Hope you find this interesting :) What If on Halo 3's final mission the portal on the Ark sends the Forward unto Dawn carrying Master Chief, Cortana and Arbiter (all together, two or one depending if the ship splits or not) A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away . . . . Star Wars (or to be more specific at the start or little before the Phantom Menace or New Hope) See more of the story below!?! This is a work in progress! but feel free to take, edit and use in your final draft if you wish, just a small mention/credit of what I may have contributed will be fine with me :) SWPM option 1, Arbiter: The front half of the Forward unto Dawn carrying Arbiter teleports into the Star Wars galaxy at speed, passes the CIS blockade, who are left wondering WTF was that, but of course turn their attention to another approaching ship ( Qui Gon Jinn / Obi Wan kenobi journey stays the same for now ... ) Arbiter crashes into the ocean or large lake on the planet of Naboo, after salvaging what he can and escaping the sinking wreck Arbiter sets off in search of civilization ... only at first to find Jar Jar Binks !?! ... After setting up camp for the night and having something to eat ( either human ration packs salvaged from the F.U.D | or some form of creature that Arbiter would be able to catch/eat ) lured by the smell of food Jar Jar " Attempts " to sneak up! ... Only to get caught (detected via Arbiters hunter/warrior senses ... that or his motion tracker) after a lot of begging/bargaining Arbiter takes pity on him and offers Jar Jar a deal, guide him to the " Human " capital of Naboo in exchange for food/protection (Jar Jar of course would accept this offer, what with being banished from going home for being clumsy) along the way perhaps they'll find a crashed but still operational warthog (which is worse, trusting Jar Jar to drive or shoot !) after some driving they come under attack from scouts of the droid invasion followed by the JEDI who come to their aid and ... could also appreciate a ride ... ( JJ will likely call Arbiter " Arby " for short throughout the story ) SWPM option 2, Chief / Cortana: The back half of the Forward unto Dawn carrying Chief / Cortana teleports into from their perspective a unknown region of space! Cortana of course will start running scans of the area and drop a beacon for potential rescue (for about 4 years, 7 months, 10 days she won't be suffering from rampancy yet) ... oh would you look at that its the ship that Qui Gon Jinn/ Obi Wan kenobi are traveling on, after some basic introductions / explanations the JEDI will ask if MC/C would like to accompany them to the planet of Naboo or wait for another ship to give them a tow 1a) if they stay some time later the JEDI will send a message saying the CIS have just attempted to kill them, rather than being sitting ducks, Cortana uses what control they have over the F.U.D to steer it to Naboo for a controlled crash landing then using a escape pod. 1b) if they leave with the JEDI, the F.U.D will be left behind for now, will it stay adrift in space, get caught in Naboo's gravitational pull and crash there!) When arriving at the CIS blockade MC/C will have another two choices 2a) Stay in ship until what should be " short negotiations " are over! ... outcome: ship gets blown up with MC/C just about escaping the blast or rises from the wreckage like a Demon to the bewilderment of the battle droids 2b) Join the JEDI in the meeting to introduce themselves to this new galaxy or pretend to be acting security! ... outcome: oh boy, if the CIS were spooked about JEDI showing up in the original story, what are going to think Chief is ... Mandalorian perhaps ( they won't know anything about Cortana yet ) When Lord Sidious gives the order " kill them immediately " so the CIS blows up the horse they rode in on and " try " to gas the JEDI / Chief ... pfffft ha ha ha ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA cue the song ( Unyielding Soul ) | whichever scenario plays they link up and fight their way to the bridge (next question is can Cortana interface/hack the doors for the bridge e.g. is there a control panel they can hack close by? ... also don't forget the blast doors) still even after all that the droidika's with their shields may still be problematic leading to the group needing to sneakoff the ship! SWPM option's 1/2 combined: When combining these perspectives most details stay the same, with the exception of Chief / Cortana telling the JEDI that Arbiter is about to crash-land on the planet of Naboo (or already has) they'll also be able to keep in contact with Arbiter via COM's until the CIS blocks communications!

DO NOT FEED THE SNAIL

When document leaks for Night Scythe.

