Stats are numbers for fools. In basketball even more so. You eat two chickens, i eat none, average is one but my stomach is empty. Picture's worth a thousand words, or numbers. NBA in the 90s was brutally physical, images don't lie.

Pace adjustments are a thing, but there is no true way to perfectly compare across eras. Which is why, even though I have my own list, I use tiers.

@Charles Stanford have you ever seen a matchup between the pistons and mj? Sneezing, yeah perhaps after they clotheslined him. Come on

This why these lebum fans thinks he’s the goat. Cause if freaking stat padding and the type of defense they play now compared to then

Yes it baffles me why more fans don't realize rules of the era dictate stats. In the 90s it was an achievement to score over 30 points. And now players are doing it regularly, and many of these players didn't score a lot in college. Case in point Donovan Mitchell just had two games of 50 or more in the 2020 playoffs. The only other players to have more than one 50 pt playoff game is Jordan, Chamberlain and Iverson. People would be surprised to know both Kobe and Lebron only have one 50 pts or more playoff game. Is Mitchell on the level of those players? No, of course not. He's just benefitting from rules that cater to more offense. Mitchell averaged 7.4 ppg in his freshman year at Louisville and 15.6 in his sophomore year in 32 minutes a game. In the NBA he's averaged 20.5, 23.8 and 24.0 playing 33-34 minutes a game, not much more than college. And finally in 37 minutes a game in the 2020 playoffs, he averaged 36.3 ppg in 7 playoff games. This is a guy who helped lead Team USA to a SEVENTH place finish at the 2019 World Cup, where they do still allow handchecking.

ADNTV dat boi gil

But it wasn't loaded and I never even picked it up! --Gilbert Arenas

Tex Chu Gil is my fav player

His own teammate.....hahaha

ADNTV i did it all the Time

His graphs don't even have references. Looks like it was made on an excel sheet. You're just gonna take him for his word? Take your own advice, do your own research and draw your own conclusion.

@@SoFresh415 His research is sufficient, that was my point.

This video ignores the reason why its easy to score and it has nothing to do with rules

@@Rawbtala he talked about rules rules rules and jimmy jimmy jimmy. 20 minute vidoe that really cant show rules are even the reason its hard to score. Rules are not the reason. Lets look at the NFl in 1990. Lineman were usually 300lbs fat guys. Today they are lean and fast and block just as well. If you think the nba is different you are wrong. Players got way better at shooting. This is much more the reason its hard to defend in the nba today. They are taking 30 foot shots like standard jump shots. This did not come from silly arm check rules. In a 1990 playoff game the defenders would be 20 feet everyone was bunched together. Today the defenders are 27 feet out. This creates huge gaps. A defense can not close these gaps becasue they cant ad defenders. The response is switching and that fails. A defenders job is so much harder today and kt has very little to do with these idiotd trying to control the game. The rule changes did not create the range. Better players created the range.

his vis is bullshit, i can take a few vids and numbers and put them together how I want, defense overall was better in the 80s and 90s, you cant look at a few vids to understand how the whole 4 quarters were played, defenses always break down at some point

I don’t think you understand illegal defense buddy

@@tkbaku3036 what is it

U can’t switch and u have to stay with your man your assigned to

​@@samknight9825That's not true. In theory, illegal defense means you can't play zone or aggressively help/leave your man open. You were definitely allowed to switch or double team though. And illegal defense was rarely called consistently. Most teams still had their big man help in the paint and sag off their man. As pointed out in this video, modern NBA spacing has a bigger effect on discouraging defensive help than illegal defense ever did

@@tkbaku3036explain it then

Yup, reseach = I found stats to support me, not you.

Exactly

tyroilsmoochiewallace 1 Yes, but then that would mean offensive players from back then would have it MUCH easier to day, proving LOWs point. Also a lot of great defenders back then didn’t use handchecking as much as they would have you think.

tyroilsmoochiewallace 1 lebron would get punked by niggas like rodman every night. he can’t even handle today’s soft ass league

X02Overdose truth. Defense is played with your feet not your hands.

Yung Savage no he wouldn’t he’s 6’8 like 250-280 pounds With barley any body fat whatsoever bill lambiere said they wouldn’t stop lebron if they tried to use the rules they had on Jordan lebron will easily do better in the 90s era when he adapts

I watched it live back in 90s. No need to research. I know what better eta was and it was hands down 90s era !! Today’s era all about flop and ballet

It was facts though. Please fact check yourself, it’s ironic you say that while likely not researching yourself and using someone else’s video.

