The State of Counter-Strike / The Future of m0NESY

The State of Counter-Strike / The Future of m0NESY - Counter-Points S2E21 ft SPUNJ

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Thorin and Maniac are joined by caster Chad "SPUNJ" Burchill to discuss the state of Counter-strike esports, roster moves at G2, why Team Spirit could be the best team in the world, the potential for superstar players to play with each other on the same team, ZywOo continuing to choke, whether NAVI made a mistake in keeping their lineup together, and more.
This episode was recorded before the announcement of HooXi being benched by G2.
Counter-Points is the thinking fan's Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez.
This video was recorded on the 1st of July, 2024.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:03:25 - The new CS landscape
0:07:51 - G2 + m0NESY and donk
0:24:20 - Friendship between superstars
0:37:31 - ZywOo
0:47:37 - w0nderful
0:54:51 - NAVI
1:07:20 - MOUZ
1:24:28 - Team Liquid
1:31:01 - Ring culture in CS + B1ad3
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@dp6036 Ай бұрын

It's almost like thorin invited spunj just to interrupt him every 15 seconds

@1m_sophie Ай бұрын

@@dp6036 XDDDD

@mxt77 Ай бұрын

Thorin interrupting mid sentence is my favourite part of the show

@KeefeL Ай бұрын

I have a really bad problem with this (spectrum issues)... but he's just as bad, or worse!

@RikitoG Ай бұрын

I feel like it was more than any other episode, normally it is not that bad

@trocoplaytv1254 Ай бұрын

As someone who struggles with this, I'm personally way worse with interrupting when I'm enjoying the conversation. I'm just super into it and get overexcited and cut people off because I'm really enjoying the conversation. So try not to take it as thorin devaluing other opinions, as I do it most often specifically when I'm having interesting conversations. I think he simply was very into the conversation and therefor had alot to add to it.

@Chexsum Ай бұрын

the best bit is the joke that we dont know

@daansmits8345 Ай бұрын

@@Chexsum That is fire bro 🔥

@jordankissinger1 Ай бұрын

I love Thorin, but man, he can be a professional yapper at some points 😂

@N00btr00per Ай бұрын

well... he IS a professional yapper

@bigmoneybusiness5989 Ай бұрын

literally his job

@everything-has-a-handle-now Ай бұрын

The hooxi timing with this episode 8/8

@allmite Ай бұрын

maybe that will teach the old fart to upload his vids sooner, while they are still relevant

@davidnewberry9861 Ай бұрын

@@allmite If you weren't an idiot and could read a description, you would see that they recorded this yesterday before the Hooxi news dropped. The "old fart" lives rent free in your head mate.

@scouthatesrainbows Ай бұрын

@@allmite"This video was recorded on the 1st of July, 2024" Are you just expecting this guy to be a soul reader the news literally dropped the same day lmao

@oddkast Ай бұрын

at least we get to hear a certain serbian coach go bananas over this hooxi news

@skittlesindadum1625 Ай бұрын

I genuinely dont understand why people dislike Spunj. Ive been watching CS a long time and hes in my top 3 talent. The dude bleeds the game, gives great insight, I enjoy his casting with Machine, and his rants involving "we are killing our game" are some of the best in esports. Truly one of a kind.

@JBatesProductions Ай бұрын

Spunj sometimes gives passionate takes which can be seen as out of line. He also makes bold predictions sometimes. But yeah, he's my favourite analyst/caster and one of my favourite people in the scene in general. He's top tier.

@theboon13 Ай бұрын

I don't know what the general community sentiment about Spunj is, but in Richard Lewis' community people have been banging on him for taking the Saudi bag (like everyone else) and avoiding Richard Lewis at the EPL where CS2 got announced so no-one would think he was the one who talked. All a bit silly, Richard has said as much after patching things up with him at the Major.

