That's why he isn't an all time great

@@bazillionaire8 He was a great one on one player not a winner though

@@bazillionaire8 no one knows who tf you are

@@user-lx6fj3kf3j good one That's such a great argument. Way to add to the conversation.

@@bazillionaire8 u didn’t add anything other then hate so I gave you the same energy :) don’t cry like a bitch

He was talking about his head coach Dwayne casey

@@jaywebster2125 Wow really I thought Casey was respected by the players lol

@@jaywebster2125 no way he was dwayne casey is a coach of the yr

I just looked up all his coaches and it was definitely Eddie Jordan

@@jaywebster2125 nah bro, he on MO cheeks ass, this was in his early Philly days. Nobody liked MO lol

So Shaq be lying about what he would do? Gtfoh

Where did say something about Shaq?

Everything he said is nonsense. Lol. This KZfaqr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/od2Ci62AtK60fJc.html

One is getting better at the craft the other isn't

Gilbert did both. That's why he left league rt?

@@museinmohammed8765 make sense

@@lyrics_matrix5704 I mean getting better at gambling isn’t bad. 🙃

The NBA should gather every old head players still alive in one room and have Gil roast them one by one with their shit takes 😭😂

Baaadddddd Booyyyyssssss

But don’t just go at the Pistons, it was the whole 80s. Celtics, 76ers, Lakers. They all played jail ball and were actually punching each other 😂. The 90s was the changing of the guard we see today where the rules were made to finally stop defenses from playing jail ball and close lining people. People forget that Jordan played in that closelining defense only at the beginning of his career. So when they show the highlights of him getting knocked out the air by piston players, that was in the 80s before he started winning. He complained to the league (as he should have) and the rules started changing and stopped allowing defenders to be such a skilless thing. The 90s is when defenders had to start adapting and using skills like predicting what direction an offensive player was driving and create offensive fouls or flopping. It trips me out people act like flopping is something that just recently got created. The great defenders who started it did it all the time like Scottie and Dennis Rodman. It’s a skill

@@greg2797 Fake news on Jordan,, again.

@@zpacify what part?

Brutal

true, Draymond green is 6'7 but PF in todays game

Shaq 27 dropped points on him in all their matchups😭😂😂😂plz

@@xpertyt6801 And what was his usual average?

He guarded those guys for a play here and there and would usually get cooked.

Lol. This KZfaqr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/od2Ci62AtK60fJc.html

Clothesline but yea lmao

@@MrXennon1both

You feel me😂 that’s my new go to

His face is priceless 😂

😭😭😭😭

Brooo and when shaq start talking about guys missing free throws. Really bruh? 😂😂😂

😭😭😭😭

@@Yourlocalfbiagentt amennnnnn. But I will say shaq was good for always hitting 1 out of 2 😂😂😂😂

@@Yourlocalfbiagentt Shaq always say he hit em when they count

Bruhh frfr!! And when they talk about super teams and players wanting to play with one another shits annoying cause Charles seems to forget he was in the rockets

He was one of the best. An All-Star starting guard.

before the Beard, we have Agent Zero.

He was a beast until he got hurt. Would have liked to see how he would have been healthy, in his peak.

Lmao I fw it for real

Gil needs to research the NBA rule changes before speaking. The NBA purposely changed the league rules to create higher scoring and made it a more perimeter friendly game.

@@rmtjr237 you don’t think he knows that? 😂😂😂. That’s not the point smh

@@marinazinovic2367 what's the point then?

@@rmtjr237 ya everyone act like Gil speaking some next level shit . Truth is you can barely touch the players without it being a foul and I’m tired of teams shooting 40 threes a game .