@Todd Lerfahndler a 20 minute video that should of been 4 minutes long. Jimmy jimmy jimmy. The reason its hard to defend now is because of range not because of stupid check rules hahaha. They take 30 ft 3 pointers because of lack of checks thats comical. The rules had little to do with it these shooters just got way better. You can only have 5 defenders now these defenders are stretched like rubber bands. The gaps are huge

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Idc what none y’all say today’s nba players are wayyyyyy more fucking skilled we are better at everything

💯💯💯 I have a bias for guys who can score in the paint among The Oak trees. It’s different when Those Bigs ARE WAITING for you at the rim vs when the middle is wide open

Well when everyone is shooting the ball outside the paint it is a lot harder to block it, rather than being in the paint where they have an advantage

Yeah, if you move from 8 three pointer attempts a game to 30-40 per game that means the bigs are getting fewer oportunities to block shots in the paint.

I’m not sure the shot attempts in the paint is much lower than before. I believe there’s less mid range attempts which are now 3pt attempts. The difference is there’s less size around the rim and the touch fouls called that stop players from trying to block shots head on.

I remember when Shaq was getting his forearms caught by shotblocker's forearms and it wasn't called by refs and when they allowed bodies to bump into each other in the air even when the offensive player gets knocked down it's a good play bc they didn't touch the off player arms. Oh man the good times

GodzillaFreak spelled offense wrong illiterate fuck

Bred 1s the dictionary is fine with both. I’m Canadian so I’m used to spelling it with a c

60s? Fuck dont even mention that era where people literally looks like jogging back and forth the court even gleague willfucking trash their unathletic ass. Players today are literally god mode athletes and the only thing can stop them is punching or grabbing them and you people will call it toughness lol

Dont Know Your name fits pretty well with your knowledge.

@@GodzillaFreak sure bro

All thanks to fucking Shaq

Shiroski O'charos so you are not gonna mention bruce bowen, the detroit pistons 2004 roster tmac etc so many

@@jemfeliciano4983 oh trust me I'm not forgetting about them. Specially Bruce Bowen! Dudes dirty and I like it.

The spurs??

Shiroski O'charos shaq’s not even the best defender at his position at that time ben wallace is the best defender at the center position

Statistically it was the best defensive era.

@@tylercampbell6272 The most fun to watch for me too

A lot of bad teams

@@dancart1995 The Shaq/Kobe era? Spurs?

​@@dancart1995I was going to say a lot of bad teams in every eara. But that isn't true. This season seems to be quite close in spread of wins so closer to parity. Massive number of teams close to .5 just above and bellow in both conferences as the season is running to a close.

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Kawhi basically has the same size hands as MJ so those of us who are over 40 have seen it.

@@alphazero2005 Giannis has almost as big hands as Shaq

@@alphazero2005 I'm 35, almost LeBron's age, and I've seen Michael Jordan play. So you don't have to be over 40. Even if you're 30 years old, you might have seen Michael Jordan because you were born in 1990 and then you were 7 or 8 years old when he played for the Chicago Bulls for the last two seasons and that's where you usually start watching sports on TV

@@Mister__Jey man I was barely 8 when MJ won his last title and I can firmly say I had no idea what was going on besides him winning and being amazing

Speaking as someone who watched all this happen in real time, I agree.

I agree. Glad I found this video before making my own response. The only weak point was how the illegal defense rule change was addressed and I am sympathetic due to the age of the author (or what I assume it to be). For that, I think quoting NBA players reacting to it would have provided the insight the rest of the video had. Most, if not all the star players, were against it. Here is a quote from Allen Iverson before the illegal defense rule change went into effect, essentially predicting its impact: "I think it's going to take a lot of creativity from the game. I'm going to get into the lane, and four, five guys are going to be sitting there waiting for me. The game will turn into a bunch of guys shooting jump shots. You can't tell me that's what the fans want to see." He was only wrong about how NBA fans would react...

@G-man This is correct. This is one of the worst videos I've ever seen.

Stakk Cry lmaoo

A breakdown of a breakdown damn... good job man

I think they did worry though, the reason to change it was becasue they thought the game was already being jeopradized, and it looked to have worked. It maybe have swung to far the other way now, but thats what they have to do I suppose, like a video game, balancing the game is always a changing thing, once players get use to the rules and find ways to exploit it, that can jeopordize the game unless something is done to change it up. There's no gaurantee that the something will work and thats up to debate what to do. A perfect game we wouldnt have to mess with it constantly to balance it, but since its our artificial game looks like w'ere going to have keep changing it. What happens in 300 years when the average height is 7 feet, are the rims still going to be 10 feet? haha or the opposite, what if we're 3 foot aliens by then. What does basketball look like then?

It's entertainment so they'll rig the rules to however they want to produce the action they want

Great, Great, Great video...

The NBA along with the NFL as of late, are fairly quick to implement rule changes. And both leagues research thoroughly, but a big part of it is just seeing how it goes and adjusting on the fly. A lot of rule changes evolved from other rule changes and game trends. It's been directly correlated that higher scores equal more popularity. Especially among casuals. So it's no surprise that most rule changes, particularly in the NFL are offensively beneficial. Both leagues have done a pretty good job of staying with the times though if you ask me. I like todays NBA game for different reasons than i liked my 90s ball growing up in the MJ era. NBA ball has always had a different feel and dynamic from decade to decade, and that's part of the reason I enjoy it.

