What if Ursula was triton’s sister and was originally a mermaid and looked like Vanessa and somehow turned into an octopus. That would explain her being triton’s sister and looking like ariel

She is not evil, she is sadistic and vengeful. She's a business woman. Besides in the original fairy tale by Andersen she wasn't an evil witch and she is totally honest about the deal.

So is Disney going to give us the Ursula movie like Maleficent

I don't see Ursula as a villian I just see her as a emotionally damaged being

Vanessa was Ursula and Morgana's mother. She was a human witch that used her dark power to escape persecution by transforming herself into a mermaid, and seduced Poseidon. She taught her daughters witchcraft and about the human world. Ursula was then banished by Triton once he discovered her witchcraft, or perhaps her true ancestry. How is that for a theory?

"A woman does not know how precious her voice is, until it is silenced" that spoketh to thy

Why Ursula’s human form name is Vanessa? It’s easy, because the scientific name of the butterfly that Ursula used it for the transformation known as Vanessa Atalanta

I have always believed that Ursula uses her real mermaid / human form Vanessa and tells the pirates where the location of the king triton is in the little mermaid 3, she wants to see King Triton in trouble but did not count that the ship would crash into the Queen Athena and would kill her. For me Vanessa is the original Ursula’s form.

Saw a different youtube video on this and the uploader cited the writers of the movie and according to them: 1. Ursula and Triton ARE siblings. Both possess powers. Because he was a man he got the throne after Poseidon's death even though he was significantly younger than her. As consolation she received the enchanted shell from her father Poseidon, while Triton got the crown, trident, and throne. She felt it was unfair and that the throne was her birthright as the eldest of Poseidon's children. 2. Ursula was very beautiful before she looked like herself. Her natural appearance was the way she appears as Vanessa. After Triton was named king, she turned herself into a human and lived on land. Yes, it's how she knew how they behaved on land. It was also how she knew how to turn Ariel into a human and it's why in her own human form she resembles Ariel in such a way that an aunt and niece might resemble one another. She always could have transformed back into how she looked originally. But she let hate, jealousy, and anger consume her. 3. On land, Ursula fell in love with a sailor. Because she trusted him, she told him the truth that she was a mermaid and proved it by turning into a mermaid in front of him. Soon after, he left her for another woman. In her pain, she fled back into the sea and turned herself into an abomination, swearing off of love forever and making sure she never let anyone else fall in love with her again. But the sailor and all of his shipmates knew the secrets of the mer-kingdom thanks to Ursula. They came and attacked the mermaids, and the end result was the death of several mermaids, including Ariel's mother, Queen Athena. 4. Triton blamed Ursula for Athena's death, as Ursula was the one who gave away the secrets of the mer-kingdom, so he banished her. 5. Ariel, like many other mermaids, has the ability to enchant men with her voice. Ursula does not have this ability and thought if she had, her sailor would have remained in love with her. But she does have the shell, so she uses it to steal Ariel's enchanted voice, as we see in the movie, and she turns herself into a human again, uses Ariel's voice to enchant Eric, and in a moment of irony, makes Ariel think that Eric has fallen in love with another woman, named Vanessa. And where and why does Ursula come up with this name? 1. Because, obviously, she doesn't want Ariel to know it's her, and 2. Because Vanessa was the name of the "other woman" who Ursula's sailor lover left her for.

Another reason Ursula may have been on land before is because she had not trouble walking unlike Ariel who had plenty of trouble with her legs

Half-sibling theory? I can agree. Poseidon is a womanizer in the myths after all.

I feel massive sympathy over Ursula for she was one of the misunderstood Villains but it was quite overwhelming to know that she's just getting what she deserve after King Triton took over her precious throne and was vanish at his sight under his command to took over the whole oceanic world and dethroned her in his realm which she covet from Ursula. Overall the Ursula theories was fascinating and catchy.

Has anyone else noticed that Vanessa looked like an older version of Melody or is it just me

I loved the Ariel enchanting voice, made alot of sense. But also with the sibling thing, I think it was Ursula same dad with Triton and same mom for Morgan, and since Morgans dad wasn't as a god of the seas (Poseidon) she clearly wouldn't put any merrit on her daughters achievements.

The story I learned was that Ursula was once a beautiful mermaid with a silver tail but the people hated that she killed animals for ingredients in magic so they banished her. She had a cave filled with ingredients for magic and she always sat on this rock that you could see the shore from. One day she saw a man and fell in love with him so, she used her magic to give herself legs and unlike the movie, she still had her voice. The only thing that would happen is that every step she took it would feel like a thousand knives were stabbing her in the feet and if the man she loved married someone else she would either have to kill the man on the night he was married and return or she would turn to sea foam. She did it and got legs. She changed her name to Vanessa and fell in love with the man and the man became her friend. The man never told her that he had a girlfriend whom he was engaged to and when she came back to get married Vanessa (Ursula) was emotionally damaged and she would have done anything to get him back but he married the woman he was engaged to and so on the night of there marriage, she killed the man in his sleep, changed her name back, and came back to the ocean and instead of her beautiful tail, there were eight gross black tentacles.