I'm loving the content, my friend. Your humor and easygoing attitude adds a lighter side to the Grimdark lore. Mourning for the loss of your pancreas' motivation. May it rest in piece😢

i believe there was a mention that the silent king was building a massive necron pilon network to cut the galaxy off from the warp to one make it so the tyrinid synaps network no longer works making all tyrinids in the galaxy wild beasts and two stop chaos. but guiliman was being forced to get involved cause that would also kill every psycher including the emperor meaning no more warp travel meaning a doomed humanity

Silent King: Remember, unit, dying is for organics. Unit: Yes sir. *Techno-Doom music intensifies*

I mean the guy that has the ability to mind control his entire army could probably make his troops stop being scared.

Yeah I remember reading that zharekh won't give a heck just straight up go to sleep

If I had a flying chair with death rays, I probably wouldn't get much done either.

@@alltat True... I agree... I would also just sleep most of the time, having the death orbs just contend with any would be annoyance... Ah the perks of immortality and fancy disability chairs...

@@camillosteuss until vasthor just open the wedbay trying to find the keyhole prepared to bring the ctan back which piss off zharekh that my theory

humanity! its the universe! they put bugs in it!

Seriously, ot puts a new spin on his alliance with the C'tan too.

No he ended it

how would star wars do in warhammer 40k

​@user-mh9qz4qi1f prolly get smooshed. Pretty much everything the swu brings too the table. 40k has a mass produced counterpart. 40k's war machine is just so focused its hard to compare.

​@@jailoutafreecard4414star wars would have an insane speed advantage. And unlike the imperium, the various star wars faction actually can still mass produce all their stuff

In a galaxy in which Chaos is a thing, it's not the worst idea either.

It is however the reason they're still around.

Are you saying you don't want to be a sickass metal undead skeleton man?

I can think of a lot worse things to be than an immortal terminator.

@@mrbigglezworth42you don’t get to, an abominable intelligence take your place as… well, you. Kinda like the mauler twin deal.

Lmao

Given that even the rich Necrontyr barely lived to their 40s, not hard to believe the war lasted past the King that declared it.

Like tsar Nicolas and the communist revolution

Makes sense honestly, given how short Necrontyr lives were due to, yknow, space cancer.

You are completely right upon considering that Necrontyr lived shorter than humans, and this war lasted a long fucking time.

​@@collecter343 yall are forgetting the necrons canonically had stasis crypts by then, they used them to slowboat between the stars, the silent king could easily have only been coming out of stasis for a few months every couple decades to give out orders and so on.

That’s basically what happened tbh.

So basically zharekh got the BS taking care of the war In heaven by their forebears mistake and he only did mistake is the biotransference with the ctan

The war started after they became robots.

@@jimmytuplano3843 exactly and it’s not like the ctan told them what would happen. For one the deceiver was called the messenger back then.

@@xnikolasbs2230 yeah zharekh worst time of his life being the leader at least he got his get back but now in Warhammer 42nd millennium HE FREAKING SLEEP LIKE BRUH

Mild spoilers for the commissar cain books . . . . In the cain books theyre the the end all of antagonists, and usually the response by the characters is let them do what they're here for or GTFO of the place they've shown up at

@@conormcneely2879 probably the best response

Necrons: Set up to effortlessly dumpster whatever local conflict is going on Also Necrons: I, Overlord Crazyn the Infinately Senile, have forgotten my pants, and am pulling every last Necron out of the conflict to find them. Update, I have outlawed pants, so now it doesn't matter that we never found my pants. Our warriors have set their flayers to pants removal mode. Update, we found my pants, pants are legal, our warriors are coming back to out your pants back on Update, I remembered my name isn't Crazyn the Infinitely Senile, it's Chuck, and I'm not a Necron. Update: Ignore any updates from anyone calling themselves Chuck. Update, this isn't Chuck, the next update will come from Chuck, ignore him Update: The last update was from Chuck, ignore him And thus, the Necrons lost this battle

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 i lost at "Crazyn the Infinitely Senile", this is so good

You've said the same thing twice there.

That was also one of the more refreshing things about the Lion's return, I think. As soon as he figures out what's been going on, he literally just goes "oof, I WAS the a-hole" and actually starts trying to make amends. It was a nice change of pace. Grimdark loses dramatic tension if you don't have at least a few people trying to go against the grain and bring a little contrast.