Gil with Guns = real Prison

The good times

Alcoholic/cokehead basketball

@@scoringmachine4694 honestly in the 90s I wouldn't have be surprised if someone got stabbed going for a layups lol I don't understand why people act like it was the best when it really wasn't

@@thegawdvegito4260 Bro that's just the 80s that was tough like that don't believe the hype 90s were soft as baby shit mj got every call. Only "bad boy" team at the time was the knicks

you can say decline of viewership, i can say there is so many things to watch and how to watch it now, not every view is really counted now

More ratings now than then, it’s a worldwide sport and it’s still growing especially in Europe and even Canada where it’s hockey dominated. I see a ton of jerseys/merch everywhere I go. Explains why it’s the 2nd most popular sport worldwide behind soccer. You “think” viewers are going down but it’s not

Let’s totally not factor in the amount of subscriptions you have to pay for in order to watch games… let’s not factor in that the NFL is by far the more popular sport, let’s not factor in anything else when talking about the decline in viewership…. It’s crazy that people as stupid as you exist in this world

That means literally nothing lol. Nba was on one channel and showed 2 games a week. With illegal streaming and games on every local channel the ratings will go down. Internationally its wayyyyyyy more popular now

lmao

That’s cap, that’s not what happened.

Its rules to the streets too lol have my doe or meet the 44

I’m assuming you’re old asf and you’re using his mistake to discredit all the CORRECT things he’s saying💀 nobody wants to hear 90yr olds talk bruh. They had their time and fame so now they need to stfu and enjoy retirement

He was late on half of em 😭

That shit hurt me ears. More than half of us grown. And the other half know what he’s saying. Stop the beeps

didn't even beep out the word shit

Gilbert did nothing in the NBA but pull a gun out on his teammate! He aint won nothing! He was an slightly above average player! That's it! He need to shut his mouth!

@@hiphopsmaddness It's time to cancel Gilbert too! He's a clown who did nothing in the league! The boy had no heart Lebron Tapped his chest and this emotional nut bag miss two free throws!

i mean gill does all the time

But Gill did say he didn’t wanna play defense back then so he knowsssss his defense wouldn’t be good now 😂😂

Of course they talk about back in the days but at least understand the evolution of the game and don’t hate lmao

Yeah Gil not like these old heads

Gil played during that transition from 90s iso/post-up heavy basketball, to the pick and roll heavy but not yet raining 3s offense of the 2010s. So I think he's got a good perspective since he played when the NBA was just starting to evolve into what it is now.

no he didn’t

Kobe only averaged 17 PPG at age 38 what you Talkin bout??? Kobe even sold out Game 7 against Steve Nash Phoenix Suns cause he just wants to send messages to the front office that the roster is not good enough that he needs help🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷

I agree but im sure he meant that as in the all around game. Back then they used to have these musicians actually playing live instruments to record a song and now it’s easier to do that with producers and beat makers

@@mohammedelmahdi1892 I feel you I think he meant it’s evolved which it has but for the worst lol

"you bounced that mf 42 times" 🤣

@@Munchkkinz 😂😂😂

It was so easy to become a hall of famer back then. Held to such a lower standard than the players today.

@@mikecrip I know right? Even you could’ve done it!

Yep

Yup I don't agree with this take at all in alot of regards.i think even players before thay like magic/ bird would still be great players today,same goes for rodman pippen etc they would still be great.i think there's just more good/great players today then there were In the past.

Absolutely the NBA today has about 30 superstars just like the NBA of yesterday or 90s per say. So skillfully it has evolved but people are only going to mention the same names like KD , Giannis, Steph, Lebron, Kyrie, etc. it ain’t a whole lot of bad mfs in today’s NBA . Gilbert be bugging sometimes

I do agree with Gils take overall, but context matters. I don't believe Stockton was trash at all, his game translates very well all time. However, I do believe he was slightly overrated in comparison to talent that has come after him. His assist record is moreso a testament to his longevity and the luck of pairing with EDP Malone for 2 decades.

@@michaelrudolph1428 every team got somebody beyond the top 2 players who can do something very well. You can't say that about the 90s. Paxson and kerr can hit 3 but where's the d? Anthony Mason can be a draymond on defense but liability on offense. Rudy go gobert is a C from the 70 80s.

LMFAO!! True, to a degree... You can't dribble the ball, below the free throw line, with your back or your side to the basket, for over 5 seconds...

Facts

Looool and people want that basketball in today’s game. Backing down your defender for 15 seconds. Ooffff

@@newrecruit100 the rule is 5 seconds though...oof...🤔😂

Gil speaking facts here!

Dude mad disrespectful 😂

Whatever it takes to stop Jordan.

