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Elsa’s Parents literally locked her up because she has bad aim

“Hide Elsa’s powers” was terrible advice.

Anyone going to acknowledge the fact that the grandpa troll didn't fix Anna's "brainfreeze". He legit just changed up her memories.

Fun fact: My dad *immediately* called Hans out for being the bad guy when we first watched Frozen. After his introduction scene, my dad leaned over to me and said, "He seems sketchy. I don't trust him." XD Your mom has deadly accurate "warm fuzzies" and my dad has deadly accurate "plot-twist sixth sense". Together, they would be unstoppable.

The script for this video was hilarious. Who cares if this theory isn’t new. MatPat’s doesn’t have Ben ranting about clear ice.

“Leaves them in total ICE-olation” Ok I’ll leave

"Potato Protrolltho" sounds like a Harry Potter spell...

“Their main goal seems to be, get Kristoff married. And they don’t seem to care what he thinks about it” Ah yes, a motivation every Indian mother is familiar with

“I’m looking at listings right now” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you guys

don't get a summer home in Norway, get a summer CASTLE in Norway.

Unpopular opinion: "Love is an Open Door" was a song about psychopathic manipulation If you listen to it, his opening "maybe it's the party talking, or the chocolate fondue" was the kid friendly equivalent to the phrase, "man, how drunk am I?", A phrase used to get people to loosen up, and lower their expectations of you at parties. And throughout the song, Anna was leading during the "cute" parts. When Hans actually was leading, it was always really generic stuff that was clearly him trying to get her to play along and look like a couple. Let's be honest here, he was not going to say sandwiches, and we all know it. And the part that pulls it all together is that Hans, the guy who clearly had been outside and should know how social convention works, proposes after meeting her for a day. An action that is clearly taking advantage of a girl who clearly doesn't understand how socializing works.

"Let's just be clear here: Consent NOT be darned." -Ben 2020

Me years ago: I swear those trolls are up to something. Me 1 year go: watches matpat film theory. I knew it but I still have a few doubts Me today: my prophet has blessed us with new knowledge.

Wish they had mentioned changelings too when discussing Kristoff’s kidnapping. Changelings are children switched with a chins of Fae in Scandinavian (and some other countries’) myths, and I feel that what the trolls did to Kristoff was reminiscent of that. Another suspicious thing is that Kristoff is clearly loyal to the trolls (They’re his family), and getting him married to a princess or a queen would be very beneficial in one way or another to the trolls. I don’t trust the trolls in Frozen. I never have.

Kristoff: Enough! She's engaged to someone else, okay? Trolls: So, she's a bit of a fixer upper That's a minor thing Her quote "engagement" is a flex arrangement And by the way, I don't see no ring So, she's a bit of a fixer upper Her brain's a bit betwixt Get the fiancé out of the way And the whole thing will be fixed!

Ben: This is why I keep telling J that we need to have a summer home is Norway. J: and I keep saying yes. Ben: Do you see, what I'm dealing with here? I'm never gonna have clear ice! J: I'm looking at listings right now. me: dying with laughter

I found it way too adorable when he was talking about his mums 'warm fuzzies' it made my heart melt ❤️

So I guess Disney was just... TROLLING us!

I actually have a lil theory. What if Hans actually WAS a genuine nice person, but when he is told "If anything happens to the princess, you are all Arendelle has left.", he became a more stressed and began to make bad choices. This ties into "Fixer Upper", which literally has the line, "People make bad choices when they're mad or scared or stressed." Hans felt genuinely concerned for Anna. That one line just elated his emotions further.

I just thought Hans was being very manipulative. He "saved" Elsa in front of the soldiers (witnesses) in order to become both the people's hero by stopping Elsa, and Anna's hero by saving Elsa's life. Well played. The choices he made after that, however, didn't make a lot of sense.

Ben: The trolls are the true villains of frozen! Me: Guess they're the true ones that are in need of a bit of a fixer upper.

Ben: Hans Me: If he's evil and you know it, clap your Hans

Of course him telling Anna his entire plan makes sense. Every good twist villain has to have a monologue scene. Everyone knows that.

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Me: sees title thinking that can't be true. Also me: watches to be convinced at the end that the trolls are the real villains.

My oldest brother has been saying the trolls are evil since they first said “Get the fiancé out of the way” and hans turned out to be evil after that genuine smile of joy when no one was looking . Edit, wow, you guys covered almost everything that my brother used as evedince.

