Amer Marashi thank you my friend, and thanks for watching!

Anthony Yao thank you! I do my best to come at all the products I get an opportunity to review in a fair way. Glad that came across here.

Definitely ends up saving you quite a bit in the long run, that’s for sure.

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@@Sprometheus especially when you're drinking cup often or using quality beans you that you want to taste good.

Argyl Infantado that’s a fact!

@Argyl Infantado Nope... for the price of that hobby, beans, electricity, milk, water purifiers and the time it requires to learn... you end up expending more before the first 24 months, in which after, other better gadgets have arrived to the table and the cycle repeats. Expensive but tasteful hobby 😋

mdem it does seem a tad excessive.

@@Sprometheus It really does, as you stated in your video, nobody who is on the level to spend that money on a coffee related item would really need to use it. They would already have a routine they do with their machine. And hobbyist like me would find it hard to spend $2500 on a high end machine and grinder.. and cups, and a nice tamper and coffee towels, and beans for a few months and a nice milk frothing jug to even think about adding this machine to the mix haha. I think this might be more for coffee shops that have low to mid level traffic who won't mind having domestic tier gear with no warranty to fall back on, if it helps them because of high tern over and lack of training the staff. Places like hospitals, small family run cafes and restaurants. Things like that where $2500 on a more stable and consistent coffee product is ideal.

My KRUPS superautomatic has bigger 40mm burrs and the grinder costs about $50 as a replacement part. :)

The brand is worth $2000

@@tianyuzhu1031 the brand maybe, but this item isn't worth anything if nobody buys it. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how long they keep it in their catalogue

Haha, that's a deep cut. Nostalgia at its finest.

The Real Sprometheus Yeah it’s definitely a questionable product especially with that price tag. I’d glad you pulled no punches and gave us the real deal.

It has its benefits, haha.

The auto grinder, distributor and tamper is a tricky thing and I don't think anyone has got it right. Better off running stand alone grinders at this point in my opinion.

Yeah it does seem aimed at that market, which is a bummer. And I agree, it’s not the best looking grinder and has none of the classic style charm that you’d expect from a LM product. In terms of the burrs those 63 Mazzers are what they use in the Niche and they are fire. So it seems like LM likely handed this concept over to Etzinger and they used the parts they had available.

Springfield Leo yeah honestly, not sure what they’re thinking with this one. I love the brand, but I don’t think they are listening to their base all that well. Especially the home group.

@@Sprometheus Yeah, totally. I mean, the linea mini was a good design. It's simple but robust and accurate which make it perfect for home use. I don't see those qualities in this one though.

Lets say that the EK43 is not for the same customers. Then the fucking Eg-1 is 500 dollars away. The grinder which might be considered the best single doser

Berke Yılmaz what you mean? I have a EK 43 in my counter. And I love it 🥰 more than my girlfriend

@@gabrielmendoza4208 No, of course it can be bought for home use. I just don't think la marzoco saw commercial grinders like Ek being the competition. But unfortunately the price tag made it so.

The Funny Dumpling thank you! I appreciate that.

Keep pushing! It’ll happen

Adz you’re going to corrode those burrs with your salty tears haha

@@Sprometheus I'm not even going to pretend I'm not salty 😂

Well, some modification and a power drill will bring your speed up

@@mexicanhalloween I tried this once, but was very hesitant and haven't tried it since. What mods are out there? I've seen some people selling an attachment for $200, but then I'd be around niche money.

@@dadamj I'm more of a DIY guy, so on my Aergrind I just filed down the end of the central shaft in a hexagon shape until a socket drill bit fit over it and could use a drill.

Michael Pratt thanks Michael, I appreciate that. It hurt my heart a bit, but the facts are facts.

TheBaristaGame Thank you my friend, I appreciate that.

For sure! Its a pretty similar shape, just a bit if a different set up.

The Niche is a bargain, and its my current grinder girlfriend.