These days they just give a player the lane. I prefer actually caring to stop the player from scoring and make em earn it at the line

@@andreearl3258 watch the game

@@jac23mj say something worth saying

@@andreearl3258 Like you said anything of value lmao

I think he would make a good coach

@@salvatoreventura7461 avging 29 a season is trash? Damn lmao

@@salvatoreventura7461 try again

yeah, but his opinions are just nonsense.

@@busterkeaton1001 what's nonsense he said?

He had many bad takes one was where he said kwame was bust

Flopping is a skill is a bad take

@@rapperastoned he was a bust

@@bonn0077 kwamw wasn’t a bust he jus not number 1 pick

Rodman guarded Shaq and held his own....Gilbett has zero clue.

You mean likes of luka and jokic who is literally the plumbers in 90s!?

Lol yall kids bro? Ok so in the 80s in 90s everybody had a post game n the iq was better, not as much turnovers than now but yall like long 3s n flashy dunks n say the game more skill when none of the guards have post games n most bigs don't either but they're more skilled cause they shoot 3s no u gotta have multiple skills n they don't pups

Flopping is done to draw fouls and it takes skill to do it effectively. Btw flopping has been around for many generations.

@@memcrew1 flopping is a skill according to idiots.

@@studiobauhaus7740 yet players are making millions doing it…

@@xavierfarrow you can be an idiot and make millions. Dont be a fool and think rich and successful people cant be idiots.

Bill Laimbeer was known throughout the League for his flopping...in the 80s....so I dont wanna hear it

Lou knows his place

Iverson dominate and he's small

He way more skilled than the 90 guards

Gil talking about Scottie and Rodman being small guards while 5'9 IT was dropping nearly 30 a game lol.

@@GameChanger-xi4iy but he shot 3’s

….. What’s your day job?

@@Tybuscus23 Gil must be a family member 😂

@@shhmatdelski8386 didn't even try with that one smh

Except Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson and Tim Hardaway were “that”. Gilbert just doesn’t understand that these players were all better than he was.

@@HT-sm9dm Oscar Robertson was not breaking ankles my guy

@@domination4892 first of all I’m not “your guy” ya fruit. Second of all, how tf do you know what Oscar Robertson was doing and not doing?

@@HT-sm9dm Watch the games and footage of him on the internet for yourself

@@HT-sm9dm My guy

and all the superstars play like this, it’s good to get fouls but that shit is annoying to watch for the fans

Exactly, Gil is not trying to acknowledge that.

@@poundthatpavement652 flopping and soft fouls happened in the 90s stfu

Era bias always gone come into play but this era doo be flopping like a mf doe every play lol

They got that from the 90s boss Reggie did it mike got bs calls and pushing people out the air when they can’t guard them isn’t talent or good defense it’s trash tbh and skill less everybody ain’t like that but a lot of em was

They wouldn’t dare 😂😂😂

He would look like a fool. His understanding is quite off for a guy who played the game. You guys should watch the "Odd Couple" take on this

These old heads would hate it

@@dadillonful Gil articulates himself at a 5th grade level. You probably do the same. He is embarrassing us.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Like allowing mj them free roam to the rim? 😂 Stop being dumb

@@nmbmemphisbeast3690 free roam? Stop

Regardless basketball is wayyy more skilled now than it was in the 90s y’all have to let it go.

Today's players are 1000% more skilled and it's not even close tbh

@@scoringmachine4694 he acknowledged the skill but you if you could play more aggressive defense now it would absolutely make an impact

Nah. You can drop Jordan anytime.

@@TheRoadLessChosen Wrong. They would call fouls on Jordan.

@@msp5138 huh? Found on Jordan? Wtf are you talking about?

It is a thought experiment to 'drop' a player in. For one it compares skill sets, the skill which steph, lebron, kyrie etc display is far superior to what you see in 75 which is the point of saying the skill set is higher today.

@@justinlevy274 man, I agree 95%. But it's getting to the point where it might be hard for these players to adapt to that old style. Refs have evolved....rulings have evolved. Allen Iverson's crossover was sometimes called a travel, with certain refs. We drop Kyrie in the 70s... We take away all that fancy dribbling, that will get called traveling, carry, or palming. We take away the euro steps, the 0 step, the crab dribble, the step back.... It'd be interesting. I still think they dominate, but for a game or two I'd be hilarious to watch them try to adapt.