About him saving Elsa: I think there are two reasons for this. One, he needs her to tell him where Anna is because I doubt he could become ruler if they both just died without him being married to either of them. Two, he needed her to stop the endless winter (However, once he found out that she couldn't he decided it was time to kill her, since at that point he already assumed Anna was pretty much dead and he had lied saying that they said their wedding vows just before she died, so he now has a claim to the throne)

I would like to note that my dad, who is a professional marriage and family therapist, has claimed Hans to be one of the most realistic predators he's seen in a movie, and specifically defends the moment in the boat in a very simple way. Hans is manipulative. To everyone. All the time. He's not going to drop his act in the open like that. He's still in character.

It's just the historical nerd in me, but historical large royal famlies like Han's family the youngest children of the family would be married off to minor nobles, or a princess/prince that would have no chance to the throne but in the case of Hans he would have had a chance to throne if he would have married Anna.

It could have been a legit smile, but he later realized who Anna was and decided that becoming a king was more important than a quirky girl who amused him.

When Kristoff said that people will “cheat” and “beat” you as well as his overall disdain for other people, wherever he was before the trolls was _not_ a good situation. The other ice harvesters may have been glad to get rid of him for all we know. As for the troll’s advice, they say “fear will be Elsa’s enemy.” The graphic shows Elsa being attacked, which seeing that they knew what clothes she’d be wearing and what hair style she’d have reads to me as prophetic-aka what would happen with fear of her ice powers. HER fear. They were trying to warn her not to be afraid of herself. The family took it the wrong way.

Are we all just gonna ignore the whole "Hans is a mirror" theory ? Cuz that's my absolute favourite theory they came with Well that and Draco is a werewolf

Ah yes, the summer home in Norway. With a castle. Can we visit? Also, it could be just me, but after the reveal I always interpreted Hans' smile as smug rather than warm fuzzies. Also, also, actually, Actually, it was the parents that decided the solution was keeping Elsa's magic hidden after the incident, rather than Papi and the trolls who removed what was there that would have presumably caused harm left untreated. A good analogy for it is wood. Like, if you get a splinter, it has to be removed before it gets infected, but their parents basically said "No more wood ever." So Anna is fine when exposed to wood again (you know before being stabbed in the heart), she just wished she remembered wood existed. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. :)

Ben: talks about clear ice People who listen to the Pop: I understood that reference!

If you watch the Frozen musical the trolls are portrayed a lot differently, almost in a sinister light. That really sealed the deal for me.

I'm going with this theory because the sudden "ooh I'm evil now" twist with Hans when he smiled like that after Anna left drives me crazy.

I already knew this theory from MatPat but I think you guys actually added completely different points to him and went in a different direction to end up at the same conclusion. People claiming you stole this theory clearly only watched the first few minutes- I think this theory and the one on Film Theory go pretty well together! Keep up the great work guys :D

Last time I was this early, zuko was a bad guy

Also in the last word of the Fixer-Upper song where they screamed: "Love", there's a lightning strike, and it may be to dramatize or emphasize the atmosphere of the situation, I kept thinking that that word is the end chant of some spell. The course of the song prolongs the "True" word to create music as Anna and Kristoff are asked to make vows, if they went along and vowed for each other in the scene (hypothetically), the trolls will still end the song with a strong emphasis on the word "Love". I can't think of another way how the after scenes turns out but it getting synced with a thunder, small silence, and then the place will light up to celebrate their marriage. And I definitely agree that Hans is a very bad twist villain and his twist doesn't even makes sense.

The reason why Hans doesn't seem like a bad guy is because he was not supposed to be. Originally, Elsa was planned as the villain but then, after people in production heard Let it go, they decided that she is too self-aware and it was better to make someone else the villain. (I just read it somewhere, I don't know what the original source is for this. But it always made sense to me :D )

Someone watched some old-school matpat.

At the point when Hans is trying to talk Else down instead of killing her, he is attempting to "seal the deal" with Anna. Either he succeeds, takes her prisoner, and has Annas complete trust now set in some kind of unbreakable ice or he fails, Elsa dies, and he looks more like the heroic figure he wants to appear to be and gets Annas complete trust (yadda yadda yadda). Either way it goes, it's that final push that makes him seem unimpeachable in the eyes of Anna and the soldiers or Arendale. THAT was his reasoning for doing it and while it didn't pay off in the end, it wasn't a bad tactic.

I definitely think some of Hans’s feelings for Anna were genuine. Like yes he was using her and totally evil, but I think it would be very hard not to love Anna!!! Maybe if it weren’t for his greed and power hungry ness, he WOULD actually be a good guy!

watches Seamus video explaining how this theory doesn't work: Yes I agree. watches SCB video explaining how this theory does work: Yes I agree.

