actually the OnlyOneOf was made by them, at the beginning it was even more explicit. but THE AGENCY literally said they needed to tone done the choreo. so I think OnlyOneOf is naturally comfortable with each other. bcs thats literally THEIR CONCEPT 😭😭😭😭

The male idols suffer the worst with being objectified. The shipping, fan fiction that sexualise them, inappropriate treatment of minors & the fanservice which is unnecessary, there's no need for it, it creates more problems with the excessive shipping. These things are the worst things about K-pop, idols are not objects, they are real people and they always deserve to be respected and treated fairly from the fans and from within the industry itself

OnlyOneOf isnt a good example for this point, the members choreograph their own dances and stated multiple times that they are comfortable with each other. So it isn't correct for you to say that the members did not speak up about it. The choreo for libidO was even stated to be more intense than this but the company told them to tone it down. Nine even said that the crotch grab was improvised and they liked it so they just stuck with it. You can't improvise this without being comfortable with the other person. Please research properly before putting these kind of examples in your video.

I said this before and I'm saying it again explicit fanfics are way too normalised by fans. Last time i wrote about this problem one of the explicit fanfic writer who was also a minor started calling me over sensetive and she cursed at everyone who complains about her "art" not just this but an adult also came to argue with me and her solution was to not read fanfics if we don't like them. I'm truly shocked and disgusted by this incident. We need real laws for this

ok but ooo's libido is a terrible example, they've always had mature concepts and they've worked on the choreo themselves, not to mention that they've stated multiple times that they enjoy having this kind of concept...

for those who don't know, onlyoneof actually worked on the choreo themselves. pressreels did an interview with them, in it rie himself stated it was a lot more intense when the members made the original draft for the choreography, but it was refined with assistance and basically watered down... lmfaooo i can't even imagine what the draft was like, they're insane but i respect them so much for proudly expressing themselves with a good message. edit: forgot to mention, the members themselves work on their music, they really care about what they do and it shows. to non fans, all of the members of onlyoneof have released/are releasing solo songs detailing different aspects of same sex relationships, like all of the struggles/dynamics/emotions that come with it, so please go check them out (:

i feel so bad for the mistreated idols... i hope those fans respect and treat idols better because the idols deserve it :)

Just a reminder for Onlyoneof's Libido, Onlyoneof creates their own choreography. The choreography line most likely made it. Using the song libido, they wanted to show represent uh basically libido? You can read the story under the official mv's description. I mean, im pretty sure theyre comfortable with doing that stuff like have you seen the solo mvs? STREAM BEGIN, BE FREE, BE MINE AND BECAUSE!!!

In regards to OnlyOneOf’s libidO, what do you mean when you said they don’t speak up about it?! They make their own choreography themselves, and you can tell how comfortable they are with each other in the behind the scenes footage of their MVs and stages. In fact, their company made them TONE DOWN the choreography. OOO shouldn’t be on here.

Came here to defend OnlyOneOf, but I see a lot of LyOns have already done that. That choreography really shouldn’t be in this edit. They have a unique concept that is mature, oriented on the same sex relationship and helps the members of the LGBTQIA+ community feel represented. And that is a very brave thing to do, especially in K pop. So please do no devalue what they do by saying they are being forced into it. I do agree that fan service goes over the top in some cases tho. It’s even worse for Thai BL actors, I can never watch those “shows” because they do feel like an extension of the drama fantasy into the real live and a fuel to the delulu fire.

This is a great example on why you need to not speak on OnlyOneOf when you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about

Sexualizing & objectifying male idols is normalised in kpop..atleast people defend & care for female idols but when it’s male idols everyone act like they are product or material.. their fans do the worst of these..

please dont speak about onlyoneof if you dont know what happens behind the scenes. onlyoneof are the ones who make their choreography, the members even mentioned how the original libido choreography made by the MEMBERS THEMSELVES were more explicit in fact the staffs had asked them to water it down

Couldn't disagree more about the onlyoneof libido dance. they choregraghed libido and the company told them to tone it down meaning they made it even more explicit lol they are very comfortable with each other and love their concept

At last somebody talked about the mistreatment male idols go through

as others have already mentioned, onlyoneof is responsible for their own choreography and they HAVE actually talked about the libido choreo and how they came up with it in interviews. disappointed with your lack of research there as even a cursory search for information on onlyoneof reveals that they are a self-produced self-choreographing group.

Please show some respect to OnlyOneOf by doing some research on their work instead of making assumptions. This is exactly what mistreatment is about, discounting their autonomy as fully functional human-beings and speaking in their place. Anyway, please support OnlyOneOf by actually taking a good look at their discography, performances, and understanding their messages.

