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I don't think the Ice Harvesters needed to look for Kristoff, because he's still an Ice Harvester himself in the first movie, so I assume that even though the trolls adopted him, he still went back to harvest ice, so they never noticed he went missing. And if he told them about being adopted by the trolls, they probably just thought he was fantasising and laughed it off.

Not a bad theory but I think we could take it a step further, as others have pointed out - Kristoff's parents would have had to be around the same age as Anna and Elsa's parents, so 15 at best. Which means instead of 2 adults being left separated from their home and culture we now have kids. Kids who were probably old enough to be given chores like 'round up the Reindeer that got separated or lost' or who just went out to explore and play and play hookie during the big celebration and then suddenly found themselves cut off from their parents, grandparents, culture...and the only thing left to them are the reindeer that either they took with them (to ride) or the reindeer they went to look for. Against the odds and more than likely quite a bit of discrimination given the mood at the time Kristoffs parents managed to eke out a living, raise a small herd or perhaps, join an ice business to make ends meet. Additionally, given the animation decision to give Kristoff blond hair and a fairer complexion than the North Uldra people it would be reasonable to assume that Kristoff, like Anna and Elsa, is only half North Uldra. I would bet that Kristoffs North Uldra parent (most likely his mother) married one of the ice men (since it looks like all the workers were men). Kristoff's own clothes gives this further credit because his clothes as a kid would have been made by his mother, and the design nods to both the icemen outfits and the North Uldra look as J pointed out. (Edit: this would also align nicely with the point @Ida Marie Myklebust mentioned in their post about the Norwegian governments attempts to assimilate the Sami people). As for what tragic accident befel his parents, I have a guess as well. I would bet that like all our favorite disney princesses of yore that Kristoff's mom died before Kristoff was able to form any strong memories, so say before he was 2. His father, gives him a reindeer companion to honor his mothers heritage and culture but can't provide much more than that (perhaps the calf of his mothers own reindeer?). Even with the death of his wife Kristoff's father knows he needs to continue to work to keep food on the table and care for Kristoff, and without someone at home to care for the boy, Kristoff's father brings him along to work every day. This is the routine that Kristoff grows up with until a tragic day when during work, there is an accident. normally little Kristoff is left at the sled to play with Sven and stay warm while the adults work and at the end of the day the adults pack up all the ice and Kristoff rides with them. This day is different, something slipped, something fell, and Kristoffs father is dead. the other workers knew him as a crew mate and none of them can take in another mouth to feed, but they still have compassion. The boy is too young to understand but they make him a little sled, give him their smallest ice pick, and they give him a lantern and tell him he's part of the crew now. Each of the families do a little bit here and there to help the boy, mend his clothes, buy his ice etc and they begin to raise Kristoff as a village. Kristoff is sad but that fades, and he knows these men so he's not scared and soon he falls into a new routine. Too few memories to mourn, and with Sven at his side and a new task and new friends to keep his mind busy its easy to picture the curious and happy kid we meet at the beginning of Frozen. To this end, I dont think the troll's actually needed to erase Kristoffs memory, I think he was mostly on his own as far as his memory could recall, because he wasn't able to form strong or consistant memories apart from working with the ice. They definitly still could have, but its more likely that they erased the memories of the icemen themselves to keep people from asking too many questions about the boy that no longer came home to the town but always came to work.

Often in folklore, when children went miss, it was said that they were taken by fae folk like trolls, faeries etc. so they didn’t go looking for him as there was nothing they could do. It was considered bad luck or a bad omen to try and take them back.

Actually in the Frozen book, "Dangerous Secrets" there's a scene where a pregnant woman goes to the trolls because she wants to forget the pain from the loss of her husband who died in an ice accident. I'm not 100% sure the timing lines up, but I'm pretty sure it's Kristoff's mother

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I love this! I'm Norwegian, and live in the northern part of the country - and this whole Sami plot in Frozen is very accurate! The Norwegian government decided somewhere around 1850 to start assimilate Sami people, and turn them into "real" Norwegians. In my native language this is referred to as "fornorskningspolitikk" and the government has later officially regretted the entire process. Frozen II resembles these politics clearly, and the whole dam situation is also directly inspired (or at least so I seams) by a very real revolt in a city called Alta. I'm so sorry to ramble. I just find it very fascinating.

