I remember this song and Somewhere in Sahara from childhood. I thought they were fab!

It's a very clever name. The fact that there are 9 in the band is a drinking term to have "one over the eight" meaning that you were drunk and incapable. Thus, Temperance meant "No drinking". Beautiful and elegant. Much like the band.

@@DaveyL1954 Thanks for the explanation!

I just heard Brian May talking about them on Elis and John BBC radio show. So it made me look them up. He talked about a 1961 recording using just one microphone by George Martin. I was born that year. I’ve never heard of the band. But There’s 9 of them here?! I love Crazy Little Thing Called Love and it’s delightful to know there’s this influence. Or other songs that have an essence of another era like Here’s Looking At You by Blondie … or their cover of The Tide Is High … originally a song by the Jamaican group Paragons with John Holt which I only recently learned and just had to Google for details. It’s great to hear a band try a completely different sound.

Martin Fry is your grandad?

apegrum wow you lucky thing to have a talented Grandad who are my mind is in a great jazz band.

You must be a distant relative of mine! Martin is my distant cousin :)

That's my father in law on the piano!

My Grandad is on the Banjo!

Well said Henry. Give me a call when you can please. (Baritone sax player - I played your Bass sax once, in that small pub in Bristol area). Hope you are well. Regards WL

@@taliesin8192 Hello Warren, I'm ok for 80 I suppose. we are still at the Chelsea every Tuesday coming up for 18 years - longest residency in my life... Incidentally, upon receipt of your comment, I mistakenly went to the old KZfaq posting of this number and answered a 12 year old query.

@@Henry24542 Ruddy marvelous and THANK YOU dear Henry. I shall visit next Tuesday the 16th. August and look forward to it very much. My Greatest Regards as ever.

Thank you, I was using Temperance Seven LP covers and trying to match pictures to the artist credits, I have no authoritative reference on what was my favourite music group when I was growing up in Britain in the fifties/early Sixties.

You are correct. Cliff Bevan is a friend of mine and that is no doubt him at the piano.

The book was called Trad Mad

!Cool

Lucky you! He's an ace musician and by all accounts a great fun guy as well.

Yes - Helen was just wonderful, wasn't she? Still singing, but it tends to be inspirational now.

Whispering Paul McDowell please

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a great loss

TheJonnyfrank Apparently alive and living in France 🇫🇷

Thanks for the update. He must be in his 80's. Saw him play with Temperance Seven on Shanklin pier in the 1970's!! Time flies.

parabot19 my son's great grandad.

@@nainaramavrat8962 Was he related to Neil Innes of the Bonzo's?

How many cigar-sellers filed for bankruptcy afterwards? :)

Brian and Neil not related as far as I know. I had a brief correspondence with Brian Innes a few years back over one of their "Sunday Night at the London Palladium" performances. For more info about him and the Temps read his autobiography "A long way from Pasadena".

@@Krzyszczynski From Brian Innes's comments in his autobiography (see above) he actually managed to get his cigars tax-deductable as they were necessary on-stage props.

The film was called 'It's Trad Dad' 1962

Thanks

Sure is.

@@Krzyszczynski I was told by a mutual friend that George Martin momentarily forgot Martin Fry's name and made up Franklin Paverty on the spur of the moment.

@@briancollins2913 Was thinking perhaps Franklin Paverty was a joke on Franklin "Poverty" as Franklin Roosevelt was president here in the U.S. during the 1930's great depression? I'm rather new to appreciating the Temperance Seven so forgive me if that's a joke everyone got long ago! - Ken K. musescore.com/user/23900941/scores/4435296musescore.com/user/23900941/scores/4435296 rhe Temperance Seven

Limiting oneself to only seven pints is "temperance". But they always had one over the eight.

Because, they claimed, they were always "one over the eight".