THE Suicide Squad's Missing Moment

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2 жыл бұрын

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James Gunn's THE Suicide Squad was a TRIP! I loved it. But I couldn't help but think that it was missing something.
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@e.j.leonard2379
@e.j.leonard2379 2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else have that "Oh shit, Waller really is a monster" moment when they realized the reason she wanted to "Turn Bloodsport into a leader" was connected to the plan of team 1 being cannon fodder? Not just that she needed a leader plausible leader for each team but that she specifically decided that Flag was expendable and Bloodsport would be her preferred field leader going forward (similar skill set and experience, but that Flag's more developed moral compass made him harder to control). On top of this she almost certainly knew the people who had `captured Flag' that she sent squad 2 to `rescue him' from, were rebels and not actually a threat to Flag. What she was really worried about was the idea that if Flag worked with the rebels they might get hold of the information she wanted covered up, so `rescuing him' was more about getting him back under her control. So nasty.
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
¿?
@kalechip9074
@kalechip9074 2 жыл бұрын
Hood observations, man I’m really glad she got decimated with a pipe
@mercury2157
@mercury2157 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalechip9074 it was a golf club. she got joel'd jokes aside though I can almost guarantee she gets her comeuppance and totally doesn't survive darkseid's invasion
@kalechip9074
@kalechip9074 2 жыл бұрын
@@mercury2157 why did you have to save joel’d, I was absolutely blindsided by thst
@gedeonnunes5626
@gedeonnunes5626 2 жыл бұрын
I loved Waller in this film! I mean, I loved to hate her. The last one seemed too interested in making her a badass girl boss, when she's just a horrible person.
@jojo-ow3tc
@jojo-ow3tc 2 жыл бұрын
Starro’s line gave him quite a character, “i was happily floating, looking at the stars”
@gamerdweebentertainment1616
@gamerdweebentertainment1616 2 жыл бұрын
"Did you really just make me feel bad for an alien starfish with single line" Yes... I bet everyone felt that....
@GustavoRubio
@GustavoRubio 2 жыл бұрын
Happy*
@TheGoddon
@TheGoddon 2 жыл бұрын
No
@TheGoddon
@TheGoddon 2 жыл бұрын
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 Not Me.
@4YrStasis
@4YrStasis 2 жыл бұрын
Not "this city is mine"? Which was unexpected from an alien starfish?
@redgiant7747
@redgiant7747 2 жыл бұрын
One small change to this one small change: add Milton. Have Milton fight Polkadot man.
@tam2237
@tam2237 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@tam2237
@tam2237 2 жыл бұрын
And have him be the one that is too stubborn to be taken out by him
@destinyhntr
@destinyhntr 2 жыл бұрын
You monster XD
@Myr642
@Myr642 2 жыл бұрын
And he’s the only one polka dot man can’t picture as his mother no matter how hard he tries!
@djitidjiti6703
@djitidjiti6703 2 жыл бұрын
A much better suggestion than the video
@ChrisKnowles1170
@ChrisKnowles1170 2 жыл бұрын
The best part of the costuming, imo, was that Thinker had fewer bolts in the flashback
@DoctorCyan
@DoctorCyan 2 жыл бұрын
I also loved that detail!
@adhirg
@adhirg 2 жыл бұрын
yup! we knew the flashback took place in the past because he had fewer doodads in his head lol!
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 2 жыл бұрын
It’s such a small detail that I love
@Coolsomeone234
@Coolsomeone234 2 жыл бұрын
That was cool
@lorde_spooky
@lorde_spooky 2 жыл бұрын
Suicide squad seventeen, the tinkerer is back and his head is so covered in bolts that you literally can't see Peter capaldi anymore
@nonspiderweb
@nonspiderweb 2 жыл бұрын
4:07 Because they freed him and Starro's anger was at the Corto Maltesians. He left them off with a warning.
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 2 жыл бұрын
OOoh that's a good point
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 2 жыл бұрын
@@NandovMovies the Thinker was kinda wasted don’t ya think?
@thespectaculargamernerd8114
@thespectaculargamernerd8114 2 жыл бұрын
@@srstriker6420 Change out Thinker with a generic evil scientist. What really changes?
@thespectaculargamernerd8114
@thespectaculargamernerd8114 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't their mission to take down project starfish and get the drive? Starro was dragged into this by American astronauts. Would make more sense he's just lashing out at everybody after 30 years in trapped.
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 2 жыл бұрын
@@thespectaculargamernerd8114 well he is supposed to be the fastest mind alive
@ladydimitrescu4746
@ladydimitrescu4746 2 жыл бұрын
The thing about Starro is that he's not actually a conqueror. He said "I was happy floating among the stars" he's a victim of the U.S. Government's experiments and Thinker's torture. He doesn't see the Squad as enemies, cause they're the ones that freed him.
@BizzarosGarden
@BizzarosGarden 2 жыл бұрын
Its not a bad change, but I think adding the detail of "if a mini Starro attaches itself to your face, you are pretty much dead and not coming back" makes him so much more terrifying. Like how in zombie movies, whenever people have turned or are about to turn the rest of the group knows it's too late they are never coming back. Plus if DC/WB wants to do a movie about a villan mind controlling various heroes to fight eachother, they could always use Gorilla Grodd, Mr Mind and other Villians with similar powers
@theheretic3764
@theheretic3764 2 жыл бұрын
They did say that in the movie though. Remember when the thinker said “they are corpses under those stars“
@BizzarosGarden
@BizzarosGarden 2 жыл бұрын
@@theheretic3764 I do remember, this whole post was me liking that concept the movie does for Starro
@theheretic3764
@theheretic3764 2 жыл бұрын
@@BizzarosGarden oh I see….so I’M the asshole here….