@dari191 Ай бұрын

Holy fuck with Spunj as a guest? Lets go. Thanks for the always good content

@paradoxofgodexisting Ай бұрын

I never liked that guy, i much prefer hot take episodes with Kassad and Maui :D

@MyFluXx Ай бұрын

“that guy” sounds so dismissive 😂 what did spunj do to you

@leevin7546 Ай бұрын

@@paradoxofgodexistingBro likes Kassad XD

@quinshore Ай бұрын

@@leevin7546tbf kassad can be so psychotic that it makes it funny as fuck, especially for a hot take show

@leevin7546 Ай бұрын

@@quinshore Fair but above all he's a manchild and a meathead

@daansmits8345 Ай бұрын

Maniac: "If they had our teamspeak from back in the day, it would be over!" 😂 Fking hilarious man.

@MusicJunkie37 Ай бұрын

47:14 I love the ohne impressions so much

@john-hanner Ай бұрын

DONA ARE YOU THERE

@everything-has-a-handle-now Ай бұрын

With how many great cs shows there are atm it really fills the gap BTN left

@ItsAmirGh Ай бұрын

the charm of richard lewis is not replacable but i agree this one has to be closes to that old feeling of BTN

@EXiLExJD Ай бұрын

@@ItsAmirGh Richard Lewis and charm in the same sentence? 😂

@nightfire_CSGO Ай бұрын

@@EXiLExJD if you weren’t around for the whole run of BTN it’s ok, it was a while ago.

@mckinleyostvig7135 Ай бұрын

Yes he's the best podcast host in the history of esports @@EXiLExJD

@nofluffagain Ай бұрын

@@EXiLExJDcharm is a perfect way to describe it. One of his most notable qualities imo

@heseltime Ай бұрын

Underrated great coach in CS rn is maaRaa for the mongolz, what he has done along with bLitz has to be in the conversation in some of the most impressive work in CS for sure.

@KerplunkTM Ай бұрын

can people stop saying device already succeeded as IGL, he didn't win anything... and best result was at a post major tournament for which other teams didn't prep or care much about, while astralis prepared for a month

@infjdub Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ, thorin. Can you go two seconds without interrupting people 😅?

@nightfire_CSGO Ай бұрын

Thorin’s ohne impression 💯

@MrMatom55 Ай бұрын

First guest of the new iteration of Counter-points, looking forward to it!

@MrMatom55 Ай бұрын

Oh, there was YNk on before, mb

@cristoforcasto2400 Ай бұрын

LOL the narratives after about 26:00 had me guttural laughing out my open window into the parking lot

@atahannd.9937 Ай бұрын

zywoo and s1mple on a team vs donk and monesy on a team would be the most incredible timeline to live in.

@lulkaku Ай бұрын

spunj thorin and maniac. crazy trio.

@Aegon23 Ай бұрын

RIP HOOXI. We need a new eps right away talking about it.

@mckinleyostvig7135 Ай бұрын

More like THANK GOD HOOXI stopped holding good players hostage

@Aegon23 Ай бұрын

@@mckinleyostvig7135 I'm also for it, but nevertheless it is sad a man lost his job. Like him or not.

@schmeed0000 Ай бұрын

i expected this one to be it... massive timing L

@glaakee Ай бұрын

@@Aegon23 No way I could ever be sad about someone who played for two years with two of the best players ever and collected big paychecks the whole time. It is a chance of a lifetime and is a well-paid tenure. That is the nature of a sport. It is not a regular joe who lost his job. Nothing can take those memories away from him.

@Mathieu_soDjo Ай бұрын

let them talk :'(

@brajjko Ай бұрын

made my day just saying this video come up on my feed

@malooft Ай бұрын

What a great episode, we NEED Spunj in the scene, he bleeds CS and is a true fan of the game.

@Isitar Ай бұрын

Still best CS show around, hands down, thx for another great vid. Love the analogy to NBA, and the being friends angle.

@Elias_a95 Ай бұрын

Great episode!!! More guests please!

@kapsize_8251 26 күн бұрын

26:52 now we know what Maniac's fanfiction would look like

@gillidk Ай бұрын

This trio at the major desk... wow

@elizabethmurigi1131 28 күн бұрын

I miss Thorin and Spunj on the desk

@robertpopovici1495 Ай бұрын

English is not my first language, its so hard for me to fully understand Thorin. Am i the only one?

