Thanks for the video! I hope you can answer a couple of questions about the barrel. Is it a mid length gas system, and is it a .936 gas block?
@mr220v5 ай бұрын
Kind of like my 12.5" 6.5 grendel. A bit more power, but a bit more weight.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Same sort of short barrel but still higher performance
@mr220v5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I would think this concept would do best with 140grn vs 120grn. Maybe even get something closer to 160grn. Take up that space with more bullet and less powder. Powder the 14.5" barrel can't use anyway.
@justa3v6195 ай бұрын
Same I’ve got a 12.5” 16” and 18” Grendel and I love the 12.5” for just about anything. But I will say I build an ar10 with a faxon 16” 6.5 creedmoore gunner barrel and was able to keep it under 8lbs with a 1-8x scope. Kinda digging that if I really gotta reach out. But the ammo/mags are still way heavier and bigger than the Grendel
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@mr220v I think those are the most efficient for sure, I am just looking for what shoots the best groups right now.
@bigracer38675 ай бұрын
I would say creed had a bit more umphf🎉
@Guardian2A5 ай бұрын
It seems like 6.5 CM is similar to 5.56 for barrel length. Somehow the government set a regulation that was reasonable for these specific calibers, hey even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
It is weird how that worked out.
@phoenixnfa5 ай бұрын
A good small frame AR-10 with a 14.5” stainless barrel. A good 0 to 1000 yard gun. 5.56 with 77gr is already a great 0 to 500 gun. I love this concept and I’m hoping to see if more and more
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
CMV barrel in this bad boy though.
@phoenixnfa5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp which is even more impressive!
@jhartmac1005 ай бұрын
.556 in 14.5" is good out to 500yrds? whats the ballistics on that @ 500
@phoenixnfa5 ай бұрын
@@jhartmac100 drop of 74 inches. Dial 4 mrad up. Still has 340ft lbs of energy.
@douglasmilburn38752 ай бұрын
@@jhartmac100effective enough lol I think at 800 it’s (M193) basically comparable to a 22 at the muzzle but with a heavier bullet. Not amazing, but still not something you want touching you lol
@msquared96055 ай бұрын
For anyone who cares to know, the hornady superformance line of ammo is a great way to compensate shorter barrels and their loss of velocity. The 150 grain sst out of my 16” 308 bolt gun was averaging somewhere in the 2730fps range
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I have 5 more loads coming in to test out.
@1AbominAble15 ай бұрын
I said screw velocity and started running a 14.5 308 years ago. Works very well for what I use it for and since I’ll likely never need to go out past 400 yards still brings the heat. There are obviously better chamberings but I had 308 aplenty at the time and it stacks Barnes 168gr TTSX
@baraboo-nb7hv3 ай бұрын
14.5 308 is the way.
@Juliankb395 ай бұрын
VIGIL GANG. Love my criterion 16 inch rifle gas hybrid. Just under 10 pounds with a fully loaded 25 round lancer. The dissipator you sent me is awesome and every bit as accurate, like a little brotato to the 6.5. Creedmoor is the same price as 308 here and there's more of it. Testing a 10.53308 kak "pistol" today, can't wait for the hilarity.
@pb70875 ай бұрын
I love my 16” Criterion-barreled 6.5CM. It’s so handy, but it’s got better external ballistics than a 20” 308. It helped me win the gas gun division of a local PRS match to boot.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Let me know if you can still hear when you are done lol
@milesrost66745 ай бұрын
Great to hear Brother!! That dissipator upper is pretty badass, thinking about snagging me one while he's got them in stock. Cheers! - Godspeed
@mtnbound27645 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippWHAT? I couldnt hear you
@GRAFITTI0005 ай бұрын
Mass Effect music. Awesome
@Mantitude5 ай бұрын
There it is! Thanks for putting this out already, I've been considering a 16" or 14.5" Creed, and while I'm still not completely sure on which one, I've certainly been assured that it isn't a completely ridiculously hair-brained idea.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Either one is great, you might get better barrel selection with 16"
@Mantitude5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. And slightly better ballistics, to boot. To whoop 308 even more, yay. Whelp, off to make questionable financial decisions, and find a decently lightweight ar-10ish receiver set...
@J_Un1t5 ай бұрын
Fwiw it’s a bolt gun but I get 2430fps with norma match out of a tikka chopped to 16”. Can toss that in a ballistic app to look at projected dope. I have a load that shoots 130tmks at 2600 and I think the 16” really shines in that 130 class
@kylejudge19025 ай бұрын
I have been going over the merits of a 6.5/6.8 14.5" rifle for months. 6.8SPC kept coming up as part of a URGI-6.8. This video was awesome, thank you.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad to help!