11:57 I like that she lost her voice and he still fill in love with her

'But... there's another sister to Ursula. In "The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea" Ursula's "crazy" sister shows up.

11:56 view of Ariel explains Vanessa's appearance. When Eric views her singing to him her hair appears darker than it actually is. She had to look like Ariel since when he speaks to Grimsby he clearly states he found the girl who saved him.

I like the fanfic of Vanessa being Ursula more

In the story of Medusa, she was a high priestess for Athena which required her to be pure. As a result of feud between Poseidon and Athena he raped Medusa but Athena punished Medusa for 'luring' him and transformed her into a hideous snake woman. Could be a similar case wit Ursula

If they are actually siblings then that means Uma and Ariel are cousins

I think it would take a lot of incredible writing to piece together all the mismatched information but boy would that be a movie worth watching!😍 Ursula is by far the best!

SO MUCH TEA😭😏

Oh my gosh,i cant believe it ursula is the sister of triton,now i know why ursula really wants revenge on king triton!!!!

that last theory gives a whole different meaning to the phrase that Ursula says little befor turning into vanessa "she's better than I tought" it could mean that Ariel's voice is more powerfull than Ursula originally tought. Then again, if Eric fell in love with Ariel due to being under a spell, it wouldn't be "true love" and any kiss they could have shared would have not worked, but in the end Ariel gets her human legs from her father's magic, we never see any "true love magic" so it could be that he is enchanted...

Ursula's dad can't die. He is an immortal Greek god.

I never thought Ursula was as evil as portrayed....now I know the reason why

Isn't Ariel and Eric's relationship kinda wrong anyway seeing as how he's an adult and she's only 16

i feel like Ursula was Vanessa but someone turned her into a octopus. So now she wants revenge

But Morgana (Ursulas sister) would them also be tritons sister, right? Wait, hold up Morgana said that ursula was too good for her

I think Ursula has always been jealous of Triton's throne and him.being in charge of the ocean ever since she lived in his kingdom. I dont think.they are related because Triton is a merman and Ursula is an octopin. However I do think they are half siblings. Their father is Poseidon, but they both do have different mothers because notice in the deleted song in TLM 2, that Morgana sings, in the portrait of her and ursula when they were kids with their mother. Triton is not in the portrait. Now if they were related, Triton would be in the portrait with ursula and morgana and their mom. I think Triton just invited Ursula to live in his kingdom as a welcoming. And years later she didnt like Triton getting all the credit of ruling the ocean and that devolped jealousy and a plot to dethrone Triton. Its like how luifer/the devil tried to dethrone GOD and was exiled out of Heaven for doing that.

Love Joey's jaw dropping expression 🤣

Here's my two cents: King Trident and Ursula are siblings, different mothers or not (remember, hybrid species in Greek mythology can be radically different even among siblings), and Trident banished Ursula because she wanted better relations with humans on land. Think about it: Trident's hatred of humans and the surface world is irrationally fierce. Maybe he didn't want Ursula making alliances where he couldn't follow to take a close eye on her (Ursula's shown she has no problem traversing land). Whether Ursula had good intentions or not, she became bitter after her banishment and only wanted to overthrow Trident; losing sight of why she wanted to rule so badly in the first place.

Triton was really cute when transformed as a sea weed

All of the theories that involve Ursula’s ugly looks being responsible for her turn to evil make me feel super, super bad for her. 2:48 “They (her sisters) were all beautiful except for her.” And in that same theory, Triton getting the throne anyway when he grows up? Literally everyone else was put in front of her in line to the throne. Come on! And in the other theory at 4:33 “Triton thinks that she is an ugly monster”. Even in the movie itself I feel bad for her. Ariel’s a beautiful princess trying to get her man, Ursula’s exiled and WAY past obese and mannish and has an ugly voice, and she’s supposed to help the beautiful Ariel get her prince, which she still does! But she’s the bad guy for trying to get what she wants too. Even though she never lies to Ariel at all, and gets treated like she’s horrifying and disgusting by literally everyone even before she actually “betrays” Ariel (by doing exactly what the contact said she would do). I love her though. She’s a big booty diva with a great sense of humor and super smart!

I just realized how much Amethyst and Ursula look alike.

