of protecting him and his sister. I'd like to think that his got his name (Storm'fur') after his mentor

@@blackrose_k8062 He did. And her got his suffix in honor of Crookedstar, who's name before getting a broken jaw was Stormkit

Lauren Marnell Clear Sky was also a mega jerk.

trashcan *also*

Star Pit I never saw it as forced. Leafpool never felt love before. She had a crush on him without even knowing what it was, hence that small vision of her walking beside crowfeather when they reach the lake. Crowfeather himself hated himself for how he felt as he knew he was falling for her, which is why he was so mean to her. He was trying to force her to hate him and stay away from him. We can’t control our feelings no matter how much we try.

It might be the fact that i don't like cats

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