So there is no defense for that? What happened to the other side of the ball? Remember they are playing another team. Even if they were bigger and faster, aren't they also bigger and faster on defense?

The players are not more skilled Lmao 🤣

Scoring 120 after getting touched up in the lane by the big man.

Lou cool as hell. But they salty cause 90s would spank they ass. 🤣

They weren't averaging that.

Somebody doesn’t look up stats 😂

@@AtlantaSpanish they're not averaging 130 today like he claimed, either. more like 115.

What evolved? Your evolution is run down take stupid shots Remove most skill needed and replace with volume stupid shoots Can bigs like AD Embid and such do more then say Hakeem? Sure but show me 1 big today who can dominate the game like Hakeem or Shaq This is where low iq hangs fans with dumb answers like they can play zone now....... Name 1 college player then who aint face any defense ran today in college I got all week u wont find 1 so thats moot If the game "evolved" got "better" Why has ratings kept declining and set all time lows last year During a pandemic where we were so deaperate for ANYTHING NEW Lmao last dance did more numbers then ANY current game easy Sorry junior to protect a weak af queen james NBA ripped big men out of the game and lessened the skill of the game Btw history shows whats better Inside out undefeated vs jumpshoting teams unless Jordan was the other team his 1st 3 peat 2nd he was the post player

@@lukelucky1311 thanks for the rant and assuming i'm a junior lol.

@@solephonic your knowledge of the game is extremely juvenile void of facts

@@lukelucky1311 i just posted a quote. calm down.

@@lukelucky1311 the game has evolved immensely since the 90’s, 1. Shooters are on another planet today and that’s including big men who rarely shot from the perimeter in the 90’s. 2. Teams play more team oriented style of ball than in the 90’s where dominant post players dominated the bulk of scoring. 3. Point guards aren’t just pass first guys anymore, it’s crucial that your pg can pick & roll and be a threat to score. 4. Defense isn’t just one on one until your man gets beat and hopefully your center can make up for it anymore, teams now have schemes and zone coverages depending on the matchup (illegal defense made it impossible back in the day) 5. The game has grown exponentially across the globe, producing better players all over the world. The international pool of players is slowly matching and surpassing homegrown talent

None of them was playoff memories🤣🤣🤣

@@lakeshow-vq1rm 😂 funny that u say that.. John wall gave me my 1st playoff memory, when him a Kyle lowery was about to fight that shit was lit 😂

Gilbert needs to remember the episode of Knuckleheads where he admitted that little Gary Payton posted him up and killed him. And then when they switched the big guy onto Payton, he posted up their big guy too. It doesn’t matter how big you are if the other person is that good at posting up. Posting up is a lost art form for point guards nowadays. No more Gary Payton’s or Mark Jackson’s who can do it that well. So yeah, there was a reason why Gilbert should be afraid of these little guys. He’s acting like size and athleticism is the be all end all. Payton and John Stockton would still school the player’s of today.

Billups was a beast in the post too

Ask Westbrook he post up lil Nd big guards

You LiIITle

Every team seems like they have a star or near one . But best era has to go to either 90’s or early-mid 2000’s

@@ktv9035 thats cuz ppl only remember the few top guys in that era. Actually try to find a full game vid of a team without those guys and its brutal to watch. Shit spacing and lots of missed shots

Although this is the most talent the league has ever had , I feel like the best basketball was played in the early 2000 to mid 2000s but that’s just my opinion .

@@Put_U_Smooth true,league now got more talent for sure but lacks rivalries and rules ruining it more and more with soft calls and bad shooters keep shooting three's

@@Put_U_Smooth that literally was the slowest era of basketball history

The HOF bigs back then could barely dribble!!! Today's Bigs can dribble. Big difference.

@@ozonespec HOF bigs back then had footwork/post game. Players today might dribble better but that’s Rodman’s game on defense.. he was fast and a pest on defensively

@@BenjiClips614 Footwork doesn't equate to quick lateral movement.

@@ozonespec that’s besides the point but have a productive day, sir.

@@BenjiClips614 That's not besides the point, it's spot on.