It doesn’t matter if her voice was enchanted or not because Eric still fall for her when she was silence

11:49 Glad they fell in love without the enchanted voice

I believe she use to be Vanessa and got turn a sea witch

If king Triton and Ursula are siblings that means Ariel and Uma are cousin

1st Theory: Ursula was maybe a part of 7 sisters. What if she had a sister named Vanessa and she based her look of her sister..? 2nd theory: Uma and Ariel are cousins!! (If Triton and Ursula are related.) 3rd Theory: Ursula used to be a beautiful mermaid..but was purposely cursed so no one would no she was Tritons sister..? 4th Theory: Ursula was supposed to be queen but Triton got her cursed so he could be king! Just me, okay sorry.

The reason why one of the lyrics are “it’s she who holds her tongue who gets a man” is because the original story Ursula takes her tongue not her voice I had just watched several videos about the original story of the little mermaid!

he fell in love with her even without her voice ( i think) which is why he fought for her when they were all in the ocean. Its been a minute since ive seen it so i could be mistaken

I can't stop loving the things

COME ON!! NOT ANOTHER ONE! It's pronounced, MORE-GONE-UH I wheezed when she said MorGANuh

I think Triton had more than one wife since all of his daughters are different and only Ariel looks like her mom Also I think Ursula was also a mermaid but was evils and since triton had more power than her he made her like that but in reality she was human or mermaid Triton and and Ursula ARE half siblings since Poseidon had kids with more than one woman Poseidon had triton with a amphitrite and other offsprings with another women Also tritons wife is also related to Greek gods

Fun Fact: Both Ursula and her sister Morgana have the same voice actress!

I think she was originally a mermaid and when triton banished her,he also turned her into an octopus as punishment for going to the outside world but she still had the power to turn into her self with legs and aethena was so nice to her because she totally understood where she was coming from because she had a rough childhood just like Ursula

Is it just me. Why is Bebe Zahara Benet used as a clip for ursula? 😂

So wait if ursula and king Triton were siblings So that means Princess ariel and Uma are cousins Oh Mah Gad Like if you watch descendants

11:21 just like in Mako mermaids! Sirena watched a vid about mermaids luring sailors out to sea and being so touched with them they are cast in their spells. So she did just that on her true love on land David, he didn't want to leave Sirena, ever and eventually her friends came to bring her back to her self in the moon pool. Just a quick backstory of what happened in that episode np.

I've got a theory: since Ariel's voice is enchanted she could be a sirene because they used their voice to sink ships

I think you got mermaids and sirens mixed up.

I’m sure dark magic had alot to her turning into squid

She used to be the ruler of the ocean She was benovelent and always kept her word But her brother held the antiquated notion That women shouldnt be seen and never heard So he dethroned her Then disowned her And on top of that Rezoned her to The outskirts of the kingdom in a cave He took her sceptor and her crown Though she tried to take him down The truth and now she share a watery grave (Twisted)

During the musical, it is revealed that Ursula killed queen Athena so this doesn’t makes sense if Athena was kind to Ursula (do you understand?)

Maybe Ursula was Vanessa but one day when she and triton were little they were playing with each other and then triton by accident turned her into a octopus and she tried to get revenge when she was older once and then she got banashished to the dark ocean and what she did to Ariel was her second time

Not mermaids, Sirens are the ones who enchant sailors then eat them

In the movie she mentions that she used to live in the palace

1:14 she said ant and not aunt 🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

Theory 1: Wouldn't Ursula have been a mermaid before she was banished, if so, Trident (Ariel's father) turned Ursula into a see witch, if not, possibly their mother could have been a sea witch or at least a bit. Theory 2: That sorta makes sense, Ursula and Ariel have more in common than we thought. Theory 3: She might want revenge for Athena, since you never said Ursula liked Athena. Theory 4: That would mean Morgana would be one of Ariel's aunts and Melody's great aunt?

Actually for the choice of the name Vanessa, it's very simple: To transform herself into human Ursula uses a butterfly, and Vanessa means butterfly!

And once Ursula got on land in the movie she already knew how to walk unlike Ariel

I don't get the 7 sisters theories because Morgana is still alive so Ursula didn't succeed in killing them off

Hi The Things! I have a few theories of my own about Ursula, and one in particular I think seems realistic. My theory goes along with the "Daddy's Little Angel" backstory. It states that Ursula was very jealous of her older sisters. What if Vanessa's appearance and name was inspired by Ursula's oldest sister? It makes sense from a symbolic stand point. She was going to get her revenge, become royalty in a kingdom where she was much more appreciated, and become queen of the sea as well. Why not steal the name and physical beauty of the person she originally hated and envied the most? Just a thought!

Mermaids are *NOT* sirens !!! I hate seeing this misconception constantly passed around. 😛

I don't think they are related. I just think she wanted to rule the seas, and Trident banished her.

