I agree

I think that is the theme.

Bro, Carmine is the real villain. The mc and Carmine literally bullied Kieran. We could've helped him but we never did. We just showed up one day in kitakami, and stole ogrepon from Kieran despite how attached Kieran was, and grew up loving ogrepon even when he didn't know. Sure, ogrepon chose us for gameplay, but honestly we should've given it to him.

@@cheesewrap I feel like a lot of people don't remember why we didn't tell Kieran. That wasn't Carmine's decision, it was her grandfather. He didn't believe Kieran would keep his mouth shut at this point in his life and feared that what would happen to his ancestor would happen to him. Plus I don't feel like Kieran is entitled to Ogrepon just because he believed (based off, at the time, 0 evidence) Ogrepon at the endcof the day is the one who gets to choose and it chose us. I'm not saying Kieran isn't allowed to be angry and when it comes to Carmine, yeah she was a terrible sister and only cared when Kieran was starting his edgy arc but I think both situations have more nuance than "we were the worst people ever and bullied Kieran. He deserves everything".

And also in BB academy dialogue she says to Jacq she needs him for a ritual [that involves him as a sacrifice]

​@@AllanGuiHaya70and he accepts

She is definitly a villian, just not a caught villian and stopped villian. She is soo shady.

She said "Male Sacrifice" for the ritual. Good thing Jaq is a Biology Teacher for that ​@@AllanGuiHaya70

​@@AllanGuiHaya70 Didn't the grass gym leader allude to her stealing some of the relics she wears in the dlc? I remember seeing it on yt

What obsession does to a mf

Being fully aware that your plan will destroy the region and going ahead with it anyway is pretty evil.

Heh if you thought that was good storytelling then you need to treat yourself to an actual game like final fantasy 5 or anything else

​@@BillSchrader booooo you suck

@@BillSchrader FF6 is my favorite game of all time and I still love the story in SV

@@BJGvideos ok but that doesn’t make me think it’s any good

@@BillSchrader So why are you watching videos about its story?

I feel like the AI also loved him on their own, from their memories. We know that the AI had their own personality even when the professor was alive.

I know. I don't really believe this anymore, since there's no real evidence to support it.

@@loganbrony130 Aah ok. I do feel like the PPP is the professor's lingering will. But also I do think the AI was telling the truth, his parents really did love him. They were just absolute ass at showing it.

Pretty much. However, there is a picture of him as a boy with Mabostiff when he was just a Maschiff playing together, showing the AI was telling the truth.

@@loganbrony130 Oh totally. Finding that, combined with the empty frame in the lighthouse--aah!

True. They were very complex people and there's always the lingering question of if they could have changed. After all, they died to save a loved one, so if they had survived could they have realized what the AI was saying all along? Or would they have doubled down on it and only gotten worse, fueled by their brush with death making them realize that time is short? And honestly both are equally likely, and we can never truly know what could have been.

@@BJGvideos yeah they're interesting people but I feel like we know too little of the actual professor to know if they would change for the better. I think the brief meeting we had with them in Kitakami alluded they definitely felt some remorse of not being close to Arven but that's really it. When the Protection Protocol activated, the AI professor exclaimed in disbelief and almost disgust how much they solely cared for the project of the time machine. I hope we get to learn more about them in Masters

@@shuichisaihope398 I wonder how they'll do that in Masters. Will they be from the alternate timeline of the crystal pool? Will they be the one who left when Arven was a baby? Will Masters do what they did with Lysandre and just pull them from a universe where they didn't die? And will we get the AIs? ...I will whale so hard if we get the AIs you have no idea I would spend actual money on them.

@@BJGvideos The crystal pool one is implied to be the original sada/turo so it's either just going to be the OG professor or AI. I actually don't know which one they'll pick, or maybe like AI Sada and Real Turo or vice versa? I've always wondered how they'll incorporate them in there. I could see AI Sada/Turo with Terapagos since that's the only way they can leave the Zero Lab (they said in the game the crystals power them)

@@shuichisaihope398 The crystal pool one tells us things that don't line up at all with what we know of the one from our world, including from their own writing. Like they talk about making a machine that will reach parallel worlds and say nothing about a time machine, or about how they've never met the paradox dragon despite not only Arven already being born but also the other parent having left. And of course they give up their copy of Heath's book, something the professor in our world never did. Haha I'm doing a fic right now where Hoopa pulls the AIs and now the Gadgeteer group has to get them functional again. It was going to be a much more lighthearted fic until Penny was added and of course that's the group she's in so now she's got anxiety over "will that program take over again", and thoughts about her own family, and a bunch of stuff.

"Something not so nice"?

@@BJGvideos I heard that it symbolyizes a Bad word for an "adult worker"

@@Ammiteur9 You can say "prostitute". It's not a swear word. Use real language instead of this obnoxious gen Z ultra sanitized garbage.

"NINGEN!" 😡 (get the reference?)

The PPP seemed to have been their lingering will, which was super intense.

They also have a heavy dose of Rose and even a little of Cyrus and Volo.

The professors didn't try to fix their mistakes though.