Also, he could be smiling because he's happy he found a princess that likes him that reigns over a beautiful kingdom.

Hey guys, I noticed a detail in the Pixar universe recently and I haven’t been able to find anything on it, so I figured what better place to talk about it than in the comments of my favorite Pixar theory guardians! I wanna talk about something in Toy Story. We all know that Woody spends most of the film trying to convince Buzz he’s just a toy, but there’s significance to his language in doing so that suggests something. He keeps saying Buzz is not “the real Buzz Lightyear.” Emphasis on “real”. Meaning, there is a real, HUMAN, Buzz Lightyear out there somewhere?? To further back this up, I’m gonna quote the Buzz Lightyear action figure commercial we see play on the TV in Sid’s room. It says “the world’s greatest superhero, now the world’s greatest toy!” As in the company making Buzz Lightyear figures and writing the Buzz Lightyear story line, that later gets made into comics and video games we see in the sequel, may have something from reality it’s basing itself off of. And another note, it doesn’t have to be literal. I’m not advocating for the idea that the Galactic Alliance organized to fight the crimes of an evil emperor is canon in the Pixar Universe (though that’d be kinda awesome). But, as Stinky Pete says in his sequel: “once the astronauts went up, children only wanted to play with space toys.” So I feel like it’s not far fetched to say that Buzz Lightyear, is an astronaut, that became popular amongst kids during the age of the space race, and served as inspiration for the toy. Thinking about this makes me wonder what Buzz Lightyear (the real one) did for space exploration in his time, for example, did he make conquests by BnL possible down the line? Not sure if this has any legs to be taken further in investigation or not, but I found it interesting to think about. Side note, I have thought the trolls were evil from the very beginning so seeing this video made me very very happy. Big fan, keep doing what you’re doing! See you for trivia!

When I saw the Frozen 2, I was really disappointed to see that the trolls were not the bad guys and I was watching them like a hawk the entire movie😂

6:53 hey! I've recently watched Frozen and did notice that he aimed at the chandelier above Elsa, where then she would be crushed by it and Hans gets to explain the story of how he tried to save her but "didn't" Pay attention to the chandelier above her. So there is something to have him look like a hero.

what if Hans realized while Anna and Kristoff were away, and he was put in charge, that if Anna and Elsa were out of the way, he could be put in charge. Which would explain why he saves Elsa, because even if it looked like an accident, he would want people to think of him as a good ruler, and why he decided he didn’t need to marry Anna?

Now that Anna and Kristoff actually get married, will there be a third movie revealing the trolls' plan?

The first time I saw the movie, I thought that "absolutely none of this would have transpired, had they not told her to fear her powers." The only counterargument that I could come up with, was that the events actually needed to happen for some kind of cosmic chain to be set into motion that needed to happen… but that didn't seem to be the case.

Then explain why he says "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place." Then points to the castle during that bop as you say

Listen, if I was Anna and my new fiancé led a search party that wound up killing my sister, I wouldn’t feel so great about him anymore. It makes sense to me. Keep everything on the up and up until you get married, then stage an accident for Elsa where it won’t be pinned on you.

I feel like pepole forget that frozen was set in summer or im just stoopid

I think Hans saved Elsa from being shot because, as you said, he wanted to "stage a little accident for Elsa" *after* they were married. Plus, it definitely seemed like he was aiming for the chandelier as you can see him look up at it before he goes to stop the guy shooting at her. Hans revealing his plot to Anna does make sense, as she needed a True Loves Kiss to save her from freezing, but because he knew he didn't, and therefore couldn't save her, it came down to him either revealing his plot to her, or him kissing her and it not working and him probably having to reveal it to her anyway.

Also I very much question the way they treated the child they kidnapped. I mean the first thing they say when he gets to them is, "Take your clothes off." About Hans saving Elsa, he looks up right before hand and someone told me in that moment he planned to bring the chandelier down, but in my mind it almost seems more likely to hit that tiny cord on accident rather than intentionally in that situation.

"Mwahahaha I found the one!" My new favorite quote.

These theory’s are so well researched and thought out You guys make such good content

Ben: "Why can't my backyard be a perfectly frozen lake? This is why I keep telling J we need a summer home in Norway!" J: "I keep saying yes. ... I'm looking at listings right now!" Ben: "Do you see what I'm dealing with?!" 🤣🤣 lol

“Let’s be clear here, consent NOT be darned”😂😂😂 love y’all

Hans is still the villain tho. He wears GLOVES

Hans and Anna were the first couple that came together naturally, unlike what Disney normally does which is forcing two characters together!