@ritzhaupt2386 Ай бұрын

If you’re also watching the video then turn CC (subtitles) on. The KZfaq AI usually gets it mostly right - seeing the words alongside the audio helps a lot in piecing it together. English is my first language so I can’t say it will definitely help you with this channel but I think it’s worth trying.

@robertpopovici1495 Ай бұрын

@@ritzhaupt2386 thanks!!

@bz0rrr 28 күн бұрын

I've been speaking English my entire life and it's not easy-- don't worry haha

@atIas-hugged Ай бұрын

Big fan of the discussion, as always. Maniac and Spunj are two of the best in the business. Thorin was on the mark as well, nothing new there. His passion for the sport always comes through. I think there were a good few instances though where Chad could have been allowed to finish the point he was trying to make. Thorin is usually a gracious host, and often re-prompts his guests to continue their trains of thought, but it'd be nice if they could just finish first. Though I'm the first to understand, zoom calls make "natural" sort of discussion harder. This aint a fuckin yelp review tho. Good stuff as usual.

@enigmabis. Ай бұрын

The email spunj got about the malb buyout leak was 100% correct

@rooneygasparpinto3342 25 күн бұрын

Fire show and spunj comment about JL was spot on.

@72hrs_vermithor Ай бұрын

Perfect timing - let’s goo

@jadedaim Ай бұрын

the ohne impression made my day

@MusicJunkie37 Ай бұрын

I enjoy guests for this show personally

@l3v886 Ай бұрын

Great content as always

@lucko1111 Ай бұрын

Finally spunj and thorin

@RobCooper-Bachatador Ай бұрын

ZywOo being a team player is the reason I like his game so much. However the fact m0NESY is a team player and can take over games is next level. Note: There is a reason NAF is my favourite player, because he does whatever the team needs to win.

@schmeed0000 Ай бұрын

imagine recording this before hooxi is benched

@aleyzr Ай бұрын

Spunj is just the greatest

@Creamouz Ай бұрын

I deadass thought he was kassad from looking at the thumbnail x)

@joseblua6566 Ай бұрын

He is kassad, what are you trying to say?

@Vlipper2009 29 күн бұрын

I just want to point out that I suggested the niko navi move to replace IM at Counter-Points S2E14

@goozithegreat Ай бұрын

Niko to Navi idea was so good it should be on hot take point made.

@SenWithA3 Ай бұрын

At 1:35:00 one big reason I think of that seems trivial but really could be in a player's head is you have the in game trophy you can display on your cs profile in game. So JL getting that and an MVP is like yeah why try so hard anymore, I have the proof that puts me as #1 and can show it any time. It may be a while before that fades and the competitive hunger comes back.

@pinkocean310 Ай бұрын

12:40 The tale of igl scapegoats continue

@ArchonsGame Ай бұрын

+ Spunj as perma guest

@xachu Ай бұрын

That jL and the first (or one of the first) event won being the Major gives me a kjaerbye vibes - it might have come too soon in that regard

@Martin-zn5hk Ай бұрын

who is a more valuable player, the one that wins you the trophy/cash, or the one that carries your team to the final and then disappears, leaving you with no trophy and consolation cash?

@SenWithA3 Ай бұрын

Getting to a final is so hard I'd rather have a player carry all the way there and hope one of us just has a good series or even just game

@adr0it Ай бұрын

a bit unfortunate that this was recorded right before the hooxi move

@namas000 Ай бұрын

Sugar..... Spice..... and everything nice... = The Powerpuff Girls

@justbasic314 26 күн бұрын

11:30 when glaive joined ence and they all left

@justbasic314 26 күн бұрын

true

@KakashiTaichou Ай бұрын

SPUNJ? A surprise but a welcome one at that! Hopefully he doesn't go on a tangent about his schedule and everyday mundane tasks

@skaddyvenom7613 Ай бұрын

Bang🎉

@piolovespunk182 Ай бұрын

Stop interrupting people. Couldn't make it through 15 minutes let alone 2 hours. God knows you're going to get your yammering in. Give other people space to talk.