@outboardprsnlstndup5 ай бұрын
Sure, LMT “has it out”, and if you can find a leprechaun, you can easily pick one up at your local gun store
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
If you are a government agency.
@outboardprsnlstndup5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippexactly
@offshoresavage66085 ай бұрын
D.wilson is going to be building MWS barrels in 6.5cm for 14.5 & 16”. Not cheap though
@outboardprsnlstndup5 ай бұрын
@@offshoresavage6608 lol, of course. Granted, they’ll probably be really good
@greysquirrel2685 ай бұрын
Thanks for putting this out there, answered a few questions I’ve been kicking around for a lil bit now
@Clockwork0nions5 ай бұрын
As long as 6.5 Sneedmore is nearly 2x as expensive as .308 near me, it will never make sense to me.
@PureCountryof915 ай бұрын
PSA regularly has it for $1rnd, frequently less. Though, I think it's usually S&B.
@Clockwork0nions5 ай бұрын
@@PureCountryof91 Had any luck with it?
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@Clockwork0nions PMC is good training ammo, 600 yards and in should be fine. That's the bulk ammo I buy as well.
@JulianLares4 ай бұрын
It's been almost always 1:1 or like, 10% more expensive since it's conception
@douglasmilburn38752 ай бұрын
Here in Alaska, comparable loads are comparable in price and often cheaper for 6.5 than for 308 and our ammo prices are not good with how shipping has to be. Pmc xtac m193 is 11.95 for 20 as a reference.
@camoandplaid5 ай бұрын
Great info. Love hearing the theory and seeing some of the validation points behind it. It is hard to beat an accurate, lighter gun that does what .30 cal guns do with less recoil.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I still have your stuff, can you send me an email?
@camoandplaid5 ай бұрын
Of course.
@corruptbanjo275 ай бұрын
MRGG-S program produced the Geissele with a 20" barreled 6.5 creedmoor. MRGG-A kinda fell off with 6.5 creedmoor and a 14.5" barrel. What is less known is Noveske and Geissele have been doing some military testing and producing 6ARC rifles... and 6ARC is recognized by the DoD... Suspicious....... Small framed AR with a 1000 yard effective range. 18" for best for powder burn, 16" for legal reasons with muzzle devices, but also a 14.5 with a HUXWRK Flow 6k. All barrels are about a 1/7 twist.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I have used 16" 6arc out to 1k. I saw the Geissele 14.5" at Shot, they are still coming out with it eventually.
@garrickr50845 ай бұрын
The concept of making shorty versions of calibers that were otherwise originally meant for 20-24 inch barrels is one of my favorite ideas. I always try to go as short as I reasonably can on all of my AR-10 intermediate caliber rifles (.308, 6CM, 6.5CM) because I run all of them suppressed and depending on the cans I'm running, they'll add anywhere from 6in to 11in in additional length beyond the barrel. I also found that the reduction in muzzle velocities for these calibers in shorter barrels weren't drastically different. The .308 is another perfect example of what you're talking about (16in vs. 18in vs. 20in). Even the 12.5 SBR version of the .308 still has respectable(ish) numbers that shooters could easily work with out to 300yrds. Great video, bro. Good timing as well with this larger caliber shorty concept seemingly growing in popularity right now.
@EagleRun235 ай бұрын
I like this. Glad you explored this. Nice work.
@stephonarchambeau20855 ай бұрын
How does this guy not have at least 500,000 subs? Wtf
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
awww
@aaronunterseher16275 ай бұрын
I present the argument... If you're shooting a cartridge from a barrel and you're blowing a fireball out the end of the barrel, then the cartridge you're using is probably not the best suited for the goal in mind... at the very least, the powder in the case isn't correct, but if you're too extreme, even that won't fix it. When you blow half your powder out of the end of the barrel, you're leaving performance on the table... They have cartridges with what you're trying to do in mind the 6.5 grendel, 6mm arc, 22 arc, .224 valk... When you castrate the 6 5 creed down, you're now getting into the realm of what those other MSR cartridges were built for... so why built a rifle that weighs 2 or 3 pounds more on average, with a non standard reciever, with a more violent cartridge.... When considering in a SHTF way of thinking, .308 and 556 will still be the most prevalent ammunition type and hold the most value long term
@coyote.precision.tactical5 ай бұрын
Lol I saw the title and thought it was mine hahaha. Badass little build man.
@Peezy714215 ай бұрын
I Stan the 6.5 Creedmoor. Its BC and overall ballistic profile is awesome!
