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The Sonos vs Google Disaster Hammers Your Smart Speakers
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2 жыл бұрынSonos vs Google is getting ugly, and it's likely to get uglier as we move forward. The scary thing is this won't just hit your Nest speakers, but likely your Echo speakers as well and it will probably get worse for all of you, the consumers, before it can get better.
We can say that Sonos' lawsuit shouldn't have ever happened, or we can say that Google should just pay Sonos for royalties, but what matters today is what's going to happen to your smart speakers and specifically your Google Nest speakers, your Google Home speakers, your Google Chromecast, and your Android or Pixel phone. Those products are losing features in the next 2 months (less now), and Google is applying updates already.
Sadly, there's not a lot we can do today, but I'll show you what you can do....
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@HansAramburo 2 жыл бұрын
I've always had a routine that sets all my speakers individually to 20 percent at 3am. I call it baseline. That way when I wake up, all my speakers are at the same level. I haven't touched any of the speakers and so far the routine still works.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
What's the command Hans? I can't find one that works for me...but maybe it's because I touched it after app updates...
@HansAramburo 2 жыл бұрын
Set volume to 2 on Family Nest Mini 1. I just tried it and it works.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Try it out folks! Not working for me at the moment but Hans has it working on his end.
@ramnik.khanna 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife The volume on the individual Google smart speaker can be set, but not in a smart speaker group that you've created for yourself.
@ntdnguyen85 2 жыл бұрын
When I try to change the volume on my speaker pair in Google Home app, the round ring is greyed out but I found if you click on the setting/gear button on the to-right and then return to the speaker pair the volume adjust ring comes back. Don't know how long this will stay though.
@Yama_1291 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Sonos even got a patent for controlling volume on speakers in different rooms is baffling to me. I guess Google should just license the tech then. They have literally all the money after all.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It'll be interesting to see if they do and just how costly that gets for them and for our speakers
@RolandG-y3w 2 жыл бұрын
This is a misconception... The technology is owned by Sonos... If you don't use the Sonos specific code/tech than it will not be an infringement. But I do agree that the end user cannot be allowed to be the one that deals with the consequences... So Google should be made to pay a hefty fine and hefty licensing fees....
@brentmcknight5344 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife yes that sucks for us but It doesn’t make it right. Would you have bought all your Google/Amazon speakers if they didn’t have have some of these features. (As a tech reviewer probably,😂). But you get my point.
@egesanli619 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos just killed all the wifi speaker industry. They shouldn't be able to take the patent of these essential features
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Let's hope it doesn't go much further. They're not after everyone for sure
@smoke.007 2 жыл бұрын
I can't understand how things that seem common sense are able to be patented. That shouldn't be allowed since it's stifling technology
@wys0123 2 жыл бұрын
It's never a patent to have main volume control all speaker attached to the main amp from analog era. This is a basic and logical way of the sound system. This has to work on any smart speaker units despite Sonos patent.
@rahalrodrigo5430 2 жыл бұрын
You're right! Honestly I'm a SONOS fan but and support IP protection, but I have no idea how this can be protected......or how there is no workaround that Google could use.
@wys0123 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahalrodrigo5430 I respect Sonos bringing overpriced and upscaled sound system but this is cripple fair competition. This can lead to a monopoly in the market. Google is closer path to monopolizing but none of Google hardware products are dominating in their category yet.
@rahalrodrigo5430 2 жыл бұрын
@@wys0123 Yes, I agree with you that it isn't fair in that regard. That's why I hope that Google somehow finds a work around. As much as I love SONOS, I would never want them to become a monopoly. This feature is a basic necessary and should not belong to anyone company, like during the analog devices days as u pointed out.
@riffraff9070 8 ай бұрын
I can't get a defnitive answer. Will the Era 100 speakers connect with googel fiber/Nest Pro MESH steup? Im hearing it wont, and only will connect to one devicce i.e. (soundbar) some say it will, trying to determine before I buy the Sonos Beam and Era 100 speakers.
@AutomateYourLife 8 ай бұрын
Sorry, can't tell you this one.
@MrEdwardCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Brian, thanks for the informative video. Interesting to hear. My question is: Is there actually any good news in the pipeline in the short medium or long term for us Google home speaker and display users. It all feels terribly stagnant at the moment - to the extent that it might all just become obsolete.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Other than Matter? I don't see a ton of amazing things coming this year. Behind that though, there's some really good work on AI/ML that Google's doing that should push their system (and maybe their speakers) forward in terms of Life/Home Automation.
