you could technically make the base 5x5x5 and make where you are standing a lootbag hatch and make the bags drop on the terrain

You could technically make a smaller base by making it on one of the trader bases since there is a "glitch" or something that allows you to build onto a trader's outpost without getting kicked out

I have noticed a lot more zombies get pushed through blocks that they did not in Alpha 20.

@@samiam4544 that's why you need to use the scaffolding ladder. It allows you to use mele in quite a decent area, doesn't allow zombies to go through (crawlers included) and you can shoot comfortably through

@@d.f.x.2481 Yeah works great for spears but I am doing sledgehammer shotgun in this play through. I do not have good enough aim to not just destroy my bases. Thanks for the reply.

Thanks - glad you enjoyed it!

This design is a death trap. There literally is zero redundancy. And you can't defend against the random zombie deciding to just munch on your back wall. Add a ladder or staircase (if you also want dogs to keep pathing) to the roof, so zombies keep pathing when you go up to kill random wall munchers. Add machicolations so you can safely shoot zombies munching on your walls (railings), crenelations against cop spit (plates - cops may see through, but spit is still catched by them) and a cope cage against birds (railings). Then, this is a pretty solid tower base with a ground floor melee and shooting position (still an odd choice, but it does work). A single copy of this design can't ever be redundant. But you can have backup clones of the design - just plant more bases in jumping distance and have holes in your crenelations and cage so you can jump to the next base if one gets breached. Use hatches as drawbridges if you want to be able to switch towers without jumping (you might have a broken leg and be fully out of stamina when you need to fall back). A gap of two blocks is enough to make zombies search for a new path to you (don't forget to close the hatches to break the path after you walked over to the next tower).

@@Oktokolo 🤓

Wow Kathrynck, thanks for that response - huge! For the wall safe - that sounds like a better option than the wall cabinet - thanks! And agree on this being a useful little addon to your crafting base, as a front door zombie greeting :) I've done my side activation (for the trigger plates) before, although I generally lack the coordination to pull that off well, and my theory was that anything that destroyed the trigger plates was probably going to do in the dart traps too. And if there's a ramp block with the plate side I'm going to be very annoyed with myself as I went looking but didn't find it :D :D (but now I have to go looking again lol) For difficulty it's actually set to Insane - the dart traps + tier 6 weapon + AP + penetrator just rips through them though. The radiated hawaiians when the dart traps are gone though just eat the ammo for breakfast though, it makes a huge difference when they are gone. Love your best/worst base description - particularly that the worst part of a great base is that it's no fun - it's so true! The most memorable hordes are the ones you get through with 10 health and no ammo left :)

@@CautiousPancake Yeah, moving the trigger plates probably wouldn't protect them much in that compact of a design. Seems like they're pretty much full-time-on though. But 1500 darts lasts about 5 to 5 and a half out of your 6 hours if just left "on" full-time (assuming 60 minute days and 18 hours daylight). So I can see the temptation to have them on a trigger to stretch out that time a little bit. Zombies hate to go 'down' if you're 'up'. I suspect making the base 5 blocks tall, but sinking it down a block... with a 1 block deep trench around the outside of it... so it's still basically 4 blocks above ground level. But in a 1 block deep depression (except at the entry ramp). uh... like a foundation which is exposed by a trench. would keep them from getting interested in your back wall. (probably! zombies can be weird) Or just make it 5 tall and use 2 ramp blocks. So beating through the back wall doesn't give them access to your legs. either of those "should" help pathing (should). I'm not sure there's a plate-sided ramp block... I just _feel_ like i've seen that... not sure! I may be imagining it! It wouldn't functionally change anything, but since you took the time to paint things... :) Did you notice that the electrical trap wires are a different height now in A21? The wire connects exactly 1 block high, instead of 1.5 blocks high. It's a little bit annoying to use, have to get creative to put multiple electric wires through the same zombie. Doesn't affect this base though. Probably simpler to use for players who weren't counter-sinking their poles I guess. Best use of 'your side' plate triggers I've had was either right under your fighting position (but that's basically just "always on", but with a little bit of an option to pause it), or right behind your firing position, so you can just take a step back when you're reloading or repairing, and the darts kick in while you're indisposed. OH, also a kinda fancy 'hatch hallway' design "with traps", but the player activates the traps at a 2-block offset to their standing position, so as you lose hatches & back up, different traps activate, moving with you. That's probably a day 7000 hatch hallway, but it lacks an elegant solution to demolishers, and anything blowing up in a tight hallway takes a lot of structure damage. That was with tripwires though. My most recent tinkering is just 2 platforms, with a walkway and fighting position at one end of the walkway. Pretty stock-standard horde base really. The only clever detail is that I made the top half of zombie-climing side out of 'bars' and the scaffolding ladders, so we can't shoot it up. It's not great, just good enough to be kinda exciting on day 50-100. Has melee options, but being in the wasteland, there's already tons of rads & demos, so melee doesn't work so well. It's a duo-base though. Melee and double-wide fighting positions are harder. Zombies stack up 3 across in a 2-block fighting area, and the 3 behind them can reach to hit the barrier, so a melee barrier takes a lot of extra damage compared to a 1-wide fighting spot. I tried 2 separate fighting spots, but all the zombies came to one side, then the other side later in the night. Might have to go to a 1-wide (get them all together) splitting into 2 equally tempting forked paths so they distribute evenly at 2 separate fighting spots.

