Yeah I agree I used to have a really crappy family all in one and 2 years ago I played an old record with my new system and it’s sooo darn good! I could not get enough of it.

*Plus* The One thing Records can do that no other media can, is they can be played without Electricity! It's what makes ANALOG Unique among the many advancements. IF ELECTRICITY Disappeared, it's possible to make mechanical Players that will PLAY what is on the RECORDS and I hate losing MUSIC because I didn't have cash for everything in life!

@@keplermission4947 You'll have to excuse me because I honestly don't know much about audio at all. I just really like listening to music. My dad's stuff (it's mine now, I guess? lol) is a Marantz 2220B and a JVC QL-A5 turntable with an Empire 400TC cartridge. Super old, but it sounds great to me! And it was free!

@@keplermission4947 If you listen to Rolling Stones from that time period it will have the same F.R. no matter what format. The limitation was the tape decks of the time. NOT vinyl! Vinyl itself can go out to 60Khz as used for CD4. Try to get that F.R. on a CD or any digital format. And those electric parts inside you know from the '70's that the Voyager spacecrafts still use? Yes parts CAN and many DO deteriorate. But to claim it is 100% and you have to be lying to claim it still sounds good? SAD! Now please explain how stereo separation can only be artificial when it is actually being heard.

@@rossalthor Don't let some digital fan boy stop you from enjoying equipment that was made better than most of the junk sold today!

Agree in album art etc but will stick to my massive collection of cds and multi ch SACD DVD A AND Blue Ray music. I still own that and off grid. I only stream to seek out music I want in my collection. Nothing like a top loading vacuum tube cd player and my legacy focus se powered with my iV 2 AMP AT 1000WPC @ 4 ohms!

That's a perfect description. When I discovered CD way back end 80's beginning 90's I found CD-listening to be enervating, for just the same reason.

Same 🤣

I do not want to participate in digital platforms exploiting artists and profiting massively from it. The explanation for the Apple logo can be found in Genesis chapters 2 and 3.

This is ONLY for the cool kids…

Hahaha, good point sir.👍

The next hot shit ?? Mechanical typewriters … so much cooler than Microsoft Word. And so so much more fun to fiddle around with…

Just my thoughts!

Overaged , almost rotten fruit …

Put me down for everything he jus said!

I think the difference is everybody got into home theater 6.1 7.1 and so on digitized sterile. So forgotten was (High Fidelity)

Same here, all of it. Never.thought I’d be back but here I am. Additionally, sound bars are so good now I am moving away from home theater systems to pure two channel music systems.

records ... shoes ... pick your poison

@@keplermission4947 Do you name your streaming device when you tell folks the music you're listening to? 🙄

Even now people debate cd vs streaming

I personally prefer vinyl. I guess because it’s not perfect. But I love CDs and their portability as far as listening in the car is a huge plus over cassettes.

I feel no need to join that debate. Each medium has it's time and place to enjoy it. I own around 2300 vinyl titles some of them I bought in the late sixties. And I still listen to them regularly. But I also own a serious collection of CD's and have a server with a huge collection of flac albums. And in my car I listen to Spotify.

CD's don't really have all that much to with anything, it's "digital"

Why would someone have two turntables? Why would you pay hideous cartridge $.Put a cd into a player, forget your hiss and pop, forget your interrupted get up and flip your black floppy vinyl over, take another sniff as you Vinyl heads get your kicks from, and enjoy the sounds. Yea right. Move on. We here at the real in 2021 world have a new idea. Put a CD into a tray, ahhhhhhh. Kick back and enjoy the whole album on cd. Light up and enjoy.

I bet that Roksan is worth real money! Best of luck to you. 🧡

Good for you!

"Harmonic Distortion"? You mean, LP has LESS of it than digital! Digital distortion increases A FULL ORDER OF MAGNITUDE for every 20db drop in the recording level. Loud sounds within 20db of the "0 VU/db" maximum recording/output level have less THD in digital formats, true. But at levels below -20db, LP's, cassette tape for that matter! have LOWER DISTORTION than 16-bit digital. That's why low-level sounds literally "disappear" in digital formats, & why LP's, EVEN OF DIGITAL RECORDINGS(!), have more detail & sound far more realistic. What has 0.005%THD @ 0VU has 0.5%THD @ -40db. Feh! Analog format distortion drops dramatically with decreases in level AND KEEPS DECREASING whereas with digital it KEEPS INCREASING (-60db is 5%THD with 16 bit digital !!!😛). Even LP will have like, 1/100th the THD at those low levels! Which may approach the subliminal at that level, just barely above the noise floor. But God is in the details. No wonder digital sounds SOULLESS! You have chosen convenience over fidelity. Enjoy!