She might have been Vennessa's daughter, and Possidon cursed her.Her sister might have been Ariel's mom.

i think ursula is not evil and i think she was vanesa and she fell in love with someone and king tryton didnt want him as he didnt want prince erik too for ariel so when she returted back to the sea he banish her and she turned her into an octupus. For this i think she just feel sad and madness for her brother and she wanted to take revenge. I think she doesnt have nothing personal with ariel she just use her to reach her father. I dont think she is totally wrong cuz both of them did a mistake and i think noone of them is totally right but ursula has the right to take revenge and i wont tell that she is evil cuz in my opion she is just got hurt

Ursala and vanessa have the same eye color so i dont doubt she was once vannessa but sold her beauty for power

4:48 banished and exiled

When I was a kid and I saw Ursula drag herself on the ship floor, that scared me like that scene should’ve been from a horror movie honestly I couldn’t sleep that day, I’m still pretty freaked out about it..

What if Ursula was a siren?

She is not the youngest. She has also a little sister in litttle mermaid 2

I have another theory: maybe it was not triton she did not like. Maybe she had a sister named vanessa and she was the prettiest sister and ursula was jealous of her. And then ursula took vanessa's soul. And probably triton really liked vanessa because she cared for him. So once it was time for triton to rule, he banished ursula from ATLANTICA.

Maybe Ursula was “Vanessa” before but was cursed to look like an octopus and be banished.

Literrly triton's late father cheated hes wife and was an adoptive father to urusla and morgana just lik kovu from lion king

If we get a live action film Rebel Wilson should play Ursula

“‘Practically starving “ 😂

It is interesting how in the original fairytale that the sea witch is not good but not really evil. Her exchange with the little mermaid is more or less just a formal business transaction. And she doesn’t take her voice, but her tongue.

Also since Ursula is a shape shifter with spells what is her true form Plus in TV series she is a creature known as an octapon

I believe everything about Ursula and her poor life was off the line

Here’s my theory about it.I think maybe Vanessa in fact was someone that Ursula new but she looks really similar to Ariel so I’m thinking Vanessa was Ariel’s long lost cousin because She couldn’t have been her sister all of her sisters names start with A and Prince Eric did Siri Ariel for a minute whenever he was singing to him and Vanessa looks really similar to Ariel so in conclusion I think Vanessa did know Ursula but aerial is Vanessa‘s cousin

I prefer I Want The Good Times Back to Daddy’s Little Angel but I think both origin stories make sense. I love the Poor Unfortunate Souls book.😃

the book is called poor unfortunate soul its good too

I love how Disney just messed up Greek mythology. My sensitive ears are hurt.

Now i feel sorry for her.😢

What if Ursula was Vanessa, but when she was banished by King Tryton, he turned her into Ursula, a less appealing octopus, so nobody would recognize her. either Tryton was embarrassed that Vanessa was his sibling, being that she used dark magic. Or possibly Arial had already known Vanessa was her aunt at the time Tryton vanished Vanessa, so Tryton changes Vanessa’s appearance to Ursula so Arial would stay away from Ursula. Also, if Vanessa was put on land as human, what is her sister and mother were human as well? we don’t get too much backstory on Ursula’s birth father. What is Vanessa, her sister, and her mother were turned into octopus by king Tryton?? just a theory...

no one gonna talk abt how ariel married underage?

Ursula is the best character in the little mermaid

I kind of thought Ursula was evil on the outside because she was sad inside and that's why I chose Phyllis Smith to play Ursula in the live-action/CGI remake of "The Little Mermaid"! I also chose Francesca Angelucci Capaldi, who has long red hair and a beautiful flawless angelic voice, to play Ariel and Noah Schnapp, who is very handsome with short black hair, to play Prince Eric as if Disney brought Charlie Brown and the little red-haired girl together and as if Charlie Brown didn't slip on that puddle of punch or accidently set off the sprinkler and had his dance with the little red-haired girl! (I saw Prince Eric dancing with Ariel, you know)

"Her sisters were adorded Ursula was ignored"😂😂😂

If Ursula and king triton are siblings, then how is Ursula an octopus and he is a merman

Also how did she learned to walk so quickly

maybe it’s cause ursula got so constantly tired 😓 of being constantly stuck in triton’s shadow when she was growing up with him

Makes sense since she was walking on the beach with no trouble as Vanessa but Ariel couldn't when she got her legs

Why does Athena have to die??? 😭

I was watching the little mermaid after I watched this

For me, Ursula is my favorite villain!

I think that Vanessa was a human who struck a deal with Ursula. The price was that she gave away her body to be used by Ursula, kind of like how Ariel gave away her voice as payment.