‘Brother Asmodei, pull that up on the noosphere’

​@justbobagian Have you seen that holoclip of a Warp-Bear fighting that Chaos Space Marine?

I love when he throws stuff at people and Yells "Prank!"

Mysterious!

Or...WHEN IS CYPHER?!

"I'll do you one better! WHY is Cypher!?"

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Where is Cypher is a common one

Literally came here to post this :D

I wouldn´t mind a meeting between the two. However if the mystery is to remain i would say let all we know about the meeting shrouded in mystery. Though maybe have Lion mention something that when his task was done, he would take him to meet the Emperor personally.

@@Erikjust how there meeting would be handled would have to be done very carefully. Maybe a look of recollection, a nod or some very choice words then cypher disappears.

I really don't understand this "things are best left unexplained" mentality. It is so narratively unsatisfying to be presented a mystery, be given lots of hints and then noting ever explained. The reveal should be the satisfying conclusion to the mystery. If they have to keep things a mystery then that is just bad writing.

@@gothpunkboy89 Its a balancing act. Sure i agree that mystery boxes are fun, but they can and DO get annoying if that´s all there is. But at the same time if there´s no mystery left, if everything is explained. Then a franchise can grow stale and boring. That´s in a way why some people love sci-fi horror movies. Because space is unexplored we don´t know what is out there. So we are allowed to speculate, to theorize to ask what might be out there?. If space ever become 100% explored, we would start asking well what if other dimensions existed, what if time travel existed what then? All to keep theorizing to keep some mystery in our lives. So again its a balancing act between mysteries and facts, to much or too little can both hurt the franchise.

@@Erikjust Most franchises will push a mystery and then explain it and then go onto a new one. While 40k tends to keep kicking the same mysteries around over and over again. As for the franchise growing stale and boring. How has that not already occurred? I mean 40k is nothing if not predictable in what happens. Mystery after mystery after mystery that never gets explained and goes on for years until they drop the plot line because they got bored with it. Even beyond that 40k is very predictable. Chaos or Xenos infiltrate a planet and cause and uprising, or just out right attack it. The guard does most of the fighting and then the space marines show up last minute to either win the planet or lose the planet. Even if they lose it doesn't matter because there is always another planet existing for the Imperium to have. And the cycle repeats it self over and over again. The longer a named character exists the more ridiculous stuff they can do. Like the lore makes it clear a space marine far surpasses a base line human. Yet you have Cain getting into a sword fight with chaos one and surviving. Mephiston going though a pokemon style evolution after being trapped under a building for 7 days. Without armor and without a weapon he fought off a hive full of Orks bare handed until the orks ran away in fear. Even thought these same orks have killed fully armed and armored marines before.

That would make sense. I think it works better than the older lore of him having a guardian angel type daemon that spirits him away at the last minute.

@@40KTheoriesCombine them and it makes the most sense. His “Guardian Angel” type Daemon is really just a Watcher in the Dark who is helping the Lions scion fulfill the Lions purpose (whatever that happens to be). So it’s a weak form of forest walking potentiated by a Watcher in the Dark.

I guess you could say he's pretty fly, for a Fallen guy?

An interesting idea~

I really like this idea

Like the chaos god sketchy bastards? 🤔 I like it

REPENT MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

"Did I hear murder enthousiastically?!" I mean ahem. "REPENT MOTHA FUCKER!" *leaps at*

You would not believe the amount of laugher this spawned out of me

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTT!!!

More likely to be Corswain if going dowk that route

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Whenever Remleiz is 'sick', he's actually off doing "something mysterious".

So not only is Remliez a Fallen, he's also an Inquisator. Oh. Oh, nooo.

It's certainly possible he's still Zahariel. But the doubt however comes from the fact that he was seemingly killed by Typhus, who tore his torso open with his corrupted power scythe during the Siege of Terra (like we mention in the video).

@@40KTheories yes this is true but getting into the nittygritty, Horus was cut by an even more deadlier blade and after his mushroom trip in a warp spa he was cured. I'm wondering if the watchers in the dark saved Zahariel in a similar manner? it would explain his (Cypher's) absence during the majority of the 10k years after the heresy ended. Also make a good plot line for his character's redemption/possible plan made by the watchers (much like the Alpha legion had the cabal). I would like to point out how he wanted to see the emperor and most likely planned to try and save him by finishing him off. These watchers are more powerful in the use of the warp than people give them credit for. even more powerful than that chaos cult that saved Horus. Take the lions return from the dead with new gift to slide from location to warp Caliban to location.

​@@40KTheories If any one of those options could heal from a Nurglite power scythe, it would probably be Zahariel. That guy is a powerful psyker in his own right and was resisting nurgle-corrupted forests when he should've been in middle school.

@dontcare5396 That's totally fair, though personally I don't think using Horus is a fair comparison, given that he's a Primarch (and have an altogether different physiology), but that's just me :)

@@40KTheories I’d have to disagree with you on that friend and think it is a perfect example of warp powers defying logic and understanding of physiology. An example of this would be when an imperial navy fighter pilot enters the warp or is pulled in, they fuse into the jet and they become one creature. The variety of warp infused creations show that anything is possible with warp powers, so to heal one’s self or be healed using warp powers by the watchers is entirely possible.

They probably won't, no.

It’s Cypher

I hope not. Teasing us like they do with 2 and 11 is the only sane way to keep going on with Cypher.