@wtdconcepts5 ай бұрын
I like that your breaking the norm! Very cool idea and I imagine we will see more of this in the market.
@BoF3085 ай бұрын
Just to add to the discourse, I have a 14.5" CM Craddock barrel converted for my LMT. Handloading I'm at 2600 fps with a 130gr ELD M using Varget. Best 5 shot load was 0.35". Ballistics wise this stays supersonic to a mile at my range's elevation. Can get 2700 fps with 130 gr using RL 26, but it's never in stock. Burn % is 100% for Varget, 94% for RL 26.
@gocraiger5 ай бұрын
I have been contemplating this build. Glad to see I’m not the only one. Got a fair share of side eye looks when I mentioned it. 😂
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
people love to hate.
@Hoplopfheil5 ай бұрын
M80 ball is a psyop to trick you into thinking 308 is a good cartridge.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
nuh uh
@MultiSycorax5 ай бұрын
Love the idea, makes more and more sense to me instead of a 308 ar10
@J_Un1t5 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with large frames is how much recoil there is within the system. Not like pain, but like the 1lb bolt and buffer going all over the place. It makes them a lot tougher to shoot accurately for long strings. I have a 16” 6.5 creed bolt gun I love, people don’t give shorty creeds credit but it’s a great combo.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I have some tricks up my sleeve for reducing recoil.
@J_Un1t5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp what I was trying to say is it’s not as much about recoil as it is about the whole system having a massive weight shifting back and forth. It’s doable, it’s just you have to be perfectly on your game all the time IME if you’re shooting precision stuff. I still like them, it’s just something I’ve personally noticed with the large gassers
@MM-kv8ly5 ай бұрын
Love that paint job. Planning on something similar if I can work up the courage to rattle can a rifle.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
do it.
@burritoman27275 ай бұрын
A lot of people have a small brain where this is concerned. “Long barrel long range”. They need to actually look at some velocity charts. Going from 16” to 24” a 147 grain round only gains about 150 fps. That’s a lot of barrel for a little extra velocity. 6.5 cm is a short barrel performer, but people don’t do the math.
@Mrgunsngear5 ай бұрын
🇺🇸
@lwilson12345 ай бұрын
The CM DEFINITELY shines with the longer barrels(24"-26"etc.). I cut, threaded and recrowned my 26" heavy barrel down to 18" and have been running it out past 1000 yds to great effect. Just depends on what YOU need your rifle for and what distances you NEED to reach out to.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
100%
@imberaeris67685 ай бұрын
Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense! Great video!
@Tech_1085 ай бұрын
I just got my Ar10 lower last month to start a 14.5 6.5creed build! Good video!
@C-M-E5 ай бұрын
Interesting. I had no idea velocity was rather negligible on 6.5 Creed between barrel lengths, rather than the more oft reference 150fps per inch. In that light, the compact nature of your build gets an extra bump for field duty.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
It's really good actually out of short barrels.
@fixedG5 ай бұрын
This kinda reminds me of a question I posed years ago where I asked if I should choose the then-newish 6.5 Creedmoor for its better external ballistics or, with the understanding that my ranges would be short, pick a .308 for better terminal ballistics. But it's a false assumption that .308 is any better terminally. With modern projectiles, choosing the .308 just leaves you with inferior ballistics at every range and no positive delta terminally. The only possible advantage is cheap M80 ammo. Literally every other metric goes in 6.5's favor at any range and with any barrel length.
@ThrashTillDeth855 ай бұрын
And as much as I like 308 the main problem on the civilian side is that M80 is drying up and getting harder to find. It's almost not worth getting over other rounds due to it being almost as expensive
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That is where I am at as well.
@JetorgXIII5 ай бұрын
I personally find this concept incredibly interesting and I'm curious to see what your eventual build comes out to be later on.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I am going to continue to build it out.
@PureCountryof915 ай бұрын
I was just thinking about this again. Ive gotta email Adams arms to see if they'll finally sell a 6.5 upper, now that PSA is almost done getting the G2 ready to ship.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That would be a cool setup.