@@joerosen5464 what an extraordinary rant, I had no desire to trigger anyone. Whilst I can see you have a strong preference I do wander why you are so vitriloic in your opposition for what is the recording medium of choice for the vast majority of commercial studios. I just enjoy excellent music and dont begrudge anyone enjoying music their way.

@@joerosen5464 what a crock of shit ....you try to use static evidence and ignore the rest what makes vinyl outdated and FAR FROM superior.

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Led Zepp. Curse you autocorrect!

@@keplermission4947 why are you being a tool?

@@keplermission4947 Happy to share. Main System Gear · Denon DP2550A turntable with Micro Seiki MA505 tonearm and Audio Technica AT450 cartridge (connected to Schiit Mani) · Pioneer PL41 turntable with Audio Technica VM610MONO cartridge (connected to SA3 internal phono preamp) · Schiit Mani phono preamp · IOTAVX SA3/PA3 amp stack (dual mono configuration) · Triangle Borea BR03 standmount speakers · Schiit Bifrost 2 DAC · Chromecast Audio streaming device (optical to Bifrost 2) · Lenovo Windows 10 PC (USB to Bifrost 2) w/ 15 Tbs for audio/video files · Massdrop THX AAA 789 Linear headphone amp · Massdrop Alex Cavalli Liquid Carbon X headphone amp · TCL Roku 42” TV (optical to SA3 internal DAC) · Sony DVD/CD player (coaxial to SA3 internal DAC) · Morrow Audio interconnects · Software:: MusicBee, BubbleUP, Spotify Connect, others · Headphones: o Massdrop Sennheiser HD6XX balanced o Thinksound ON2 o Dekoni Blue by Fostex o Massdrop Koss Porta-Pro X o Philips Audio Fidelio X2HR o SIVGA SV006 o Status Audio OB1 o Status Audio CB1 o Anker Soundcore Life Q20 Hybrid ANC wireless o Avantree Audition Pro aptX Low Latency wireless o An equal number of IEMs (Status Audio, Thinksound, Hifiman, etc)

Cool story.

You have learned your lesson! Vinyl forever!

In 20 years, people will be complaining of the PITA of having to line up a track in iTunes and pressing play, or choosing the song from a playlist. Or putting the cd in the tray, pressing play, or pressing skip button a couple of times to find their favourite track. People are idiots.

@@snakeobias Hopefully I won't be around to witness that era. I didn't switch from vinyl to streaming. I got rid of my high end turntable (an Oracle at the time) and vinyl records, then listened to radio and had friends make tapes for me that I would listen to on a very entry level system. Then one day I walked into an audio shop and heard some good jazz playing on a very nice system but couldn't figure out where/what the source was until the shop owner pointed to a tiny device called a Squeezebox. I ordered one immediately and subsequently my first high end system in over 20 years. I've since moved on but that little black box was responsible for getting me back into hi-fi and music like never before.

@@snakeobias dude iTunes IS a massive pita anyway... That's why I vowed never to use any computing device for audio ever again. I'm a record guy all the way

@@mikemcguinness1304 yeah, I won't disagree with you there. I think I need to get away from the iPhone/ipad hold Apple has over my listening habits. The new Music application is terrible

The whole thing is a complete pain in the arse and expensive. The whole ‘holographic stereo image realism’ thing is a load of bollocks as well - the thing is trying to reproduce two discrete channels of audio from one groove using one stylus - the sound people crave is just euphonic distortion. Bought myself a rather nice technics 110 a while ago to revisit my old vinyl and it’s seldom used. Have moved on from distortion, sibilance and most of all lack of dynamic range and don’t want to go back. New vinyl is also crap - suspect due to being brick walled for digital and just turned down for vinyl pressing. So what choice - worn out second hand old material or inferior new. I just want an age of hi res digital, with ganFET amps and active dsp to sort out my room - good job it’s already here (better start saving up!).