@tomleonard830
@tomleonard830 2 жыл бұрын
@@theheretic3764 "They" are corpses under those stars. As in those particular prisoners. Not necessarily ALL of Starro's hosts. Easy fix to allow a big gun to be taken over without killing it outright.
@warrust
@warrust 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomleonard830 dude they eat your face
@MrAlbinoGhost
@MrAlbinoGhost 2 жыл бұрын
When they mentioned that the Starro victims were walking corpses, I was totally expecting a showdown with possessed versions of the distraction squad.
@TayQwonB
@TayQwonB 2 жыл бұрын
That would’ve been cool. But I think by the “movie’s” logic they had to be “alive” first and then it fed on their consciousness until they were dead and controlled. At least by what the movie presents. 🤷🏽‍♂️ But I’m not sure
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
@@TayQwonB ¿?
@aquin3066
@aquin3066 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 The people had to be alive in order to be possessed.
@duongthanhtung492
@duongthanhtung492 2 жыл бұрын
@@aquin3066 That wasnt really mentioned in the movie though?
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 2 жыл бұрын
@@duongthanhtung492 I think it was implied, because they say multiple times it feeds on people's consciousness. You can't really have one of those if you're dead.
@NoahRJitil
@NoahRJitil 2 жыл бұрын
I really love this idea, except for the usage of Flag. I know it's weird to say in a movie like this, but Flag's death meant something; he was in practice the martyr of the mission that was meant to sell both his and Peacemaker's conviction. Both of them coming back as puppets later feels like one irreverent step too far, because they both needed to 'die' to sell the impact.
@your_boywee_tam9155
@your_boywee_tam9155 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree. Could easily believe that flag and peacemaker gets crushed by the building when staro comes out of the ground
@jerner17
@jerner17 2 жыл бұрын
I would use flag to fight Harley with boomer. She really likes them (so happy flag was coming to save her) and it would be nice to see Harley truly feel something when lucid and maybe allude to her dilutions are a coping mechanism to deal with her trauma. So after her fight she's seen talking and joking around with their dead bodies like they are still alive and not understanding that their truly gone and blood sport gives her a hug. Then you still get the emotional death of flag earlier but you also get some great development for Harley as well as grieve for flag's death with her.
@NoahRJitil
@NoahRJitil 2 жыл бұрын
@@jerner17 Now that's an idea I could really get behind!
@ncrxghost8075
@ncrxghost8075 2 жыл бұрын
But then we wouldn’t get a peacemaker movie that’s coming out
@your_boywee_tam9155
@your_boywee_tam9155 2 жыл бұрын
@@ncrxghost8075 its a HBO show
@mr.iiconic
@mr.iiconic 2 жыл бұрын
I actually preferred the idea that starro's drones were dead. I've always hated the part in the comics where he's defeated and everything goes right back to normal. It's morbid to think about how many people he killed, how unsavable they are.
@jeff4son
@jeff4son 2 жыл бұрын
“Who knows why madmen do what they do” was one of the best lines in comic book movie history.
@parkinglotedits6544
@parkinglotedits6544 2 жыл бұрын
such a 180 from harley’s cringey line “we’re bad guys, it’s what we do” in the original
@TAJMofficial
@TAJMofficial 2 жыл бұрын
Where was that said
@brobroman9849
@brobroman9849 2 жыл бұрын
Not feeling this one. Starro giving The Suicide Squad a pass because they helped him is a nice touch. Plus, this movie leaves the option open for a Peacemaker v Bloodsport movie.
@AllWIllFall2Me
@AllWIllFall2Me 2 жыл бұрын
Those are pretty workable complaints, depending on the set-up. Like, I haven't been able to see the movie yet, but all that really needs for the first one is Starro gives them a pass, they explain they're being controlled by Waller, Starro makes some frustrated joke/line about at least his tormentors have learned SOMETHING by studying him for so long, apologizes to the squad, and "turns the weapons of his oppressors against themselves": boom, team 1 comes out newly Starro'ed, and the fight kicks off. And you can just have King Shark beat Peacemaker in a less permanent way. Get a third revisit to the peacemaker bomb bit , and have KS slam him onto a wall spike, or wedge him in a brick wall.
@deimos7737
@deimos7737 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
@@AllWIllFall2Me No.
@cjtrules1
@cjtrules1 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't care for a Peacemaker specific movie. He's already getting a TV show. DC wants Will Smith to come back as Deadshot so he's more likely to get a solo movie.
@brobroman9849
@brobroman9849 2 жыл бұрын
@@cjtrules1 Will Smith can't play anything other than likable characters so if they try to make him a "rugged villain/anti-hero" that movie ain't going to work. Look at all his movies, Will Smith is just not that sort of actor. Bloodsport solo would make way more sense than Deadshot. as Idris Elba can play the part.
@Water_Me_Loan
@Water_Me_Loan 2 жыл бұрын
Javelin’s Death was Sadder than Superman’s Death in Batman v. Superman. *I will die on this hill.* Also, I hope How It Should Have Ended should incorporate this video in their HISHE for The Suicide Squad!
@christopherchua9034
@christopherchua9034 2 жыл бұрын
I think i speak for everyone when I say, agreed.
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6 2 жыл бұрын
Well, basically every death is sadder. Even most villain deaths are sadder.