@@trashpanda314 Well said!

Fewer and fewer are watching these days because of the wokeism, not because 130 - 140 were scored. Get real. Most fans do not want politics mixed with their entertainment. It's gone way too far.

refs are also making it quite difficult to watch sometimes/for some people

@@HeathBilbrey Nope. Fewer people are watching TV in general, there are more forms of media entertainment than ever, most casuals like yourself can get their fix by watching highlights on youtube or social media and 24hr sports networks and unlike the NFL, NBA games are not scarce so it is not the same level of event viewing. Nice try tho

Agreed, BUT that only applies to the regular season. This years playoffs was decided by heavy pick and roll play, mid range shooting (KD, CP, Booker, Middleton), interior dominance on both ends (Giannis and Ayton). The only difference is allowed physicality and simplified officiating.

@@HeathBilbrey You sound dumb asl. The NFL is doing better than ever despite the "wokeism" movement. The NBA is simply boring nowadays with all the superteams, no superstar loyalty, and no intensity during the regular season

This is what happens when your entire business model is based on “entertainment” over the actual sport.

It all has to do with the sporting betting apps..it's all rigged..like the games themselfes

​@@TomStansfieldit's based on money....

Business Partners facts! That’s what it was about that’s why all the rules were to help offensive perimeter players that drive. Bleacher report has great article on this topic titled Jordan Changed the NBA’s Center Position Forever. And how the nab changed rules to make more duplicates of Jordan.

All they had to do was be patient. Kobe and LeBron would have tore it up even with the old rules. They had heart and endless motors.

😂😂😂

That is correct.

Not true. Stop letting nostalgia cloud your judgement.

Especially the part when he talks about scoring before and after hand check rule, completely ignoring players peaks and declines including age and other factors

Jack P His video contained NO context

Jxmy Highroller's videos are almost unwatchable because of that annoying ass background music that he has had on repeat for 10 minutes a video for like 2 years

Like everyone that is in love Whit LeBron they will do anything to put him on top Lies , dismissed stats and they will change history just to enforce everyone that is ignorant to believe it

@@trevor-pv1dz Been saying that for a minute. And then when he does change it up, all his fans rage "WHERE'S MUH TRAP SAX?!"

It basically feels like running through heavy beach sand...so hard to get somewhere with that hand or forearm constantly nudging you. It's exhausting.

@@mikegulliver4885 exactly I’ll admit that it helps make defense easier but it makes offense harder and IMO it makes the game fair and balanced

I had to respond to this, if you hoop you know hand checking isnt doing anything to anyone that can cross but make you much easier to run around.

@@themaster804 You don't hoop. You're a couch potato warrior.

Bruh people couldn’t dribble with they left hand in 90’s, dare someone to pick up Kyrie full court

Great point!

Back then when u get the ball u have to have ur back against the opponents cause they gonna check u. Now they can do And One street ball type of dribbling freely because it is so easy now to protect the ball.

That play from the 90s was literally called as an illegal defense violation lol you're reaching

@@bernges7228 Did you even watch the video? It was very inconsistently called and people for doubled all the time. Rules against physical play and more 3pt shooting have made lanes as open as ever

@Whos Mans Casual, there was an illegal offense rule, made to prevents that kind of tricks.

The five past 5 years are the lowest in terms of FTs per game, that's mean nowadays en especially this season there's less FTs than before ( 00's, 90's, 80's)

You get it in this season.

@@Skiesaremine Yes and, for the most part, I really like it.

@@paquinraino8180 Look at the fouls and foul calls before making this statement…

No soft hand checks should come back the defensive 3 second rule and the prohop should be banned. Although wilts era and before had the toughest hand checking rule and older players are underrated for it. It shouldn't be like then because everyone will be hurt.

Jordan might be able to do it but it pisses me off when people bring up players that are way under Jordan and say theyd do the same. Like really? You, think old players would score more than like a stephen curry or james harden that shoot a lot of 3's by them shooting a lot of fucking shots in the paint?

pelleman02wb Yeah I see what you mean. But players such as Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, and even John Starks who shot the 3 a lot would get some form of inflation on their numbers. Of course it would be crazy to think Starks would average 37 in today’s game but I see him averaging a nice 20-25 ppg on 45-47% shooting.

@@solomongrundy1616 yea I could see him averaging 24 ppg

@@ItsPGWavy 42*

On the contrary. Illegal defense rule HELPED HIM SCORE. Illegal defense rule helped him and every other iso player score including big men

Exactly!

Correct. Also, coaches looked at the numbers and saw that the best 3 point shooters shoot in the upper 30 percents, while the best big men shot around 60 percent. So with that in mind, it made sense to shoot the higher percentage shots.

The increase of the 3 pt attempts is because of the fact that there is a zone defense now.

As I recall Pat Riley specifically instructed his players to bump the shooter's elbow on jump shots; the refs had a tendency to watch where the ball was and would miss that call 90% of the time.

