WOW! You guys sure had a lot to say about these uniforms - and the US Army's UCP pattern too! In fact, there was so much interesting information in the comments section that I'm making a follow-up video on this topic! Be sure to subscribe to be notified when it comes out! (Hopefully, in a week or two...)

HOLY SHIT! I am in this video! 5:11 That right there is footage from the ceremony where the infantry battalion of duke Margiris received its battle flag in the city of Šiauliai. 5:23 is the actual squad that I served with and I recognize most guys in that formation. This hit me right in the nostalgia with the force of a semitruck at full speed. Side note: at the time I served, only the professional soldiers wore the "white" uniforms while conscripts still wore the "green" ones and the common consensus was that the "white" uniforms stood out in the forests far too much and were disliked for it.

Fun fact: The old green uniforms are still very respected by Lithuanian military. Sniper guys usually still use it as it is very good for nature environment. Peaces of the green uniform is used to mask P2000 howitzers also.

UCP was a 5billion joke, we called it Lunar camo.

When I served in Lithiuanian military we still used the "eglute" (evergreen) older pattern. It brings level of nostalgia. Makes me feel old lol. When I joined US army we already transitioned to OCP but some of the gear issued was still UCP. Such as my IOTV armor vest and some wet weather gear. I looked outdated. I miss the G36 to be honest. Thanks for your service my man.

Respect from Liberty Ukraine!!! Вітання та Повага Вам,Шановні Литовські Друзі!!

Cam patterns are interesting. So is how different countries approach and solve problems. Interesting as ever!

One thing I dislike about this uniform is if you wash it incorrectly a few times, it loses coloring and soon starts looking "worn down" even if the material it self is still in pristine condition.

It's always nice to hear your personal thoughts based on your experience in Canadian military 👍

"raštas" - pattern of the fabric (can also mean writing, text). ☺️

I'm from lithuania and this is the first time for me to stumble over this channel, it's fun to see some lithuania content here

When it came out I hated it and wanted the old one back, but it grew on me and now I like it

Good video bro, good information keep up dude ❤

Keep it up Brother ❤

Cool uniforms! Marginimas refers to Easter egg painting as well. Can we call a person in Camo margutis? Easter is coming!😁

At 05:59 at the magazine´s index, the picture at the bottton left, shows a US service man testing one of the first Stinger MANPAD back in the late 70´s or early 80´s. You can even see the old and trusty M1 helmet. Funny how they included that picture when they have their own.

Once again I learn what's happening in Lithuania from your channel. I've seen few soldiers with unseen uniforms and thought they are foreigners. But they were driving vehicles with LT plates. That explains a lot.

Cool to know you served in the military. Definitely have more respect for you.

Awesome video!😊👍💪

On the dark green uniforms there was definitelly double cross. Hint - it was bicolor.

Most of soldiers still prefer to use old camo if they could (sadly only reservist get ones, then going to training for 3 weeks), because of a bad new patern light color shade in forest terrain (wich is 35% of our terrain)

I joined the US army in January of 1980, we wore what we jokingly called the pickle suit, solid green. We eventually went to camo. I have an apenflage uniform, I really like the color and pattern. ✌️

Great video mans

Efficiency is a must when you have limited resources, US can allow itself to spend that kind of money while Lithuania and other Baltic countries cannot

I had an opportunity to see Lithuanians wearing that uniform in city, yet I found it not too effective. I dont know if the uniforms were faded or not, but the print had too little contrast in a pattern and from longer dostanie they looked like one colour. I actually enjoyed precious M05 Miško pattern more and found it more effective in green environements.

I don't think the US spent $5 billion developing that pattern. I find that number referenced everywhere, even the Smithsonian wrote an article about it. But no article I ran across points back to a military source. I suspect that 5 billion dollars includes the production as well as the development. I think your example of small country small problem, big country big problem is very appropriate. The US is going to be everywhere and doing everything, so they tried to over-engineer something that really didn't need to be . Lithuania not so much.

I like good old M05 Miško personally

Šiaip geras kamufliažas, išskyrus žiemą. Kaip mano vokiečių aviganis rudai juodas, kai atsigula nematyti :D

Marginimas is action doing pattern or drawing this word i hear being used more by kids Marginti piešini - Coloring sketch or similar to that and i am not sure if we have direct word to print on clothes and for Pattern maybe Raštas would fit more

"Marginimas" basically means painting with multiple colors. Like painting an egg for easter celebration. I haven't heard the word "marginimas" in a military context.

Everyone is switching to a variant of Multicam, even the Russian, which means it’s going to become almost impossible to tell friend from Foe, unless you wear bright blue tape which makes the camo uniform redundant

Larger population, and larger military and land mass = mo money

Lithuania Rifleman Union seems to prefer woodland camo and I am not aware about plans to switch to universal one. I guess preferences are elsewhere.