@aumis93 2 жыл бұрын
One thing most people miss (and I noticed missing from your timeline, although it did include the note about granted patent dates) is that these Sonos patents were actually originally filed as Priority claims way back in 2003 (In fact these patents start expiring next year). This was long before others had thought about wirelessly controlling speakers from a controller or any of the other things that now seem obvious about wireless speakers. Sonos spent years spending money developing technology that only recently has become mainstream. It's just a nuance that gets missed, and one that is should be in every article. Thanks for the video!!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
True and a fact I noticed during research. Just hard to explain in a snippet...which is how our news is digested these days. 🤦
@toffeebear7133 2 жыл бұрын
This is bull... Anyone really believe that sonos invented Centralised volume control? Of course not. I had philips devices that did that before sonos was a thing. Sonos have been abusing IP protection
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
More than a few people saying this today Theo.
@ParkerMisadventures 2 жыл бұрын
I too am able to control volume of a single speaker with my voice while listening to music on a speaker group. It can be finnicky as it seems to have a truncated window for the command but if I don't hesitate and say "set bedroom speaker to 50%" then it will change the volume of that one speaker. In addition to the short timeframe for the command, I've found the speaker name has to be exact. It seems like they aren't taking any chances when it comes to this particular ability. While frustrating, this is good enough for me because my speakers are dispersed throughout my house and even though I'm playing music through all of them, I generally only need to change the volume of the one closest to me.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I sure hope that holds for you Michael! It's gone for me.
@Blueridgedog 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Sonos system in all the rooms in my house. I started this because they created the ability to have centralized control before Google and Amazon had products available. Yes, they charge significant prices for their products. There is nothing to subsidize them as that is all they sell and they don't have the volume to have steep economies of scale advantages. As the years rolled on and I saw what Google and Amazon became, I continued to stay with Sonos.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
And that's great as long as you're happy James! Great speakers for sure.
@Blueridgedog 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife I and honestly confused as to why Google has not simply licensed the rights. They have ample cash on hand such that it would not event dent revenue.
@jamesyjamesik715 2 жыл бұрын
@@Blueridgedog I believe Sonos and Google had a partnership at the time it's likely there was some sort of deal at the time that allowed for it and Sonos turned their eye for the sake of the partnership now they are no longer partners...
@nrnugteren 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesyjamesik715 This indeed, or something of that gist.
@CharlieLOL Жыл бұрын
Sonos is making the same inevitaby terminal mistake that killed off Blackberry and Adobe/Macromedia Flash. Got greedy, price gouged beyond belief some specific proprietary questionably patented tech we all needed till the entire industry/planet teamed up to shun them into near extinction.
@HectorMachCesar Жыл бұрын
I had my chrome cast audio connected to my sonos play 5 but since a year ago stopped working and I thought that the chrome cast had died, so I plugged it to my Bose speaker and it worked perfectly fine. Did sonos stopped Google chrome cast to connect via plug in through software update?
@AutomateYourLife Жыл бұрын
I don't know that actually...but I could imagine they did. Never heard this before.
@Leonvolt28 2 жыл бұрын
Just tested something. You can control volume levels at the same time when using home assistant
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Now there's a great use for H.A.! I bet Hubitat can do the same...
@Displays.1234. 2 жыл бұрын
Patents like this should never be allowed...
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It does seem a bit restrictive...doesn't it.
@coy9898 2 жыл бұрын
Ya how do they get a patent for multi-room speakers? That alone seems unfair. Also how much Sonos charges is unfair, I bought nest speakers just for pairing feature
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
The patent might have made sense back when it was introduced...but man does it corner a huge market now. I guess that explains the pricing model? I mean...the Sonos speakers do sound pretty amazing too.
@Geoff_W 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still able to set the volume of my media player groups in home assistant (which use my Google speakers). I'm assuming that's because it's probably making an individual call to each speaker via the API.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah you're the second person to say this!
@Geoff_W 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife so, I also just tested several of my scenes as well, which also change the volume, and those still seem to work as well. Hopefully this could be a workaround for some? Dunno. That does mean paying $5/month to Nabu Casa for the Google synchronization.
@rslbrg 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife Home Assistant works in my setup, too.
@bit-born Жыл бұрын
@@Geoff_W You don't need Nabu Casa to setup Google Assistant with Home Assistant. Just a Domain name with SSL to your Home Assistant instance will do.