@PureCountryof914 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp for sure. The piston system is light in them and they have some very slick, sturdy rails. 8# .308/6.5 rifles with adjustable gas pistons. Hopefully you can get a sample, since the company does work with a handful of guntubers
@pathickey40444 ай бұрын
Well great now you've got me listing my 20" 308 and ammo on armslist so I can look into a 6.5 creed build. Will probably go 16 just so I don't have to worry about P&W or brace vs stock. I didn't realize 6.5 creed was that reasonably priced for the non match grade stuff. Great video as always man
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@pathickey40444 ай бұрын
@FocusTripp I got to checking out your website and was curious if you have any kind of timeline when either the 14.1" or 18" 6.5 creedmor battle rifle uppers might come back in stock? I signed up for the notification alerts but if it's going to be months for the next batch to be ready I might just build an upper. Thanks
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
@@pathickey4044 it might be a month. If you want something now though we can always do that
@pathickey40444 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp ok great, I guess go through the Contact tab on your site? Would a silencerco ASR flash hider or muzzle brake bring that 14.1" barrel up to length so as not to concern certain entities, cough cough wink wink
@righteousone84545 ай бұрын
I don't own either 308 or 6.5, but watching trajectory of ballistics on each, 6.5 Creedmor is SUBSTANTIALLY better in trajectory 6.5 slaps steel so much harder at same distances The flatness of trajectory on 6.5 is perhaps the best out AR10 mag rifles, before you step up to bolt guns like 338 Lapua and such, but I have no experience with those calibers 6.5 Grendel is worse than 308 though. 6.5 Creedmoor is special It is also for people with money. 6.5 Creedmoor is more expensive, and your barrel life is only 2500-3000 rounds (before substantial accuracy degradation). 308 wins here, and 308 trajectory is surprisingly flat, not as flat as 6.5 Creedmoor Creedmoor is one of these recent trends that is actually grounded in reality. It is actually an amazing caliber It is also testament to how great 308 is, because it's like 1.5 tiers below 6.5 Creedmoor, and Creedmoor is recent
@philliptruong91305 ай бұрын
Thank you for making me regret getting my 308... lol
@K-bob_455 ай бұрын
Never
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
being good is going to make a bigger difference than slight ballistic improvements.
@philliptruong91305 ай бұрын
Roger that!
@Arkancide5 ай бұрын
What about terminal ballistics? I was under the impression that 6.5 was better for hitting targets at extreme ranges, but that the .308 had better terminal ballistics out to 600ish yards. Mind you this is from my research prior to this year, when I got an AR10 finally. Great choice of music by the way, love Mass Effect.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I think that is down to better .30cal bullets. most 6.5c bullets are target focused.
@ChadCooper035 ай бұрын
Wow, really interesting insight there. The only other trade off I could think off, in addition to barrel life, is potential terminal performance? Whenever I’ve seen the difference between 6.5 vs .308 hunting bullets opening up, for example, the 308 bullet is massive comparatively. But if you can’t hit what you’re aiming at, I guess that doesn’t matter as much 😂
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I think that is partially true. .30 cal bullets do have better selection though, 6.5c is still lagging behind in that department.
@ChadCooper035 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippyea that’s a good point. Thanks for the ideas though, been watching for a while, great stuff.
@joquin46185 ай бұрын
Good concept. Wish you’d suppressed that 14.5”. !!! The things is, I already have a stockpile of 308, getting into another caliber project sucks right now. BTW, AAC AMMO has 150gr .308 for $14.50 per box. I’ve been getting IGMAN 308 for $14 a box when it’s available at target 🎯 sports USA. You’re not looking hard enough for affordable 308. Both calibers can get quite expensive.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I have, it will be in the video for sure. True about ammo though, I am getting my 6.5 within $1 of .308.
@Peezy714215 ай бұрын
Yo, Daniel Defense has chrome lined Cold Hammer Forged barrel that is SUPERBLY accurate. My DD5 in 6.5 Creedmoor is .5MOA. So reduced barrel life isn’t a problem with the chrome lining and the toughness of a CHF barrel.