There were some very subtle hints throughout Love Is An Open Door that Hans was faking it (too many for me to list here) and you could argue that he revealed his plan to Anna and left her to die because if he didn't really love her, the kiss wasn't going to work and she would have found out that way five seconds later. But I agree that this theory actually makes more sense and I wish Disney had gone with well-meaning trolls screwing everyone over rather than an actively malicious force as it would have been more interesting.

I think the "stealing a child"-thing could also be a reference to fairy stories, since fairies steal children and/or exchange them for changelings. Seeing that in many folklore trolls are some kind of fairy this really fits the theory that they are the bad guys. Fairies in folklore mostly always are.

On the saving Elsa thing if Hans was responsible for Elsa's death even justifiably it would be grounds to bar him from marrying to Anna for political reasons (it would look bad Mary Queen of Scots was forced to flee Scotland after marring a man suspected of killing her previous husband). Hans was probably just doing everything in his power to keep his hands clean (at least in the eyes of the people)

"OH CRUD MUFFINS" - Ben Carlin 2020 #quoteoftheyear

Interesting theory. My only question: how or when did the trolls alter Hans’s feelings?

I've always disliked the trolls in the movies, especially the first one. I will never believe that Hans is the bad guy from the beginning. And they went out of their way to terrify and traumatize a young, already traumatized, Elsa immediately after she accidentally hurt her beloved sister trying to save her. The whole bad guy premise in Frozen is unbelievable and I've believed for years that the trolls manipulated Hans in the end.

I like how he said “all the way back to frozen 1” sarcastically as if that wasn’t actually 5 years ago edit: 7 years* lol

Also Anna and elsa's parents didn't want to go and see the trolls and only did it as a last resort when elsa became a danger. Also also the book that elsa's father looked at to find the map to get to the trolls had some pretty scary representations of the trolls which implied them being evil.

Me: *Sees title* I knew it!! 8:17- Ben: And that is when the real villains step in, the trolls! Also me: Well, I personally think its at the beginning of the movie. Here's why- It was literally they're fault Elsa couldn't control her powers in the first place! At the beginning of the movie when the king and queen (Forgot their names lol) took Anna and Elsa to the trolls, Grandpappy said, "Your power will only grow. There is beauty in it, but also great danger. You must learn to control it, Fear will be your enemy." (10:18-10:25). He was the one who made Elsa scared of her powers! He was also the one who gave the king the idea to keep Elsa in total isolation away from the outside world, and her sister! And I quote from Ben himself, "I mean, it tears both of their relationships completely apart, leaves them in utter isolation, and drives their parents to go and look for some kind of a cure, which leads to their death! And it turns out that the secret keeping literally drives Elsa to become a recluse, where she has absolutely no control of her powers because she fears them so much, and its not until she actually embraces those powers that she has control over them!" (10:50-11:19). In conclusion, I had the same theory! Just in a different way! If u made it to the end of my comment, thx for reading! I know it was long, I just rlly wanted to share it with u all, and maybe Ben and J will see my comment! =3

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I like that you guys are actively trying to fix Disney's bad writing

Everyone keeps saying that they took this from MatPat, but i saw this theory on reddit in like 2014. This is not original, they didn’t take this from MatPat, because MatPat wasn’t even the one that originally realized this connection.

"Telling Anna is the dumbest thing to do." Yes. Villain monolouges are always the dumbest things to do, for both villains and writers.

This entire video is 50% just Ben ranting about random topics lol.

I swear I thought that the trolls would be the main villains in frozen 2

Yeah I've always thought that the trolls were up to no good. I mean the advice the chief troll gave Elsa and Anna's parents was terrible! Isolating the child and getting her to suppress her powers was never going to end well and separating the sisters without explaining it to the younger one was cruel.

0:45 I was expecting him to say "but you know what they say: 'The Devil's in the details'"

I don't think the trolls are malicious at all, they are simply not human and don't realize that what they are doing may cause harm and wouldn't be considered good by our standards.

You know what? At this point, I haven’t even heard the theory and I’m already sure I’ll be convinced by the end.

can i just say- the scene where elsa is talking to hans in the cell? yeah well- her parents must have had that specifically made for when she went out of control. the handcuff things don’t let her powers through and i don’t think hans could have had those made that quickly.. so yeah

One part I think hampers this theory: how did the trolls deliver their memory magic to Hans in the first place? When we see them memory-mod young Anna, she is there, at their encampment. They make physical contact with her. We never see Hans in the presence of any troll, nor is there a point where it could be plausibly implied that Hans was alone long enough for a troll to mind-mod him. Unless it totally happened, and on-screen no less, and the only reason we the audience are unaware is because the trolls broke through the fourth wall to mind-mod us in the real world.