I personally like the drawers for 'confined area storage' they sit on blocks, and are cheap. It gives you a TARDIS effect... (Dr Who theme swells and plays)

Lol! 😂😂 Thanks for that, made me giggle 🤭

Thanks Denise, good morning and hope you have a great day!

Thanks Leigh, glad to see you back 😊

Thanks Jaymunnie - I put in a wall cabinet at 17:35, but as someone else pointed out a wall safe is stronger (although the cabinet has more storage space). For the crawling that's an interesting question. I avoided it for this base as I have another crawl base coming up and didn't want to double dip :) But also, crawling usually needs to spreads out the zombies a bit more as the go from running to crawling, so I've always done it with a longer (longer than 3 blocks) path. Not to say it wouldn't work, though - I might have to have a play, thanks!

@@CautiousPancake your bases are always top notch. Even the niche ones like this. I seem to barely be able to slap a ladder or short corridor base on the side of an existing POI.

@@samiam4544 Thanks Sam! and there's nothing wrong with a POI base - we've all used em!

Great idea!

Thanks again notahobbit! 🙂

Thanks PJF! I agree, it would be good if they fixed the hitting through blocks and seeing through some of the thin ones for cop spit as well one day!

Thanks, glad you like it, and good luck (and have fun) making content for your channel!

Lol, I was drowning in loot bags for sure! 😃

Thank you so much 😀

Good call - although I blame the guy that forgot to switch to the .44 :)

Thanks for the feedback, always good to understand what works for people and what doesn't! Hopefully there's something in there you can adapt 🙂

Very certain I'm not a body builder 😃 but that's a new someone that I sound like!

Fantastic, have fun (and have a backup plan)! 😜

Thanks for the suggestion, that's something I added as well, check out 17:35

lol - what a way to go :D

Thank you kindly!

Thankyou!

Thanks Don, love that you're trying to adapt it to how you want to play!

If I wasn't limiting myself to 5x5x5, then that's absolutely worth doing!

Thanks Ezbz - and yes, it's been a good month!

Yeah - it's rude! :D

Yeah! and I'm offended! They should really practice Inclusiveness and Equality in this Living Supremacist world! LOL!

@@purpledude5526 to bad this .44 magnum has facts and logic for this argument lmao

@@glitchy5390 hahhaha

Cops cam shoot and "see" through plate blocks when you use them as walls like in this. But this base was actually suprisingly strong even made of only concrete for d7000 horde.

Agreed on the short path, that seemed to be the kicker, I have another design I'm working on that might need to be adjusted now 😃

absolutely - sneak across if the first fails, and you're golden.

You certainly could switch it over - it would basically just be a mirror image - and I certainly did not consider which way would be riskier for the buttons shots! Thanks for the suggestion!

Yeah for sure - lots of enhancements are possible if you want to go bigger. Given the limits that I was imposing on myself, that wasn't an option for me. And any time I'm using molotovs I agree, definitely keeping some water handy :D :D

Thank you! It's my best 5x5 for sure.

True! At least until I can figure out how to make it 4x4x4 :D

Thanks :)

For sure - a longer room and the rifle are an option - I have a base build in progress along those lines :)

Next time for sure!

No

Thanks! and as @lho10101 said, no damage from walking over them. Cop and demo explosions on the other hand ... :D

They will usually stack where there's a choke point on their pathing - what I tried to do here was only put the ledges in spots that the zombies shouldn't get stuck. At the entrance the wall was solid all around so that they hopefully can't get on the roof. If one or two did, the SMG turret would eventually get them, but for rads it could take a while. I don't recall any zombies getting there for any of the tests, until the pathing was already broken - like when they came through the back wall. So if you're having trouble with them stacking - try and move your ladders to somewhere they zombies don't want to go - if that makes sense?

Thanks!

Thanks!

Argh dang it! How did wwwwwwthat get there 😜 thanks for letting me know!

