We are truly blessed to live in a society with the same electoral system as Belarus

Should me vote matter less if I live in Slough? Yes.

I feel like the "I'm not gonna vote because they'll get a landslide" effect is much less important in marginal seats because people in marginal seats know that votes are important relative to safe seats.

Don't worry. Here in germany we have an actual legit voting system, yet our politics are shit anyways as well.

Proportional Representation seems to be in demand these days.

To counter the statement "I don't vote for a coalition," I would say that in a country with proportional representation, voting for a coalition is an inherent part of the process. When I cast my vote, I understand that the party I support will back a leader from another party, and that's acceptable to me. They even campaign on supporting another party leader. What matters is that my chosen party can influence the agenda. In a system where no single party normally can secure a majority, voters are aware that forming a coalition is the only path forward. I believe that better decisions arise from compromise and collaboration.

The idea of FPTP is that every MP fights for the interests of their constituency, but that's not really possible with the concept of "whip". Either remove the whip or remove FPTP. Everything else is dishonest

I live in Slough, but due to boundary changes recently, I come under Windsor.

How can anyone still argue that First Past The Post creates stability after the past 14 years? How representative is a government that got 33% of the vote but occupies 66% of parliament?

I spent the entire video trying to figure out what Toycat's preferred party was

It's a bit more complicated... this election actually reflects the anti-tory vote quite accurately. About 75% of people voted against the tories and about 75% of the seats went to non-tories. In a lot of ways this is the most representative result ever (which says something quite damming about the electoral system in its own way). If it wasn't for vote splitting by the green party and the lib dems then the tories would have formed almost zero governments since 1992. In every previous election a green vote was a tory vote, a lib dem vote was a tory vote. The thing that ha made this election more representative is that reform split the right wing vote in the same way that the greens and lds usually split the center/left vote.

At least add a second election round for God's sake

I dont know much of anything about coalitions. I just know that "coalition" is a cool word. So we should have more governments that need to form coalitions, so i can say "coalition" more. I doubt itll ever happen in the us though. So sad.

As a kiwi, who moved here from the UK, yes, electoral reform (in the UK) would be fantastic. MMP isn't perfect, but it solves a *lot* of the issues. To massively oversimplify, any wasted votes for your local MP go into a sort of slush pool that assigns extra seats to parties in proportion to how much of the country voted for that party.

Although I do believe in vote reform, and took part in campaigning for the 2011 AV Referendum, I have to say I'm really not a fan of how suddenly there's so much demand. 2 weeks ago I'd have struggled to make anyone give a s**t about it online. Seems to me the upset is manufactured by certain right wing populist forces who got brutally disadvantaged by it. Left wing complains about unfair bias in FPTP. _cricket noises for decades_ Right wing complains about unfair bias in FPTP. *OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

"No one has pride for Slough" tell that to David Brent

FPTP has gone WAY past its sell by date imho

Actual seats vs the number of seats if we had proportional representation: Labour: 411 vs 219 Conservatives: 121 vs 154 Lib Dem: 72 vs 79 SNP: 9 vs 16 Sinn Fein: 7 vs 5 Reform: 5 vs 93 DUP: 5 vs 4 Green: 4 vs 42 Plaid Cymru: 4 vs 4

Never thought I'd be learning British politics from the same KZfaqr who did the Minecraft videos I used to watch as a kid, absolutely wild timeline.

never though id be seeing ibxtoycat talking about first past the post or elections

*its

the real nastiness in the whole election is that labour needed vastly less votes to get a seat than the reform party (it was something like labour only needing about 100k votes or something like that to get 1 seat while reform needed 1 million votes to get 1 seat)

4:46 if you speak of Major Economies: Switzerland despite being known for our direct democratic systems have on average a very low turnout: in the last mayor elections 2023 on 46.7% of swiss adults went to vote, since we have a low population, this makes it that only 2,6 Million people actually voted.

Chat is proud of you, Mr. Cat.

One thing to show how weird these results are from a representation point of view is that even though Labour won one of the highest numbers of seats ever, it is the lowest percentage ever for the largest party. In fact, until 1980 this would have been an extremely low percentage for a *second* party.