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 2 жыл бұрын
Why wasn't they issued body armor?
@Water_Me_Loan
@Water_Me_Loan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Darkwintre Dunno.
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6 2 жыл бұрын
@@Darkwintre I mean 1. they don't really care what happens to them (hence why they put bombs in their necks) there's no shortage of super powered criminals and 2. the team he was on was merely a distraction.
@CyGea
@CyGea 2 жыл бұрын
Starro leaving the Squad alone, was a little Starro thinking they were insignificant. But my first thought was, it was Starro thanking the Squad for breaking them/him out.
@boxtupos7718
@boxtupos7718 2 жыл бұрын
Starro literally asked them for help when they met him. He prolly sees them as like a benefactor; And only fought them when they attacked him.
@Queef_Storm
@Queef_Storm Жыл бұрын
No because when Starro first gets free and spawns all his mini-stars some of them still try to attach to the Squad's faces
@fieryspysixty9711
@fieryspysixty9711 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like starro didn't force himself into the suicide squad because he felt thankful that they freed him at first. He did see them in the tank. But your points do sound good. I think complicating the plot in the end seems like it would feel off. Since the movie has the same pace throughout and the ending is just as simple and effective as the entire movie has been while still giving characters meaningful endings.
@Queef_Storm
@Queef_Storm Жыл бұрын
Starro still tried to attach some of his mini-stars to their faces at first, remember?
@toontrooper4103
@toontrooper4103 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely thought it was weird that Squad didn't get the staro babies on their faces. I totally thought Bloodsport would get one because a little bit before we see that his mask gets broken.
@guilhermefranco2930
@guilhermefranco2930 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think he didn't put all that much effort into defeating them because they helped to free him
@plushiesdx
@plushiesdx 2 жыл бұрын
The weirdest was Harley because she barely defended herself. She mainly just crouched and took like 2 of them off
@boxtupos7718
@boxtupos7718 2 жыл бұрын
@@plushiesdx Starro asked them for help and he was freed because of them; He let them off with a warning telling them that the city is his (He's basically throwing a huge tantrum due to the abuse he suffered).
@CrossOutBryce
@CrossOutBryce 2 жыл бұрын
This is actually the first rewrite of yours I don't care for. I feel like the fighting former teammates is kind of tired at this point.
@benjamin6194
@benjamin6194 2 жыл бұрын
But that's what Starro does. That's the point of the character.
@vermister341
@vermister341 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjamin6194 It doesn't have to be, but some DC/Marvel movies change some characters concept for the better or worse
@benjamin6194
@benjamin6194 2 жыл бұрын
@@vermister341 Yeah, I get that. But I think the video is right. Why change Starro into something different, instead of just using a character more like what they did in the movie? If you're gonna have Starro, let him do his thing. It makes for interesting stories. If you're not gonna take advantage of Starro doing his thing, why have him and not someone else?
@lucaspoon4202
@lucaspoon4202 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand him wanting Starro used somewhere else to do more of what he did in the comics and some other giant creature be utilized here. That is a valid criticism and I have had that kind of criticism before too. But yes, the Starro zombie SS members idea, however, just wouldn't really do anything for the story and would just be there for some cheap shock value. The point of that final act against Starro is to show the culmination of the teams changing dynamic throughout the film; the team unifying and to communicate the movie's central theme of finding purpose; purpose for the purposeless, for those who lost it, for those who needed it, etc. Having each member fight separate battles against multiple opponents, in a way, disservices that theme by keeping them from fighting as a unit and just takes that whole final act In a different direction altogether and it's not what James wanted to communicate.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 2 жыл бұрын
I would only really like the rewrite if they didn't still have a giant monster to deal with and it was handled more comedically.
@kickass1437
@kickass1437 2 жыл бұрын
It was refreshing to have a movie with a theme in it for once.
@BooksfromaBiGuy
@BooksfromaBiGuy 2 жыл бұрын
this is exactly why i hope we never get another snyderverse film. love snyder’s visuals, dislike nearly everything else.
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 2 жыл бұрын
That's a weird comment. Every narrative has a theme.
@K3end0
@K3end0 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom and Snyder's chosen theme is "slo-mo, violence, dark, and looking cool"
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 2 жыл бұрын
@@K3end0 Being edgy too. And unsubtle biblical allegory.
@kickass1437
@kickass1437 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah ok maybe I meant message instead of theme.
@NickHunt
@NickHunt 2 жыл бұрын
Starro didn't attack them because they are the ones who freed him. He had no motivation to attack them at that point. He gave them a pass because they let him out.
@Queef_Storm
@Queef_Storm Жыл бұрын
You sure? Some of his mini-stars still tried to attach to their faces.
@Gibbypastrami
@Gibbypastrami 2 жыл бұрын
I really thought TDK would come back since he was never deemed "deceased" just critically injured, such a shame they did something with Weasel but not TDK
@elithedabber875
@elithedabber875 2 жыл бұрын
i think you just want an excuse for nathan fillion to come back and im not blaming you😂
@Gibbypastrami
@Gibbypastrami 2 жыл бұрын
@@elithedabber875 forreal!
@elithedabber875
@elithedabber875 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gibbypastrami killed my boy as cayde and as tdk>:( btw i just read your name and im hungry and intriqued
@tavionredmond2348
@tavionredmond2348 2 жыл бұрын
Nando didn’t specifically say how great polka dot man was :(
@adventuresinportland3032
@adventuresinportland3032 2 жыл бұрын
He was a superhero.