@habibifather76815 ай бұрын
Good stuff, bro. 👍
@zacharycastor79672 ай бұрын
Intro for this one is siiiiiccclkkkk! 😊
@milesrost66745 ай бұрын
ARGG "All Range Gas Gun" - Jon circa 2024 Makes me want to talk like a pirate too, ARGG matey. lol I don't hear you speak too often if ever about triggers? What are you using in that setup? Thanks man.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Aye aye, I had to return a couple of triggers so the trigger in this video isnt here anymore. Right now I am using a Schmidt 2-stage, a G2s, and a RA 140 are my main go to triggers right now
@milesrost66745 ай бұрын
Thanks man I appreciate the candidness!@@FocusTripp
@USMCPFC15 ай бұрын
This is interesting, never bothered looking at 6.5 Creedmoor, always thought you needed like 20"+ barrel. I just got done fine tuning my 10.3" 300 blackout and was thinking about a 16" 308 next. You gave me something to think about 🤔
@beardoe68745 ай бұрын
It's kind of funny but my first 6.5 Creedmoor was a 24". Since then I've gotten a 26", a 22", a 20" (barrel that i haven't built up) and an 18". The 26" is a bolt gun, the 24" is my version of a match style AR, the 22" is lighter and more battle rifle-ish and the 18" is a detachable buffer tube backpack gun. I don't see the point in hamstringing a cartridge with a short barrel just because it still kind of compares favorably against something else. You also based your comparison upon shooting ballistics but ignored terminal ballistics. Looking at your first comparison, you had a 120 grain 6.5 going around 2,600 fps. That sounds an awful lot like 6.5 Grendle. I don't know the exact number but I think a LR308 platform is about 1.5" longer than an AR15 with the same barrel length so your gun is the same size as a 16" AR15 except it's heavier, the ammo is heavier, the magazines are physically a lot larger but they hold less rounds. Now I'm not a fan of 6.5 Grendle and i don't think it's a .308 substitute like it was marketed so i think your 6.5 Creedmoor isn't a .308 substitute either. It's when you go to longer barrels and heavier bullets where 6.5 Creedmoor shines but even then you have to look at what you are shooting at. If you are hunting game animals, the terminal performance reduces the effective range well below the accurate range. If you are aiming at a steel helmet you still need enough velocity to punch through and I'm not sure if my 22" 6.5 Creedmoor has enough velocity at 1,000 yards to get through. If it's paper you are shooting at, my 26" can probably get out to 1,500+ yards but the flight time and velocity make it only suitable for soft and stationary targets. I like to hit what I aim at and shoot 1,000 yards so I like 6.5 Creedmoor a lot but it's only a marginal improvement over .308 if you exclude target shooting from the comparison. When you shorten the barrel to the point that the target shooting advantage almost disappears, all of the other advantages are gone too.
@alexgavieres82935 ай бұрын
This would be a lot of fun coupled with some of that new Hornady V-Match 100gn ammo!
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I did get a bunch of new match loads in to test. Haven't shot anything superight yet though
@ericalbers48675 ай бұрын
One big issue with it being 6.5 CM is that it's an AR10 platform so right off the bat its heavier. 6mm ARC, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, and 6.8/277 Fury are all AR15 platforms with extremely good ballistics. You'll also have more ammo which beats any benefit from 6.5 CM. If you need to reach out to 800+ meters or even just 600, go with a dedicated DMR. 16" would be the minimum on those and that's pushing it depending on the round. That extra 1.5" simply isn't enough to fuss over. We still had 20" barrels on my first deployment and managed just fine. The difference from 20 down to 14.5 was a lot. 16 down to 14.5 just isn't noteworthy othsr than looks. Ballistically theres a difference though and 16" barrels are a perfect middle ground. Also while the 6.5 CM can hit a target at 950 meters.. whats the energy it's hitting with, especially from a 14.5" barrel? Why not argue for 270 Winchester? Its ballistics and energy on target are better than both at range. So is the 277 Fury which again, is the lighter AR15 platform and allows your to carry far more ammo. Ammo count is king. Hitting a target at 1000 meters isn't. Most engagements take place sub 100 meters. Most sniper and DMR shots are 300 meters or less. If we're looking at more of a SHTF scenario, youre not engaging anyone at 600+ meters. Hell, not anything past 200-250 in all but the most extreme situations. You should be simply returning suppressive fire while getting the fuck out of there. So outside of "hey neat, look what I can do" which i can appreciate, there's no useful purpose for this setup.
@dennisdavid95885 ай бұрын
First time I’ve ever heard anyone say 6.5CM could get 5k rounds on a barrel, I usually hear 2500-3k rounds before groups start to open up. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, I’d love to see my barrels last longer.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Usually they are using a SS barrel.
@K-bob_455 ай бұрын
I’d still go 308 every time. Cheaper ball ammo, you might luck into some AP specialty rounds, and the 168/175 SMK’s are dinosaur bullets. The 185 berger load, the 169 smk Winchester load, or any other loading using a modern bullet narrows the already narrow performance gap.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Ball ammo is pretty similar at least for me. The bigger difference is always going to be personal skill and proper deployment.
@prylosecorsomething31945 ай бұрын
While i understand what you're saying, I would like to remind you that theres a reason hunters call it 6.5 woundmoor. When it comes to wound channels and actually putting an animal down it simply does not compete with other full caliber rifles.