Naif Alqhtani thank you my friend! And it does seem overpriced for how it performs, but maybe someone values ease of prep over accuracy it’s worth it?

The Niche and the Lunar are an unstoppable team!

Tim Rogers Thanks Tim, and I agree. I feel like this grinder is aimed at such a small group of espresso enthusiasts that it’s going to be a hard sell. But just my take.

It's a little more tricky with the Swift than it was with my old Mazzer. You can only grind when a portafilter is locked in. Since the way the beans are dosed into the conical burrs vs the flat burrs of the Mazzer it didn't seem all that necessary to do. Plus with only 16 stepped adjustments there just isn't a lot of adjustments needed, or possible really.

LetsKranx you’re welcome, and thanks for watching and commenting. I’m with you, that price tag isn’t up to what you’re getting with it unfortunately.

Yeah the whole auto dose and tamp program needs a lot of work.

Armaan Ilyas it’s a great name, but not quite that great.

I guess it does also tamp, but you could buy a 270 as well as a puqpress and get a better stepless grind, less retention, bigger burrs, and save $1000.

The Sette was also made in collaboration with Etzinger. That's why the Swift Mini and Sette and Etzinger grinders share a lot of similarities

Apparently I need to get a Sette 270 to review, haha.

mexicanhalloween 2000$ lol

You're welcome, and you and I both!

Yeah it seems like that's how they aimed for, but that can't be a big market. Doesn't seem smart business wise, but maybe its a big group.

For sure, having worked in a sales and technical role for commercial espresso equipment and even working with companies like Peet's who exclusively use the commercial Swift I was very familiar with it. Had high hopes for the home version in terms of consistency, definitely disappointing.

Timothy Huebner that’s a tight budget for an espresso program. I can’t really recommend any automatic machines as I’m not all that familiar with them. I think the Flair is an awesome piece though. You could get a Gaggia Classic in that range. But you’re looking at spending close to half of budget for a grinder to go with it. I’d say the best option in that same budget range is the Sette 270.

@@Sprometheus Thank you for the recommendations. I understand our budget restriction mixed with the automatic machine condition my fiance wants is not desirable and hopefully i can convince her of that (wish me luck). Regardless, I truly appreciate the advice. Thank you

Hoon's Coffee the Niche for me is the GOAT. At least in terms of current home grinders. Hard to compare the two since the price is so dramatically different. Between the Mazzer and Niche I go nice for home purely for single dosing. For a shop I’d go Mazzer for reliability.

@@Sprometheus Do you still have your old Mazzer?

Calvin Rey yeah I’m not sure why they went that direction. But in thinking it’s because they used the parts that Etzinger has on hand.

my 75mm flat burr crushes that small lamarzocco in seconds lol

Ahmad Husaini Yea ur right about the speed but we got to remember light roasts needs lower rpm and thus less heat transfer in the grind process.

@@punitdave7034 u didnt get what i meant lol

Rob Lucchetti I’ve only had a few small experiences with the Sette. Definitely the price it right, but I’ll take the Niche all day.

Ricky Ng knowing La Marzocco it’s likely going to NSF certified for commercial use like the Linea Mini.

@@Sprometheus I've heard that commercial grinders tend to have more retention. When you were a barista, was this true with the grinder at the cafe? Does it matter at a commercial setting?

Ricky Ng I never noticed a ton of difference in retention between commercial and home. But when using the Swift as a single doser you get zero retention, the grinds are actually getting held up in the dosing chamber and on top of the impeller

@@Sprometheus ah okay.

potatotr33 tamping and milk steaming are the two hardest things to master in terms of consistency

I get what you're saying. I think there are things that La Marzocco puts out that you can tell has effort behind it. The Mini is clearly the culmination of lots of effort and time to create something that lives up to the brand and the bulletproof reliability of the classic Linea. But the Swift Mini from my view is just a lazy attempt to pass something that doesn't have any of the charm or classic beauty expected from a La Marzocco machine. Plus the lack of refinement is just frustrating for the price and for me as a huge fan of La Marzocco and what they do. I hope they see this video, and if it makes them mad that's okay. But maybe they'll remember it when they have another board meeting to design something without what feels like much if any barista input.