In Norway you got a thing from old lore called 'bergtatt' roughly translates to rocktaken or mountain taken. Basically trolls come out at night and kidnap people, usually kids but sometimes young men. I just assumed why kristoff was with the trolls were a nicer version of that. See, trolls are a weird thing thats sometimes nice and helpful, and sometimes the villain in the stories. Not the first time Disney have Milden up stories for the screen after all.

Something just hit me. Kristoff is a guy with a reindeer. KRIS has a REINDEER. He's going to become Santa Claus!!! Sven's full name must be Blitzsven.

The Trolls' free reign on memories has a lot to do with their villainous capabilities. As long as their intentions are pure and they're responsible with it this stuff can be fine. I just know it was a talking point early on that showing young Elsa consequence of fear and not concealing could have harmed her, keeping the "fun" in Anna's mind made their separation hurt more, and if they intercepted Hans at any point...

What if the reason why Kristoff's parents left him was because they went with Anna and Elsa's parents. Kristoff's parents possibly joined and then left him with the ice collectors. Being outsiders, the family wouldn't be thought of much and likely were treated more like just a couple of extra hands. So, when Kristoff's parents don't come back and Kristoff went missing in a subzero area, they likely wouldn't put much effort into finding him.

Then it would make sense why Kristoff says "I know the woods," when he had supposedly never been there before. He had been. But he didn't remember.

unless I misunderstood, I was under the impression that Anna and Elsa's mother was North Aldran so of course some North Aldran people were trapped outside of the mist.

Another great theory, although something you might’ve missed: the mist came in around the time Anna & Elsa’s parents were children. Since Kristoff is about the same age as them, he wouldn’t have any memories of his people. Still a great theory! Also, since Rise of the Beast had its trailer come out, will you guys do a transformers video or theory?

What if Harry never summoned the Knight Bus? Would Sirius get to Harry to tell him the truth sooner? Would he get to Peter sooner?

The Northuldra leader looks like an older version of young Iduna... I can't be the only one who's noticed that

If you guys need ideas for a J vs Ben, I think it would be cool if you had one where you have to guess the voice actor for a character (or the other way around)!

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In the novel, it says that Idunna and Agnar went to Troll Valley where they saw the trolls talking to a blonde woman who was heavily pregnant and was described as being an ice harvester. The book said the woman was visiting the trolls to grieve the tragic loss of her husband and the father of her unborn child. I think that woman was Kristoff's mother. One of the Trolls used their power to erase the woman's memory which would explain why Kristof never learned about where he actually came from. After the mist sealed the land they had to find other means of surviving which was becoming ice harvesters. Kristof's father possibly died doing this job, and his mother as well which would explain why the ice harvesters had no issue with him being underfoot but did nothing to take care of him. They were used to him being there but his parents were still outsiders from a strange land.

I have memories back to age 7 - at age 7 I could possibly survive ... I have memories before age 7.. they are stories I have been told, and are remembered as stories about me rather than memories by me Early memories are well known to be false, reconstructed, or conflated ... a very few are inconsequential, not remembered by others and are probably genuine, but are non-specific, and vague

Have you ever read Conceal, Don't Feel by Jen Calonita? It's a children's novel asks the question, "What if Anna and Elsa never knew each other?" It's a great story and expands on some of the ideas from the first movie.

I believe his parents were iced harvesters and they fell into the water leaving kristoff and Sven by themselves, which is the start of the movie where kristoff ends up with the trolls and tells them what happened so that erases memory to only see men who harvest ice rather than his parents and their demise

My only criticism of this theory is that Kristoff does not look Northuldra (hair color and skin tone). I would modify the theory in this way. Kristoff’s mother got trapped out of the mist and had a child with one of the ice harvesters. Then maybe the ice harvester fell through the ice or something, I don’t know. But that would explain how he ended up being around the ice harvesters, and his story would mirror Anna and Elsa’s that much more closely

I was going to say perhaps Kristoff's parents died separately. IE His mother died giving birth to him then his father died when he was a toddler (around 3-5 maybe) which is young enough to not remember his folks but then it seeming like "it was always just me and Sven"

A missed opportunity of the sequel is the possibility of kristoff using his history with the trolls to converse with the earth spirits.

i dont think they needed to erase his memory. there are plenty of stories of children that were taken captive by the native Americans. most of the young children dont recall life before becoming a native, some even remembering nothing. there was one story where one where was found yEaRs later by their long lost family, they were called by name, and although they didnt remember the name it moved them deeply as if they knew it.