Listen to your voice. Your passion. Your gut instincts. That the best way to come to a decision.

yeah before streaming it's tough to imagine referring to the "work" of putting a record on

Its not for the lazy guys

but when one use the same turntable that is at home since 1974 in Africa then in late 75 at home in Portugal and several cds sound worse than the vinil record to the point of not even like the songs as released on cd with a high-end cd player to listen ,the dozens of lp´s that one took care off to the point of not hearing a single out of the recording sound i think that keep listening to the records i stoped buying in 1993 with perfect sound one should question if cds are that good that not being able to reproduce mainly analog instruments as most of the bands that play analog instruments kept recording till today in analog recording devices that most of the good studios kept using or they would decrease the quality of the recording . I really think that records are very good as in quality of sound not refering to the new releases of vinil that i bought one to substitute a late 70´s record and the first thing i notice was a hiss inbetween tracks but not all i also have hundreds of cds that i bought since 93 not earlier because when to choose to buy a lp in cd or two in vinil i kept choosing vinil and i do use digital but saying its bad , no just one more format but what was lost was the record itself had covers that one could see the work to doing that possible and reading the words of the songs that with cds i have them bought in early 90´s that still today i never took of the inlay pappers to read litle printed texts this not refering the lost art of having beautifull covers that some bands try to make the cds as atractive as all old covers but that´s only a couple of bands, i also have a technics turntable with direct drive and both since new have been working without giving any problem the maintenance is easy and made from more than a decade to decade, the stylus if used correctelly are also good for a lot of years as the belt for my 74 turntable , the 76 technics ,even i feel amazed with the quality of it no need for a new engine since 76, but for those who had high-end stereos and bought lp´s as they were coming out but after listening they put one on top of the other this on top of a speasker, for those cds were a real fantastic improvement but when damaged not one song they could listen while a record can sound worse but one can hear it not like cds but i teach some to clean those unplayable cds as if they were cleaning dishes and 90% of them would start to play again, just not one better than the other but both complement the problems of each format, it´s only my opinion i use all the formats released till today except the DCC ,the DAT i had the first sony at home but it´s expensive but without a doubt the best digital format for regular users but expensive as hell ,never bought one, also some new expensives turntables are a laugh, and when someone is spending a fortune in a new cartridge and stylus first i would try a amplifier with a good phono stage, that 99% of the 70´s receivers or integrated amplifiers have, so in reality not for lazy guys as other already comented mr.geddy geddy (Rush, also a band that their old lps are much better sounding in vinil compared to the cd) and basically resumes all i´ve said, regards

i forget to say that moist and excessive heat are the enemy of vinil records

@@RUfromthe40s I do remember turning a Men at Work album into a candy dish by leaving it in a semi-hot car one day.

@@keplermission4947 you know. You know. You know You know. You know.

What's the percent that goes to the artist for either Vinyl or CDs? (I'm assuming it's the same for both formats but maybe not) From what I've read for Spotify streams it's around $0.003 to $0.008 depending on the artist.

@@garrybayford5734 I was talking about older records. The ones that original owners sold for pennies at a yard sale and which traders would now like to sell you for $200.

@@keplermission4947 might be true.

As long as you are happy is all that matters. The worst trap you can fall into is buying into the obsession of vinyl v CD audiophile debates, oh i better upgrade my cartridge, oh now I need a better this or that. First world problems. Enjoy your music. You haven't missed anything. I have heard both, grew up with vinyl. I don't miss it. Here is a fun fact. I also took part in many blind tests. Back in 2012-13 we orchestrated a vinyl v digital blind test. The digital file had been tempered with by my self to make it more analogue sounding, i did various bits of processing, the vinyl had simply been burned to digital beforehand, the equipment was left in the hands of capable engineers, whereas I did the software processing. Everyone failed the blind test, they couldn't hear the difference. Digital is good enough such that with the right equipment it can fool the ear into believing it's good old vinyl. I would have happily invited Mr Guttenberg to lend his ears too, I can guarantee you he'd fail the test too, despite what he believes, or not.

Same Here.

If you account for inflation, vinyl isn't really more expensive now.

Thank you!

+1 The same here. Last year i bought out of curiosity a Thorens TD160 with SME arm for comparison. Had my old Ahmad Jamal record Rossiter road still. Compared it to my ripped CD on a Topping DAC. It all came back why i switched to CD's esspecialy the quite parts an the whispers where more detaild an intimate than with Vinyl IMO. No intentions to go back to vinyl. The Thorens was sold in 48 hours to somebody that could appreciate the sound.