Dan, you have a good espresso machine to suggest me at an abordable price ? Thanks 😎

@@karine8738 What is your budget?

@@danhorton6182 Around 350$ it can be little more too. Sorry I am on a low budget but will love that same setup he has but cheaper 😉😉😉 thanks to you 👍 sorry my english bad, I am french 😊

Linden Wilkie both the Lux D and the Niche are great options. I used the Lux for the first 2 years of my Mini ownership and have nothing but good things to say about it. I ended up switching to the Niche about 6 months ago for a few reasons. Single dosing being the main reason, and the low retention means I am wasting less coffee without having to purge between grind adjustments. Also, I love that the Niche allows me to adjust to a coarser grind so simply for pour overs or any other form of coffee I’d like, and go right back to espresso in a blink. It’s also so much quieter, smaller, and will fit under any cabinets in a kitchen unlike the Mazzer. The burrs aren’t a huge concern to be honest. I do think there is a bit of of a taste difference, but that’s more anecdotal than proven fact. You’ll be happy with either, but in my opinion the Niche is the best home coffee grinder on the market. I did a video review of that one as well if you want to take a look.

@@Sprometheus Thanks so much for the reply. I'm pulling the trigger on these two on Monday. I have watched accessories video and will get the little funnel for the portafilter. Your rotary coffee evener, does that do the same job as another kind of pre-tamp device I've seen with a series of metal prongs on it for evening coffee? And, if it's effect is different, do you have a view on which is better? I'm glad I've found your channel and I look forward to looking at some of the other videos on it. I've also subscribed.

marcus annegarn it is super interesting looking, but this one is a production model so it’s hitting the streets as we speak. It did still have laser tape on it when I got it loaned to me, but I just left it on haha. I’m not sure there are any others out there that do all the Swift Mini does, but it seems like a challenge other grinder manufacturers should consider.

@@Sprometheus ah gotcha! Yeah I think it's super cool for them to put this out there! It's always nice to see some innovation and pushing things forward. (Even if the product isn't perfect or doesn't make sense for most people yet.)

Jamie Moore haha that’s a solid set up, will get you a long ways from bean to cup.

I absolutely am a Niche lover through and through. It doesn’t have those features, but I can control everything in terms of accuracy of dose and it’s much easier to dial in with just one variable, which saves coffee.

The Real Sprometheus I’m glad to hear that considering I have a Niche coming in the mail 😂 the less retention the better IMO

That Niche Zero is the GOAT home grinder in my opinion. At least for the current market.

The Real Sprometheus Thanks for the Niche review tho, helped me making the decision.

Panos Nicolaou haha well I got caffeinated, but I won’t continue to be caffeinated at least with this grinder!

@@Sprometheus hahahaha back to the niche it is!!

Panos Nicolaou I’ve been having a love affair with it since reviewing it about 6 months ago.

@@Sprometheus lmao who doesn't?

I’d say no. The grinder was discontinued because of a “fatal flaw in its design”. That flaw I’m not sure of, but that was direct quote from an LM employee.

@@Sprometheus Thank you for a quick and clear answer. Appreciated!

Qutaiba ALZamel I’ve never used an Etz grinder but I’ve heard good things. But I agree completely. It takes a lot of the fun out of the prep, but I get some people find it tedious, but so is dialing in dose and grind size.

You and I both! Seems like they skipped a step.

BydoEmpire yeah the commercial version makes a lot of sense. And I do think in the beginning the Linea Mini was a hard sell, but it’s definitely elevated to a respected status in the industry

Murat Ahat yeah I feel like your average home barista and espresso enthusiast feels the same. I wouldn’t switch even if it was on the dot with dosing and all that. I could see small shops using it, in fact a buddy of mine with a small shop is trying to get one. But it’s a give and take. Could save you some time in prep, but it isn’t all that accurate. It’s all a balance really. Can’t go wrong with the Niche in my opinion.