I don't think many fans realize how damaging forced skinship can be. They are so blinded by how 'cute' I suppose it looks to them. Imagine being pushed to be that close or to touch a person you are not attracted to. I am not saying it is always fake, I genuinely think some idols are close and are comfortable with it but when not.. it is uncomfortable to say the least.

I'm so happy that finally someone is talking about the mistreatment male idols go through. There are many videos on how female idols are mistreated but there are very few that talk about these topics and I totally agree with the fanfics one because it was from this year that I started reading fanfics and I must say that there are so many explicit fanfics more shocking is that no only they are more in number but also they have so many views like there are so many good fanfics out there without these content but they don't have as many views as those fanfics have this is a very sad thing in the start I have seen like around 30-40 fanfics of that kind but I have just stopped watching them and watch those one which barely or don't contain these types of explicit content in them and I like them so much that I can even watch them as many times

I felt really bad for male idols they cant do anything about bcz they have to make their company and fans happy im also sick of watching my fav idols shipping and how they feel uncomfortable fans should stop these things and company who did not take care of idols should get severe punishment and omega x situation is really bad i hope they stay safe

Wait the oblyoneof was a choreography that they make and it’s part of their concept (the male appeal) but it’s kinda worried that a lot of groups have minors in it. I hope that they at least try to not debut younger guys and try the darker Concepts when the members feel ready

Completely disagree with your commentary on libidO. If even a little research was done you would have seen several interviews on camera where the members explain the choreography that they themselves helped create AND where they specifically say they like the choreo because it should be considered as a whole performance and not just in one or two pieces. “While the members never spoke up about it…” is in fact incorrect.

It always made me uncomfortable when idols are like this, I hope they're doing okay :(

keep in mind that ni-ki is one of the most sexualised member in enhypen since he was 14. he is also younger than 3 newjeans member and debuted almost 2 years before them. we don’t if the other minor members of the group were uncomfortable with the fever choreography but ni-ki wasn’t since he only sees dancing as an art and has been doing so many similar choreos since he was a kid but he was so sexualised for it. But there’s one thing that made him really uncomfortable was shipping with members especially another minor member, sunoo (he’s an adult now but that is not the point). anyone who knows enha since iland knows how close both of them were. they were always next to each other. after the show ni-ki was really homesick and couldn’t sleep so he would cuddle with sunoo. he said he was used to cuddling with his sisters in japan so it wasn’t a big deal to both of them. they were so close that they even celebrated ‘sunki day’ and post a selfie of them 24th of every month which is sunoo birth date. they eventually stopped it when they debuted. people just assumed they were busy. but people started shipping them more and it turned more romantically. that’s when ni-ki tried not to sleep next to sunoo. he even made it a monthly goal to sleep alone. it took him months and there were days he slept next to him but they stopped talking about it. ni-ki eventually became insomniac. he wasn’t really diagnosed with it but the members were concerned with his sleeping habits. he would stay awake till 5am or 6am and go to the company at 10. they were so many times ni-ki says he can’t sleep and only sleep in between practice and schedule but everyone blamed the company. eventually sunoo and ni-ki’s friendship was only behind the scenes. ni-ki is shipped with other members too but when it comes to sunoo it’s always romantically. that’s why for people who became a fan now would never know how close these two were. it’s not just them but every member in the group. these shipping culture made enha’s relationship in front of camera unknown. their shipping made everyone member distant from each other in front of camera. whenever a member says ‘i ate with this member’ fans immediately say ‘ohhh these two went on a date’ like recently sunoo and ni-ki went out for dinner together alone with no manager in japan and now we have these shippers making edits of them. sunoo once took ni-ki’s new toothbrush without telling him and ni-ki was just making jokes about it then we have shippers saying they share same brush. this is why they keep their friendship in private but we have these anti say that ni-ki bullying sunoo and ignoring sunoo but whereas ni-ki is uncomfortable since you ship them romantically.

A lot of companies don't give idols/workers any freedom and respect. I have friends in Korea who has opened up to me about their mistreatment. The hierarchy culture in Korea plays a huge part in stress and mental issues for their citizens. It's really messed up and unfair.

OnlyOneOf members did talk about it after the controversy,they did an interview and they said they were the ones who created the dance.

Leave OnlyOneOf alone.