Alright! Here’s my theory. I agree that Kristoff’s parents were Northuldra. Although my thought is that at least one of his parents were a part of the community that harvested ice. Hence why he has that Swedish blonde hair rather than the dark hair of the Northuldra people. So, when the mist fell, the group of Northuldra who were herding the reindeer in the summer fields beyond the forest border would be separated from those inside the forest. In that aspect I agree. The thing is that clearly most of the reindeer were still within the forest. That would be why there are still reindeer when Anna, Elsa, and Kristoff show up in Frozen 2. However there are no reindeer in Frozen at all besides Sven. Which brings me to the theory of who Kristoff’s parents are and how they died. Let’s say that a few people were caught outside the mist because some reindeer had wandered off and they sent a party to go and look for them. One of those could have been a kid and had to learn how to survive in a world without magic. This person would have to take care of the reindeer in a territory that was unfamiliar to them. Falling into frozen lakes were very possible. They also would have used reindeer for clothing and food. The number they would have been herding would dwindle significantly. Cue the Ice Harvesting community. With dwindling resources the Northuldra who managed to survive the unfamiliar territory likely sold some reindeer so that they could pull their sleds of ice. This would be how parent 1 would meet parent 2. In the few years that these two people met and made a family with Kristoff it could be possible that Sven was the last reindeer born out of that herd as well. With Kristoff of Sven at home with his parents working a reindeer driven sled and ice harvesting it is likely that those reindeer and his parents both died. Kristoff wouldn’t be present though. He wouldn’t know how they died just that he and Sven were the only thing he remembers clearly. I also believe that the Ice Harvesters were Saami and the Northuldra were more of a nomadic community like the Native Americans who moved based on the seasons. The Saami settled in frigid conditions and thrived. The Northuldra aren’t staying in one place for very long. So Kristoff and Sven are basically Anna and Elsa as a bridge between two peoples. Which coincidentally is why he could also go through the barrier like Anna and Elsa did. The conflict however was with Arendelle and not the Saami people that Kristoff is likely associated with. Then again who would know better about isolation and community than a boy who came from two cultures that he lost and then was adopted by magical trolls. Kristoff is literally their spirit guide.

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Using this as a starting point, it is more likely that his has one parent form both sides like the queens, since he has blond hair and none of the natives do.

Impressive theory and the explanation of how Kristoff potentially got abandoned. Kristoff is the same age as young Elsa being 8 years old. He is 3 years older than Anna, Kristoff is 24 years old and Anna is 21 years old considering the ages the fog began he potentially was wandering off being a young kid. From the tribe within the fog to get himself locked out from the fog as winter gets closer Kristoff helped with ice cubes and got found by rock trolls

Just one more reason to believe the trolls are the real villains of the first movie. Just how many people have they messed with.

Why would his parents be out reindeer herding alone as teenagers? Anna Elsa and Kristof are the same age so you would imagine his parents would be the same age as their parents. So why would they be able to survive so long only to suddenly die because of being "trapped outside"

addon theory: what if the flashback of christoph as a kid with the ice is his point of view with the memory whipe? As in it's supposed to be a cute memory of him helping his parents, but that part is all that remained like olaf from from the meroy with elsa

Well those memories can be restored and then Chris would want revenge on the “family“ who betrayed him

Just finished bingeing a whole load of videos and this has come at the perfect time with my favourite movie!!!

Would both of Kristoff's parents have necessarily been Nothuldrans, though? I mean, look at Agnarr and Iduna and their children. I understand the Sami in real life are made up of various phenotypes, of course, but if Kristoff is only a generation away from the natives of the Enchanted Forest than maybe one of his parents was Arendellian or at least non-Sami. I actually like that idea because it would mean the three main human characters of the Frozen films are all biracial and descended from indigenous peoples.