@unityelt 2 жыл бұрын
Now we can't play sound in all speakers at once. I was able to go to home app, selected a group and stream to group. I don't get that option anymore
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhh and we hope that comes back soon
@bokunoatama4611 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 Nest mini 2nd generation stereopaired. Over the past weeks i experianced that i could not change the volume by voice command. The last 3 days though it just started working properly again. So confused since i thought i understood that this function wont be included anymore.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Stereo pairing actually will continue to work. That's the funny thing about all of this. :)
@bokunoatama4611 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife i dont get it... thx for the reply
@CharlesReiche 2 жыл бұрын
Google assistant and KZfaq music should suddenly be broken on Sonos speakers. Oops
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the 5 Google are suing for will affect
@Alice_Walker Жыл бұрын
I had been completely unaware of this controversy until recently, I'm on version 3.1.1.15 of Google Home on my Pixel 7 pro and my speaker groups recently disappeared and with the new app update the ability to add speaker groups has disappeared completely now as well. There is no option for add group under "+" or in any of the device setting menus. I can still set speaker pairs but that's it 🤦🏻♀️
@AutomateYourLife Жыл бұрын
:(
@K.L.A.S 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think routines fixes the volume issue. At least it didn't for me. I've got routines set up to adjust volume on multiple speakers that I've had set up for ages. All those routines have stopped working properly in the last few weeks.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
That's been my experience too...sadly.
@HansAramburo 2 жыл бұрын
I also make heavy use of the default speaker settings. So I set my default to the appropriate speaker group that way I don't have to specify a group when I change the volume on a speaker.
@ramnik.khanna 2 жыл бұрын
@Hans Aramburo, you can't do that anymore, that is, are you still able to adjust the volume of all speakers in the group with a single command?
@amanduuh624 2 жыл бұрын
i was about to say, it worked controlling all volume when connected thru Bluetooth only. And using ' dual audio ' on a Samsung devices. The audio delay though.... frustrating to sync audio in speaker groups. You gotta go to audio settings for each device.🥴
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh...I know... :(
@tristanhawkins8699 2 жыл бұрын
Could we use the Starling Hub which integrates all of the nest devices with HomeKit? Then we could use AirPlay2 for multi room on our Google Nest speakers and hubs?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I thought the Starling Hub was more for the cameras. Am I wrong there? Been a while since I looked.
@cferra 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife starling hub does provide airplay functionality to google speakers
@tristanhawkins8699 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife Chris is right. From looking at the FAQs it sounds like it supports AirPlay (not AirPlay2). So maybe this could be an option 🤷♂️
@gospelgroupie 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Google, SONOS' net worth is $3.8Bil. Just buy it already, along with all of its patents, and then make Alexa uniquely unbearable to use.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
*Google Assistant Responds* I'm sorry, I don't know that command....
@rilwantijani 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife lol
@HansAramburo 2 жыл бұрын
So Brian is this change a server side change? They are not expecting us to do what you did and reset back to factory the speakers right?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. Firmware for Cast will be updated server side. There's a check being done on bringing in new/disconnected devices back into the app that ensures the cast version is high enough.
@robertoburgmet 2 жыл бұрын
My sonos are not showing up on the cast button (youtube/android), I'm in the same network and I've done everything for them show but nothing, they sound though but thru the sonos app. Does any of this has something to do?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you should be able to cast, but I don't have a Sonos speaker to test anymore sorry
@brentmcknight5344 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t Google just pay Sonos and negate the need for all these work arounds?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhh but then our speaker cost would go way up
@brentmcknight5344 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife It doesn’t sit well with me, companies that large, bringing in the kind of revenue that they do, feel the need to steal tech from smaller companies. And if you already own the speakers then it won’t cost you a thing if they pay Sonos to use their patents. 😉
@darthvader2499 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Back in 2010 my ihome played music in all my rooms. And while typing this, in my google home scroll down to groups I click on my bedroom speaker group and still have my volume slider 😜. I’ve never used the volume rocker on my phone but the volume slider in my bedroom group speaker set up is there and that’s what I’ve always used. Good vid.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Darth! Don't force choke anyone today please.
@alwaysright3718 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos is a failure because its refusal to integrate in to Google Home speaker groups... most people walk away from Sonos for this reason alone!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
super painful
@alwaysright3718 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos gave me a Five, a Beam soundbar and a One. They are useless as they don't connect in to my Google Home in any way. I wouldn't ever pay for Sonos its rubbish...
@jitengori9268 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian. Do you happen to have any update on the group volume issue? Appreciate any insight!! Thanks!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, no good updates coming yet Jiten. Sorry :(
@jitengori9268 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife bummer!! Thanks for checking Brian!