Elementary Watson Facts.

Lol that does sound plausible

So what's ur point

@@scarykurapika100yago2 look it up.

@@lamefart I don't get it broo

@@scarykurapika100yago2 the league was seeking to make the league's scoring much more productive thereby making offensive players shine because the defense was a little better than the offense in the defensive era. It was to make the league more exciting as their cash cow retired.

And the body contact, literally in the 90s you can shadow a guy body to body just a millimeter away ...

Facts the reasons they shoot 3’s better in this era because it’s main skills , Good players can adjust to any era .

Kobe himself, who played in both sets of rules, said that elite scorers won’t be stopped by hand checking. Him and MJ both said it’s harder to score against zone defense.

different types of good players here. hand checking is not going to stop physical players like Shaq Jordan or Kobe. But it could do damage to players like Durant and Curry.

@SHANESE curry also looks better because defender can’t slide they feet under defender when they land after a jumpshot anymore, Currys ankles was getting tore up before that rule change too

still a good youtuber just focused to much on stats

LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS WITHIN THE FIRST 2 MINUTES. PLEASE.

@@whereami475 we going off the eye test🤨

@@whereami475 the problem isn’t stats, it’s how you come up with and interpret stats. If you do not properly construct a stat and/or do not acknowledge the context and limitations of the stat (all stats have limitations), it renders the stat meaningless.

Right you have to WATCH what happened not just looking at stats!

You mean we should replay it all back lmao. Its easier to look at the stats and stats don't lie.

@@jeydkabigas5193 stats don't tell most of the story.

@@jeydkabigas5193 stats with no context is just numbers. They don't lie but they don't tell the whole truth either.

Fantumh can’t true zone brother because defensive 3 seconds says you can’t be inside the paint past 3 seconds if you’re not closely guarding an offensive player or they get 1 free throw and the shot clock reset. A true zone you don’t have to closely guard you just guard space. FIBA has a true zone, children basketball as well but the nba doesn’t. Defensive 3 seconds rule says to open up the game. That means get the big defender out of the paint so they faint clog it up and open up the driving lanes.

Jordan's era is not as physical? I guess Knicks and Pistons defense aren't physical enough.

@Arson Hakobyan There is no defense that was more consistently physical then the 1992 and 1993 Knicks. Ewing, Starks, Oakley, Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Gerald Wilkins, Mark Jackson, coached by Pat Riley. They were willing, they were all good defenders (4 of them were all defense), they were all in physical prime, they more than had the physical tools and they were coached by the best.

Yeah, but at the same time, that rule isn’t horrible bc now it makes it so guys aren’t just standing in the paint waiting for rebounds and blocks

thats not defense then to stop me from scoring you have to hit me then your not a good defender

@@SeriouslyWhofarted The entire premise behind defense is stopping the offensive player from putting the ball in your basket. Everything in-between is fair game

kingJames :/ Kawhi BIG W

Dom2k >>>> Low

To this day to this day to thi...

@@ahmedh4452 nah

kingJames :/ Kawhi Andy hoops

Illegal defense is way too inconsistent. I was watching old film, and it was clearly more than just "zone under the basket." You can even find clips of normal modern day NBA rotations. Seems to be that it was more based on the CONTEST of the shot, while this era's is more based on the funneling of a drive or post. Whichever it is, the rule isn't as serious as Bron fans try to make it be

@@ohmangoddamn1986 Sure. NBA officiating has always struggled with consistency. Why do you think every other call has arm-waving hysterics from the players?

@@momosgarage The guys is only averaging 7.5 points that's role player numbers.

@@momosgarage eh I don't know. Look at Kareem and Malone, they played for many seasons in the NBA. I think it goes with less on how easier the game has gotten and more on how well the player takes care of there body.

@@momosgarage Robert Parish at age 40 in 1993-94 played 74 games on 27 minutes while yeah athletes are lasting longer it's also due to our advancing medicine Wilkins tore a fucking Achilles a big part of your athleticism and power of course he wouldn't last long

2007 sure didn’t seem like the league wanted Phoenix to make it.

This is not true. Stern wanted the Spurs to continue their dynasty (with the Lakers out) not the Suns lmao

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I think there’s some truth to that...

Same thing with current players which chuck threes thinking they all are Steph Currys...

That and the G League wasn’t a thing yet

@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly It actually was the CBA then…

High school players probably didnt even make up a third of the league. There's only been like 44 players total since allowing 18 year olds to be drafted straight from high school. Half of them had solid careers. so ima have to disagree... the 2000s you still had pretty great players.

so basically players today are impossible to guard plus no handchecking so players don’t even try on defense?

@@devdagoat2574 Players today try on defense but its easier to give up on defense because u cant even touch somebody without it being a foul

SavageMan330 it’s harder to play defense because the rules favor the offensive player so they try on defense but the offense is too good they can’t do anything about it.