I've use one, its like a toy. Fun to play with but would never consider putting one anywhere.

The Real Sprometheus No kidding. 12K for one group?? I have a Strega and Caravel Arrarex. So as a lever head, I can only imagine how the Leva tastes.

Wesley Matthews I’ve heard great things about that grinder, it’s on my list to try out.

The Whizkid yeah I expected to enjoy it quite a bit, but it ended up kind of falling short for me. But I agree, it’s a hard thing to make perfectly, but for that price it better be fairly close! Haha

@@Sprometheus :P I can imagine. The thought behind the functions indeed appears so pleasant that you really wish it to be the one thing that makes life a bit more convenient eh. - Haha youre right man... hrrr I don´t wanna bash on La Marzocco. I really like the brand but I can't stop my sarcasm from flowing. I just wanted to say: If worst comes to worst, then it would still be Italy's most gorgeous coffee grinding door stopper... If it wasn´t so top heavy^^

michalis9 my Niche looks like that.

Joey Gutierrez for sure! Thanks for watching Joey! Always love to hear from ya.

Iliass bz well you couldn’t use the distribution and tamping functions because it has to use a 58mm LM style basket. But that’s a good question. Not sure if it had the ability to make those small adjustments needed for those manual press espresso units.

I don't see how this would work with the Flair, since it requires manual tamping.

@@joshhaimes was talking about ajustements incase you have a standard espresso machine + flair like me so you may need a second grinder for flair...

Pavl9k that’s a solid choice, it’s my current GOAT in terms of home grinders

I love my Niche with all my heart. Curious about the Monolith though...

The Real Sprometheus you can pre order for April 2021 delivery. That’s what i did after missed out “lottery” for December 2020 batch.

Andrie Wijaya math is hard. Haha

squibcakes74 thanks for watching!

Thank you! I'm definitely a La Marzocco fan, and will have more equipment reviews coming!

Qutaiba ALZamel haha uh oh, well if he likes it then more power to him!

You know I may have argued for the hopper a couple years ago, but now I’m totally with you. At home there is no need. Single dosing is superior in all ways except the minor amount of time it takes to weigh out your dose.

@@Sprometheus One more point- occasionally at the cafe I work at, depending on the dosing timers consistency, I'll have to adjust the dose into the portafilter several times, having to be careful not to disturb the puck, adding more espresso, etc. You really won't have that problem weighing beans first, and then going into a low retention single doser. La Marzocco claims they're solving that dosing problem for baristas, but it's so incredibly inconsistent- at least on your model- that it just makes a worse product rather then fixing a problem that doesn't even exist on cheaper home machines.

Don Cho it does seem hyper focused on fast and easy over all else.

Thanks Rick! I appreciate that, and Niche gang for sure!

For sure, I'm confused how this made it through the testing phase into production.

​@@Sprometheus Super confusing product for sure 😂

vessk000 never used that one, but I’d be curious to test the dose, distribution, and tamping on that as well out of curiosity

@@Sprometheus I had this machine before I exchanged it for the regular Dual Boiler when I moved on with the Mahlkonig Vario as a separate grinder for single dose. The Oracle had the same variability each time it dosed (+/- 0,2 to 0,8g). It had the same everyday issues like the ones you stated in terms of the mess. From my experience, it looks almost the same as this LM grinder and tamper.

@@vessk000 I had the exact same experience with my Oracle touch and ended up getting a Niche Zero to replace the built-in grinder.

@@Sprometheus The Oracle has the exact same problems that you identified with the Swift. I stopped using the grinder in my Oracle and bought and use a standalone Eureka, instead. Huge improvement!

Always! Thanks for watching.

Well said! I think if you want automatic, go full automatic.

Thanks for watching and subscribing, look forward to seeing you around!