"Such as the power of Nagash, for he is the Breaker of the Gods." I know it's not remotely what you meant, but it does make sense as a sentence. Maybe not in lore, though. I don't know enough to judge that.

"For he is the Eater of Gods." Works for Nagash.

It would be not be surprising if there was a ton of nuance to the war in heaven.

Something tells me that we should not expect GW writers to ever elaborate on it. Not when they are putting most of their effort into the space marines.

​@@KarlFranz5017 I am sure, that if they tried, somehow spacemarines still would get involved

​​@@KarlFranz5017 I'd prefer they don't elaborate. Anytime and IP tries to elaborate on the past, it always makes what was special so fucking lame and boring *COUGH COUGH* Forerunners in Halo *COUGH COUGH*

@@Bogdan221192 "And then at the higth of the largest battle of the war in heaven a chapter of Marines time warp in and kill the Flayer."

well calories arent inherently tied to digestion, its a measure how good it is at making water boil when burning, which is why uranium has like billions of calories, but wed be unable to use them. so considering theyre made of a scifi metal, propably dense

No bad stop eating youll get fat

CONSUME NECRON *M E A T*

All the xenos races are underutilized. They are too passive in their writing. GW put themselves into the dumbest corner possible with only one storyline. The Imperium vs everyone else. Instead of having several storylines running congruently with one another. Hell the timelines don't even have to align with one another because events happen over hundreds of years. Its like they have this massive blank canvas and they choose to paint inside one small corner of it. The only thing people have is waiting for which Primarch is coming back.

@@taahirsa7673 Which is a shame. There's a whole galaxy and 10,000 years of space to fill, yet "superpowered manchild" seems to be what gets everyone going.

They already woke up. Great sleep ended already which...makes this worse 😂

@@taahirsa7673 Even the Aeldari, the most active xenos, can't do a single important thing without it involving humans in some way

"you wouldn't feel the impact of a race that is asleep and does nothing." No shit... Wow... What an insightful observation.

Hmmmm. It makes me think of how undead are driven less by actual wants and more by "compulsions". The skeleton isn't farming or mining because he enjoys it, because there's any innate sense of satisfaction in doing so, he does it become this is what he does. The vampire king still "loves" people but it's more an inescapable need to be around them and own them or else they experience distress.

It just hit me that this is actually a really solid description of what chronic high-functioning depression feels like. You know what you are conceptually "supposed" to feel at any given moment, and you vaguely remember what these emotions used to feel like (which is naturally how you are very self-aware of their current absence), but the feelings and emotions just don't seem to happen much anymore. It's an incredibly aggravating, gnawing itch in your mind. Like continuously trying to crank a car engine that just will not turn over. The gas just will not flow. The Necrons are experiencing something like this on a society-sized scale, and they want to recover from it. It really does make the Necron storyline more interesting.

Tbh, writing soulless characters is hard because sometimes you make them ultra boring or give them too much personality that you might make a “soul” just an organ.

Yeah, wasn't that half the point of the last bloody edition? The indomitus crusade was split between dealing with the 13th black crusade, but also this creeping sector of necron darkness in which the silent king was building a superweapon to destroy all life in the galaxy to defeat the tyranids. I guess pancreas doesn't read codex lore or which baldemort's excellent readings so hasn't realised there is lore.

I’m glad somebody mentioned the Pariah Nexus.

​@@ScotRotumwait I thought the whole point of defeating the tyranids for them was to reverse bio transference with one of the surviving species. What would be the point of killing all life if they'll be alone and stuck in a metal soulless machine forever and ever.

Its that or the hubris

That's the entire problem with this setting, the space marines win everything and almost every book on xenos is always from the perspective of either the imperium (mostly the marines because ofcourse) or chaos space marines (because also ofcourse) making the imperium be the main focus of the setting was a horrible mistake on GWs part, aswell as making the imperium seem like they are the good guys and everyone else is wrong compared to them aswell.

Absolutely correct

@@delta2372 That GW seems unable to get off that Chaos crack....