@@Ssection31 You can have both CD and records... I prefer vinyl most of the time... but CD is indeed a better choice for music with lots of quiet and soft passages... too noisy on vinyl. For example... I have some King Crimson records and CDs... the Cds are a better choice due to the many soft quiet parts. However.... I have both the CD and record of Ziggy Stardust by Bowie... vinyl record has nicer punch and works better for that kind of rock and roll music.

@@kevingoodwin5177 Hi Kevin Most of older recordings for Vinyl (especially before digital times) are made of a so called Vinyl masters at the time lots of record companies where using the vinyl master to produce there Cd's. Story go's that Roger Nichols (sound engineer Steely Dan) did recorded The Nightfly from Donald Fagen fully digital 48khz at the time. In 82 it was one of the first records produced fully digital. So he was listening to the just released Nightfly on CD. An was horrified by it sound compared to the Vinyl record the cd sounded inferiour. He Found out that the record company used the analoog vinyl master instead of the original 1602 digital master with it full dynamics an transients. Lately i got this original master Nichols referd to an the album is not harsche any more way more balanced an more dynamic. Nichols produced some years ago a surround version of the Nightfly on dvd you can find the 2 channel stereo original 1602 master version of the Nightfly on that dvd. Priceless But most important Digital or Vinyl enjoy your listening. The perceived sound is in the ear of the beholder. ;-) Rodger Nichols: The first project I worked on that became a Compact Disc was Donald Fagen's Nighrfly album. I couldn't wait to get the CD in my hot little hands and compare it with the original mixes. When the CD arrived, I ran to my audio system and threw the CD into my player. After about 30 seconds I was ready to throw in the towel. The CD didn't sound anything like the final mixes. Was I wrong about digital audio? Was the Compact Disc truly inferior to the vinyl disc that it was to replace? I started doing some checking with the mastering facility where we mastered the album. Bob Ludwig at Masterdisk in New York told me that the record company never asked for the 1610 digital master that we'd made. Instead, they had requested a 30 ips half-inch analog tape copy of our digital mixes. They then made the CD master from this analog copy. No wonder my CD didn't sound like the original mixes. After we raised enough hell, new CD masters were prepared and new CDs were pressed. I compared the new one to the original mixes. It matched perfectly. Whew! This was in late 1982. I figured that there was a necessary learning curve for the record companies to get their act together and realize that digital audio Compact Discs should not be made from second or third generation analog tape copies. Isn't nine years enough time?

You should try ripping to FLAC - a lossless codec that takes up half the storage space of WAV.

I've saved the cassettes I have bought "factory" but just don't listen to them on the Nakamichi ZX9 because they literally sound terrible and the tape they used were terrible and make a mess in addition to not sounding good. I mean sure in your car what the heck. I guess my point is that the old chrome particularly Maxell UDXLII sound great, the mechanism works great, they record great, and boo hoo the current maxell tapes suck hard.

Same here. Going through the same process.

Luckily, I did not get rid of my CD collection! Now enjoying them on my CEC transport.

@@JohnDoe-np3zk you´re right the last 90´s maxell cassetes were garbage but i have ur and older ul´s that today sound as perfect as in the day i recorded them and type I

CD's, Vinyl, and Cassettes are the best formats for audio. I've been at it for 40 years now. I kept all my stuff with no regrets. A good Nakamichi like the ZXL 700 or 1000 is a good as a reel to reel. Also, get your hands on a Revox B 215. They are just as good as the Naka's.

best way to listen if you ask me!

In my circles it was usually a Roy Harper gatefold.

@@Crumbleofborg yes

There aren't many of us that are still using reel to reel...I agree...there is something physical that touches you with analog, that you just can't access with digital..the closest I have to digital is a transport and a dac...don't see changing that anytime soon. I listen to analog, almost exclusively.

Digital comes out as analogue for the ear to hear. If you need to sniff black plastic to enjoy sound, you need serious help.

You nailed it.

@@sandyearllarsen2820 lol you really don’t understand it do you

@@paultuerena no sorry I don’t get hiss, crackle and pop. But enjoy.

You don't say what gear you have! But fix a nice solid shelf to the wall and put just the turntable on it. That will stop the walking feeding through.Put some felt bads under the turntable feet. That will minimise the resonances. Get yourself some reasonable quality shielded interconnects. All cheap-ish fixes for a massive improvement.

Well done! By all means look down that rabbit hole, but don't dive in, you'll never get out alive.