Haha thanks 🙂

I actually tested this back in A20 (and I don't believe it's cahnged) - and double fences doesn't actually do more damage, just provides redundancy for when the first breaks. Fences apply a debuff to the zombie, and the debuff ticks do the damage, and the debuff doesn't stack. Check out this video if you want to see how I got to this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7yEp8Smzafcfp8.html

Ta - definitely go for steel if you can afford it - I like to build for concrete only, as it shows up the weaknesses better!

@@CautiousPancake true, and now that i think of it you unlock concrete mixer much faster.. This is more realistic, but trough rewards and some wrenching its possible to upg all that 5x5 to steel even without crucible, also trader sell steel from time to time..

@@tomislavandric6476 absolutely!

Thanks!

Thanks purple dude! This was my own additional effort to stay within 5x5x5, and see how small it could be. Let me know how you go! To move time once creative mode is on, just hit escape and you can slide the time. Alternatively, use settime or 'st' command from the console window.

Sorry that I didn't include the wiring, I was worried the video was already getting too long. To wire it up, i did the following Generator to smg Generator to both electric fences below the generator Each fence to the corresponding fence on the other side, that order is important so that you can repair. Generator to each trigger plate. Each trigger plate to one of the dart traps next to it. Then that dar trap to the one above or below. The smg turret was angled so that the bottom of the view was the top of the base. So about 45 degrees. Hopefully that helps, let me know if anything doesn't make sense!

@@CautiousPancake that's great thanks. I wouldn't chain the wiring of the dart traps, one of them being destroyed would stop the second one from working, I'd wire them both up to the plate directly. Minor change but i think every optimisation matters at that size.

@@Wineblood Agree generally on not chaining and you're right 100% that if you lost the wrong dart trap it would stop the second one firing. For this base I'm not sure it will make a difference though, as the dart traps have 2500 hp vs the trigger plate at 1000, so most likely any explosion takes out the trigger plate first - but agree - non-chained is most robust, so I should have done it that way!

Thank you!

Oooooh love me a challenge. Free standing, or using POI's? Targetting what gamestage? And is the goal to survive or fight?

@@CautiousPancake Essentially a free standing bedrock base that does not use any POI, though that might be possible if built on an outside wall of one of the big POIs. Goal is to survive. I am very new to the playing the game but have watched many videos from some really outstanding creators. I am an old joystick guy and find it hard to adapt to keyboard and mouse. My idea in a nutshell, though some might think it cheesey. A three square hole straight down to bed rock. Starting at least 5 blocks down but not too far down coz the zoms will not path, build a small enclosure in one corner. It would be 2 blocks high with bars to keep me from falling out. In the opposite corner one of the minimal tiny bit blocks. This will entice the zoms to jump down to you. They almost always fall off the small bit. Once the zoms are all piled up down below, throw in a bunch of grenades at about 3:45 AM. All dead at once and a big lump of XP. I kinda sorta did this but never fine tuned the whole thing. it did work OK.

@@SailingOTR Thanks - I see what you mean - effectively an afk base?

@@CautiousPancake Not really. It is necessary to be inside the small enclosure in order to entice the zoms to jump into the hole in an attempt to eat you. ;

Not a bad idea, let me see if I can come up with something interesting!

Yeah the new spear is fun! I'm enjoying the batons as well for the first time ever :D

@@CautiousPancake i havent tried them.. whats good now about them?

@@tigrecito48 The pipe baton is weak compared to the other weapons, but is faster and lower stamina usage, so I feel like early game is easier if you miss like I do, as you get more chances with the batons. Then once you get to the shock version and make the repulsor mod, sending them flying is just too much fun :D

@@CautiousPancake hey. have you done that corrections facility poi yet? there are soooo many zombies in that.. i did it with early gamestage so not too bad.. all walkers and one cop.. id read to think what it will be like when its 50 green cops in there

@@tigrecito48 No I haven't yet, but that sounds "fun" at high gamestage :)

Argh, who proof reads these videos 🤦

Just a ledge on a cave? do you mean the mine poi's? Or a cave you dig yourself?

@@CautiousPancake both? I just survived a max64 insane horde on a cave side balcony lol

@@CautiousPancake btw, window frame blocks work nicely as a hit & stop block in bases, just like the better ladder blocks

@@CautiousPancake more specifically, a wall of a cave, then make a shelf on the wall, stick there, assume the whole cave is of stone wall

@@Jkauppa lol - thanks I'll have to check out cave hordes :)

They massively buffed the perk in A21.

So you could be right. I thought the armor reduction applied to all firearms and it was only the EXTRA penetration that applied to the rifles. All AP ammo gives 1 target penetration. So I was taking the penetrator for the increasing armor reduction which I thought would increase damage, but now I'm not so sure it does...

Just tested and it does give the extra damage from penetrator, on the smg, it's only small from say 43 to 48 but over enough shots, that'll add up :)

Great minds think alike 🙂 - I put in a wall cabinet instead of a floor block at 17:35 for the improved version.