SM's staffs' mistreatment toward foreign idols😡 will always be one of the saddest sight for me🥺. And of course the Omega X case...😢

it's sad that male sexualisation is never talked about enough. i don't understand why women hate being objectified but don't hesitate to objectify men. i personally couldn't stan boy groups anymore as some of the fans are raging with hormones and don't know how to control it. i hate the idea of "hard stans" and i hate twitter pages that make roleplay porn scenarios with actual explicit videos where they fantasise about male idols fornicating with each other. i think calling idols "idols" is a huge reason why many k-pop fans don't see these performers as humans but rather objects as idols are meant to be worshipped and objectified. the entire industry is just so fucked up. fanservice is often overdone. i know sometimes there is real chemistry between male idols as colleagues and friends but it can be so obvious sometimes when it's being forced; it's just upsetting that these people we look up to are treated like literal dogshit.

I feel so bad for these mistreated idols and also all the fans and agencies should respect the idols especially since there are a lot more minors being idols now so if you are older you should not ask anything inappropriate to a minor idol or ever as they could be uncomfortable I hate people for doing this

OnlyOneOf should definitely NOT be in here.. They have said so many times that they are comfortable with the choreo and they are the ones that choreographed it in the first place.. Also when a fan asked them on a vlive if they feel uncomfortable with fanservice.. which they didn't have to read btw.. they said that they (specifically Junji) don't do it for the fans and that they feel comfortable enough with the members to joke around.. I don't think you would know this if you don't stan them.. Their recent solo songs are all about same-sex relationships and the different dynamics of it etc.. They didn't stop even when they received backlash because of that step from Libido choreo.. As a person of the LGBTQ+ community, it makes me really happy to see such representation that too in KPop but dismissing it as fanservice and assuming they feel uncomfortable discourages artists to make music on same-sex relationships..

I just hate when people ship idols as couples when they never confirmed it whether its from the opposite gender or same gender and this needs to be stopped. If you are a true and good fan you should NEVER ship them as couples since who knows maybe they are uncomfortable and only see eachother as friends, brothers or sisters so please don't ship idols if they never confirmed their relationship, and some need to stop asking things like "is jenlisa real" or "is taekook real" cuz it might make them uncomfortable and it's their private life they don't need to confirm or address anything

Lee Know has always been open of how he is not comfortable in showing his skin. He even just brush of comments on when he will show his abs to the fans and funny cuz antis are taking it out of context that lee know is unprofessional because of it. Y'all are sick! Some even went to the point of bashing him because the maniac comeback incident that is published oc how mad lee know was.

I get the point of this video but dont include OnlyOneOf when seems you don't know they actually made that part of libido choreo, more specific, Nine.

I'm so proud of Jisung for never comprising. He has my respect for that.

Every idol gets mistreated badly which sucks….

but.... onlyoneof choreo's their own dances 🧍🧍🧍🧍🧍🧍

I'm glad someone else feels the cringe that I do. I feel like now that kpop is now international, and social norms vary from country to country, these companies may need to reconsider forcing their artists to do inappropriate/illegal things...just saying.

Finally someone have spoked about explicit fanfiction. As a fellow reader of the explicit fanfics I just can't read fanfic if the characters was inspired by a real person, especially if they are minors. I still remember when I found a very explicit fanfiction(there were warnings of rape, violence and etc.) about ENHYPEN's Niki, Jungwon and other underaged members.

A member of Wonder Boyz was also allegedly assaulted by their CEO back in 2015, and had 3 months salary stolen. If the members were girls, the lawsuit would have been bigger news and there would have been more outrage.

I'm glad that idols are speaking out against the fanservice. I've never been a fan of it because it's obviously fake. I would rather see them be boring and real, or see the genuine connections forming between them than seeing them be forced to partake in these cringey fake antics. I guess most fans can't relate since they love fanservice.

Talking about abuse of idols, especially minors is very important. That's why I don't understand why would you discredit your own work by bringing OnlyOneOf into conversation they are clearly not a part of. This shows lack of research or care. Very upsetting.

Thank you for this video. I just want to make the note that "Minho" from Stray Kids prefers to go by his stage name Lee Know. That's his professional name so it's best to use it when discussing him as a professional idol.

I always think that if I were the idols, I will be very uncomfortable to see people writing about me and my friend making love. It just feels so weird and inappropriate. 🤕

Thank u for talking about this!

Yet another reason why underage idols should absolutely not be a thing.

I hate when fans basically forcing idols to 'reveal' or show some skin. It happened with Hongjoong, he said he isn't comfortable showing skin but he accidentally showed it during a show and some fans couldn't respect his privacy by still posting and even lusting over it (disgusting!). It's so incredibly disrespectful; imagine that it's you! I honestly don't think you are a real fan if you disrespect their boundaries like that!