@Mr_Wilson_1967 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos speaker are all I use for sound throughout the house. Google Home app, Hub Max and a couple Hubs around the house for smart control. I see Sonos' argument. But group volume control is being picky. I only use the Sonos app when playing music and home theater control. I wish the Google hubs had better visual controls for Sonos. I'd like to tap on the Hub, flick through my library and listen to music on the Sonos system. Include the album art on the display. The smart home industry in a whole needs to get better at playing nice.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
They sure do need to be nicer. Nobody's working together and it's stupid for consumers.
@74357175 2 жыл бұрын
Why is no one saying the obvious: Sonos is being a troll? Perhaps they're getting desperate.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Well they've got the IP now...it's hard to say that they're not allowed to enforce it. It just suuuuucks.
@74357175 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife the idea that controlling your speaker groups from a phone or central location should be patentable makes a mockery out of actual inventions. I realize that companies build patent portfolios based on crap like this to attack each other, but that's exactly why Sonos' choice to do so is trollish...
@streetwiztech5505 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos have turned up the volume of their complaints..!! love the dry humour Brian, informative as always, so another 10 mins of my life well spent..
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Glad someone noticed the puns! ;)
@coy9898 2 жыл бұрын
Ya how do they get a patent for multi-room speakers? That alone seems unfair
@DeMiGoD12091987 2 жыл бұрын
Does this effect sonos speakers as well? Because im using google home to play music on them
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
No impacts there yet, but we will see how deep this fight gets.
@2AFreedom 2 жыл бұрын
I am switching to Homekit, with Matter around the corner it’s exactly what I was waiting for as an iPhone, apple Watch and iPad user I was thinking a long time about it.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think you'll be the last
@CharlieLOL Жыл бұрын
I refuse to be held hostage by Sonos.
@AutomateYourLife Жыл бұрын
I ditched my Sonos personally.
@tavicher8719 2 жыл бұрын
Google should just buy Sonos, that should shut them up!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
You're not the only one saying that!
@abel5925 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sonos, I won't be using you for my home theater setup now :)
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
And if Abe Lincoln says no...
@philipperostin 2 жыл бұрын
What about the IKEA speakers ? Even though they clearly use Sonos technology, they are NOT sonos branded, so will they still work with google as intended ?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Ikea Symfonisk are Sonos licensed. Currently it looks like Sonos and Google are allowing other agreements to continue, but we'll have to see if that stays.
@kristianandersen9347 2 жыл бұрын
Great information, I didn’t know about this issue untill I saw this video. Well, I couldn’t figure out why all of a sudden I couldn’t control the volume. Now I know, thanks.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped Kristian!
@Joseph-ko2kl 2 жыл бұрын
So Google just buy Sonos- Problem fixed. :) I have a 1st gen mini that randomly fell off the network, never got the prompt to download the helper app but it took 3 days and 2 phones to finally get it back up and running.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Scary how many stories I'm hearing are like this right now.
@Chaz12345 2 жыл бұрын
I just downloaded an older version of home app 💁🏻♂️ I got full control over my speaker groups back.. from within the app at least 🤷🏻♂️
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhh people can do this but I'm betting that option will disappear soon or not work! 60 days from the loss of the decision.
@senil5906 2 жыл бұрын
I own two Broadlink universal remotes, with which I control two TVs, change channel, change volume, mute and on, off, since all this madness started with Sonos, all I have to do is open and close the TVs, the inconvenience is much greater than network volume control on the mini nest. If anyone has found a solution to my problem, please answer. Thanks !
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Do the two TVs come in as 2 devices into the GH app, or is it many devices? Like a device for volume up on TV 1 and a device for volume down on TV 1...etc?
@senil5906 2 жыл бұрын
No , 2 Two rooms ,two devices , two remotes .
@daprince27studio 2 жыл бұрын
One another note, some nest displays have been malfunctioning. The screen goes blank with the letter G in the middle of the screen. So far google have not been able to resolve the issue, because even hard reset haven't worked.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd read a few folks ended up with new speakers after talking to support.google.com on that one!
@daprince27studio 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife I'm one of those folks lol in the process of receiving a new one because one of my Nest hub displays went blank on me last weekend. I have many of them around my home, but only one went blank. Google support haven't been able to provide an explanation.
@grantos8276 2 жыл бұрын
My first gen hub did that but came back, music has been a bit patchy lately too. This sux,can google just pay a fine??