@bomsta1433 Ай бұрын

@Jmvars Ай бұрын

He's also so much louder than everyone else, it's painful to listen to.

@mehow2g Ай бұрын

Some of best in here, Keep it up Chad.

@OriginalRaveParty Ай бұрын

This episode was sponsored by Sure.

@stayhome4626 Ай бұрын

Monesy himself said he doesn't want to play with donk , he wants to play against him

@Hornnnnnn Ай бұрын

Is donk gonna turn up on map 2?

@evolvedHE Ай бұрын

SPUNJJJJJJJ

@j11889 Ай бұрын

imagine donk and m0nesey play together but put a kennyS and shox by waiting until they're both mid-late 20s

@c0stie34 Ай бұрын

i just need jks on liquid or g2 and i be happy frfr

@luckstur Ай бұрын

@drivenbymadness1085 Ай бұрын

zywoo+simple vs donk+monesy :D imagine that

@EntrEsprit Ай бұрын

I don't think Niko would go to Navi if monesy leaves g2. They have different playstyle, team environment, and there's an igl with whom they didn't seem to find common ground. Plus he doesn't strike me as a guy who'd make a risk like this, even if it meant he wins more trophies.

@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS Ай бұрын

maniac spitting about w0nderful

@sentryion3106 Ай бұрын

Bit, monesy, electronic, perfecto, boombl4 … wait this is just navi with a less radioactive awper.

@clean4011 Ай бұрын

CHOPPER INSTEAD of boombla now thats a s tier team

@KeefeL Ай бұрын

Can't tell if the sassy ass tut is new or not

@EqualizerLNF Ай бұрын

Blade is a great coach but a horrible GM. Just get a ruthless cutthroat GM in there and NAVI is good to cook.

@mckinleyostvig7135 Ай бұрын

He was pretty good when he was allowed to sign Russian players...

@heatedgamermoment Ай бұрын

-iM +NAF

@KemonoFriendsOfficial Ай бұрын

Funny how everyone agrees with Loba now but nobody will apologize to him for being an asshole when he said "CS2 isn't ready"

@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mr Ай бұрын

Loba is regarded. Broken clock situation.

@oninada Ай бұрын

Loba is a clown.

@nofluffagain Ай бұрын

Funny how Loba fans expose themselves as a melt immediately any chance they get

@ninjablanket56 Ай бұрын

Niko and Monesy to liquid

@heavyflamerheresy2581 25 күн бұрын

Dosent Naf speak french

@hkmj8261 Ай бұрын

There two Thorin?!

@dogo_cascara2138 Ай бұрын

Maniac asleep after half a demo from zywoo 😴😴😴

@blink2665 Ай бұрын

Wanna to watch, but Seems like old news

@peepopoo4387 Ай бұрын

Old news? It was recorded yesterday.

@blink2665 Ай бұрын

@@peepopoo4387 Hooxie is out by now

@mranderson3441 Ай бұрын

I hate to listen to Thorin as he speaks as if a bunch of dogs are chasing him, and he has to speak as fast as he can. Jumping from one topic to another so fast makes all his talk seem irrelevant.

@poison812 Ай бұрын

Chads always hated aleksib

@Skalinx Ай бұрын

they kicked hooxi btw

@TopOnTops Ай бұрын

L lol, never separate sh1ro and donk And Niko And mOnesy

@ThePaull3d Ай бұрын

thorin, when you just add stuff like "true" or "sure" just say it in your head, it is really irritating

@thelast1090 26 күн бұрын

Yeah as if he will change his ways for you 😂😂😂

@ThePaull3d 26 күн бұрын

@@thelast1090 just stating my thoughts, i dont care what he does or does not but the podcast is literally for the audience and maybe people agree with me, maybe not. who knows

@sativasama Ай бұрын

First time watching this show. Thorin guy talks fast af, loud af, and interrupts all the time. Couldn’t even make it to the end of the episode cause it was too annoying. L