People just wanted the tories out and voted tactically, whether it be for Labour, the Lib Dems, or even the Greens.

Ireland uses STV (as does Australia for the Senate - where I’m from) and I think the UK should consider it. STV is basically ranked choice proportional representation, and it **marginally** favours smaller parties (but not by a lot because of quotas, transferring of votes, etc). Or at the very least AV - but I know the UK voted against it

Hey Toycat! Probably the best example this year of FPTP in action is South West Norfolk. Former PM Liz Truss had 69% of the vote in the 2019 election, whilst Labour was on 18.1. Fast forward to this year, and a former conservative stands as an independent to try and unseat her, gathering 14.2% of the vote. Reform's candidate got 22.4%, and Truss got 25.3%. You may notice this is roughly 62% between the three. This led a 51% majority, extremely safe Conservative seat to become a Labour seat with 26.7% of the vote, due to a three-way right wing vote split. However- it was HILARIOUS. And to be fair the guy did unseat her- just not in the way he wanted.

You forgot Australia just dosent have compulsory voting. we get a sausage sizzle and sometimes a bake sale too .

Chilean person here, we here use a proportional representation system, which uses the D'Hondt method. You can borrow it if you want :kappa:

Why can't we vote for policies we care for instead of people?

"the conservatives and reform and maybe the dup in there too" the government was literally a conservative-dup coalition between 2017 and 2019

24:54 WHAT THE HELL, I remember going to the corner shop at that exact spot a year ago, literally the first time I had been in the area, never expect to go back in my life, and it was the one and only stop that I made because I needed something from the shop

Unfortunately, not party that ever gets in is ever incentivised to change the voting system, because they just recently benefited from it

Yay Toycat with the shout out for Rochester & Strood 😊

This is how you make a video about politics! High energy and with plenty of context behind both facts and opinions

Or you have a primary system and then the candidates who got the two largest shares of the votes have a run off election.

Previous elections I've deliberately spoiled my ballot because I didn't want to support any of the available parties, but since there's no distinction between a protest vote and a mistake I just didn't bother voting at all this time. Really wish there was a "none of the above" option haha

14.3% of the vote and only 0.8% of the seats is messed up. LibDems got 11.1% of the vote and 12.2% of the seats

Great Grimsby and cleethorpes is the new constituency. I live in waltham which used to be part of cleethorpes in elections however it is now part of brigg and immingham. Martin Vickers, the old tory mp for cleethorpes is now the tory mp for brigg and immingham

single member electorates are very effective at replacing unpopular parties, which is one advantage over more proportional systems (eg Australia's senate which elects 6 senators per state via Single Transferable Vote). The major issue with PR in my eyes is the possibility of a 3rd major party becoming a permanent member of coalition governments, with their major fear being the 4th most popular party. this election shows both the merit and perils of majoritarian systems like FPTP. This is why I'm a fan of single member electorates with a few seats allocated in multi-member seats (about 20% in my eyes, but between 5% and 50% is justifiable). Note: under non-compulsory voting the centrists participate less often, since they're less motivated to vote for change, but their motivation also grows as they see change over the course of multiple elections.

There was some discussion about a Canada 1993 situation but there's more parallels to Canada 2019 with some notable exceptions. While that elections saw the governing party get a minority, the overall dynamic saw the major parties getting a third of the popular vote and a move towards smaller parties. As an American though, I've thought of the Electoral College working very similar to a parliamentary system. The election occurs across 50 states and DC for the person the votes go to. And theoritically, there is that coalition building should any candidate fail to get a majority of electoral votes. In practice though, the two party system makes the outcome more decisive due to the FPTP which manufactures a majority. And I do mean manufacture because the result isn't inherently tied to the number of votes each candidate gets.

0:00 rishi got that "It's sunover" face

irt the uncertainty of electing coalition governments, I think one benefit of the presidential/committee legislature system is that there is more certainty/stability in terms of government/administration because it's elected independently from the legislature - and as well individual laws can be passed with internal negotiations in committee that don't require a political coalition that could fall apart if negotiations don't work out.