@@devdagoat2574 Facts thats true

NBA now is a bit weaker but more talented offensively but 2000s was the most talented and hardest era not the weak guard era of the 90s.

Stronge doesnt mean better Shaq was stronger than hakeem and hakeem still owned him same with kareem with wilt and kawi vs bron Mj never relied on strengh he was finesse not brute force Mj was putting 30 pts on guys like ray allen t Mac kobe prime dpoy ron artest at 40 years old and in 1 leg 😆 with jumpers And stephen curry isnot 6'3 200 pounds he barely 185 and 6'1 U just 🧢🧢🧢 hard 🤡

you mean pre 1994 Finals, right? That's when the hand check was allowed. After the 94 Finals where they scored in the 70s, they outlawed the open handed, straight-armed hand check and only a bent forearm was allowed.

The 90s is a tale of two different eras. Compare the early 90s and late 90s and it’s wildly different

kingJames :/ Kawhi Ik CoLiN CoWgHeRd Is ThE GoAt YtEr

Why does this guy drag out the length of sentences so much? He never met an extra pause, or an extra word he didn't like. 0:46 - 1:01 is almost non nonsensical.

Just because he put out a poor video doesn't mean his overall quality is poor. Everyone has bad days.

@@sebclot9478 I just think his style of speaking is filled with superfluous word use, and needless pauses. Bad or good day.

I did enjoy that video, but his stats are very flawed.

You make no sense! It seems you are saying all players couldn’t pass back then? This is not true depending on the era l!

@@Richyahdig did you read what I said ? Lol

@@lakefromchicagowhat do you mean bro???

Great point, I don't necessarily think they're softer nowadays. I think the officiating really has been a huge detriment to the defenses today. Zone defenses have sort of replaced the individual/one on one defenses from the old days which I think is great on its own but the rules doesn't allow players to be as physical nowadays. Glad to see someone like you not downplaying today's nba as softer players.

finally a old head with sense

The players today or faster and more skilled so the only factor is what rules are there cause superstars will adjust they are basketball players

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VeliThaDon defensive rebounds super inflated no box outs required majority are uncontested and they keep track of it to show they’re are easier to get.

Definitely. That's why the triple doubles are so common now.

@@mikebuckets Not really. It’s not common for anyone not LeBron or Westbrook to get triple doubles.

And it’s looking like it now east is a couple points away from 100 in the first half. No partially is because no one’s playing defense. And I just watched trae young throw a full court lob to giannis

My call as far as hand placement is over the offensive players shoulders for preparation to contest.

It's how I guarded taller people. I was stocky and strong so I would just be physical as I could be. Disrupt their shooting pocket. Drive my thumb right into their ribs. Use leverage with my tree trunk legs to deny their ability to back me down. Talk a bunch of smack. I got into a lot of peoples heads lol. If only I could score the way I played defense lol. I played for a small school so Im not saying I was some awesome player or anything. But I loved basketball and playing defense. I was proud I could guard people 4 inches+ taller than me.

Waiting on the 60 pack of videos!

Justin Curry facts bro

David Fernandez that’s why Low and jimmy use his contain to prove their point.... Allegedly

stay woke!!!! that man is amazing

Allegedly

Ruki Wizards Jordan

@@kowishto If Jordan played against the defensive schemes they use today he'd still average the same numbers he put up in the 90s. The biggest problem with nba fans arguing for players is they try to do straight comparisons between eras. If I took jordan right out of the 90s and put him in today's game he wouldnt be nearly as great. If he was the same age as kawhi and zone defenses were all he played against and he had modern fitness training he'd be the best player in the world. Jordan still did well on the wizards because he still had his athleticism. Just because he averaged 25 ppg then doesnt mean he'd average 60 in his prime.

@@Ruk.14 lol what a joke Jordan literally dropped 20ppg at the age of 40 with injury against zone defense. So what your argument

@@mr.harambe2658 My point is averaging 40ppg is impossible and it isn't easier to score. Larry bird at age 36 in 92 and barely able to move due to his back put up 20ppg. I can also say if Larry played in his prime in the 90s with no injury he'd average 40ppg then. He wouldn't, just like jordan wouldn't average 50ppg like people suggest.

@@Ruk.14 wow MJ with at 40 with injuries averaged 30ppg against zone defense. So you're telling me prime MJ with a good passing teammate would average at least 35ppg not to mention MJ in one playoff series averaged over 45ppg

no, it was about one on one. It was about being illegal to switch, play zones, play help defense, or soft trap. The reason more points are scored is because real defense is allowed now so the fast break and being able to stretch the floor became weapons. And it wasn't half as hard as you remember it being, the same ticky tack shit was called back then too.

@@quillanjacobson1478 Just curious here, but when were you born? Sometime after 1995? Because your memory of the NBA during the 80's and 90's leaves much to be desired... I stand by my original statement.