@Revtwenty
@Revtwenty 2 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that Starro saw the suicide squad members, that had the Thinker under their guard, as his liberators - he even asks them if they were there to rescue him.... The thinker tells him no, but Starro knows how abusive he is and shortly is let free - he, when free, then tells them the city is now his and goes on a rampage... To me that felt like: "are you here to rescue me? ok cool, thanks for the rescue - this place is mine now. Leave." That's just the impression I got though.
@Neon1880
@Neon1880 2 жыл бұрын
Well that’s EXACTLY what it was. Nando thinking too much bro
@alphabettical1
@alphabettical1 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would be almost too obvious to be as transformational a story as the original (this original, not the first movie). However, I did think while watching the movie that when they took Harley that they were setting up taking the bodies too. Especially because I don't know who the original POV guy was - I thought perhaps they highlighted him to bring his body back. The idea of Starro TDK being vulnerable to rats because there's no arms to smack them off with is pretty clever though.
@RichGwilliam
@RichGwilliam 2 жыл бұрын
it's a neat idea - neat as in tidy, though. It's costly in terms of the story though because until they see Boomerang explode, they're thinking "he's coming back". So you lose the real and singular sense of stakes that the movie has imparted. Moreover, they're then correct, because you're bringing the "wasted" characters back, which also kills the sense of expendability and needless cost that that beachhead scene carries. All in all it kills some of the movie's more uncommon properties to give it a more regular "shape", and for what? I like a lot of your ideas, but I think it's better as it is.
@jonalen4217
@jonalen4217 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. You're absolutely right. Its a change for the worse. Nando even points out how the interesting aspect of comic fights involving Staro, is that the hero's friends are captured. And the heroes don't want to hurt them. But this edit misses that entirely. The "friends" are already dead, and the movie has already told us that they were expendable. So there's no emotional weigh to making the two squads fight. And, not only is squad 1 expendable, they're also shown to be kinda incompetent. So the audience's initial reaction would be, "oh, these looser again". And then, if Staro-Squad 1 is shown to actually be a threat, it calls into question the first scene. Leading people to wonder, "why did they loose earlier, if they're so dangers now?" But its important to point out, I release exactly zero movie critiques. And its not my place to go criticizing somebody who does. Keep doing what you do Nando.
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
What?
@Ahnjay_2k
@Ahnjay_2k 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonalen4217 You don't need to be an expert to offer criticism. You make complete sense.
@toganium4175
@toganium4175 2 жыл бұрын
I love seeing praise being given to Batman Beyond. Such an underrated show.
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6
@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect to see you here.
@Me-wx1mt
@Me-wx1mt 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated? People don’t talk about it a lot but it’s not underrated
@randallflagg3700
@randallflagg3700 2 жыл бұрын
@@Me-wx1mt - Exactly, *Batman Beyond* is perfectly rated. 8.1/10 on IMDb. 4.8/5 on Amazon. 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. Most people love this show, and rank it just under *"Batman:TAS"* , and a little above both *"The Batman"* and *"Batman: The Brave and the Bold"* , two shows that are also very highly rated. I suspect that most people who use the word "underrated" on the internet don't understand what it means.
@MrFinster53
@MrFinster53 2 жыл бұрын
Your idea starts fallin apart when you try to keep Peacemaker alive for his show. Just leave him dead. Trying to say king shark would throw him up in tact and hed somehow survive the starfish doesnt make much sense. So for your version its fine to say Weasel and PM wouldnt have post credit scenes
@tomleonard830
@tomleonard830 2 жыл бұрын
I know they like John Cena, but DC is big on legacy characters (even Charlton Comics was) so why not Peacemaker II to star in the show - or have it be a prequel show?
@adam7763
@adam7763 2 жыл бұрын
There's a scene after the credits
@3mbthelabel
@3mbthelabel 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomleonard830 Having a Peacemaker II literally makes zero sense and nobody will want to see it because it isn't John Cena. DC has had the same characters in the spotlight for nearly a century. We want to see something new.
@tysmothers
@tysmothers 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the new flag scene and the "f*** you Waller" would be a really nice touch. Showing that she trust/cares for no one and only cares about completing her mission.
@samwitherington8202
@samwitherington8202 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't we keep Boomerang alive? Have him captured with Quinn and rescued. Then, when Starro starts doing his thing, Boomerang is immediately taken over by a starfish. He is the main voice of Starro going forward and acts as a personal link to the Squad.
@cyanp.ramirez5174
@cyanp.ramirez5174 2 жыл бұрын
@@yoshi_923 Which is Ironic because I knew the whole time that Harley would not die.
@cgijokerman5787
@cgijokerman5787 2 жыл бұрын
@@cyanp.ramirez5174 which is why James Gunn did the smart thing and had her do her own side plot
@hawktalon7890
@hawktalon7890 2 жыл бұрын
That would have been interesting. Shame it didn't work out.
@krazy19karl
@krazy19karl 2 жыл бұрын
Boomerang's death tells the audience right off the bat that anyone can die. He was beloved in the first, but that doesn't save him.
@lukekowalski
@lukekowalski 2 жыл бұрын
One issue I have with this is the bomb inside Flag’s head. Feels like it would make the fight between him and Peacemaker less meaningful knowing that Waller can just blow Flag up if he doesn’t go along with this. Why would she even bother giving Peacemaker that side goal anyway if she had control over everyone? I like the concept of the bomb in someone’s head being used here but I feel it should be applied to someone else instead. Maybe Mongal, and keep the inability to be killed by Polka-Dot Man thread? Could also be funny if they use it on Mongal and realize they can’t use it for Savant because his has already been used.