@macinman 2 жыл бұрын
I have both Google and Amazon Smart speakers. I primarily use the amazon eccosystem though. As far as devices that I use regularly from Google that would be my 2016 Sony TV that runs android TV. However, Android TV is there because I didn't have a choice as that's what it came with. I primarily rely on external functionality from devices connected to the TV, rather than the TV's built in smart tech. As far as Amazon, I have always adjusted each Echo's volume independently, and I have one speaker pair in the dining room and kitchen, and that's a pair of Echo Dot 3rd generation speakers that face each other that are on the respective outlets in holders. It sounds like speaker groups based on this aren't the main target, and amazon may change things before I'd really feel any kind of impact. Still: it's good to know about these things. This was the first time, I had heard anything about this.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I'm keeping you up to date Clinton, so we're not surprised by anything!
@sholmesbrown 2 жыл бұрын
Being able to control speakers via wifi shouldn't be a patient. It's just stupid.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It seems a little bizarre to me...
@Bluedruid13 2 жыл бұрын
Just another reason to not like Sonos. They are way too expensive for the crap they sell. Never wanted any of their stuff and never will.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of frustration :(
@ktm5009 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Sonos IS fairly priced. Google has alternative motives on which pair well with their lower priced hardware. Besides, Sonos has been paying several licensing fees for use of proprietary software they use, ie: Dolby digital & DTS
@SlackerLabs 2 жыл бұрын
I can say all my automations that change the volume on all my google speakers and chrome casts at one time (I have one that sets the volume at night and one that sets the volume in the morning) still work but it is done via Home Assistant....And in reality it is just issuing the command to each device through the api and not as a group but it happens so fast that it appears as if its a group thing. So so far this hasn't impacted my local setup. Here is hoping Google can just toss some cash to Sonos for "licensing" and it all goes away.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
You H.A. folks with your genius API calls! I love that this is a solution that can still be used today. Good job sir.
@Finns-Projects 2 жыл бұрын
I find that companies gets patents on things they should NEVER get one for. Its so sad. Just hope this gets a solution soon.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Me too Finn. Me too.
@garyprice7379 2 жыл бұрын
To be clear; No workaround at all? pffft. Pay the money for the license Google and make your tools useful. What a stupid situation.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Stated by Google as no workaround. Check the pinned comment though. Some folks are having success with it.
@garyprice7379 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife Thank you for your kind response! I was venting with my comment. Most of all, thank you for your work! I have watched your vids multiple times.
@thebigdoghimself 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, hopefully this won't mess with my Denon Heos setup.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping for ya John!
@philipperostin 2 жыл бұрын
As I mentionned earlyer, I will stick to my Yamaha's Musicast. They work great, have better sound than Sonos (I know its subjective), can be paired and multiroomed, connect fluently to Yamaha's receivers, Spotify, etc.... They only have the default of totally disappearing from time to time, but so are many other brands.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you're happy Philippe!
@JunkfoodJunction 2 жыл бұрын
I can't live like this. It feels like technology just took a huge step backwards
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
This stuff has been going on forever. It's just now hitting a smart speaker we all thought was great. :(
@JunkfoodJunction 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLifeI now understand your point about the lack of integration between Chromecast with Google TV and Nest speakers. They have to license it somehow or maybe they are working on another solution in house as you alluded
@XennialGeek 2 жыл бұрын
It is always baffling how stupid the US patent system is. They will literally patent every type of the simplest, most obvious, stuff that should never ever be worthy of patent because 3 years old can come Up with it within 1 min ...
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It does seem like a pretty wide-reaching concept to patent this time....
@MatthewN8OHU 2 жыл бұрын
Just means I'm going to avoid getting any more Google devices and stay away from Alexa and Sonos as well. There are products out there that work just fine with my home automation software of choice (Home Assistant) that do most of what I'd want from a smart speaker, and what they don't do, I can do with a Raspberry Pi or three.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
As long as you're happy :)
@DoctorVadarWho 2 жыл бұрын
The device app is not in the Apple App store
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right. I do believe one is coming. Google has 60 days from the loss of the lawsuit.
@LuisGonzalez-lm3mv 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos market cap is like 3.5billion, that’s pocket change for google
@HughD 2 жыл бұрын
Good information, as always, Brian. Nice tee shirt!!!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Hugh! It's so nice to see your comments making it through for a change. Maybe my yelling at YT Support did produce a result.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
And thanks!
@HughD 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife I think my worst "offense" in the past was maybe trying to insert a link in a comment, but I haven't done that in a long time, so I don't know what happened. There are only a handful of creators whose videos I ever comment on and don't think I've ever made a derogatory comment to any of them. Oh, well....