Quillian is no more a victim of his age then you are. If a score that high is bizzare to you then you must not remember '80s basketball very well at all. In the '80-'81 season the average score for an NBA team was 108 ppg, with the Nuggets scoring nearly 122 ppg. Seven teams scored 110 or higher that season. It wasn't much different in the '85 season either. That year 12 teams scored 110 or higher per game, and no one averaged less than 102 ppg. The highest scoring team scored 120 ppg. Compare that to today's game. This year the top scoring team averaged 118 ppg. the lowest averaged 103. Sure the defense has changed and it's easier for perimeter players to score, blah blah. But speaking in regards to the final score, these games would not be out of place in the 80s.

@@bobthabuilda1525 If you bothered to read my original statement... *rolls eyes* then you would see I was talking about the 90's, and in my reply, I was speaking in the broad sense of how the game changed from the 80's into the 90's into the 00's etc... In the end, you're the one taking time to tell me how my opinion is this, or that, or whatever... I still stand by my original statement.

@MrB0gart See the era of NBA (and ABA) basketball, in the mid to late 70's... Specifically, 12/9/1977, Rockets vs Lakers... Kermit Washington trying to cave in Ruddy T's face, with his fist. That was a crazy incident!

Milk is Dry this is me. 😂😂 I was whole bouta talk some shiit goodlook 😂😂

Milk is Dry facts

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p exactly! This biased video only looking at the surface as most fans usually do but not adding the fact that players were faster stronger and more skilled in the 2000s and a lot of great players were barely in the league and molding their game in early 2000s

@@vegetavsakuma1053 players now are so fast and strong that Vince Carter easily play against them with 42 years

@@milanradojkovic3818 I'm mainly referring the 2000s not 2010s.. players also last longer the last 20 years with better technology and medicine and how they take care of their body's. Their have been players from the 70s, 80s and 90s that played till they were pretty old also like Kareem, Jordan, Stockton and Malone because they were some of the first players to train and stay in the best shape possible through out their careers. Kareem was a little diff but had a long career. Vince carter is one of those type of players.

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I think you didn’t bother watching this video all the way through.

@@tonyboots2958 I'm pretty sure he did, you just can't fathom that he stuck to his guns and has his opinion here. and it's also true that TMac, Duncan + KG griped about zone defense back in 03 or so when they were asked about it. came out in Slam Magazine, I believe.

TheCrunchySopa I was referring to his comments about no zone defense in the 90’s and MJ having a harder time getting buckets today with zone defense. It was addressed pretty well in this video.

TheNamesDitto Defensive 3 seconds outlaw a zone it says you can’t be in paint unless closely guarding a player. In FIBA zone doesn’t have that rule or in youth leagues. 🤔

TheCrunchySopa Jordan avg 25 against the zone with hand checking in 2001/02 then he got injured and still avg 22.9 then 20 the next season. He was 38-40 years old playing with multiple injuries from his knees, wrists , back, ribs, and shooting hand after being retired the prior 3 seasons. So prime Jordan would torch the new “zone” with no hand checking allowed a rule he never faced and defensive 3 seconds to open the game up.

Lowkey you mean

ItsMcVay no LOW is legend of winning

Chill out with that

Why does L.o.W. try to drag out every sentence to an insane degree? 0:46 - 1:01 is almost non nonsensical. It's enraging to listen to. This is my impression of this youtuber "During the course of the events from last night from the world of the NBA, Raptors Coach Nick Nurse challenged the not un-negative outcomes of the rule infractions reflected by the threat of several of his fellow members of the raptors organization not in the sphere of management, fouling out at some point before the completion of the NBA basketball game." When he could have "Nick Nurse was not happy with the officiating that game".

@@Dennzer1 so that every viewers can keep up. Not everyone can easily keep up to analysis like this so relax. If you can keep up then good for you but this video isnt only for you

nah it wasnt niggas just couldnt shoot

Oh, but basketball fans who watched the game in the past are right for trying to invalidate the current era? That's flaming hypocrisy on both sides. The current generation does not have the right to invalidate the past, but it's vice versa for the past generation, too.

@Urbain Delva Yes, they absolutely are. A person who has seen both eras has a basis for comparison. Those who have never seen the previous eras make no sense having an opinion on what they have no idea about. And it's not about invalidation, it's about actually having a basis to compare both eras.

I was surprised to hear him at the end lol

@@2stepaheadYOU he had to clear Judah's name from Jimmies misinforming video

Allegedly

Chronicles of judah is no where near the goat. He had plenty of misinformation in his videos. He once made a video stating greg popavic and steve kerr both have backgrounds in the cia which is completely false.

@@spacexmike when he says stuff like that he always says allegedly because he can't prove it, but I don't know that Greg has a military background. I haven't researched Steve.

But to be fr handchecking and forearm checking wasn’t that bad it doesn’t really stop you until they use force and that was called they did it in college when I played unless you facing a strong ass mf it ain’t really gon slow you down

Genuine question what rules did they change for Mj?

Exactly.