@RumblestripDotNet5 ай бұрын
That has more to do with the quality of bullets than the caliber. Everyone seems the have found 6.5x55 Sweed as the new retro hotness, yet it balistically identical. The Sweeds have been killing moose with it for a century.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Bullet selection is better on .30
@memph1ston5 ай бұрын
I have watched zero seconds of this video so far so lol idk if I'm off base here. BUT I was talking about this exact concept to a friend ~2-3 years ago. I said that there was a niche here (I called it the "Super-SPR") and he told me I was dumb, why not .308 instead. My argument was that 6.5 does everything .308 does, but with better range and less recoil. Now it's almost cheaper.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Ahead of the curve
@memph1ston5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I had some advanced warning, I had seen an MRGG submission "in the flesh". Once you've got the rest of the parts you want, are you going to keep that optic? I spec'd out the NX8 2.5x-20 for a similar build.
@protectpersevere20305 ай бұрын
Awesome video man. One day I’ll get into the long range game
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
it's fun but expensive.
@JinkxSoldga5 ай бұрын
Makes a WHOLE lot of sense with 120gr rounds. Get that velo back with less gr due to shorter barrel. Not to mention SAWC for same amount of ammo vs 168gr 308 has to equate to ALOT of weight difference. Makes even more sense if you reload since the 120gr will be cheaper than 140gr simply because its a smaller bullet and less material. I imagine assuming brass already on hand could load for .40-60 per round Fascinating use case here!!
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Not sure about handloading, but yes I would like to keep the velocity up.
@CalzaTheFox5 ай бұрын
Might explain why SOCOM has been looking at 6.5 Creed guns to tinker with instead of .308 counterparts. They can deal with reduced barrel life in exchange for the wealth of benefits.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
barrels are cheap compared to the ammo.
@rdsii645 ай бұрын
If I were to go down this road, I would do it with a 16 inch barrel. That way I don't have to pin and weld the muzzle device to avoid the tax stamp.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Honestly that is the better route for 99% of people.
@paulnapalan73105 ай бұрын
I haven't been able to find any info on modern barrel life for a 6.5 creedmoor. Everything I see is still like 3k rounds. Who makes such durable barrels?
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Most barrel light is quoted with 416, mine is 4150
@jazon95 ай бұрын
Short barrel 6.5 creed (SOCOM for this program use 130gr ammo) it is the same concept behinde US Army NGSW program. BUT, hot new ammo 6.8 x 51 give better performance from 13" barrel.
@LB-dq2fd5 ай бұрын
Great concept. I like it! Will you be building these and have available on your site? If so, when?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Yes most likely. Probably 1-2 months.
@mtnbound27645 ай бұрын
excellent points!
@dustinshaw24195 ай бұрын
I had Deadshot build me a 7.62x 39 h-profile w/straight fluting. 3000 rounds and still under moa with bulk brass.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Good to hear.
@nice_bnuuy5 ай бұрын
Personally would not use this rifle because I don't want to go broke buying 6.5 creedmoor D:
@raykettel18375 ай бұрын
I bought a .223 bolt action rifle (it can safely shoot 5.56) not long before the Oct 2023 price spike on 223/556. I thought I was getting .223 rifle for less expensive practice for up to 500 yards at my gun club. 500 yard is the limit there. After prices went up I bought the same rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. Looking at heavier grain 223/556 it seemed that the price of that ammo did not go up much, if any, while X-Tac went from 410 a case before to 480 now and Winchester went from 380 a case with no rebate to over 500 now. With 5.56 77 gr IMI at 91+ CPR, S&B 140 FMJ prices looks good. But the S&B is not match grade and Hornady Match is 1.50 or more per round but then I could look at other match grade 223/556 that would be 1.50 to over 2.00 a round. Winchester 55 gr 5.56 was about 31 CPR after 25% rebate that expired at the end of September. That ammo may be full power spec M193 it does not group as well for many as PMC X-Tac may.
@a.joegevara35194 ай бұрын
I have 2 bolt guns; both 16" in 308 & 6.5, and then 2 gas guns; both 16" in 308 & 6.5...
@jagx2345 ай бұрын
I can't see a normal Joe Blow being able to make use of the better long range capabilities of 6.5C over .308 My *opinion* is 18" 308 if you want a battle rifle, 14.5-16 5.56 if you want less recoil and lighter weight.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That's the thing, even at shorter ranges why wouldn't you want a shorter, lighter, less recoiling, and still easier to make hits system?
@joquin46185 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippuse 556 with 77 gr 🤷🏻♂️
@albundy74595 ай бұрын
I agree. Trying to find something that covers that much distance seems like an answer to a question that doesn’t exist.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@joquin4618 Sure that is a great option for most people.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@albundy7459 Well it's a theory/concept gun not for general purpose. But I get what you mean.