They are also humans Everyone deserve respect Respect their privacy Respect your Idol Don't put your imagination in idols life

why is it we only talk about OnlyOneOf when there’s a problem. why don’t we talk about them for their incredible music talent and their unique style along with their contribution to the lgbt community. sure the choreo is controversial but they seemed fine and if you’ve watched their recent MV’s for begin and because, you’d see that they seem fine with going further. i obvi can’t speak for the members but i wish we’d speak about OnlyOneOf more for the positive things and not always about how “libidO is inappropriate” and “they’re queerbaiting” bc they aren’t, they literally aren’t.

I wish idols were able to openly say to fans that they're uncomfortable with shipping because many definitly go over the line and take all the fanservice between idols literally. also while I sometimes read fanfiction I have to laugh at people who say '.... probably reads fanfiction about himself and giggles at it'. at the end of the day we don't know idols in real life, but every person has boundaries and we can't assume that everyone is comfortable with fans' work. also 'they ship their ship themselves' is annoying: ho do you know they're enjoying skinship and fanservice and are not being made to do that by the company? it's even more buffling when adult people seriously believe in romantic ships among idols based on exsessive fanservice and a few weird fan edits

Stray Kids can choose not to show their body (or certain body parts) if they don't want to. In Minho's case, his costume was prepared so as not to reveal his stomach, perhaps fixing the edges of his jacket wasn't done good enough, because of which he had to control his torso from exposing the entire performance and move stiffly. Minho made his dissatisfaction with the issue very clear, and the stylist took it into account.

Idols should have more control of their wardrobes and more of a say in their choreography, that is absolutely true. They are being over sexualized, absolutely, and I HATE seeing them clearly uncomfortable. While performing they should wear clothes that they feel confidet and comfortable in, and can move in properly. Though, there are idols who like being sexy and like showing off, and can be a real tease, and that is when another issue appears. Infantilization. As an ARMY I am sick of people saying that they don't know what they are doing or that they don't mean it. One of them slipping in a suggestive joke while in a life stream, and suddenly you have a ton of army showing up to say that they don't understand the joke. Those are also the same people who don't want them to be in relationships. It's as though they see them as not mature enough to be in one, and it's damn disturbing. There's two extremes, and I don't like either.

Perhaps me being a male fan who also, happens to be gay I have entirely different view. Objectifying, I feel like a person is going to do that regardless of if they show their abs or not especially if they're a saesang. In regards, to fan service its nothing like 3rd gen when I first, got into kpop not even close and out of all the groups I liked in 3rd gen only 2 are still active sadly. Fashion I won't speak on most I pay attention to that is if it looks good or nice color. For choreography, if one found every hip thrust inappropriate there would be no choreography and it would be a lot like that sad excuse that the USA calls music. For onlyoneof, they chose to do that choreography on their own and there was a point in doing so that largely got ignored by stupid people proving their whole point and even if they're all heteronormative which sadly, probably are feeling like your not ignored by society and your existence matters it's a big deal for people who have to fight just for the right to live. Abuse from agency that one is an issue out of all these I think the biggest one. Although, I would also add that that abuse from saesang and the way agencies pay their artists especially, if they smaller group or how they promote them if at all is a bigger issue.

@Kookielit thanks so much for addressing this issue,it's seriously serious. The unnecessary fan services are just too much,one thing you brought out that brings me joy is also about the minors,like the kind of things their forcing this kids to do is so unfair and bad. Also the kind of songs the produce for the kids to be singing and dancing to is not right for a little child to be singing. When I first saw "Enhypen's "Fever" '. I paused for a moment and was like,the look so young why are they dancing that kind of movements. Hmmm. I wish I had a platform to talk about it. You did so good addressing it. Hope the get to hear it

did come here to defend ooo and their creative freedom within their choreography and composition, came to find that there is a massive amount of lyons doing the same so I wont really say much other than they choreographed this themselves and have spoken about the topic many times. this is actually a really well thought out and well intended video that approaches real issues in a respectful manner but as it says so at the start of the part referring to OnlyOneOf this is only an assumption and not fact therefore should be treated as such. thank you for listening .