@@CautiousPancake I think the wall safe is slightly more secure (from spit or hitting anyway). Only because it's broadly speaking "inside" another block. And as a lockable container, it has to be destroyed twice (so 2500 hp is really 5000). Explosions don't care though.

@@kathrynck Agreed, I had to go check them it's a trade of extra storage for the cabinet (72 slots with 1500 hp) vs the wall safe (40 slots with 2500 hp). Given the location the extra hp is probably more important!

For sure - I went with the wall cabinet for extra storage, there's also the wall safe which has less storage but more HP.

I have a few AFK base designs if that's what you mean - where the zombies can't get to you at all? There's the 3x3 AFK tower, 1-block Higashi AFK, Lemming Tower (which was nerfed in A21 but I fixed it) and the cheese grater from way back.

Thanks - agree wall safe would probably have been a better choice than the wall cabinet I used, as it has 2500 instead of 1500 health (but only 40 slots instead of the 72 on the cabinet). So depends on if you need the extra storage (or want the extra protection - I'd probably go the protection).

Thanks for the feedback - in hindsight I should have done a full build in a seperate video, wen't half and half and it didn't really work :( In case it helps, to wire it up, i did the following Generator to smg Generator to both electric fences below the generator Each fence to the corresponding fence on the other side, that order is important so that you can repair. Generator to each trigger plate. Each trigger plate to one of the dart traps next to it. Then that dar trap to the one above or below. The smg turret was angled so that the bottom of the view was the top of the base. So about 45 degrees. Hopefully that helps, let me know if anything doesn't make sense!

I've done a few crawl bases in alpha 20 and have another in the works as well 😀

Haha that is soooo going on my list!

@@CautiousPancake If it works, call it Cactus Corridor.

@@duphasdan Haha will do!

Nope , Leave it parked in the POI area that way you can use it at a storage unit to go to in the middle of clearing the POI. Your Transport will not disappear

I didn't mention it and thanks for asking - you absolutely could use steel! I tend not to, as I feel (and this is just my opinion) that using steel can sometimes cover up a flaw in a base design, allowing it to get through on high HP rather than a solid build, and that generally a good build will be fine at max gamestage with concrete if there aren't any issues. For this base though, my thinking was more specific - given the base relies on the fences in particular, and the dart traps to a lesser extent, any explosion is likely going to take out those due to the low health of the traps, and that having steel won't make any difference. Although now I've written that - I don't actually know if steel protects things behind it better than concrete? I'll have to check! Anyway - that was my reasoning 😀

@@CautiousPancake AFAIK, explosive damage just has a radius, and hits everything in that radius. Although blocks which move the explosive source further from the traps obviously help, or which get cop spit impact points away from the traps (small aoe effect).

@@kathrynck Thanks for confirming that!

Sorry, I don't understand your question - are you asking if the ladder blocks the pathway where it is at the end?

I hope not :) - I was trying to play properly with this one!

Someone fire my editor! 🤣

​@@CautiousPancakeI'm kinda surprised nobody else noticed lol. Like the base idea, small and cozy, not much resources to build it. really the only hard part about it is forging enough darts to fill all the traps. Still my fav base you shown so far is the trader base, just yeeting the zombies onto Rekt's front door has become my new favourite thing to do in game lol

@@avenguard9503 Hehe - yeah, it's a bit of a drag making the darts, but they are so much cheaper than bullets. Love that you are enjoying the trader sledge base!

I've not tested, but I would expect it to work (as well as it ever did) since there's no real massive pathing changes in 1.0.

Yeah, I certainly hit a few in the chest, with the way the editing worked out there were more too, although only the one that exploded when I ran out of ammo and didn't switch weapons fast enough!

It adds a little bit extra damage for the amour reduction yes, and noting that the AP rounds shotgun slugs will penetrate 2 zombies (i.e. hit 3 zombies total).

Loot bags disappear after 20 mins real time, if that's what you were asking?

Not sure of your question exactly, but day 7000 is a common "full end game" horde night test popular with youtubers. I've moved away from it in later videos when doing base testing for efficiency, but it's an easy day to remember to jump to for a horde night. Let me know if that's not what you meant?

He sure did, I did some too, and both guns nerds and steel and waywardEko have done 2x2 (probably others too) but in all of them there's unlimited height allowed, I wanted to remove that as I think it ramps up the difficulty, in a different way. All the challenges are fun in their own way!

You don't think zombies are carrying Santa sacks full of loot around with them? :D

Thanks for the feedback - if I could ask a favour please, to help me improve, do you normally watch full horde nights from other channels, and it's my style that you found boring? Or was there not enough action or something? Always keen for thoughts on how to make better videos!