Best one was the 40 to 45 version...Still available on special memorial days..

Now I have two favourites. ESTDCU and Lithuanian UCP

I tried to buy some camouflage trousers but couldn’t find any 😬

5:47 That's Latvian soldier in Latvian M16 Multi-LatPat Camouflage

I'd love to know why Au wanted to phase out their Auscam pattern ?

There is a very good reason why Us marines wear woodland and desert patterns .... cuz it works !! xD

Marginimas stands more closer to something thats being painted with multiple colors, like an Easter egg ^^

marginimas normally means drawing some pattern in different colours so yeah

The only place the UCP worked was coyote hunting in an area that had a good amount of sage brush.

The only reason UCP got adopted was because people thought it “looked cool and modern”. It was just a gray copy of MARPAT, itself a modification of CADPAT. The crazy thing is that Scorpion, which would later evolve into OCP, was created in these initial trials. We could’ve transitioned from M81 to OCPs, but we had to waste billions on UCP and now Nat Guard units are still occasionally stuck using equipment that doesn’t blend in whatsoever.

As long as it somewhat connected to Lithuania, it is interesting for me ❤ Dėkui

They should focus on forest woodland and urban instead of desert, because how many times do they even fought in one that makes it so important for them to include

Better to have specific use design in any thing

marginimas also fits means painting of eggs durring easter, nice fit for a word.

Since there is no picture of Zydrunas Savickas in the new uniform I still consider the old one superior!

one camo for home defense, adapted for leaf/pinewood/mixed boreal forests/tan steppes like you see in Ukraine. the same but with desert colours (in a smaller quantity for national aid work for smaller countries, i.e not UK, France, USA) one for tropical countries if you're a larger country with a wide military presence. Why would smaller european countries with minimal international presence make their uniforms to kind of fit in afghanistan, rather than just make a desert version in a smaller quantity?

yea we call the new uniform balta misraine uniform :D

Well checked over my uniform, and I dont see any symbolics hidden in the pattern. Maybe im just blind. Who knows.

We used to call UCP "rebel grey". Of course, all of us who had to wear it were well aware of the fact that it was chosen because someone knew someone, and that it had beaten OCP because of that. The general who made the call to adopt UCP should have to pay the 5 billion bucks back. I held off wearing it for as long as I possibly could, since I was lent to a Marine Corps unit that let me wear whatever I wanted. I wore civvies or 3 color desert, sterile. Fun fact: When you're wearing sterile uniforms, the amount of E4 mafia shit you can get away with is unbelievable.

Wait! You make is sound as if the $5 Billion was wasted. It was not because the troops wore the UCP for 15 years. Whatever uniform they design worn, that money would have been spent. The 5B included both development and issuing to the troops. What was wasted was the Army's "development" cost for the UCP. - The USMC did a much better job developing their camo for a lot less development money and with much more success. A trip to a Home Depot paints department was involved.

The Lithuanian camo looks too bright though, should have follow the Latvian example where they went from "universal" approach (LATPAT) to a more woodland dominant camo (the new WOODLATPAT with its unique triangular pattern) .. but at least it doesn't cost too much.

5:45 Was that a m240 firing shotgun shells ???

Good job at explaining Lithuania lol. As a Lithuanian, I approve

One size fits all, translates into one size fits nobody. It's the same thing with universal camouflage. Doesn't blend in well in any environment.

My problem with universal uniforms is they usualy try to do too many things at the same time and because of that they fail at most of them. I'm gald to see a case it actually worked out.

I will save any army that wants endless bucks by giving them the famous 'duck hunter' pattern free forever.

HA! I only knew about how ineffective out camo was when I watched the HOI video a while back -- aaaaannnnnddddd, you referenced that video, lol, but it is interesting how much of a failure our pattern is

knowing that incase of an open conflict, with something like Russia the open field battles for Lithuanian military would be imposible to sustain, and they would be forced into a guerilla war which the dark forest uniforms are better suited for, as most of the fighting would be in foresty areas esmecialy around the border with Belerus and Poland where there is a lot of pine forests.

wait what? How the fuck in the world making this pattern or any pattern in general can cost 5b

Things I never learned while I was in.

The UK version of a single pattern seems to have worked well enough. But there are wider questions about how long it lasts.

Lithuania 👍👍👍

To me, this parttern looks like a cross between flektarn and Austrailia's old camo pattern. But good on Lithuania for developing their own pattern and not simply adopting some form of Multicam like just about every other Western military has. And regarding UCP, it did work. But only on floral couches and gravel pits.