@AntonioCardenasT
@AntonioCardenasT 2 жыл бұрын
They could have kicked a severed head try to time it, could make a gag with the timing with the first one exploding too soon and having ro get another team member head.
@lukekowalski
@lukekowalski 2 жыл бұрын
@@AntonioCardenasT that’s actually perfect
@TAMThomasTAM
@TAMThomasTAM 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would still work. The reveal happens after the fight between Flag and Peacemaker so it doesn't ruin the moment, and even afterwards Bloodsport still has a bomb in his head and gets away with it, and also Flag may not know about the bomb in his own head so it's still within character for him not consider that. Also, I didn't think Peacemaker had the secondary objective, I think he was just committed to the mission and protecting the US, it seemed to me that he just went out of his way to ensure the mission was completed, above and beyond out of his own volition.
@stephentoner3580
@stephentoner3580 2 жыл бұрын
Flag didn't have a bomb in his head, he was the only one in this film that was actually a "hero" if we consider he was already established in Suicide Squad
@Sumdumbshit
@Sumdumbshit 2 жыл бұрын
well like they said earlier there was the communications disruption so she probably didn’t know when they were fighting
@QuestingRefuge
@QuestingRefuge 2 жыл бұрын
I do love the idea of seeing more moral dilemma with Starro and it just sounds like a fun action sequence to resolve. The only thing I can think of is the movie was fairly tight on its theme and I'm not sure this kind of fight would add anything to that. Probably why they kept the end somewhat simpler, although Gunn did say the original pitch had a darker ending.
@tuffdude7795
@tuffdude7795 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Ratcatcher 2 was gonna die, but he thought that was to dark.
@elithedabber875
@elithedabber875 2 жыл бұрын
@@tuffdude7795 i really dont see how she couldve died in the movie because that moment of her and her father talking about the rats was too beautiful to not be in the movie but her death wouldve prob happened tbe second bloodsport landed on the same level as her and peacemaker with him seeing her die. idk tho im just happy with how it turned out
@ShadowBeetle
@ShadowBeetle 2 жыл бұрын
4:00 My headcannon is that starro lets them live cause they basically set him free, so now they are even
@hntrl8880
@hntrl8880 2 жыл бұрын
Polka-Dot Man should've either lived longer (because he was a great character with backstory worth exploring more) or died in a not-comedic way. His death was kinda clearly played for laughs and it wasn't a satisfying watch I also wish The Thinker was more than a plot device. He had all those nodes in his head and I was hoping we'd see some of his mind powers in the film, but we never do. Peter Capaldi did great in the role, don't get me wrong, but I feel like we should've seen more from his character.
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah because he is supposed to be the fastest mind alive
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, Polka-Dot Man's death was fine.
@byronsenior6499
@byronsenior6499 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Polka Dot man's death left a really sour taste. He should have lived.
@scottchaison1001
@scottchaison1001 2 жыл бұрын
@@byronsenior6499 No.
@byronsenior6499
@byronsenior6499 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Why not?
@El-Burrito
@El-Burrito 2 жыл бұрын
I was completely expecting throughout a lot of the fight for a superhero to actually show up and take down Starro, because I couldn't conceive how this ragtag group was meant to do it. I of course had completely forgotten about the javelin at that point. So a superhero showing up to take down Starro and getting a face sucker on them would've been pretty cool!
@unigenius
@unigenius 2 жыл бұрын
Nando: "Ok! Now that that is out of the way-" KZfaq: *LIVING SPACES AD*
@lastjohns9717
@lastjohns9717 2 жыл бұрын
I love how everybody's using that "beacon of freedom" as their thumbnail, just as John Cena isn't taking it off.
@reaganp.1654
@reaganp.1654 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s one small change to this: in the thinkers introduction scene, as he’s talking to the generals, I believe they should mention something along the lines of “acquiring new subjects”. We don’t see who these new subjects are, and we don’t think about it for the rest of the movie, but it should be revealed before starro escapes. When Flag, Ratcatcher, and Thinker are in the room with starro, The disturbing experiments should include blackguard, seeing how a starro can attach to a corpse. Anyways, that’s how I think this should be set up.
@Pleinair1234
@Pleinair1234 2 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of bringing the whole team back, but I do like the idea of bringing Flag back and have him fight the remaining team. Perhaps convert a living Polka-dot man instead of just stomping on him. Just my thought
@cozhog5268
@cozhog5268 2 жыл бұрын
I like this idea, I actually thought this was what was going to happen. I thought the trailer made it a bit obvious the first team would die at the beginning and thought, they must be hiding other footage of these characters because it would spoil them coming back at the end as villains. I’m not sure how I feel about Flag’s head getting blown up though. I think that might feel a bit too mean spirited even for JG. I would like to see Harley fight Boomer as a Starro though, because even though she yells his name when he dies, I would have liked if she could have brought him up again at some point.
@warrust
@warrust 2 жыл бұрын
Harley rips off the starfish only to see the disgusting mangled face underneath
@micahschneids8281
@micahschneids8281 2 жыл бұрын
i loved nando’s list of things he loved about the movie so i’m gonna add mine! the way bloodsport says “uh huh” after starro gets loose and waller asks if he’s there over the comms had me DEAD.
@tonictoad2873
@tonictoad2873 2 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure that zebra man was standing behind double down
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 2 жыл бұрын
Oh snap!
