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Great point about this needing to be integrated into DAWs. Also, it's crazy to me that every plugin doesn't automatically come with auto-gain. We have the technology. The benefits are obvious.

I bought this plugin after trial because it is basically a volume leveller serves as a compressor+expander but without actually altering the transient of the signal! Very natural volume levelling. I use it before compressor so the compressor doesnt need to work as heavily as before, also i can use compressor more for transient shaping/tonal colouring. Compressor and limiter works better if the signal’s volume is already quite stable before hitting it

You can set up something like automatic riding in reaper but it just takes a few steps. Kenny made a video on it some years back. Essentially you can a meter on a track and then print an envelope based on the measurement. You can choose whatever you want, e.g. a loudness meter measuring momentary LUFS. You'll get an envelope that follows the waveform. Then you just need to invert the envelope. Plugin looks nice and more convenient but just a tip if you want something free on Reaper.

the noise floor threshold would also be good (theoretically) for not amplifying breaths but still leveling

One more innovation toward the future of audio. I think I need this thing. And as to boring? This is the mundane stuff that is at the heart of good mixing and recording. Levels. EQ. Gain staging. Mic placement. The building blocks of good sound.

Mennnnn !!! Was waiting for this thing to make my synth sit at the best place in the mix without butchering equ's and really nice for vocals too ;-) Thanks !

Brilliant idea dude!...rider/ intelligent faders with top and bottom treshold settings.

I agree that it would be highly beneficial if digital audio workstations (DAWs) could incorporate an internal feature that can selectively scan a track for leveling changes and automatically fix them.

This is EXACTLY what I need for Live Streaming

I am producing mostly electronic musik but - i do not often use my faders. After 20 yrs. i let my Faders as they are. I level with abletons Utiliy if nessesary. And so i do have always the option free to make everything more quiet or louder. The next thing is i do make Subgroups. So i can use ontop of the Group effects like compression. Or some Amping or use the "External Route" for routing it to my Mixer and go analog. there i can LEVEL everything a bit more analog - so often all i do is drive the gain a bit harder and Mix Mono AMP to the Signal to fatten it up. THATS ALL. It makes such a huge difference. BUT i found a way that comes pretty close using spl Twin Tube and Utility MONO mode on Aux Bus. For self made Upward Compression. And i have to say - THOSE Plugins blew my mind: SPL Vitalizer mk2-T, Maag EQ4, BX_2098 eq, BX Console 4000 G, BX Master Desk, Waves Puigtech, Using these the right way makes a Mix to a whole new level. I would love to have the vitalizer the maag eq4 and the Creme as harware.. but i have not the money. I truly believe - that there is a difference in use between "ROCK" or Instrumental Musik and Electronic Musik. In that one you can use static gain settings. In Real recordings a compressor is more a need to compensate small gain differences. To make everything more glue. That is not the case when using synth. They often come with fixed volumes and its more a "make it more thick"moment for the Gain and plugins. Often by manipulating the envelopes. In the end you want in electronic musik all in to face - becourse that is modern Sound. If you mix like rock pop and so on - you will sound like in the 90s. Oldscool. So it is style and genre that diktate what you NEED to use. But i prefer using static settings with small automations. On off of the LFO Tool or on off of an compressor. Or side chain. I always pick the problem - fix it. And often it doesnt need to be inactive after work. Becourse nothing happens. So there is a bit of Musikal aspekt too. There is a mixing Technique using automations for riding a Gain curve to create Tesion. That is often a nice thing. Just go 1-2db for more Tension and more Dynamik feel. But you can create tension to by layering without using Gain. Just use a 2nd Layer that comes in. Gain ridings are always a option. But there is a fingerprint in Mixing style to do things a specific way. Many do mix like they have been shown. I have learend it by try and error. And Gain Rides are painfull if somthing is a very complex arrangement. It blew everything up. Making it more and more. A mix can win but often it is - more Komplex means more to look for. And Failures can come! Sometimes things like drops can make hours of searching. Or Pops Bleps Clicks that come from automations that are just not done right. A mix has to work like it is - level it keep it and work around it with it. But dont make Stupid nonsense ridings. If you need that or want it use UTILITY and not the Faders. That lesson was learned hardway and it works.

It does seems nice but how is it different than Melda Autogain ? this one also have some target level and some range of action, with adjustable speed. Maybe a bit less fancy UI but seems pretty on the gain part.

I can confirm that this plugin is fantastic. Easy to use, transparent, fast, convenient and flexible. I much prefer it to the Waves RIDER plugins, which I have never really been able to tweak to my liking, at least for BUSS implementation

This could be very practical for TV work, where we composers often receive roughly-mixed dialogue. This would help greatly to smoooooth things out and get your DIAL track to (roughly) where it should be

Looks like a cool alternative to MAutoVolume and Outlaw.