Something similar happened in kosovo during the 2021 elections and everyone was shocked

Radical Centrist: 'I DON'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU!'

the UK had a referendum on the alternative vote in 2011 and voted it down by a 2-1 margin. as an American I just have to ask- what the hell were you guys thinking?

So let me see if I'm understanding this correctly: there's more than 2 parties in the UK? Okay, I'm confused.

We should campaign for a ranked voting system similar to the Alaskan ranked voting system.

Imagine less than 20% of the population voting for the next leader. At this point may as well implement mandatory voting

Yeah, and also Labor and the Conservatives at this point are basically the same party. The Democrats in the US are more left wing than Labor, which tells you A LOT about how far they've fallen

that is not the left right situation at all at 6:10

Is it valid to vote based on a party's disposition (By which I mean their general philosophies and beliefs and attitudes towards governing) instead of policies?

tbh i think this system is alright people also vote for their mp in their constituency

My big problem with proportional representation is that it seems often the parties with the most seats are beholden to a few extreme parties with 5 or 6 to avoid collapsing the coalition

22:55 Your assumption that there's more deals behind closed doors in a PR system then a first past the post system is just outright wrong. For instance. In a PR system many of the separate parties would have been party factions within a fptp system, meaning that in a first past the post system they'll negotiate policies behind closed doors, and voters don't really have much say in the matter. Factions will split and split the vote if they don't get enough support for their policies within the party. Its all negotiated... At least in a PR system you help decide the relative strength of the various factions. And the main parties are more likely to have multiple alternatives to form a government, instead of *having* to accept just any partys ultimatums...

Reminds me of the Quebec election results

Plaid cymru policy is to make everywhere wales

I didn't expect the Minecraft Bedrock youtuber to have such an informed view of Politics. Then again, he might not expect that from someone else that WATCHES minecraft youtubers either. Like myself. Good words video guy.

FPTP and single winner constituencies are not the same. Australia has STV for constituencies to guarantee 50% of people living there support the candidate who they voted for (NOT a potential prime minister - though the people they vote for will vote for a PM) vs the competition, and then the senate is elected via PR to make sure that smaller parties that have national support but dont win seats are still able to reflect the will of the people who preferenced them first.

Hi from South Africa. 1. You do NOT want PR Lists of any kind... there is 0 accountability of politicians/ parties. 2. Consider instead MD-LL, which is 100% proportional, yet you get to keep constituencies , albeit double the size (but with 2 MPs per). DM for details 3. Should you not like MD-Ll, there's MM-PR system used for SA's local government* elections, where both votes are always counted. * different from the German version, avoiding its tactical voting & resultant overhang seat phenomenon.

I am an american and ive been following the uk election season because i find it fascinating that you have more than 2 political parties. But jesus christ, what happened to reform and greens is actually criminal. Every fifth person in your electorate voted for a party that is sharing 2% of the power.

Australia has mandatory voting?? That's anti-democratic. The right to not vote is as important as the right to vote. Sure, you can just submit an empty ballot, but it's not the same kind of protestation as not turning up to the voting booths at all, and being counted amongst the didn't turn out crowd to go against it. Also, if you're busy, disabled, or ill then you shouldn't be forced to turn up to the poll station. What, do you need to brandish a sick note from your GP to your local commissar to prove you're too unwell to vote? Pretty sure if you're too unwell to vote, you're too unwell to turn up at the relevant government office to prove you're unwell...