@DiegoLopez-is8kq
@DiegoLopez-is8kq 2 жыл бұрын
@@NandovMovies hey so I do agree with you but the one thing I don't get is how will the team defeat staro after they defeat the other squad. Do they defeat him like how they do it in the movie or what
@ObaREX
@ObaREX 2 жыл бұрын
I actually love this idea. But I would just keep Peacemaker out of it. It was already a leap that he survived getting shot in the neck. It's more of a stretch that he survives not just Starro, but King Shark. Plus, he already got a final confrontation moment. It HAD to be Bloodsport who took him down. Not King Shark.
@scottturner3831
@scottturner3831 2 жыл бұрын
Starfish also regenerate, so there is no reason Starro added to a body couldn't partially regenerate it and thus make Starro research important for a royal family that wants to be immortal.
@suber121
@suber121 2 жыл бұрын
Starros an alien tho, The thing that relates him and a star fish is they're appearance and that's it
@legosaurg7979
@legosaurg7979 2 жыл бұрын
@@suber121 Starro is also capable of regeneration. It's happened a few times in the comics.
@suber121
@suber121 2 жыл бұрын
@@legosaurg7979 Then yeah I guess he has regeneration but it's understandable why they didn't show that
@DKWalsh16
@DKWalsh16 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes Nando comes up with solutions/moments to add to movies that make so much sense, it actually makes me angry that the filmmakers didn't see it or decided not to go with it.
@bichlasagne3779
@bichlasagne3779 2 жыл бұрын
Is it bad I cracked up when he said "then, the rats nibble Weasel's starfish off?"
@Advent3546
@Advent3546 2 жыл бұрын
Anything that squeezes more screen time for Captain Boomerang is a win in my book.
@nathanwhite2293
@nathanwhite2293 2 жыл бұрын
I loved that Starro let Team 2 go. They weren't worth its time. The monster turned out to be wrong about that, but I thought that detail was awesome.
@thegamer74717
@thegamer74717 2 жыл бұрын
Well honestly they freed him so he let them off with a warning "this city is mine"
@luckylucciono4051
@luckylucciono4051 2 жыл бұрын
Thought I was the only one who really liked the shot of Harley remembering Milton
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like so much of this movie was fresh. I'm tired of the fighting against mind controlled teammates trope. Feels way too insullar. If that's what does it for you, then no judgement. But I think it was enough to have Starro there as mostly an aesthetic choice. Same as the Thinker.
@carson8290
@carson8290 2 жыл бұрын
Also wouldn’t Walker’s people just…immediately blow their heads off?
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
@@carson8290 True lol. I didn't think of that. I feel like they could do some convoluted workaround. But I wouldn't want them to.
@tuffdude7795
@tuffdude7795 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d Yeah defeats the purpose of the first group. It was meant to show they were expendable and James wasn't afraid to kill off characters. To bring them back later even in dead form defeats this purpose and makes it more like other superhero movies. I like Rick Flag's death and Peacemaker seeming to die until the end. This ruins those as well. Also Weasel is awesome and I liked having him alive at the end.
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
@@tuffdude7795 Same. Well said.
@lupin5489
@lupin5489 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if since both Weasel and Peacemaker die in this Nando cut if Polka Dot Man would survive
@rodrigobertini8257
@rodrigobertini8257 2 жыл бұрын
It's a pretty fun idea, but it would make the film longer, and the film itself is packed with quite a lot. If it were a comic book weekly series, I'd encourage it. For film, for the story we had, for what's better for pacing, what we got is more than enough.
@OrangeHallow
@OrangeHallow 2 жыл бұрын
It baffles me that these huge movie studios haven’t started hiring you yet, Nando. It would objectively lead to better movies.
@tomleonard830
@tomleonard830 2 жыл бұрын
If I were a studio head I might hire a bunch of freelance uber fans - under an NDA of course - to focus group and brainstorm on plot holes and improvements.
@jerner17
@jerner17 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah or at least choose him for test screenings so he can give this kind of great feedback before they release the film. I am sure he would do it for free
@mymanzach8265
@mymanzach8265 2 жыл бұрын
Love the nando vids man!
@robonthecob6920
@robonthecob6920 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer what happened in the real movie, but this is neat too.
@yuuthehobo
@yuuthehobo 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, if you were a giant monster that was imprisoned for 30 years and experimented on through all that time, you'd want to rampage around as soon as you got out and wouldn't care too much about a few humans not falling to your hypnosis.
@tuffdude7795
@tuffdude7795 2 жыл бұрын
Especially the ones who are responsible for you being freed in the first place
@clerkwithamouth
@clerkwithamouth 2 жыл бұрын
You know Nando really loved a movie when he doesn't take 25 minutes to explain his change. I was like "Wait that's it?"
@androyus
@androyus 2 жыл бұрын
I also want to add that King Shark's "split body"-kill should've been reserved for the Corto commander who ordered to shoot him instead of that random scared soldier. The kill would've add more emotional satisfaction that way.
@michaeldiekmann6494
@michaeldiekmann6494 2 жыл бұрын
One small change: Don't kill Boomerang. Everything else was perfect. Because the whole "everyone could die" stick was bullshit. Who died from the main cast? Polka and Flagg. Two fake outs for Peacemaker and...fucking Weasel.... Flag having a bomb too is brilliant by the way, mate
@tardersauce3578
@tardersauce3578 2 жыл бұрын
That would be a very fun way to still do the twist of eviscerating the first squad while still using them really well
@lofr8982
@lofr8982 2 жыл бұрын
nooo...no...nope. That opening managed all our expectations, making this movie about "expendable" people possible. Bringing back the corpses of dead characters means having corpses with no character. Giving the corpses character would mean they are not dead. My one small change would be having the thinker saying that he doesn't know if the star-fish zombies can be saved, giving our morally dubious characters another bunch of difficult choices, and allowing for the audience to wonder who should really be redeemed (or at least allowed to survive) by the end of this movie.