@@alphadjalo1227it’s alleged they changed the rule for MJ to lessen the ability to triple team players in the half court.

@@thedangerwich5476 What rule was it called?

Exactly! In a game where strength is prioritized, big and strong players become crucial to success. Even the showtime lakers in the 80's struggled to deal with strong teams like the Houston twin towers and the Celtics HOF front line.

You're right.

It’s more than that. There are far more perimeter threats now than there used to be twenty or even ten years ago. That stretches the floor and opens up lanes. I’d like to see hand-checking brought back beyond the arc, just to see some scoring balance brought back.

@@grahamstrouse1165 Nope is the opposite is now more easy to ZSHITTY PLAYERS TO SCORE CUZ NOW WE DONT PLAY REAL DEFENZE AO NO TODAY IS NOT BETTER.

@@warrenbankscandelario3864 false lmao, back in the 90s pgs who can not shoot can become allstars. Everyone is just better today, i know its hard to accept but thats what progress is, the new generation will always be better than the old, players will be faster bigger stronger more skilled.

Jordan Jenkins defensive 3 seconds makes zone illegal and it was implemented when zone was implemented. You have to closely guard a player to be in the paint on defense or it’s a technical foul a free throw and they retain possession. In any zone go watch children play you can guard the paint and not have to closely guard an offensive player.

Jordan Jenkins if you take your entire offense to the 3 point line the defensive 3 seconds rule says all your players have to leave the paint. Now you get a big man further away from the basket he can’t protect it. So you can leave a bad shooter open but also your smaller players are not going to be able to protect the rim from a better athlete or some else who finishes well and has a quick first step. If zone was legal you wouldn’t have to leave the paint empty before 3 seconds expire.

@@kristion9774 it doesn't make money illegal it just means zone can't can't the lane as that would be too strong with a tall athletic big. The only real difference is the big has to take a foot off the lane once in a while

kanye weast the purpose of a zone is to keep you out of the paint on offense

kanye weast the purpose of defensive 3 seconds is to open up the game which means the driving lanes the paint. That’s written in the 2004/05 rule book for defensive 3 seconds to open up the game. It has resulted in scoring being easier than it has ever been in its history. And no if the floor is spread out on the 3 point line they can take the big to the opposite side of the court away from the quick athletic drivers which means they ya e to cover a lot of ground to get back to that side of the paint. Anyone watching today can see it’s much easier to penetrate and get a 1 on 1 and be at the basket in 1 to 2 moves for an uncontested layup or a small player will come contest 60% of the time in the half court to 85% of the time when 2004 and prior it was always 2 bigs coming to contest

Also, most team have 4 shooters on the floor at all times, and often 5

This is literally what he said in a newer video damn near Word for Word, you’re not slick😂😂

@Thugg12 Have not seen the newer video. The discussion about illegal defenses has been one for atleast a decade. It was the argument that was talked about when people compared LeBron and Jordan back when LeBron was in Miami. If this guy reached this conclusion only now, then I wonder about his basketball knowledge.

“Bumping Cutters” was never a thing. They clarify this in the Dream Team documentary. Amazing how poor NBA really is compared to Fiba basketball.

I think we should not get confused with flagrant fouls equaling good defense. 90s clearly let people get away with murder

That makes roster construction easier by creating artifical spacing but the outcome which is allowing Jordan to iso all game could be replicated in todays era by surrounding him with 3 and D players similar to how the Bucks and Rockets are built.

If illegal defense helped offensive players as much as a lot of people believe it did, why didn’t the league just keep it as a rule? Why get rid of a rule if it’s effective??? The problem with the ILLEGAL DEFENSE rule was that it flat out wasn’t enforced consistently enough... just look at footage from from the bad boys pistons squads, 90’s knicks squads, mid-late 90’s pacers squads and late 90’s- early 2000’s heat squads... they played zone like defense all the time, and the refs allowed it to happen . Those squads should’ve been called for illegal defense violation WAAAAAAAY MORE than they actually were. And because of that lack of enforcement, it was an INEFFECTIVE RULE.. that’s the MAIN REASON scoring went down like it did from 1989-2005. Teams got hip to that lack of enforcement, and learned how to exploit the rule to help their defenses.

Yo Juante, replicating this in the modern NBA in the fashion you described literally raises the floor of the NBA talent pool. You do see this correlation, right?

A rule is only effective if it is clearly defined and easier to enforce.

The comment above yours (by Cold Snap) blows up your argument completely. Jordan faced more double and triple teams than any player today. Watch how the Detroit Pistons "Jordan Rules" defense played him: double and triple teaming Jordan with and without the ball; forcing his teammates to make a play.

Exactly. Illegal defence rules artificially created space to score that a higher skill level of today now forces defences to play.

You have to stay close to a player even if he can't shoot seems like its made for the 90s. Lack of offensive talent in players 3-13 on a team. Isolation one on one playing from starts who make the league $.