If anyone is going to pierce Cypher's real identity, it would be Lion El'Jonson himself.

The problem with this theory is that during the novel:"Luther first of the fallen" one of the many Dark angels chapter masters who interrogates Luther kills himself because of some severe losses the chapter took. Also in Azrael's book the previous chapter master (Naberius if not mistaken) is killed in action by Night Lords making Azrael the supreme grand master

🖤⚫ Using the Angels of Absolution as an example, isn't it cooler to give the Dark Angels (personal rename: the Rock Angels) the bone color and the Death Guard the green color?

Like we mention in the video, it's implied to be the shattered remnants of Lion El'Jonson's sword.

I am Omegon.

Hold on..... Am I Alpharius!???

There's already been multiple Cyphers as it's a title.

@@wikipediaintellectual7088 No shit....I mean simultaneously.

In which case he looks really good for a man that had his head bisected by Rogal Dorn's chainsword ;)

@@40KTheories The original Alpharius switched places with Omegon, and it was Omegon that died against Dorn leaving Cypher being Alpharius plausible. Alpharius/Omegon were also the size of a normal Astartes, allowing them to blend in to the rank and file easier than the other much larger Primarchs. Alpha Legion shenanigans abound!

No, it was definitely Alpharius that died (the author, John French, even explicitly stating so on Twitter). Remember that at the end of the novel Praetorian of Dorn (the one where Alpharius died), Omegon, whilst at the other end of the galaxy, psychically sensed when his twin had been killed, forcing him to take up the mantle of Alpharius permanently.

This may sound weird but it helps me deal with a bit of speech impediment. If you heard the un-edited versions of the podcasts, you'd be bombarded with constant stuttering, marble-mouthing and the like lol

Are you sure it's Pandorax? Because from a quick look the only thing in that book which mentions the name Cypher (that I can find) is the "Order of the Fractured Cypher", which is a Dialogous branch of the Adepta Sororitas completely unrelated to the Dark Angels.

One of the Founding Grey Knights, Epimethius, was a Dark Angel. When Epimethius faces a Lord of Change in M41 on Pandorax, the Lord of Change mentions he is responsible for "turning half a Legion and the subsequent destruction of their homeworld." The Lord Of Change had been trapped in the Damnation Cache for 10,000 years and Epimethius was put in stasis to guard the Cache. Both having just arisen with Abaddon's opening of the Cache. During the fight, both Epimethius and the Lord of Change realize who the other is. Epimethius knows exactly who the demon truly is because as Epimethius states, he was there at the fall of Caliban. The Lord of Change is then allowed by Epimethius to see into his mind so that the demon sees that Epimethius knows his true name. BUT, the Lord of Change then freaks out because he also had seen who Epimethius was before he was a Grey Knight, a Dark Angel Librarian. The Lord of Change then cries that this path was NOT the one foreseen for Epimethius as he was supposed to be in the "guise of another" and was supposed to "walk a darker path." Epimethius then states that is true, but "another took his place to walk that darker path for him" as Epimethius was recruited to be a Grey Knight. Later in the novel, Colonel Strike tells Azrael and Kaldor Drago, on the surface of Pandorax, that an ancient Space Marine has been helping them. When further questioned by the two Astartes, Strike tells them that all he knows is that the Ancient Terminator is referred to as Epimethius. Upon this news, Azrael quietly poops his pants and Drago has an internal panic attack. I believe from this, we can deduce that Epimethius had been the Lord Cypher at the fall of Caliban. But when Epimethius was recruited to be one of the eight founding Grey Knights and took the on the name Epimethius, another became the Lord Cypher. Not many present at the fall of Caliban could or would have taken Epimethius' place as Cypher once Epimethius passed on the knowledge that the new Cypher would have to "walk a darker path." Only one Dark Angel, having somewhat "neutral" loyalties would have been willing to walk such a path that skirts then line between Loyalist and Traitor...and the honor to stand in for another Brother in such a sacrifice...Corswain.

This would also explain why Corswain is considered M.I.A. or to have mysteriously disappeared. If Corswain became Cypher, then for all intents and purposes, Corswain was no longer alive.

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated! The main problem with the idea of Epimetheus being the Lord Cypher that was present during the Fall of Caliban however, was that he (Epimetheus) was on Terra prior to the events of the Siege (as shown in the novel "The Buried Dagger") and was subsequently sent to Titan along with the other founding members of the Grey Knights (with the implication that Epimetheus was originally the Dark Angels black shield known as The Nemean), making it incredibly unlikely (if not impossible) for him to be the same Cypher that was present upon Caliban. This could be an oversight by GW or potentially a retcon.

GW has been known to make such mistakes simply by using different authors to continue a story or idea. As authors are human, it is entirely possible that a current author could overlook a previous detail from another author or could be directed by GW to somewhat retcon the story to take the idea in another direction. We will probably never know. 🤷‍♂️

Please forgive if this is poorly Written

The wrestler? That'd be a twist!

CAH-CAW?

From the Gathering Storm 3 trailer

I got a new setup installed about a year or so ago, if that's what you mean?

@@40KTheories i didn't realise it had been that long! Does sound better!

I want to know as well please

The same song that's played throughout the rest of the video. Battle 4 from Final Liberation.

@@40KTheories Thanks for taking the time man. ❤️ Hydra Dominatus

Yes this is a joke They are the same, though ...