Cyrano's goal is to be as extra as possible

I wished he actually did showed up, like he was secretly funding Blueberry Academy for his own agenda and planned to raid Area Zero

@@dantemustdie00Maybe if we get BW3 we’ll see him again

Ghetcis as opposed to Ghettrans 🔥

That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match: - Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin. - They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name. - The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.

@@Lionwoman While I'm a fan and believer of the Multiverse theory (This is something I've believed since ORAS), but I need to point a few things out. 1: We don't have a proper timeframe yet. How old is Arven? When did the Professor die? Was the Professor actually in Area Zero when we pulled them from the Pools? While it's easy enough to assume Arven had someone watching him growing up, that might not be the case. Pokemon is a world where a 9 year old is 2 feet tall and for some reason is allowed to live in the schools dorm rooms. That same 9 year old also has creatures that can harness elemental powers. I can name several instances where a Pokemon cared for a Human in nearly all canons. He has Mabosstiff for protection, plus whatever the Professor had at the house, and whatever technology the Professor had installed. Arven could easily live alone at a young age. 2: If we believe the Professor we pulled from the Pools isn't our Professor, the book also cannot be ours as our copy of the book was lost when the AI used the Time Machine. If the Professor is Turo, the book is somewhere in the future, be in our future or a Multiversal future, meaning the Turo we pulled could not have had our book, it would've had to have been his universes book. This only works if the Professor is Sada, as she goes to the past. The book could've been preserved somehow long enough for Heath to find it, then create "his own version" of it. Also, the name doesn't mean much. While it's true that in a Multiverse there are multiple possibilities, including ones that alter the very fabric of who you would be in your universe, a name is a name is a name. Sada would write her name down as Sada, and Turo would write down his name as Turo. Maybe it's a nickname, maybe it's shortened, whatever the case my be, the name remains the same. 3: The first two notes are on Terapagos and Stellar Type. Combined with the previous Area Zero Lab books, we know the Professor writes about one thing per entry, so it's pretty normal for the Professor to not mention the Raidon since s/he is making note of where they appeared and the potential why. Not mentioning the trade in an academic paper also isn't that unusual, though I would question the morality of it since it's common practice to list donors in an academic paper. But given their disregard for the ecological balance of the modern world, I'm not shocked if they did this. Now like I said, I do believe we're in a Multiverse. But it doesn't change much of the outcome, as our character from another universe would still be our character. While our actions might not affect our universe, it will affect another, and more than likely cause that universe to experience what we experienced.

Us being the villain makes no sense. Because even though even though technically the ones that gave the profs the book that doesnt mean we had motive delinerately cause everything that had happened.

paradox. there is the part

Yep, the main character is the true villain, in the true mastermind of the entire scarlet and violet series

Ghetsis is pretty popular and he's the biggest shitstain in the series. He's popular BECAUSE he's the absolute worst.

@@BJGvideos Sure ? He seems to be so evil it makes him cool.

Because we know that. They talked about it themselves in their journals, that they made the AI to serve as their assistant because they couldn't trust anyone else. The AI mentions trying to warn the professor about the consequences of Paradise.

Idk, Kieran’s time as blueberry proved that he needed Carmine or us as the player as friends or he would become a literal manifestation of insecurities. Like as much as I didn’t like Carmine in TM, she was right about him having an ego. Drayton beat him multiple times prior to his return to his home and he didn’t care that much since he was having fun, it wasn’t till he isolated himself that he didn’t.

@@WildWeavile He didn't isolate himself, we isolated him by lying to him and spending all of our time with Carmine. He had no friends, remember.

I assume the physical abuse line is: "I WAS being nice! It's not like I hit him or anything!" Correct? I'm pretty sure her saying that was just in response to being scolded by her grandfather (presumably for the first time.) Something like: "You're acting like I hit him or something!" Would be a better way to put it. Not to defend her there, that was absolutely uncalled for when she told him to get lost. Or if you're referring to the line: "Watch who you call dummy if you know what's good for you!" To me, that's standard sibling talk. I know not everyone has siblings like that but from general experience it isn't anything more than an empty threat. If she was shown to actually not like her little brother I could see why it may indicate physical violence, but Carmine is shown to love him more than anything, implied by several of her lines. I don't think Carmine has it in her to actually hit Kieran, or anyone for that matter. She's all talk. Her issue, in my eyes, is how overprotective she is. She doesn't want to lose Kieran because she herself is quite lonely. She straight up admits to that, actually. So, she resorts to shielding him away from anything that might take him from her. (Albiet that point gets kind of lost in translation during the Teal Mask, where she conpletely ditches him for us, but that's an issue with the writers.) Her lie is not justified but I would argue it is within reason. At that point in the story she'd never forgive herself if she let her younger brother get maimed or killed in the dangerous mountains of Kitakami. She doesn't know Ogerpon is friendly and still believes it to be a bloodlusting tyrant. You can tell she feels terrible about lying way before she tries to apologize to him. She questions whether she overthought it, and then during the scene where the grandfather tells them not to say anything to Kieran, she slumps over with guilt on her face and says: "Now I REALLY can't tell Kiki..." Speaking of Ogerpon, why does everyone seem to ignore Ogerpon's feelings? Even Carmine was able to realise that it too, is a living being capable of independant thinking. It bonded with the main character and went with them. Where's the issue in that? I get that spending your whole life obsessing over a creature you can truly relate to would feel like you earned the right to own it, but in the end, Ogerpon wants a trainer she can trust. It might sound harsh, but Kieran's feelings here just don't matter. Ogerpon made her choice, Kieran insisting on keeping her probably just freaked her out further and if anything squandered his chance of getting to know her. That's his own fault. And I'm sorry, but no amount amount of mental abuse makes it acceptable or justifiable to do what he went and did/tried to do in the Indigo Disk. I'm not going to villainise him for lashing out and bottling up his emotions, of course. But with that being said, he is not in the right (I kind of get the feeling that's what the original comment was trying to say.) Kieran puts a lot of trust in Carmine, something I don't believe he would have if she abused him physically. He often hides behind her for comfort, even one time in the Indigo Disk. He doesn't flinch when she shakes her fists. Kieran's biggest influence is the Main character. Of whom I find to be a power-hungry, gluttonous menace. Seriously, we cause so many issues just by doing main character things. For WHAT reason do we need to catch Terapagos in front of him just like we did with Ogerpon? We acknowledge that he was upset by us taking Ogerpon, and yet we repeated history, regardless of whether he gave us permission. I mean, when you get Carmine down to her last Pokemon she says "I'll wipe that smirk off your face!" Smirk! We're taking pleasure in subjugating those around us. And since Kieran wants to be like us... he's also going to mimic that power-hungry, sly demeanour we have. Which is exactly what happens. Forget Carmine, we're the one who had a major impact on him.