Lithuanian “marga višta”, “margutė”, English “speckled hen” 😄

imo ucp is good during night time operations where enemies are using old gen night vision like russia and china

quite literally UCP-D, why didn't the Army just use it

super cool video, can u please do another one? Estonia has nice camo, and i took part of devopling it. its very similar to canadian one but is more effective. :P

I really dont like new lithuanian camo... those green was way prettier... i loved green color...

The reason why things are super over the top expensive for the US military is because private sector knows that US military can pay A LOT! I watched a documentary about US military, purchases officers where saying that a regular electric cables that cost 20$ to buy would be sold for the army for 400$ just because they can! I bet you that the 800 bill usd defense budget hit that number not because it reflects how good and unique those the equipments are but just because the private sector can and wants!

The US military industrial complex suffers from several factors that make it far less efficient and expensive. First the an ingrained bureaucracy that all government bodies including the military have to jump hoops through to satisfy legal and contractual obligations. There's many layers and hands that need to be greased along the way shedding money left and right to do so. Another factor is the need to spend the whole budget and request more every year, there is no benefit to spending less, as that could cause a lowering of the budget next year. A third factor is that governments and their institutions that are funded by taxes do not spend their own money. The attitudes towards budgeting differs greatly depending on the relationship of the money to the spender and the purpose of the spending. For e.g. People are most conservative about spending their own money for themselves. They are the less concerned about spending someone else's money on themselves. More concerned spending their own money on others, and least concerned about spending other people's money on others. These institutions almost always have the latter relationship with its budget and therefore have the least concern about the cost, the quality and to whom the spending benefits as its neither their money nor for their direct benefit. Lithuania doesn't have this much baggage inside its institutions (yet) and so is able to produce a new uniform on such a tiny budget. At least that's my guess in the discrepancies aside from the fact that these budgets might not be accounting the same bills (research alone vs R&D and production costs).

maybe 3 grand isnt enough to actually test something...

you need to work with your audio, try to maintain one position of microphone when you are talking at first. if you want help wih audio, i can help you for free

France tried too with the New BME pattern, not convinced.

Looks like german multitarn used by the special forces...

5 billions spent on manufacturing new gear (pouches, backpacks, boots) but not the pattern development I belive. Is this new pattern on the actual footage? It stand out through out your video in almost every environment... Maybe those uniforms are worn and faded but it doesn't look like it offers a macro pattern at all... soldiers looks like lightly coloured blobs instead of blending on the surroundings... Micro pattern is hard to guess either...

It's basically Parkinson's Law, but for money instead of time.

ngl it looks like blurry Ukrainian MM14 with some note of MultiCam

UCP would have been perfect camo, assuming all combat took place in the southeast portion of Oregon between Bend and Burns going west to east, and Paulina and Valley Falls north to south.

"marginimas" fit more for easter egg painting :D "raštas" is better for describing camo pattern in lithuanian. Also thx for good content.

I mean, weird to try and say this is an accomplishment over the US Military, when the entirety of the Lithuanian makes up roughly two US Army divisions alone. Of course it costs us more to field new equipment, regardless, I respect the Lithuanian army, and they're quite professional but surely you have to realize the 'scale', you're comparing an army that is roughly 1% the size of the United States army alone, not including the other branches.

Thanks, but I'll keep my old U.S. Navy blue dungarees. ( LOL )

Everybody knows that the American defense budget is way over-blown, but given the US armed forces' personnel is almost as large as the entire Lithuanian population, the comparison in the thumbnail is a little unfair.

why does everyone hate ucp so much. Tbh ucp is good only for ng since they are in urban areas

I hadn't heard of it, but despie it not looking bad I'm skeptical of all-terrain or multi-terrain patterns. Not that I don't see the use for them in environments like Afghanistan where you had arid and wooded areas close by, side-by-side, where troops were constantly moving between the two. But any universal pattern will always be inferior to a dedicated one.

"Marginimas" is the perfect word to explain patern.

Its hardly comparable. Obviously a uniform what requires r and d is going to cost more than just buying a camo pattrn and uniform thats already had r and d done by some one else their not comparable

There is nothing new under the sun. With military contracts, it’s called “milking it”.

and then in case of war, they put blue tape around their helmets, arms, legs, weapons etc (3:32)

If ucp was slightly green or tan it would be much more effective

Naah, multicam in our forests is ineffective af, talkin from experience...

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the new camo isnt better at all. Nobody really liked it, unless going on a deployment. It is too bright and the pattern and colors wash out really quickly.

I hate universal camos so much they are awful.

America "wastes" money, but there is something called inventors tax. You spend way more effort and money figuring something out for the first time.

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KASP got new uniforms in 2020. When you go out for training in forests you can see that grey pilliar walking from faaaar away. Worst decision ever. You had to crawl throu mud for them to actually work. 🤣

Soon all of nato countries will have multicam camo