Also, he could have just simply left those memories out of the discussion because at that point he knew anna about as long as she new hans and thats a pretty personal topic to discuss with someone youve know for like 2 days

A question Ive wanted answered since i watched frozen. Cant wait to see what you have to say

Before refrigeration, people wouldn't ice their drink because the ice was river water and so wasn't safe to drink unless you boiled it.

Fun fact: a Netflix film called Trolls came out recently. Let's just say, be glad that Frozen made the trolls look like this instead of making them REAL trolls

Man, this upcoming quiz is going to be the most brutal one yet. I wish ye luck Ben

So now we have to hope that his parents weren't related to Iduna...

I remember right before Frozen 2 came out, I had a dream where it was revealed that the trolls killed Kristoff’s parents and wiped his memories. I woke up and when I saw Frozen 2 I was low key disappointed it wasn’t the plot of the movie.

The trolls are the secret villains of this series.... They were evil in the original story and this perception changes everything about who I see the Disney version now. The trolls advice to Anna and Elsa's parents in the first movie is the catalyst for the entire story and it was all bad advice in hindsight . 🙄

This is one of the things I love about Frozen two is because of the samí representation my great-grandma and grandpa were samí from the finnish part and my grandma was first born American

Nice video. Not that it changes the main theme of the theory, but you might want to read up a bit on Scandinavian folk lore concerning trolls. Some things that were believed were so common that a lot of people still today has at least heard of it. Trolls are said to sometimes kidnap human babies or kids and raise them as their own, and sometimes leave a "changeling", either a troll-kid, or a doll bewitched to look like the kidnapped kid, so the parents won't notice until it's too late. In some parts troll are described as looking a lot like humans, so much so that they can pretty easily disguise themselves as humans, and so the changeling kids might be raised as a human without no-one noticing, though the troll blood usually leaves traces, like the kid being unusually strong or perceptive, or in areas where troll are shunned a bit more, the kids could have lopsided features or grow up to be slow in the head (probably a historical way to explain people who today would be diagnosed with some mental condition).

It would be so cool if Kristoff is Northuldran because then they are also part Northuldran and part Arendellian king and queen, just like Anna’s parents.

In ICE BATH Quiz?! Yeesh, may the Fire Spirit be with you and Ben for that one.

Just took the survey! I LOVE this theory, it was my first thought when I saw Frozen 2 that Kristoff was North Uldra! I saw a long detailed comment about how he’s more likely half North Uldra like Anna and Elsa and that makes a lot of sense. Excited to see what 2023 brings with this channel and can’t wait for the next fandom trivia stream whenever it is!!! Much love to you guys!!

Thanks for a great video again! If you are looking for books to read for your children, I recommend you check out some Scandinavian / Nordic writers, especially since you both seem to have a thing for our culture! 😊 Astrid Lindgren, Selma Lagerlöf, Elsa Beskow, Tove Jansson, Kirsi Kunnas, H.C. Anderssen… All great storytellers. I myself grew up with their stories, and could not recommend them more! Especially Tove Jansson and her magical world of Moomins… You guys would love it! It has all the themes you embrace! And Astrid Lindgren’s strong girl heroes, they were my role models growing up! There are some movie / series adaptations from the works of most of these authors, so there could be some material for videos too! But mostly just wanted to recommend you and your children some excellent literature ❤️

11:55 or the trolls are the reall bad guys of the setting and erased his mind making him think he didnt have any parents.

Been a while since the last Frozen video, but man is it worth the wait. Does Disney try to squeeze out another Frozen feature or are they done officially? Hope they don't try to go to the well too much because the theatrical releases lately have not yielded numbers anywhere close to the Frozen movies (COVID of course being a big factor).

There is also another possibility that goes along with this theory, just kinda branches off. As mentioned: the trolls took him in, no parents in sight, etc. What's also very possible is that his parents got caught in the mist while their son, Kristoff, was outside of the area playing and he got trapped outside while they were trapped inside. Which is where he got lost in the woods, found the ice harvesters and that lead him to the trolls through the story plot. So the parents would have been trapped inside the mist, I'm sure the grief was hard and it's clear time passed inside the mist, so it's very possible that they passed away during that time and no one has made a connection between Kristoff and his deceased parents. Being a tribe that lived in the forests, I'm sure it's natural for something like that to happen sadly. Kids go out playing and get separated and lost and the parents never find them. With the mist blocking them in, they couldn't search outside of the mist to try to find him.