@@Oceane1803Idk, he had people who liked him, but he never reached out to them because he was scared of them not liking him or Carmine scared them off. She did say she was a TAD bit protective of him, so she might have shoved off people like idk... Drayton who she most likely didn't see fit of being his friends. What I got from Kieran's interactions with us in Kitakami before the lie, he seemed to want friends but didn't know how to get them. That is why Carmine pairs him up with us with the hope of having Kieran step out of his comfort zone to make friends back at school: Like Crispin seems cool with him, Drayton enjoyed the fact that Kieran didn't care that his Pokemon were weaker than everyone else's. He was just vibing, and Amarys liked the timid but thoughtful boy he used to be. It wasn't till he returned from Kitakami with the idea of "might make a right" that jaded his perspective of poke battling. That Crispin and Lacey didn't want to be around him, meanwhile Amarys and Drayton wanted to help him.

@@ArcknivesDon't blame the MC for this. They were legitimately swept into drama! Like Kieran's insecurities of wanting to get strong to befriend Ogrepon were there before we got there, and Carmine's overprotectiveness of Kieran was also there prior. It was just the perfect storm that a champion-ranked trainer would just so happen to win the lottery to kitakami. Like we did NOTHING wrong.

Forgotten villain also--Harrington and his corrupt staff being the real villains of the Star plot

That professor is not ous (our univrese/timeline) to begin with. If we put together their diary entries from Area 0 and what that professor tells us it does not match: - Ours invented the time machine first and brougth a koraidon before they knew they were expentin Arven. Kitakami pool professor already had a son that can be left alone, no time machine and no koraidoin. - They GAVE US the book we use to stop the time machine. We know it's the same book because of the written name. - The Underdepths area 0 jorunals mention a child but no word of giving us the scarlet/violet book nor the presence of koraidon.

@@Lionwoman They did say "in another timeline" but even so I feel like we diverted the alternate professor from the path the one in our world took.

I feel like we diverted the professor from their path in that timeline rather than continuing a cycle. At the end, they say they're going to go home and read their new book, which I feel like is storytelling shorthand for pulling back and being a better parent

Yeah life is full of a disappointment 😢

Just ask most of the gym leaders. They'll tell ya.

No, how did you come to that conclusion?

What?

Carmine is absolutely a bully and I felt like I was betraying Penny when the game tried to insist I had to be Carmine's friend

Star isn't a bad guy team though. Also Skull kidnapped someone so they're pretty obviously villains.

Huh?

@@BJGvideos “Friends are everything” only will make people so mad they want to kill them.

Maxie and Archie were clouded by their desires as well, one wanted more water for the pokemon and the other wanted more land for the humans, both with good intentions but in the end they realized they have gone too far because not only their plans were already dangerous because it can disturb the way of living of both people or pokemon in the first place, they also underestimated the power of both Groudon and Kyogre and it could have ended with either the world gets completely flooded/dried up or having the both of them fight each other and cause huge damages wherever they go

Wait... "we haven't gotten an ACTUAL villain since Gen 7" but then you say Volo is one of the best villains Game Freak has ever made even though he's gen 8. Also I'd easily say that the professors were pretty evil. They had good in them but they were still willing to destroy the ecosystem of Paldea to get what they wanted, and screwed over their assistant by making them a mindless puppet of the security system (likely for speaking up to oppose the plan, considering that the AI didn't know about the PPP, meaning it would have been implanted in them after their creation/inheriting the professor's memories)

True villain are Sada/Turo, Kieran, and Briar, not us.