@FunkyELF 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't HEOS almost identical to Sonos as well?
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno! They sure sound the same ;)
@StromBugSlayer 5 ай бұрын
Time for an update about this?
@Braddeman 2 жыл бұрын
You should not be able to patent a concept and only the underlying technology. It stifles creativity.
@matthewrichards88 2 жыл бұрын
This has stopped functionality of adding chrome cast built in TVs to speaker groups (it has stopped working for me and I'm on the correct firmware) We all need to either get a refund or appeal to Google as they cannot just remove features when they have advertised them. It's not on.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It's a disaster
@gmanonDominicana Жыл бұрын
I believe the resolution was unfair considering Sonos isn't as popular as Google. They wouldn't sale so many pieces. They should have a fix fine rather than charging by every sale.
@MrRAW1968 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping Bluesound will not be effected. Is pretty premium and can't afford this.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Sonos is looking to go after everyone. :)
@skyfirefly76 2 жыл бұрын
Am I wrong, but, it seems like Sonos is patenting something super general.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda what I thought, at least today.
@DisembodiedScreams 2 жыл бұрын
Is this how Apple wins? Just saying. HomePod mini is solid and so is HomeKit. Glad I don’t use Google for music and strictly keep it just as a device to run my smart home. Great video.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno, but it's going to be wild to watch this fight go on now. I just hope it doesn't hurt the industry too much.
@NickzAndMikz 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just frustrated that Google won’t pay whatever settlement so groups can work nicely again.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Sucks to lose this feature for sure!
@NickzAndMikz 10 ай бұрын
Did you see the news?@@AutomateYourLife
@toddbush3987 2 жыл бұрын
Have already tried both Amazon and Google to create a whole home audio system. Found the marketing and voice interaction very obtrusive. Changed to Sonos one sl and in ceiling Sonos speakers and think about adding some Ikea products. Excellent functionality, sound and no creepy voice assistant. Can see why Amazon and Google would want steal that functionality in order to capitalize on their cooperate approach to making money off their subscribers for years to come.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I'll tell ya that the Ikea ones aren't the same level sound quality you're getting from those Sonos
@kokofiProductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife of course not. Sonos focuses on pure sound quality. Ikea focuses on selling a product. Amazon and Google focus on stealing patents and user information.
@andrewcbartlett 2 жыл бұрын
To act like a patent troll out of desperation because you are small and not making much money is not going to win you any new customers.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Not any of the Googlers, that's for sure.
@grantos8276 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shit this is why my paired nest mini not allowed to adjust volume Bloody hell, why can’t google just pay a fine??
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
This is the why.
@merrickbryan85 2 жыл бұрын
Well that makes it easy to never buy a Sonos product.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
The price does that on its own, no? 🤣🤣🤣
@pdmark311 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos play:5 sounds better then anything you can buy
@merrickbryan85 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife So true! I'll now go with Bose. Had two nice Nest Audio's set up paired in the living room. Lost the group setting tonight :( BLEHHHHHhhhhh!
@ronm6585 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info Brian. **I like your t-shirt. 👍🏻
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Oh thanks! I bought a bunch of new ones and this one's one of my faves
@SirThomasHarber 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, F+$k Sonos HARD. I will NEVER buy their products because of this... Unless Alphabet were to buy them. #DoIt
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder if Sonos will be bought now because of IP and was that the goal?
@highbigfella 2 жыл бұрын
Intellectual Property strikes again. Yay
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
It really sucks this time with almost all speaker technology being based on networks and synchronized playing...
@MareksDunkurs-ic7jx 10 ай бұрын
Can you make patents how to piss in the toilet? 😂
@AutomateYourLife 10 ай бұрын
I mean I could. ;)
@StevenLewisDaRealSteve 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'll treat the volumes as an equalizer
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
If you're good sir, I'm good.
@1MarkKeller 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. SMH.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
The whole thing... 🤦♂️🤦♂️
@ktm5009 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Sonos IS fairly priced. Google has alternative motives on which pair well with their lower priced hardware. Besides, Sonos has been paying several licensing fees for use of proprietary software they use, ie: Dolby digital & DTS It’s easy to point a finger here but google knows they messed up!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember saying who's speaker was fairly priced....