@BirthQuakeRecords
@BirthQuakeRecords Жыл бұрын
My only criticism of this pitch is that it includes the death of some of Ratcatcher 2’s rats. THE best part of this movie is that it didn’t have ANY rat death, and I’m aggressively supportive of this aspect of it.
@El-Burrito
@El-Burrito 2 жыл бұрын
I think I had the same or at least a similar nitpick with the movie when I watched it. I loved it overall. But the scene where Ratcatcher tells the group to cover their face, and only recently in a previous scene they specifically show Bloodsports helmet cracking and breaking. Harley basically doesn't need to do anything at all. I was really expecting at least ONE of the group to get Starro'd and for the rest of them to have to fight off a mind controlled friend. But at the same time, we've already had members of the squad fighting each other, so it wouldn't really be anything new. Overall it was a small gripe that quickly left my head
@Thebritishhistorian
@Thebritishhistorian 2 жыл бұрын
This would fix the "waste" of the first group for me. I'm in the same boat, I loved this movie but at times I felt it was a bit like a mate telling you a really cool story? "And then this happened... AND THIS HAPPENED! and what if we do this? YESSSS!" Its a great movie, tons of fun~ and Nando you've given payoff to the one thing I felt was left out.
@ShinyMon321
@ShinyMon321 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much all of Team 2 made it to the final act so I feel like it made up for the beginning bloodbath. Tho what did feel like a waste to me was Boomer, but then again he died with a smile and it was beautiful. 😌
@Thebritishhistorian
@Thebritishhistorian 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShinyMon321 Yeah boomer was happy-sad. I dunno, personally I feel it would have been cooler for the local military to capture a couple of them just to get knocked off throughout the film. Then again maybe that would have removed the tension that builds all the way to peacemaker and rick flags fight of "Ooooo when is another one going to die?!"
@lsadikoglu
@lsadikoglu 2 жыл бұрын
I really like your idea of the Starro controlled Decoy Suicide Squad coming back for a great showdown. Great job, that is some creative matching of adversaries and a great finale with the head bomb explosions.
@Marg_Sabl
@Marg_Sabl 2 жыл бұрын
2:52 my head cannon is that ratcatcher2 is actually narcoleptic. I have loved ones who are and she acts in a very similar way. It honestly endears me more to her character.
@diegocarvajalcastro
@diegocarvajalcastro 2 жыл бұрын
for me, the death of boomerang really set the stakes for the rest of the movie, It felt like the only characters out of danger of diying were harley, bloodsport and ratcatcher
@thomaspetch995
@thomaspetch995 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I just wanted a little heart to heart between flag and Harley before flag gets killed
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like that would have made his death more obvious.
@Jordacar
@Jordacar 2 жыл бұрын
The other cool part of this idea is that you don't need to bring the Team One actors back. Since their faces are all completely covered, you could do it just with stuntmen. The Team One cast didn't get to see any of the script beyond their characters' deaths, so this would further prevent leaks.
@thejellylord1900
@thejellylord1900 2 жыл бұрын
In my head that entire bit made it in my head that the other team (Who rocked up AT THERE CAMP) was the distraction team but since main team (Harley, Rick and boomerang) were sold out they weren’t at the camp
@BlackStarrTurnsHeel
@BlackStarrTurnsHeel 2 жыл бұрын
What i really love about this movie is the camera shots the most. I agree with the idea of the first set of Suicide Squad characters fighting the main set at the end 😄.
@MrDHGFIU
@MrDHGFIU 2 жыл бұрын
What if you added ratcatcher to the list of members that are controlled by starro. Then, after bloodsport sees this after fighting a bit, he tries his hardest to get her free because he understands how important their bond is regarding their father-daughter sort of dynamic after listening to ratcatchers backstory. When bloodsport wins, there's a greater emotional connection between them and bloodsport could think to give more value, importance, and recognition to his own daughter. Then, in the end, he reunites with his daughter, apologizes, and gives more value to his relationships with her
@maadacoomber9090
@maadacoomber9090 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Nando
@megadude967
@megadude967 2 жыл бұрын
So when Thinker said Starro *feeds* on mental energy or whatever I 100% thought that the movie would end eith him sticking starfishes on the Squad and then die of what is essentially food poisoning.
@NateJ6
@NateJ6 2 жыл бұрын
Love that this version gives the characters more action and the actors more screen time
@benjamin6194
@benjamin6194 2 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of bringing Flagg back and then stopping him with the bomb in his head. Not only does it give us a little closure on Flagg, it gives the people at HQ something useful to do, which they never really did in the whole movie.
@Azaul
@Azaul 2 жыл бұрын
What I especially like about this idea is that it adds a layer to the Team 1 twist. I think most people who saw the trailer could tell who wasn’t making it past the first act just from the presentation of the characters. Bringing them back at the end would surprise viewers who didn’t see the act 1 massacre coming, and those who did.
@marcoangulo3818
@marcoangulo3818 2 жыл бұрын
Why all your changes are so freaking awesome man???, this videos blow my mind more every time. Even in this amazing movies (like spiderverse) you thought a way to improve them, respect bro
@JustSucks
@JustSucks 2 жыл бұрын
I legit formed a shot in my head where the camera focuses on the face of a soldier until the extension of starro latches onto him. I thought that was cool idk.