@Icybones0005 ай бұрын
To me, it makes no sense to have a 6.5 in a shorter barrel. Under 500yrds, the 308 trumps 6.5 creedmore ballistics. Makes sense for 308 shorter barrel as a battle rifle, but if you want to use the full potential of the 6.5 creedmore, you will be using it out to farther distances with a longer barrel lenth which gives its imressive velocity and accuracy. Otherwise, why even waste time? You are handicapping the round, and 308 is so much more plentiful. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, 8in 556 barrel, all marketing.😂 Do your homework ppl.
@terrarecon5 ай бұрын
I pretty much agree with everything you said except the, "do your homework bit." The snarky end comment was unnecessary. That being said, let's be honest. The 5.56 was intended to be used in a 20" barrel. Look at all of the popular 5.56 SBRs below 16". People learn shit by doing things outside of the box, same as shoving a 308 into a 5.56 case to make 300BLK. That is the quintessential essence of doing homework. He's exploring things to determine what else can be done with the 6.5CM. Personally, I think your argument makes more sense to me than his. But then again, it's his money, his time, and his YT channel.
@Icybones0005 ай бұрын
@terrarecon 1st off, you can interept how you want, but it doesn't make your interpretation correct. You seem to take things on a personal level when what is said has nothing to do with anything you said, "smirky," comment.😂 2nd, the 300 blk out may be the same diameter as 308 but is a much shorter bullet length with a necked up 5.56 casing, so no, they are not the same. 3rd if people can post videos, " his YT channel," then they have to be open and are free game for all comments whether you, him, her, they like it or not, and we can agree or agree to disagree. 4th again just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, which was directed at anything that people or corporations try pushing on uneducated people like it is the next best thing to slice bread, it is called marketing and they like to make up alot of hype around it to make sales. So I'am not insinuating this guy is being unethical, but their are alot of paid endorser on YT pushing trash to people who don't know any better and recieve all their informed information from them, they got to be right, they have a YT channel and many followers, how is it that they can be wrong. Last, stay in your lane because you had no place to respond to something that was being said, that was accurate, or do you? Guess telling people to be informed and educated themselves was a trigger for you. last he is doing bothing new that hasn't been tried before him, he is trying to see if it is viable enough for his own standards and can he produce a reliable rifle others may want. Sure you can, they have a 5.56 ear blasting handicapped 7.5in barrel you can use if that what floats your boat, but there are much better options out their, ppl just choose to ignore them. No one can fix stupid. Have a nice day.🙂
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@Icybones000 People can be snarky :)
@BirdseyeVu5 ай бұрын
Along the same line of reasoning…compare 18-20” 5.56 to 14.5” 6ARC. These newer cartridges have the ballistic advantages over their predecessors…we just can’t afford to feed them.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Sure, I have a 16" 6 ARC that was a 1000 yard gun.
@braedench5 ай бұрын
Man, mass effect 1 main menu ost? Good taste
@oritaylor87935 ай бұрын
Dude that paint job is incredible. Can you post a tutorial vid?
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Maybe, it's pretty easy.
@Discov1105 ай бұрын
Aye you finally put your muzzle device right side up lol
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I learned from being bullied.
@AJ-js1vm5 ай бұрын
I wonder how this would do against a 14.5" 6mm Max???? The 6mm Max is even lighter since it is an AR15 platform. I would love to see a sis by side comparison!
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I would love to have one lol.
@ThePatriotParadox5 ай бұрын
Nice looking and well thought out over all build..... Was going to get a .308 bolt action, but why when I can get a much shorter, handier, bolt action 6.5, and have it as a special hunting/long distance rifle. But now that 6.5 gas gun is looking better with barrel changes also easier
@roscoep10825 ай бұрын
So. because you lose so much velocity, you ought to consider the 120-129g projectiles, my favorite being the 123g SST. Basically now you are doing what a longer 6.5 Grendel is doing. Other thing to consider is the absolute necessity of an adjustable gas block and tuned buffer system. I did this in the past with the 260 Remington. That being said, I am now shooting a 18" noveske 6mm arc where I dont lose sight picture from recoil impulse.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
6.5 grendel + 300FPS
@handroids19815 ай бұрын
First of all, _how dare you!_ Second, go on...
@TheOuroborosWyrm5 ай бұрын
I'll say this: I'm less skeptical of the concept than when I first clicked on the video.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Hey glad to hear.
@itsamk18-ish5 ай бұрын
Im hand loading match grade 308 for about $8 a box and getting very good performance from my 16” 308 gas gun. I plan on getting a 6.5 bolt gun at some point and start loading for it,when i do I’ll probably build another upper in 6.5.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
hey, that sounds great.