@mrpmj00 2 жыл бұрын
Alexa has already won the home automation. I love the newer Amazon Echo globes (4th generation) that can detect motion, which I use as a trigger to turn on/off the lights/tv for room occupancy.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@Sammo-w2y 2 жыл бұрын
Google one of the most patent litigious companies in the world protecting their inventions as they should. Why should SonoS be any different. Pay the licences to Sonos and make use of their technology. Simples that how the modern world works.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just impressed you used the word litigious in a sentence and it made sense!
@RichardSnook 2 жыл бұрын
Yep is piss me off also
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
😞😞😞
@marcinin95 13 күн бұрын
Why google just buy sonos??
@lany_07gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Great info and review as always.👍
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lany!
@damichl9684 2 жыл бұрын
now I hate Sonos
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
You're not alone. There's a few folks not too happy with the big S these days
@garethjones5068 2 жыл бұрын
My take is that if Google can implement this technology in a £30 speaker, maybe Sonos need to stop charging inflated prices on their own speakers
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
☝☝☝
@ntdnguyen85 2 жыл бұрын
This argument is flawd. This applies to so many other things in the industrial world. From your point of view, a company that spent huge amount of moneys and time to develope a technology should charge the same low price as any other company reading the patents. You are basically saying they shouldn't be allowed to recoup any r&d cost at all. Also, the premise that google's speakers are only 30$ is also flawd. Google basically subsidize their speakers to sell them cheap or giving them away because it allows google to spread their ecosystem into your lives. By putting their speakers into people's house, google is obtaining other incomes such as ads revenue, subscription fees (youtube music premium), etc. I'm not defending Sonoss action but the capitalism approach would be to let it play out. If the features/patents is truly useless and not worth the benefit then you would not miss it. Also the cost of licensing it would reflect how minor a feature it is. You can't argue that the feature doesn't warrant the high cost of licensing and also argue that it is an awesome feature that you would love to have on your google speakers.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Soooo I'd say Sonos is recouping just fine. finance.yahoo.com/quote/SONO/financials/ Not saying they shouldn't make money, but I don't think we need to feel bad for them.
@ntdnguyen85 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife I understand it suck to lose a feature which seem pretty essential. I noticed it recently too when I click on my google speaker it allow me to change my the volumw but I can't do the same to my speaker pairs because that is what in the patent but how well Sonos is doing financially should not be an argument on whether it is okay to infringe on their patent. It is like saying it is okay to rob rich people because they are well off.
@fredherbert2739 2 жыл бұрын
@@ntdnguyen85 you are right on here. I’m sorry to say but let’s not forget that google did this type of thing with the iPhone to develop the android system, and even that was a switch away from copying blackberry when they saw the winds changing. Let’s remember what google does with its hardware, and most of its services, is to use them as data collection devices. The speakers are provided at low costs to do this
@ronniegeiser8538 2 жыл бұрын
Google stole so pay or do not use. I have Sonos and one google nest. If this is so ugly Google is the bad guy who made the problem not Sonos.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I just wonder how ugly it will get for Sonos if Google wins that lawsuit now...then Sonos stole too?
@PhillyDjHook 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos wasn't in my recommendations for a very long time. And when one finally appears, it's this bad news. SMH. Google better cut Sonos a check. Before I start buying Sonos speakers, to get over this issue. I'm getting sick of Google. And my Nest thermostat is starting to act up as well. Going down to 66° when I have it set to 80° (I know, that's kind of high. What can I say? I'm black). I have to switch it to cool mode, then back to heat, when it does that, to get it to blow out hot air. Do Sonos make thermostats too? Another question 🤔, in light of this video. I went to Amazon to price the Sonos speakers. And I noticed that they say, Smart Speakers. Do they mean smart like, they have their own assistant built in? As in : Hey Sonos being the wake word. Or, do they use Google, Alexa, Bixby, or Siri? Or, they're just saying that, it's smart because, they can all connect wirelessly through Wi-Fi? I hope Google stop advertising Sonos and I hope Amazon stop selling it. How can you patent playing speakers wirelessly through a house? I thought we could do that in the 90's. And connecting through Bluetooth is a great idea. I really don't care about changing the volume to all the devices at once. One at a time is OK with me. Or, I'll put Switchbots on both ends, of all 11, of my Googles (just joking). I missed you Brian. I'm a hit that bell 🔔 🤪
@PhillyDjHook 2 жыл бұрын
Bell was already hit SMH
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love YT not telling people who want the notices! Thanks anyways Philly!
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos don't really make anything except speakers, so not gonna help there. They do have a couple of speakers that you can pick the voice assistant (Alexa/Google) on but not both at the same time and not their own!
@PhillyDjHook 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife Then problem solved. I'll get Sonos speakers with Google assistant built in.