This is one of those things that I’ve always wondered why it didn’t exist… I remember looking up autogain plugins and thinking “Not only does nobody make this, but nobody is even talking about it”. But in sound design sessions, some of the smaller more creative developers don’t have autogain and I get that, but there’s no excuse for the big guys. Completely agree with that functionality being integrated into the daw, imagine having an autogain button on your console 😳

If you end up using it on your mic levels in future videos, I would love to see a follow up of what you think after having used it a while.

I think Sound Radix's POWAIR has this same level rider baked into a section of their compressor. It's not new, but it's worth looking into as an alternative. Very recommended!

What do you think using it to re-render tracks "autogained" to comparable levels and not use trim all the times? There is a program for dj called platinum notes but i think it not work really good, i want to do the same for free in ableton

Will try this to level out theatre or discussion rounds where actors/speakers have very different speech volume.

Waves had a few Rider plugins which were really useful. Problem with Waves though, I didn't need 10 compressors or 15 EQ units, so this fills that niche really well.

What do you think is better? This one or MAutoVolume? I can't find a proper comparison anywhere.

Hello I'm so agree with you on audio level match. An extension for my browser would be cool too so we wouldn't be fooled by audio demo Dry/Wet by Plugin Manufacturers (Wet version is usually louder) :) Thanks your channel and Rant are very useful to me.

write automation in to the daw: for plugin it possible to do it, i think there is waves rider that can write automation in to the daw that you can later change manually, so developer of plugin if you read comments try do it somehow but yeah as option in reaper i.e. it will be cool

I guess it works as follows: it basically calculates the short term or momentary loudness value and adjusts it to the desired value by applying gain while excluding the signal below the noise floor threshold from the calculation but instead keeping the level constant for these parts. If it works like that the concept behind this is actually pretty simple.

I think this is one of the most exciting things 😮

I can see this as a quick solution for Podcasts or Overdubs. But yes, this should be standard in every DAW.

You should see the new one they came out with recently

Should I input the bass sound into the mixer, defined as VuMeter -3db + so that the kick together is 0 db? I still can't decide... I saw a video where they just hang TR5 Clipper +6db on the master and work without VU Meter with sounds

I am still intending to Programm a plugin for just adding auto gain to a chain... just need to learn how to do it propperly. Cause like... Maybe have a mode for the normal kinda level as it is displayed in a daw and then maybe have one setting where you can put in either the normal hearing curve of the human or one that you did with a test... maybe from a doctor or yourself... don´t know yet... maybe I can include it into the programm. So you can have auto gain matching the way you hear... don´t know if that would make sense to do though...

Because Max For Live is built into some kind of Ableton API thing you can program a plugin that does this quite well.

The hornet autogain plugins can write automation. Can't remember off the top of my head which one was the equivalent of this but I think all the ones I have were

I was waiting for this plug-in, for side chain

I wonder how this compares to waves vocal or bass riders?

Cool Plugin, def. need a replacement for Waves Rider. Regarding reading the audio data in advance: all DAWs and plugins do that with the buffer size. FFT never works on a single chunk of data and is always processed over a buffered period. And In for example Samplitude there are many tweakable settings for track- and object buffers which add up in a pre playback delay. The DAW then calculates effects etc. in advance. This works really well and doesn't compromise real-time editing.

FINALLY! lol. I see you took my and probably many others advice and found a good gain matching plugin :P

A direct comparison to other rider plugins like PoWair and the ones from Waves would be awesome. I already own some and would like to know if Gainaim would add new value to the lineup.

Oh yeah we definitely got some Bon Iver fans here - great track really love that vibe.

is it similar to Vocal Rider by Waves or am I wrong?

Do you think it's better than vocal rider by waves ? Which has automation writing option, by the way...

Before watching the video, it's bascially a waves vocal rider?

In reaper you can write mesurement graphs as volume automation, eighter short term, momentary or integrated lufs or rms, but all of those react after the fact. Eg. if you have a podcast, and have a break for 3 seconds, it's going to mess everything up. So stupid to that we still use compressors like they're analog, reacting instead of calculating based on the result. Hell, there are hardly any compressors with a lookahead. Very happy that this get's attention in a good video on a good channel.

The JS Plugin Sphinx 2 from Tukan has a built in Rider

Tell us which song / artist this is please :)

I like Letimix Gainmatch more for this as it lets you A/B moves more easily.

Doesn’t Sonible smart comp 2 has this built in?!

why it's not part of the DAW? because in many use cases you want this pre-FX but also simultaneously post-FX (which is fader default), there is no DAW with dual faders so far....

How does this compare to waves playlist rider

To me it seems just a limiter/expander/gate with 3 or 4 preset combinations of attack and release. Nice to have it in one package, but nothing you can't already do with stock plugins.

You might like HorNet's Autogain Pro.

I can’t believe gainaim doesn’t have automatic gain compensation for it’s gain compensation 😂

Hm. I';ve just tested it on a podcast recording. I've set the leveler on the master for -16. And the rendered file has -13.5 LUFS. Hmmm.