LITERALLY. THEY ARE MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED. THEY TRAPPED F@CKING GODZ AND USE THEM AS BATTERIES FOR THEIR PEW PEW GUNS. BRUH!... +_+

Well I mean they achieved their main goals and only went to sleep because they almost destroyed themselves. I would count that as a win not only for them at first but then it became a win for everyone. The war in heaven was never a loss for the necrons. They lost none of their tech and their greatest leaders. They should be treated as op as possible. Their nearest to their war in heaven level out of any faction

Necrons are pretty popular now thanks to 9th edition, actually. They're in the top 5 played factions iirc

not gonna lie, I almost feel like if they were smarter, they could have argued that "what we have isn't immortality, just a really long life span, that lifespan when placed upon your damaged forms is still only going to add so much" basically just lie

@@spencerc4252 They could've also just, you know, used their gigabrains to give them the cure to cancer and say "Here you go, now fuck off" and that would be the end of it. The Necrontyr literally only wanted an escape from their mega-cancer ridden lives.

Exactly, help them with the super cancer and the Necrontyr would probably have been more than grateful

The necrontyre were a species of warmongers, I doubt the old ones wanted to help them warmonger longer

@@mr.revrac5602 They wouldn't exactly stop making wars if they lived less, that is just part of mortal (and even immortal) nature. Them living longer would just make their citizens lifes better.

I hate when they put big stuff in a white dwarf of all things.

That's a bit miss, GW got the community site, the yt channel and warhammer plus, instead they limit his actions to a physical magazine. Meanwhile Jonson got like 10 community posts in 2 months

Yes and no. I believe both Orikan and Trazyn were dragged in chains. We know from people who actually remember that shit some were literally chained to the fires.

@@berilsevvalbekret772 Yes and no. they both also think eachother helped the C'tan during the process, like it was said, the C'tan messed with all of their memories so it would be harder to revolt against them

I really liked them, however I think GW made an interesting choice with a lot sort of not lining up with the Infinite and the Divine. A lot of cool concepts but at the same time I was thinking what is going to be retconed.

wasn't the infinite and the divine and the twice dead king written at the same time but by different writers with little to no communication causing the inconsistencies with the lore.@@somethinglikethat2176

Long form too

YES-INDEED!

Is there a book that covers the dual?

@@hastyhawkeye Not that I know of, seems to be mentioned in the newer codex's

That sucks

@@hastyhawkeye If you want there is a new cartoon out also called the Pariah Nexus that showcases the Imperium's efforts to halt the Necrons efforts (to little avail). It's really good but sadly locked to Warhammer+. You can easily find clips of it online though. It's worth a watch.

In one of Majorkills recent videos, he mentions that the war in heaven got retconned, saying that it was started due to chaos…

What I really love about the Silent King honestly is in many ways he's very similar to the Emperor of Mankind. Both were men who at a pivotal junction in their races history forcibly took control of their people through the use of god-like beings (the Silent King using the C'tan and the Emperor using the Thunder Warriors then later on Primarchs and Astartes), then pretty much weaponized their entire species to wage a galactic war against anything and everything only to later then have said god-like beings betray them and ruin everything. To me I feel like the fact both of their tales are so similar really helps highlight what both of them are like as characters. From all his actions during and after the War in Heaven you could tell the Silent King, for all his faults, seemed to genuinely care for his people and was remorseful for what he had ultimately done to them. Of course he blames the C'tan for a good chunk for it but he at least seems to recognize that it was his actions that allowed the C'tan to do that to his people too. If that wasn't the case I don't think he would've forced himself into exile *and* come back upon discovering the Tyranids. From everything that I've seen of the Emperor however, even though he can't really talk about it right now I get the feeling that even now he wouldn't hold himself accountable for the Heresy. Instead he'd choose to only blame the Chaos Gods and his own sons' failings for the second fall of humanity, not realizing it was his own pragmatic and callous actions during a lot of it that allowed Chaos to infiltrate his sons so easily. Of course Chaos has its own way of worming into everything but with doing shit like not helping Angron and Mortarion at all and absolutely humiliating Lorgar and Perturabo the Emperor didn't exactly make it hard for Chaos to do so.

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Apparently, fighting other civilizations outside of our galaxy, ALONE, with his ship as help If we can take what was said in the 10th eddition codex seriously, then he is powerful enough to destroy... i dunno... the Tau purely by himself and his ship.