I wish this was the plot of frozen 2

My theory is he keeps Elsa alive just simply to show the kingdom he has the kingdoms best interest at heart.. think about it if my sister is killed by a group of vigilantes led by the guy I was going to marry I wouldn’t want to marry him... if it is documented I saved her but she ended up being killed anyway I would be more appreciative of it... and as far as the accident because he saved her when something happened to the queen during the accident he has a reason to say no I saved the queens life before why would I do that.. now I would admit I think this would’ve been so much better if they Did kiss and nothing happened then he explains his plan

SCB: wait, you’ve seen this before? Me, who saw film theory: eleven times, as a matter of fact

If you do end up summering in Norway, PLEASE tell me so we may hang. My theory on Hans: Hans goes to Arendelle to scheme his way to becoming king. Although he is genuinely smitten by this seemingly random girl, he's still fully intent on becoming king. After realizing who Anna really is, he alters the plan to make room for two possible ways to achieve his goal as he goes out his way to make an impression on her, to the point of convincing her to marry him. With the request of the queen's blessing over their marriage ending in failure, the inciting incident occurs, and Hans realizes that he can work up some extra credit towards Anna and hopefully change Elsa's mind on blessing the marriage (and actually not wanting the people to starve and freeze their toes off). He is put in charge of the people's safety as Anna looks for Elsa, and continues to show them goodwill. After all, what good is life as ruler is your people hate you. I agree with your questioning of the ice castle scene, even though I could believe that was the first "accidents" he planned for Elsa but yeah, after that, my theory completely breaks apart with the fireplace and the mocking smile, and that's why this is a horrible theory spawned by nonsense writing. I don't agree the trolls made him a villain, simply because, based on how they alter memories. They need to extract it by physically touching the person, drag out the memories and then put them back in their heads. Nothing's been shown they can do this remotely, as far as I can remember. I don't think the line " get the financee out of the way" means anything but rhyme and "screw *his* opinion". Norway has different kinds of trolls, but the lumbering ones that Trollywood seems to be fond of, far as I know, you're right about those.

I love you guys so much. Keep doing what you're doing, from your biggest fan!

This was never a question for me, honestly. I dunno if they're outright malevolent or just are catastrophically ignorant of human nature, but one way or the other they have been at the root of almost all of the conflicts here..

"Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed!!!"

I’ve always thought that they were bad. I mean, I’m pretty sure that they completely changed Hans’s personality so that Anna and Kristoff would end up together instead. “Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed” I mean they basically admitted to it. Edit: I did write this before I had fully watched the video and yes I now know that he literally says what I commented.

whenever someone says "bop" i just cringe...and then think "...kids bop?"

I've been saying this for years and people called me crazy 😂 there's another line in the song that says "her quote engagement is a flex arrangement". And if we go into frozen 2 the directos have said the trolls are related to the earth spirits and we know the spirits and the forest were mad with arendelle, especially the royalty, for what happened that day, so why would they want to help the king and queen when they brought their daughter? They didn't and made it all.worse on purpose!

If they're ever going to make a "Frozen 3" (which they probably will, in all honesty), I really hope they make, at least, one of the trolls the true villian of the franchise. I'll even go as far as to say that the trolls were the reason for Elsa's grandpa's fear of magic along with Hans' villiany. It would all make sense and not have Hans or Grand Pabbie be such flat characters.

The only problem with this theory is when would the trolls have gotten the chance to influence Hans? Hans would never get a chance to encounter the trolls and from what we see the Troll’s magic is close range. Also there was some hints to Hans’ betrayal, in Love is an open door Anna leads the song while Hans is following her lead as if he’s playing along. And as for saving Elsa, if you look close you can see he actually makes a quick glance up at what we can assume is the ice chandelier, maybe he wanted to look like he was trying to save her while also taking her out, two birds one stone.

Me watching film theory: Gets notification for this video I've seen this somewhere... OH YEAH!!! Matpat from Film Theory already did this- (Now i have a Mr beast notification gotta go :P)

THANK YOU! I have been arguing so many of these points for so long! Other parents don't appreciate how critical I am of the trolls or how little sense Hans' story arc makes. This ties my two gripes up in a nice little bow

There is a reason why the trolls are depicted as spooky shadows in the books Elsa's dad looks through