BOOTLE MENTION ON TOYCAT RAAAAA

Toycat confirmed to live above a halal butchers, the rumours were true

baahahahaha imagine the english outrage in an alternate universe where sturgeon was deputy prime minister

Change to single transferable vote + proportional

sdp doesnt look too left wing when actually considering their policies

I don't really mind this system it means usually nothing changes. Untill it's blatantly obvious to a majority of people in more than half the country (A lot of different places) that things must change. A very high bar but achievable as we can see. Severe accidents by the electorate cannot happen.

you forgot to mention that we had a referendum on the AV system in 2011 - although I imagine the results would be quite different now with more support for minor parties

My preferred way of solving "You don't vote for a coalition" is to modify proportional system ballots to actually "vote for a coalition". There are ranked ballot proportional representation systems but it seems they are only used in Australia. How ballots are actually ranked can be a guidelines on what coalitions voters would prefer. In FPTP + two-party systems, it is possible to have diverse political positions within a large party but in practice voting within a party is undemocratic since parties can set their own rules on how policies are set and how party leaders are elected (members vs. delegates), and political party members are rare and tend to hold extreme beliefs. Party leadership elections might be more democratic if they are end-to-end organized as if they were general elections (registered voters can be a member of one party, voting day for leadership elections, no electronic voting, legally defined voting system and same for every party's leadership election, etc.). FPTP making no mathematical sense (especially with respect to incremental changes in vote distribution as this election shown and having counter-intuitive behaviors with respect to 2D spaces of political positions ("Yee diagram")) is actually my biggest reason for not wanting FPTP.

British people: Voted against alternative vote methods in a referendum aimed to address unfairness in elections. Also British people: The election results are so unfair!

It's weird.

The Hungarian system is an interesting one to consider: there is FPTP for constituencies, there are party lists, and compensation for candidates not getting in with FPTP. It is more proportional than clean FPTP, but still gives disproportionate representation for the larger parties, guaranteeing stable government. If we didn’t just have one large party and a lot of small ones (it if we had two rounds as we used to before 2010), it would work really well.

Wait the green party blocks high speed trains and solar panels?

"we've got Mongolia level voter turn-out" 🤣 ... this is why I subscribe to ibx2cat !

Britian has the same system as India now

Don't want coalitions the only option is a two-party system. If there is ever a third choice, there is always the possibility that no party can reach majority after an election. Not that a 1 seat majority with no coalitions leads to more stable government than a coalition with a combined large majority. Overwhelming majority leads to stable government and you can get that with any system

Liverpool is so Labour, if they started lining up people to be sh*t, there'd be people queue jumping to be first. And I say that as a Liverpudlian myself. Interestingly, on the opposite end of the spectrum, Liverpool seems to have a large number (as in second to Labour) of Reform voters, which most probably wouldn't expect.

What party did toycat vote?

ngl I don't like Sunak's politics, but I do admire and pity his position. He handled it with surprising grace considering how poorly the past ~4 tory prime ministers set things up for him and now he has to be the face of the tories losing

People are sick and tired of politicians and their empty words.

The real Mind fck is that even when you do arrive at the correct conclusion that Free Will doesn't exist you were inevitably going to arrive at that conclusion! :D What people fail to understand though is that even without Free Will you are STILL 'experiencing' things for the first time! So even though you may be on a Roller-coaster you can STILL enjoy the ride! A situation where 4 Million Votes results in 5 Seats but 3.5 Million gets you 76 Seats is CLEARLY NOT democratically representative! Being able to 'Strategize' your way into Power should NOT be a thing. It undermines the idea of everybody's vote being equal AND puts the power into the hands f those with Money and able to campaign and strategize more!

I mean it's been like this for hundreds of years. Are people suddenly mad with the system because Labour won orrrr?? Because reform didn't get hundreds of seats? Orrr because votes don't = seats?

Just remember, when this labour government are thinking about how they will vote on a policy, they will be voting for what they think the people who voted for them will like, will consider if what they vote for might bring round the people who didn't vote for them last time... and they will think very clearly about the kind of people who did not vote and will consider exactly how much can be extracted from them and will even consider if making them even more angry will actually further prevent them from voting.

Don't blame me, i voted for Kodos.