It's not track n field, those metrics aren't that important

@@GuideToModernFootball exactly bro

@@GuideToModernFootball they think bigger, stronger, faster is a skills and it’s not...skills are shit that can be taught... guys on the perimeter are averaging 25 a night and can’t hit water in a boat...more athletic yes but nore skilled no

100% today's players are waaaaay more skilled

The league has gone small and faster, not bigger and stronger. And it's not about generation either, it's about how the game is played today and what personnel suits it best. I love Gil but rn he's just trying to rope in kids with these hottakes

Players back then wouldn’t be good enough to be in the league

@@dadillonful if they were born in this era, they would be

Bro them coaches from 2000s would have had a heart attack if you did that you'll never see minutes again

Alot guys could shot evrn high school level from mid court but just didn't cause coaches ..I shot a couple but it was men's league tourneys with no coach thrn

Half court shots are stupid tho

@@hightide7662 They are. I’d rather drive. But there throwing up half court shots in the middle of game now.

@@hightide7662 if you can make it, it’s not stupid

What a way to say nothing.

We’re you in the NBA ?

@@connormathias5779 😂😂😂

@D Thomas He 6'8 205 he doesn't have the body mass to be over 220.

Rodman say he would lock down lebron... bullshit... he cnt guard bron or KD

Exactly Everytime I watch a game now everyone on the court is under 6'8

Nick batum can shoot it’s different

@@HeHe-zx2ei draymond green is 6’5 220 and Dennis rodman is 6’8 both play PF. Yet draymond is known to be one of the 2010s best defenders but Dennis rodman is now undersized?

I think a lot of people understand but petty & trolling > being realistic. Old heads talk down on the game constantly so then young dudes reply to that with equal hot takes and old heads get mad

That's exactly what it is man it's somewhere in the middle

Exactly

I agree. But everybody on the opposite ends wants to be right tho

Players are better now

Numbers and history say ur wrong

@@m.j.w.2876 post some info.. almost every team had only one scoring threat. The other 4 you didn't have to worry about them. Just have to sag and clog the lane.

@@ppheann 100

That word is wrong its called nuts not nostalgia gotta be nuts to say a outdated era is better

@@cmoneytheman Preach! Only basketball fans think the game goes in reverse 😂

@@codys3009 well not only bball its nuts who say a fighter from 30-40s in boxing would beat a way more advanced one from 70s-90s And its nuts who say a basic fighter from 70s could beat one from 80s-now the boxing nuts is way worst video proof has been showed mutiple times showing advances over these years yet they still act blind and say those outdated era's was better

These dudes talkn down like they NBA Champs or sum

Rings dont determine players as much in basketball anymore

@@jbtreshawn Rings will always determine who's best amongst the greats in basketball. Its BASKETBALL!

@@hardart- who better AI or Wade and why?

@@hardart- or scottie and dr j?

Curry is known to play worse with physical defense applied to him

I honestly dont see giannis and embid killing dudes like robinson, shaq, akeem and some others that was the era of the big man

Half of the guys you mentioned are already limping in this era with zero defense and you planning on sending them to an era where defense is more emphasized. Yeah sure buddy.

Sure bud. This KZfaqr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/od2Ci62AtK60fJc.html

And players are just more skilled can’t forget about that

actually the offense just got better and the floor is more spread out

The defense rules allowing u to hand check and hack ppl instead of playing real defense? Most of these guys would’ve got dropped every game if those rules gone a long time ago tony Allen the goat on the ball defender Fr no hand check no hacks straight lock-in u up

3 points is worth more than 2 points simple math. Players are more skilled today and shoot more 3s

Factual!

@DieuJose LeManifique 8 assists = no ball hog

@DieuJose LeManifique explain how he was a ball hog then.

@DieuJose LeManifique anyone who averages near 8 assists isn’t a ball hog except for maybe harden although that’s the result of his system

@DieuJose LeManifique there are guards who hold on to the ball just as much if not more than Marbury and they werent averaging 8 assist most of their career. And all point guards in that era had the ball the most. So grays a moot point.

He was on my fav team for several years he was a BALLHOG I saw it first hand

These players are built bigger too not just more nutrition.