People just don't remember memories before 7

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Kristoff's file photo that looks like he was trying to look to much like Hans. [Chills] [see what i did there?]

Interesting theory though I personally would think given his apparent age he just doesn't have many memories from that young of where he came from than things being wiped.

I was just asking myself this question literally yesterday so thank you for the video today.

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I love your theory videos and all your J vs Ben

Haven’t watched the video yet. I’m too bamboozled. A SCB video? That is out before 3:00 pm central time? This is banas!

this just convinced me to rewatch the frozen movies while i work on my finals

Ok let's just take a moment to appreciate the distinction in frozen 2 between jotüns and trolls,

the fact that it's almost 2023 and people are still talking about frozen, my wallpaper is still elsa, and there are no signs of stopping any time soon

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Yay! More Frozen videos! I enjoy them.

something I've been trying to figure out is how elsa and anna's mom got their father out before the mist formed. I know it had to do with her call but that's the base of my knowledge on the bit

I love the music to that scene.

Fun video as always aside, I really appreciate that little yellow bar at the bottom of the screen during ads 🙌

One miracle food..... i mean dessert.... ice cream!!!

Did the survey and really appreciate the shorter format

I've literally been watching you for 5 years- im 16 💀 i aspire to be like you guys

When he said it may have trapped people out I fell out my chair in shock

Dang, didn't think of it that way... Thanks for the amazing video!s!!!!

I love your videos!

Is it just me or does it sound like J is singing a song from Lilo and Stitch in the beginning instead of Frozen Heart? I enjoyed it either way

What if Samantha is christoff mom but probably died. Olaf kpt saying her name.I really want them to talk about this.

I never think about it like that.

Perfect video to watch while sick let’s go

There better be a move or a short film about his past cause I wonder what happened also. 🤔🧐🤨

As far as the punishing quizzes go, ice bath doesn't sound very entertaining. The bean one was hilarious and interesting, because there was no way of knowing what you would get.

Would't it make more since for Kristof to be separated from his parents By the mist?

Wow! Awesome theory!

I think it more likely that only one of Kristoff's parents were Northuldran. Going by his age and the timeline of events, the parent (or maybe parents) would have likely been children just like Elsa's and Anna's father was. If that is the case, it would be likely that parents mostly grew up outside the Northuldran culture and would have had to adapt to Arendelle culture. This would explain why Kristoff wouldnt know anything about the Northuldran people but likely only one of his parents is from there and that parent basically grew up in Arendelle.

Yes another frozen theory!!! 🤣💀 I’ve been waiting for another one thanks 💀

Ice baths seem fun , but not when it's less than 30 degrees out Good luck and god speed. I think I would take the hot wings from the goblit of fire quiz then an ice bath in 19 degree weather

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Hey J, that part of Sami culture, actually reminded me of Pocahontas "Colors of the wind". But I know every rock and tree and creature Has a life, has a spirit, has a name.

He may have been trapped out, and his parents trapped in. Not orphaned, but seperated. But to be fair, I thinkif that was the case, they would have recognized him and Sven.

the ice bath thing might actually be dangerous, take caution

me when he's talking about meundies: "I bet he's not even wearing them." He looks down: "I'm actually wearing them." me: oh... :l lol

Today I just saw a video of yours that was about this!!!! Omg the simulation

Based on the fireweed blooms it’s probably late July or early when the mist came.

Nooooo I wish it was cold, I’d love to bundle up on my couch and watch frozen😭😭 I’m in nw florida, and it was 78°f today

Yes, we're quite privileged to have ice with our water.

one big problem in your theory that i can't believe you didn't mention. Kristoff is very obviously ethnically different than the people you claim he's descended from.

I kinda wish Ben was in this video 😂 after all - he loves ice 😂 and ah the throwback to the ice harvesting video 😄

I thought that when you said the reindeer are taken to graze on moss and lichen you were gonna say “So where did they end up? That’s right, at the TROLLS. 💥” 😂

Cold out here, gonna need more than mittens

I know that ice harvesting isn't that old as my dad used to work for an ice company that harvested ice form the Ohio River and my dad would help deliver it around Evansville when he was a teen. And I am not THAT old. :o)