In Italy we had full proportional voting system and 80+ % of electors went to vote. They said majoritary system was better and we went to shit. (obviously it's more complex and nuanced but it was a bad change and they still change the law every election)

One of many issues with FPTP is even if most people want a left-wing government they are forced to pick labour to have a chance, meanwhile, if you want a more right-wing you have to pick the Conservatives. If you're a radical centrist you like the LibDems. Even in countries with PR you still see the centre-left/right blocks take the lion's share of votes, however, every now and again they get into bed with a more radical left/right-wing party and make compromises. I feel this offers a much more amicable type of politics where people with different opinions must compromise rather than win every election with a fuck off majority which they won with around a 3rd of the vote and use that "majority" to beat out what 2/3rds of the country wanted. Maybe the centre-left party needs 10 seats to have a majority but, their slightly more lefty green party agrees to support the government if the government commits to preventing the sale of Petrol/Diesel Cars by 2027 instead of 2030 as per the current plan. Comments like "I didn't vote for a coalition" are pretty pointless, you didn't vote for a PM or a national government, just one MP, that sure you hope is part of the government maybe, but that's not what you were choosing when you voted, further, as the current system is a majority of people DIDN'T vote for the government they got, let alone the government they did want, plus some bonus members from a party which they most likely agree with somewhat. or their party that had no chance of winning nationally, gets a seat at the big table and gets to have an actual impact. One complaint I have heard is that it removes MPs from their local area to solve this, you could merge constituencies so that there was a target pop of 225K instead of 75K, you'd carry out an election much like now except you'd get 3 votes (or RCV for a party instead of a person), every time a party reached 33% of the vote they'd get to send an MP to the commons. If you had Party A with 66% of the vote once RCV was considered, they'd send 2 candidates and if Party B got 33% they'd send one. I am not sure this would be better/worse than it is now, but, it would achieve what's being asked.

So the market responded positively because markets initially respond to calm. Will Labour make things better economically? Of course debatable. Do markets like a solid majority where they can predict their next steps based on months of prep work? Abso-lutely

Im from liverpool. 20 years old. First election. I voted for reform. I had no idea we where even so labour

Free Willy mentioned !!! \o/

Love your videos mate - but could you just learn the pronouncation of plaid cymru - pla I d cymru - say the I like "I am leaving"

I'm a little clueless as to the Presidential election. Seems like there is a Party Ticket. I understand all the individual races. And many states restrict who can be on the ballot and enforce a cut-off time for names. So, how can we still be talking about WHO is running? And will we be voting for someone in jail or the one in an old-folks' home?

has anyone told you that you look like tubbo

SDP voters would have preferred Reform to Labour, despite the name it appeals primarily to disaffected Tories.

Yeah, I really do believe that a great deal of electoral and constitutional reform is needed. My personal political beliefs aligns closer with the Liberal Democrats, however as I wanted to ensure that the Conservative's where to be tossed out, I voted Labour because they where the Party in my constituency that was polling highest, with both the Liberal Democrats and Labour encouraging tactical voting. However, likewise, the argument for FPTP is still quite alive. It usually ensures strong majority governments, limits the rise of more extreme/destabilizing parties such as Reform or formerly UKIP as they would need broad support across many constituencies to get a large amount of seats in Parliament and to be completely frank, the political situation in the UK for someone solely focused on British politics might seem awful, however our politics again are generally more stable and produce results than most nations with proportional representation like Germany. I see the arguments both for and against, I think what this vote showed is that the electorate was mostly divided between those who voted Labour usually tactically purely to get rid of the Conservatives, and then the others where voting for third parties in their area was tactically plausible or who just wanted to show disgruntlement with the current two major political parties. As much as I dislike Farage, he is right in saying that 2029 will be very, very different to now and in my opinion I feel both Reform and the Liberal Democrats may be able to have larger influence and gains by then.

I suppose what would probably annoy some people but would be more democratic would be voting on more issues rather than people with different combinations of stances on different issues. Like let's say the party with 95% of the best stances on policies also had a policy that they were going to kill 1 poor person everyday you wouldn't vote for them event though their policies might be exactly what the people wanted apart from 1 of them. So if instead I voted for the policies I wanted and then a government is setup around that and if they don't do a good job enacting those policies then the people can vote them out immediately.

I'm curious about voter turnout in absolute numbers

the title of this video is "The UK's Election Was It's Most Uneven EVER" even though it should be "The UK's Election Was *Its* Most Uneven EVER"!! plz fix

Count Binface was the true winner 🎉