Love the ah moment!! I agree!! This should have been a PART of every DAW!! " YOU, my lord should creath a DAW"

we need somethiing like this on drums, goooood it would be great

waves have 2 of these. one for bass stuff and one for vocals... but tbh you could use them for anything and I have. does exactly the same thing as this. i do not like Waves marketing but I actually think these 2 are just as good if not better than these as they both focus on specific ranges.

The way you describe a rider at 1:31 ish Isn’t that just an RMS style compressor? Where it still can react “quickly” but doesn’t catch peaks and spikes in signal That’s how I understand it Edit: nevermind you sorta addressed my question in the video

Talking about stone age of audio and daw... there is still handfull of them wich dont have pre/post fader fx options wich is not really a huge deal breaker but at the times it really pisses me off... :s

Yes: Reaper should have a rider feature!

Oh....why doesn't my Cubase 12 Pro have auto write automation from a rider??!! I mean its not exactly a cheap DAW. What a really good point Wytse! Surely though I can just set my automation track to W and record this plugin riding in real time? Surely? Am I missing something - then bypass it once written? Yeah? No? 🧡

Autogainer? You sold this for me with that!

We need Post-fader inserts in our DAWs

I like it, but as there are many gain rider plugs to choose from whether paid-for or free, I dunno. I use Rough Rider 3 and the one by TBPro Audio (I forget its name). 🙂

so this is basically like a really good mastering compressor

Isn't Hornet's "TheNormalizer" an autogain plugin?

Nice idea, let the DAW write the rider moves as automation, which you then later adjust!

Ah. I'm not sure GainMatch from LetiMix has that noise floor functionality. good to know

Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 126 We need more GAIN in life.

You can do this in Reaper. :)

00:1:03 A rider is simply a guy on a vehicle rides and compressing his seat with his bud!

It DOES NOT write an automation??

Right! Started to sound as a more Interesting topic 😁 For Reaper, as always, we can count on Kenny for some ways to manage situations like this, not automatic with Vol envelop, but helps... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtCepaqGnZm0cmg.html Or Linking FX parameters kzfaq.info/get/bejne/acCRfq9pv8reiJc.html Thanks for your "Honest reviews" videos!

8:36 or you can use lo-fi pro tools plugin 😜

But except the naming plug-in seems to be interesting

Kinda useless without a sidechain option isn't it? I mean volume is entirely perceived in context because of masking, and masking can't be judged on LUFS because it's about neighbouring frequencies.

Very interested to demo this as a definitive auto-gain riding plugin is the holy grail of blissful quality of life mixing tools IMO… that being said, my biggest concern here is gonna be the CPU load of each instance because if this maxes out my CPU with multiple instances then it just isn’t worth it…

outlaw from w.a production rulesssssssssssssss

it seems like Kenny Gioia already thought about this and found the solution in Reaper: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtCepaqGnZm0cmg.html

Hornet AutoGain can write automation and it's ridiculously cheap.

Ableton Live users, you're welcome ;) Re: Autogain devices 1. Volume Buddy by Cats & Beats: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9p1la5i27nKk30.html 2. Volume Compensator by LAEX: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5tgZ6Z1mcjbY6M.html

Wave rider is a fantastic rider but Pro Tools only, but it beats everything I have tried.

I wasn't looking at the screen and thought who the hell names a plugin as "Gay Name" when I first heard it. :D

Waves vocal rider has been around for years

Riders in DAW? Holy. Thats actually genius. Ableton, do it!!

The song sounds just like a bombay bicycle club song

most used atmosphere sounds recorded with mics

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did i read autogain? fuck yea

reaper is the best

There should be a general boycott of plugins without autogain. It is the single biggest factor in learning to make good mixes. Edit: just so it's clear... Im joking with the boycott...

I could tell that you saId "Write" and not "Ride" immediately because "Ride automation" makes no sense! Of course, I've been watching your videos for a number of years and here in the upper midwest (Wisconsin specifically) it's not all that uncommon to interact with immigrants from the Netherlands and other northern Eurpoean countries so we're more used to those accents and have less problems understanding them!

How come there's no jokes about Gay Name in the comments ? Naming of this plugin is just amazing

Who named this plugin? Whytse is trying so hard not to say "G*y Name." WTF

Auto gain doesn't matter

Test the P11 ABYSS Compressor!

Auto gain will save everyone hours of mixing

Didn’t really need to watch this just look at the face in the thumbnail

Useful but $40? Nah.

This plug-in sucks. I'd highly recommend just adjusting the output gain if you're hearing an audible increase in loudness. And yes, if it's audibly louder but states it's the same loudness (to which I doubt it'll be the same most the time anyway), just turn it down till it has the SAME perceived loudness as before to see if any changes are actually improving the source. Will this plug-in never work? Well no, I think it's better for beginners - but if already have experience in Engineering and/or mastering, this plug-in is moot and useless.

Gay name?