@maxaurdunpow7313
@maxaurdunpow7313 2 жыл бұрын
love the content
@ThePowerBunny
@ThePowerBunny 2 жыл бұрын
Nando, how do you always come up with these brilliant ideas? I mean this change would allow ALL suicide squad members to appear in the same scene. Just brilliant! I feel like these studios need to hire you just so you could come up with these awesome sequences for reshoots
@Derekivery
@Derekivery Жыл бұрын
I think a better end to Bloodsport vs Flagg fight wouldn’t be Flagg having a bomb (because he wouldn’t submit to that) but the team cutting off the head of one of team 1 and throwing it like a grenade
@sharkdude7
@sharkdude7 2 жыл бұрын
Still upset that Polka-Dot Man died, it was such a sad death and it was so close to the end.
@ty_cax
@ty_cax 2 жыл бұрын
my one issue with this is that i think it would undercut Flag's death scene a little. that was one of the most emotional parts of the movie (that wasn't related to Ratcatcher 2) so i would be kinda sad if right after that they blew his head up.
@billyb4688
@billyb4688 2 жыл бұрын
The shot of Harley jumping into Starro's eye was BEAUTIFULLY DONE. Like it looks so good.
@erichludwig2095
@erichludwig2095 2 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to have seen the remaining squad members turn around and leave after making their deal with Waller. Starro still rampaging through Corto Maltese in the background. Then we see the Batwing fly overhead and off in the distance we see the Justice League fighting Starro with all their might. Maybe Harley can say, "I think this is more their thing" as they turn around and walk away
@PFiction24
@PFiction24 2 жыл бұрын
My problem is Starro is clearly a threat to the entire planet and Waller just says "No my department lol."
@Fuhrerjehova
@Fuhrerjehova 2 жыл бұрын
He actually does not seem to be. If a spear and rats can kill him, so can the US Air Force.
@BooksfromaBiGuy
@BooksfromaBiGuy 2 жыл бұрын
i mean, is there anything more United States than that?
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
It's not though. That's a US military or Justice League issue.
@PFiction24
@PFiction24 2 жыл бұрын
Books from a Bi Guy the point is Starro would destroy the whole planet, which the US is apart of. Secrets wouldn't matter if all of humanity was wiped out.
@user-nv9vn8fm1d
@user-nv9vn8fm1d 2 жыл бұрын
@@PFiction24 The Justice League would deal with it first.
@wdcain1
@wdcain1 2 жыл бұрын
I wish it was Captain Boomerang that woke up on the beach at the ending. I just really want to see Jai Courtney in the Flash movie.
@tuffdude7795
@tuffdude7795 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe we will get him in Flashbacks in the future. I sure hope so
@xero1048
@xero1048 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know I wanted this until you suggested it
@gamingchef9435
@gamingchef9435 2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting the Starro fight to consist of a bunch of squad members getting mini Starros and then immediately getting their heads blown up to weaken Starro
@MrTony-rx7tk
@MrTony-rx7tk 2 жыл бұрын
Not a change but just something I’d like to bring up; during that scene when all of the mini-starros are latching onto the soldier’s faces, Polka-dot man was probably witnessing it as tiny versions of his mom falling from the sky.
@vroman809
@vroman809 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh i want to see this version!!
@Noki0100
@Noki0100 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh new vid!
@ArifShahz
@ArifShahz 2 жыл бұрын
The movie established that Starro feed on conscious being so i don't think Starro are going to control dead people.
@banshee25
@banshee25 2 жыл бұрын
There's a moment where the starfish rain down where I thought Harley was going to be got. Shes curled up in the background with a bunch on her without a mask.
@sammarshall9936
@sammarshall9936 2 жыл бұрын
Yessssss this would be perfect. You could keep the same runtime by cutting the Harley/President part that added nothing to the movie and only bogged it down. You could literally go from her being caught on the beach to her being tortured and escaping and the movie would be better for it with this scene added.
@idefyseven
@idefyseven 2 жыл бұрын
One small change to your one small change, is that they remove the explosive devices from squad ones heads. Because if you put the team against the other team Amanda Waller can just kill that first team by detonating all the devices
@Ifrit86
@Ifrit86 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I'll ever not tear up a bit for Taika's scene
@abdullahx4908
@abdullahx4908 2 жыл бұрын
Problem with the possessed dead team members is that most of them had been torn to shreds. Boomerangs arms only remained, savant got his head blown off, blackguard got his face blown off, Mongal is burnt to a crisp. So their bodies are unusable, and i think starro can only possess living people
@jodellkesterseegobin2039
@jodellkesterseegobin2039 2 жыл бұрын
When I finally got around to watching this, the first thing I thought of after seeing Captain Boomerang die was "I wonder how Nando'll react to this!"
@savagezerox
@savagezerox 2 жыл бұрын
It wasnt established that this version of Starro could take over a corpse. Only that once it was removed, the body would be a corpse. And that a starroed body could take any amount of damage and still be under its control.
@charlesgonzalez1406
@charlesgonzalez1406 2 жыл бұрын
It could be changed for the film, this is a hypothetical situation where the writers could've made their own rules to fit this scenario
@rory_pond1701
@rory_pond1701 2 жыл бұрын
Gunn's interpretation of Starro owes a debt to his earlier film _Slither_. The alien entity in that movie also mind-controlled a large group of people, and when it died, they died too.
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