@itsamk18-ish5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp yeah… i never even had the thought until seeing your 6.5 videos….. thanks man 🙄😂😂😂
@LyleH-135 ай бұрын
some people have a hard time doing things with products outside of what marketing departments told them they are supposed to do with products
@thephilosopherdiabetes5 ай бұрын
Would the peak of this thinking be something like the DT Wolverine in 6.5creed with a 20”? Assuming willingness to switch to bullpup and of course, money
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I think they are sending me one, so yes.
@coyote.precision.tactical5 ай бұрын
I'm just waiting for Jon to roast my upper . 😂😂😂😂 I want to see how competent of a builder I am. Plus I'm a sucker for critique.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
I think it gets here Wednesday
@coyote.precision.tactical5 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp yes sir.
@lucusallen425 ай бұрын
Duude what were you specs on the dead shot barrel
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Video to come sir
@lucusallen425 ай бұрын
😬can’t wait
@CaveLife6525 ай бұрын
Cool concept. I have stuck with 308 thus far cause I have a few spare boxes sitting around (just a few) but I've considered building a 6.5 creed. My biggest problem is i dont get to the range enough to justify building an upper right now. 😢
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
.308 is still good man, it's a slight upgrade in some scenarios.
@CaveLife6525 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I still have a good time shooting .308 and it's so common that you can find it in most gas stations in Montana. However, it turns out owning any caliber doesn't get you to the range more often. Since I now have three kids under 3 the best I can do is make it to the indoor pistol range for an hour once a week.
@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.5 ай бұрын
Can you believe the UTG 1-8x28 is $200 now on Amazon ? 😆👍
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That's too bad.
@Osprey19945 ай бұрын
I want one of the Dissipator uppers so bad 😭. Unfortunately I chose this past week to switch pistol platforms. I put off moving away from the PDP for so long (PDP won't get ditched immediately, need to give the replacement a chance to prove itself).
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Sell it.
@raykettel18375 ай бұрын
I was surprised to hear your barrel life estimates. Reddit group posters would say 1/2 your estimate at best. Worst case for competitive shooter would be more like 1000 rounds before they would replace but I thing the highest estimate was 5,000 for 6.5 Creedmoor and maybe 10,000 for 308. Everyone has their own opinion. Others also point out as you did much higher cost of ammo to reach end of life of a barrel. The S&B 140 gr FMJ is the long 6.5 Creedmoor the only worthwhile round that is below $1 a round. Other S&B rounds and other brands all cost over $1. I considered 308 for bolt action but went with 6.5 Creedmoor for lower recoil. I agree 308 does not have the cost advantage it once had.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
Most of the 6.5 barrels on the market are 416, mine is 4150
@30wrdy5 ай бұрын
I’ve heard similar to what you are saying, however I do remember reading about numerous 308s in excess of 10k
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
@@30wrdy .308s can last forever.
@ingram07745 ай бұрын
Interesting concept. I wonder how light you could get a package with that much power.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
probably 7ish pounds depending on barrel.
@p.j.garcia68362 ай бұрын
SOCOM must’ve watched this
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I stole it from them
@coltenrhoades39925 ай бұрын
You put all off these numbers together and didn't even think about mentioning foot pounds of energy? I bet it changes the story. A lot.
@taylorfreeman55045 ай бұрын
Thanks again man! I’m going to skip the 6 arc build after seeing this.
@N238E5 ай бұрын
Damn you REALLY like Mass Effect.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
yeah, and?
@MrTappers75 ай бұрын
Holy crap is that Vigil from ME1 as the bgm?
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
yessir.
@SnapD245 ай бұрын
As long as I have 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel, I really don't see the need for an AR10 platform rifle at all.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That's completely fair for 99% of people.
@Mike-xi4zt5 ай бұрын
I would go the no nfa no tax stamp 16 inch route.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
That is better for most people.
@thatoneguy454c5 ай бұрын
None for me thanks lol. I am not going below 20 inches with a 6.5 CM. There is just not enough energy left at that point for long range engagement. With a 20-22 inch barrel at 1000 yards a 143 grai ELD X is still going to carry about 600-700 ish ftlbs.
@iamFlopez5 ай бұрын
Any thoughts on the 6MAX from SOLGW?
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
If it works, awesome.
@michaels52105 ай бұрын
Please let me know when 6.8 fury dies. I’ve never wanted big army to be so wrong(although to be fair the XM250 seems a lot more promising than the XM7)
@reciprocal98495 ай бұрын
Interesting analysis. I just don't want another caliber outlier. I guess it depends on what you want to do but I'm just not interested.
@FocusTripp5 ай бұрын
fair enough.
@mobilegamersunite5 ай бұрын
Great idea, until you can't find ammo
@georgewhitworth97425 ай бұрын
6.5 Creedmore is everywhere though, at least in my area