​@@theodorehodbor5080but the main difference between Szerakh and the Emperor is that Szerakh was no godlike psychic chosen one, he was an unwitting pawn but that didn't stop him from making things right. He didn't have to stand up to the most horrifyingly powerful gods in the galaxy, he could've ruled the Necrons for all eternity if kept the command protocols, he could've easily turned his back on everything but he didn't. The Emperor was motivated by a sense of superiority while the Silent King is legitimately wholly dedicated to his people and that is why he's the better sovereign.

​@@Dogue83Agree. The Emperor is what typical Ego Maniac leader dreaming to become god really is. He is boastfull and Pridefull, have his head in the clouds and when the reallity checks in, The Chaos came and he gone apeshit. Claiming he is a sleep in throne doing nothing and just fighting Chaos in the warp is too much of cliche and Power Fantasy even after his sleep he still want people to never question and worship him, and he is very detach even i as a viewer see him as just a leader with just Thick plot armor. Silent King is what i call the most 'human' leader i've ever seen, he is just a leader that has been given a Fractured empire and endless war by his predecessor, and facing all this gigantic messed he become desperate and stressed to try to find everything to get his people out of the mess, in the end he make a deal with a Ctan and dommed his people. Even after becoming Necron, he is not a pushover weak leader, he learns from his mistake and try to repair it and even he manage to kill the Old One and Ctan is very huge feat. But he is not gonna rule his people through total obidience, seeing his people becoming mindless robot must have been very heartwrenching to him, and so he left and free his people from the slavery of protocols and peace out to contemplate. Emperor and Silent King is a leader but they are the opposite of the same coin. Emperor is what Egoistic Narchisist ruler is, always self centered and never learn from his mistake. Silent King learned from his mistake, and he is not pride about what he do to the galaxy, and try to makes ammends to the Galaxy and the people he trully loves.

He’s also the funny 420 points number now

*_HATE._*

Or maybe they met. Tgat would be cool. This is 40k. Everything is possible 😂

@@berilsevvalbekret772 considering that Trayzn says he knew Guilliman from the time of the crusade, it could be plausible.

That's doesn't make any sense though, souls are made of warp stuff which cpnsta tly stated to be the Ctans one weakness. Why would they eat the one thing poisonous to them?

@@MisterZimbabwe I would die if I get hit by a tsunami but boi do I love drinking water.

60 million years was a good run though

Aye, a 60 million year downward spiral. I don't think there's been a slope more slippery

Peak copium from the average elf hater: Ignores them btfo'ing the necrons and THEN dealing with whatever was left of the Krorks, creating a galaxy wide paradise that lasted for tens of millions of years before it remotely began to decay and all that without stellaris level genocide. Keep in mind what even a million years is to man and look how far they've fucked the galaxy.

So the shells of the souls are their consciousnesses or selves, but they are hollow now and without any ability to control their own actions beyond their "instincts" (or rather programming)? Like the Hollows in Dark Souls?

@@Jupiter__001_ Being without a soul in 40k is usually described as being rather cold and emotionless. Sure, you can still feel something, but it's really weak if compared to a being full of soul (like humans, or even above, the Eldar).

Yeah, I don't think Imotekh is fixing on getting into the ring with him. He knows he'll get lolstomped. Beating him in a civil war where he doesn't need to get near him, nor his overpowered guards, is a lot more preferable.

@@youraveragescotsman7119 And even then, Szarekh is powerful enough to power through a bunch of his guards and body him Szarekh is going easy on him

For a given degree of ‘winning’.

They won already, it's just that winning isn't that fun (they lost their souls to win), and they are just a bit "rusty" when it comes to using their full force

Matt Ward. Guy is responsible for some really derpy lore.

OK, _how?_

@@Xalerdane I don't believe it's ever stated how many Necrons or ships he brought with him. We know Necrons at their prime had autistic levels of power and technology, so it isn't hard to imagine that even if it was a small fleet that the Silent King could have colonized primitive planets or subjugated lesser species. It's worth keeping in mind that the races outside of the Galaxy they encountered are unlikely to have been engineered or touched in some way by the old ones like the primary factions in 40k. I don't believe it's stated the extent of the expansion, only that it has occurred and that there are gifts awaiting the Necron people once/if the Tyranids can be haltered.

White dwarf?? They put important lore pieces in white dwarf and nowhere else?! God FW are idiots.