@@ytbasketball101 It's not just the food it's the personal training, recovery methods, sports science, and the income to take advantage of all that. The average height and size of players has remained about the same since the 60s. Wilt was one of the few players that worked with weights and he became insanely big and strong. As time has passed the methods have improved and changed in a dramatic way. This isn't here say, it's science. Take Goerge McGinnis for example. George was 6'8" and about 240 of solid muscle and never lifted nuthin except cigarettes to his mouth. He had an amazing 8 year prime then faded out. Drop that man into modern basketball with his excellent touch, natural strength, great skill, and all the money and training that this era affords and you'd have another Lebron, that's how good he was. Oh, and by the way, his peak was in the 70s. Gus Johnson was another forward like that in the 60s and then in the 80s you had players like Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, and others. I could go on but you get the picture.

@develon Anthony Of course they did but sports science has come a long way

@develon Anthony The rules have changed A LOT to allow that development to happen. All the step backs and crossovers would have been called traveling and carrying the ball until the NBA started letting players get away with it. It's not like players just started getting more coordinated 😂

Man Gil talking like those greats was all 6'1 when there where big dudes aplenty back then

That's TRUE I was like whoa he locked Shaq down!

But Rodman couldn’t stop Lebron. Lebron is too fast and even stronger than Shaquille .

Lebron stronger than shaq🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@lakeshow-vq1rm ?

no he did not lol. He had one good game. Shaq dominated him lol.

Yeah it was so hard to score in the 80s. Game 1 nba finals 1987...126-113, game 2 141-122, game 3 103-109, game 4 107-106, game 5 108-123, game 6 106-93...yeah it was so hard to score.

@@benjaminpeters6729 I hadn't realized that '87 was in the '90s!

@@emmapeel38 HA, that was my first thought as well…maybe he thinks it works like centuries..like the 19th century is the 1800s.

Exactly. The rule changes helped speed up the game and the players evolved.

@@benjaminpeters6729 🤡

Real life

the refs were awful then.

What do you mean "allows?" If someone is fouled, the refs call it. You expect the refs to close their eyes when a fast break is about to begin?

@@kingmalik09 No goofy. If its an unnatural foul you give the team who got fouled FTs and the ball to stop that foul from occurring. Like they do in international play.

@@zType2 this isn’t international play💀newsflash not every league has the same rules and plays an archaic style of basketball

Exactly

228- not too far off

@@RiverwoodTampaBay bro I'm 237. Rodman weighed more then me for sure.

@@williamh.gatesiii8183 Just googled it and he weighed about 220 when he played LMAO KD weighs 240.

Wrestling with Shaq and guarding Embid with strength handles shooting 3s etc is night and day

Joel Embiid

Giannis Dwight

@@domination4892 cap no he can’t

@@obi-nine1504 nope prime deight couldn’t even handle old Shaq lol and Giannis too small for shaq lmao

@@OmarGarcia-qp9tt Shaq would also get exposed on defense, he would be interesting to see for sure.

Why would Lou need to google Luke Walton? His career wasn’t over 30years ago.

Who gives a fuck, you're acting like the forwards/guards of today wouldn't take advantage of their non lateral quickness having asses on the perimeter all game long.

@@kingshottah4429 I'm only asking for truth no exaggeration from anyone. Gil saying that PFs were 6'4 in that era.. false. PJ Tucker could play center in this era but NEVER then. I look at who plays PF now as opposed to even 10 yrs ago, these guys are little. And seeing that the 80s was the era of the big guard (Magic was drafted in 79 and was killing so the league adjusted.. hell George Gervin was 6'8 SG in 77. Just say the skill level went up. Don't claim they were smaller. That's a lie.

@@reodagreo7637 I mean he can all they'd have to do is run a small ball line up and kill them from 3 lmao

@@kingshottah4429 and then you got to stop a actually skilled big like Hakeem or Shaq... Hell even 7'4 Rik Smits would rape PJ Tucker. They'd literally score 80% every time down the court. That or be doubled and then their team gets open looks from 3... That being said, I wasn't talking bout none of that (hell, the new guys may very well beat the older one's idgas). All Im saying is don't lie to try to make your point more "valid"

@@reodagreo7637 3 vs 2 which one is more? Its almost like you haven't watched basketball in the past 4 years