@OntologicalQuandry 2 жыл бұрын
This may be the wrong take on this story. Google are huge and not a nice player in the market. Sonos spent years patenting and setting up their technology so for Google to steep in and rip off their work is entirely wrong. Google could pay for using the patents or countersue and use FRAND to allow use. It seems they wish to do neither and instead hurt their customers. Amazon likewise. IP must be guarded jealously becouse big companies like Google find it very difficult to innovate.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
What take is wrong? I tried to give facts and tell people how to get through it.
@OntologicalQuandry 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife This may be my mistake in my understanding of what you said (or what I heard you say) but you seemed to be complaining about the legal actions and the effect on Google products (and Amazon products soon). You may not like that Google are taking functionality out of their products as a result of this action, but it is Google's fault. They infringed and won't pay for the patents (which they could do). Google either need to pay up or show counter patent infringement which can lead to negotiations of FRAND. Google made the mistake here and are unprepared other than to remove functionality. They may restore function in future when they innovate properly. Big business, typically, is not as inventive as smaller business.
@ZsoltPapp79 2 жыл бұрын
That is so like from Apple-s book.... :(
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
:(
@jacielespinosa-severo7134 2 жыл бұрын
Now I don't like Sonos! They should have towards amazon first
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Google agrees with you Jaciel!
@edrosiak 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I wouldn't doubt that Google and Amazon infringed on patents. Once companies become huge, that seems to happen. Take Apple suing Samsung, who did in fact steal Apple technology. I would focus my anger on Google or Amazon, not the patent holder.
@TrickyTree84 2 жыл бұрын
But Amazon is the market leader and gets with it. They are benefiting from this
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm angry at both. Work it out so consumers can continue to buy what they want please.
@kokofiProductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@AutomateYourLife how about you don't support corporate theft?
@bradpattenden4847 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing I just bought 10+ nest audio speakers for my home what a joke
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
😥
@gedgicat2063 2 жыл бұрын
Shocking, I've brought into the Google ethos based on these features and now their being striped away 😞. Your not saying I should have backed apple 😭 or Sonos them selves....
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
So many bought based on that. Google needs to message better if they're going to fix it.
@bobwarfield9567 2 жыл бұрын
You think this is bad, wait until Amazon or Google buys Sonos. It's a publicly-traded company. Given one of those two gorillas full control over that patent portfolio could almost put the other out of the Home Automation business. That won't happen if the patents aren't bulletproof, but it's very high stakes. Oh and BTW, every logical interpretation of the patents or the law goes out the window. I've been in high stakes patent litigation and I've dealt with patent trolls. It's a total travesty of justice.
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
This is just a plain old scary statement Bob. Glad I've never been in the room for this stuff. It frustrates me to no end when business doesn't follow logic
@houstonshomeautomation3524 2 жыл бұрын
Shit. Shit. Shit. I remember reading this a copule days ago. I'm all for the little guy standing up for himself but it's things like this that can break our small smart home industry..... it's like Ford saying it panted the piston so No one else can make engines ! I just found a nest audio for $50 bucks too.... As for the Bluetooth workaround , they'd probably hafta upgrade Bluetooth itself v.5.5 right? For data throughput? I multicast 10 speakers and 5 chromecasts with music all at the same time and my 150 mbps internet was super laggy . Silver lining, it could open the door for lesser smart speakers to rise 😀 bring on josh.ai and galaxy home ! 😆 🤣
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Bluetooth seems to allow volume control when paired these days, so I don't think they need to upgrade Bluetooth from today. Just need to send it in little bursts I think.
@rolandkloka 2 жыл бұрын
Sonos has a market cap of 3 Billion. This is 6 days of revenue for Google. Google could then sue Amazon and Apple
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Google should hire you to advise. This does seem like a good way forward to hurt Amazon's market share.
@ramnik.khanna 2 жыл бұрын
Why's Google not paying Sonos the license fees for the patent now, instead of inconveniencing the Goggle Smart Speaker users? #PAYSONOS
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
We can hope this gets resolved in our favor... :(
@jonathanpruitt7393 2 жыл бұрын
Great question
@gregr5 2 жыл бұрын
First world problems. Google can just pay a licensing fee for the tech they stole. They are intentionally making it painful for consumers to drive sentiment in their favor. They can solve this easily. It is not the consumers problem. Buy something else.
@ramnik.khanna 2 жыл бұрын
#PAYSONOS......
@AutomateYourLife 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh I don't think this is helping the brand...I feel like it's a major impact to their name
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