It doesn't mean they're more talented. It simply means they work on 3 point shooting more because of the obvious emphasis on 3 point shooting now.

More physicality is allowed in the postseason because the refs don't blow their whistles nearly as much. This is common knowledge.

oacevedo81 it’s also why players like Steph and Harden are not as effective in playoffs. Teams physically beat them up offensively and defensively

Defense always intensifies in the finals lol duh

Alex Capitan Armendariz I mean Steph still averages around 26.5ppg and 7 ast on 40% shooting and 56% eFG in the postseason so I think he’s fine

Hi Hi he’s still great. But not as great as regular season curry.

Well said, but that is because the game morphed into a big man league at the time. That's why the Warriors were a team out of place then and it didn't work. People don't realise GS had been trying to get a backcourt led team to rings since back then maybe even before. Even in the 2000's they had Baron, Richardson and Jackson. The Bulls were unique because they had two of the best perimeter defenders and turnover creators of all time on defense to stifle opposition guards from feeding the bigs inside while also having the greatest and most versatile scorer in league history playing within a system that allowed them use the entire roster.

The way basketball is supposed to be played in my opinion. I mean the point of the sport is to score and to stop the other team from scoring, so i think hand checking is a good rule to give the game some physicality and not give too much of an advantage to the offensive player. NBA nowadays just seems like there isnt any competition and defense isnt relevant. Almost like the game has been destroyed to a degree.

You didn't listen to the actual recording of people stating they switched to forearm checking. Listening is fundamental. Defense was way more aggressive. Everyone knows the NBA changed the rules to have these ridiculous high scoring games compared to what scores used to be.

The east played a slow half court game and the west was run and gun. The west scored huge and it was GSW who was the team doing the big scoring you know like run TMC. And when the east teams played the west west got there butts kicked for the most part because the east would hammer the west. West coast teams in the day rarly beat the east because the esat were allowed to play as theycalled it. The west coast teams did not play like that so they were at a huge diadvantage. The east teamsalwayshad thugs and players that did not matter far as winning goes that would be toally out of line and get away with it. In the west if you seen a fight it would be because some fool like Barkley oud be pushing around some giuy like Terry teaugle for the GSW and Teaugle was like 6"5' 185 and Barkely was only 6"6' but was like 260. But what he did not count on was when Teaugle got pissed that dude cold fight he was not like the rst off the fight you seen where 2 fools who could not figh throwing Blows teaught hammered babkley but those fight people got in between it real fast.Barkley was hit by a glancing blow because people were grabing Teaugle but even with a glancng blow barkley was stagering around and he or anyone else never messed with him again. Because you could see the punches and he punched like a real fighter and everyone seen it. But that is the way it was west coast teams scored high and was exciting the east coast teams is one scored a 100 points that was huge the west teams hell 120, 130 was the norm. East cost teams were allowed to do to the west the same thigs teams are allowed to do to GSWand steph now days. And anyone who dont even Know that has no business taling about the tough days. It was tough on the west teams because they played BB the east the would just hammer the west teams if they tried to getto the paint but MJ did not get that treatment from the west teams because they duid not play like that. It was horse shit. And that isthe trut if you try to tell me east coast teams scored and played exciting BB you are full off shit and did not see BB back then/.

Spacing was bad because they couldn't shoot no shooters no Spacing

@@mauricesmith9293 don’t even bother responding to these dummies, who think they know all about basketball

@@mauricesmith9293 Bruhhh, the shooter's are the same in every era. Go watch the sharpshooters the Rockets had in 94 and 95. Go watch Jordan and a shit ton of other shooters. It just wasnt that easy back then, the players were simply more talented at the game.

@@albertozepeda1939 you much haven't watch what's Mike 3 point percentage and how many did he shoot not another with a bad % and barely nobody could shoot off the dribble it's a very few who could shoot then

Well zone defense didn't exist in Jordan's time lol wasn't reinstated till 2002

It was irrelevant. It wasn't a shooting foul. It would be called at some point every game and teams would just inbound the ball and continue as they were. Nobody cared about it. They did whatever they wanted. Zoomers are revising history by pretending that was actually an important thing. It wasn't. Anybody who watched basketball back then never even paid it any attention.

bojo perez but Kenny used to avg 17 points when he first came to the rockets and Hakeem scoring was lower than the title seasons. So no hand checking Kenny who nickname was the jet before the knees went out and he could fly in the sky would be a lot more dangerous. And New York has ball handlers they just weren’t allowed to show them in the old nba they called carrying more.

Watch his newer videos on foot on the line or the low post. But I still don’t understand how that remove someone’s credibility

hes that good lol

ALLEGEDLY

Is that the guy talking at the end? If so, he is a dumbass giving out false information. Jordan didn’t drive to the basket from 95-98. He drove from mid 80’s to early 90’s. By 95-98 he had perfected his midrange shot.

@@joshnic6639dumbass he said mj carried the nba from 95-98

@@joshnic6639 your braing dosent work very well lmao