All idols deserve better respect

idols should be treated like humans, please leave them alone

so much fan service makes me uncomfortable, because to me at least, it's obviously forced most of the time, like 98% or something like that idek. like, most male idols being all touchy and stuff is for show and fans will NEVER believe this. this isn't 100% of the time because there are great friendships in groups, but most of the excessive stuff that causes shipping rumors amongst fans is simply fan service, nothing more. i won't name any specific groups or ships based on this, even though it would give more insight into the issue, because no doubt in my mind some fan of them would read it and blow a fuse lol. your oppars aren't dating i promise you this lol

This all good until they start talk about OnlyOneOf..They just don't want to know about their music,they act like superhero want to protect OnlyOneOf members and going around saying OOO are uncomfortable and forced to do anything when in reality they never check on them, never seeing their interview and never heard any of their music or stream their Mv, they acting like OOO parents but never know that OOO real parents support their group so much and Yoojung's parents even said he and Kb looks so good together in their Mv, Rie said his father support him the most in his solo..haters and Homophobic attached them and some going so far to spread rumour about their Concept make their leader leave the group .. I am seriously sick of this..glad OOO is brave enough to never care about haters..if you care about OOO go listen to their entire discography and talk about their talents

I really feel sorry and bad about all k-pop idols both male and female but in most cases many won't believe it that even male idols go through alot just because they're men. Netizens /fans should also stop being toxic.

I hate those kinds of fanfics. I write fantasy fanfics in preparation for my own original fantasy story series so this paints a bad picture on fanfics and those who write them. Please don’t read those kind of stories

Thank you for making this, people always only talk about female idols and their problems, but never about the ones of male idols and make it seem that male idols have it soo much easier than female idols. It's concerning.

This is very true, and I will still to this day say that Enhypen should've waited to release Fever and it makes me uncomfortable to watch the music video. However I also have to post out that as a lyOn (OnlyOneOf fan) The explicit choreography move in libidO was actually choreographed my Nine (the one kneeling) himself. He said so on multiple occasions. Most OOO choreographies are choreographed by the members, but they also work with a choreographer. The choreographer originally had Nine grab Love's thigh, but after many practices Nine and Love changed it and got many reactions they liked, and kept doing it their way instead. Also, for their new couple songs (the group of six members is now categorized in three romantic couples portrayed in MVs.) these songs are fully written and produced by the members themselves. Of course they can collaborate with people in their company, but overall it is their art. Even in Rie's song because, he sings the lyrics "call me by your name" which was written my Rie himself I have heard. I think all lyOns I have seen can say that the members seem much happier since their release of the instinct albums. The only member who seemed uncomfortable was Love who eventually left the group before the release of instinct pt.2. Why he decided to change the choreo with Nine we'll never know I guess. But he seemed to have a lot going on in his life at the time and his departure most likely caused by more that just the concept of their group. After all, he did create the songs together with the members.

I remember seeing leeknow was pissed with his outfit and we stays we know how how is doent like to show skin....omegax case made me so furious....AM glad they exposed everything they deserve better

Ya'll didn't research properly. OnlyOneOf makes their own choreo and this what they wanna do. Don't slander their company like this. Take them out of this video.

Female idols go through a lot, of course they get sexualized but I feel like it's way more severe and it's not taken as serious as female idols and that's a problem. Male or female, sexualization is a crime

Thank goodness somebody has finally spoke up about this!!!!

I like this video very much. Very well done!! The other day I saw a fan art of the ship from the one of the fandoms I'm in and boy, it was so explicit i had to take a moment to think "what if (...) or (...) [the 2 members involved in the ship, I'll keep the names private0] saw this, would they be ok while looking at this fan art?" And i also thought that some fanfics and fanarts cross the line of the idols privacy.

i agree that male idols are oversexualised but using onlyoneof as an example isn't appropriate at all. a lot of people have covered it in a lot of detail but already and i hate that people shove ooo into this narrative when their work has a very important aim that people choose to overlook. they are supposed to be a mature group, that explores the human experience using themselves as characters in their storylines. they highlight the importance of lgbtq+ representation through their music and choreo. the members themselves are very involved in the process of songwriting and choreographing. to me, whoever is uncomfortable with ooo either does not understand the purpose of their music or does not feel that it is something important to address and explore.

please don't bring onlyoneof here. firstly, libido choreo is not even that explicit, crotch grab actually the only explicit move there. secondly, if you knew more about the concept and the group in general you would understand that they're comfortable with what they do. they work on choreo by themselves + they always had that mature unique concept.

I know fan service is what their company makes them do but that is really cringy and gross me out, as a fan I don't want to see them doing things they are not comfortable with and it's so true that male idols are se**ally objectified too, and don't get me started on fan fictions they were so gross, how can a fan write such disgusting things on their fav idols??!!!!! it's the best thing to report them. As a fan these FF make me feel uncomfortable it must be horrible for idols to read such things about themselves, these FFs should be banned, or should have some limitations at least, so people don't dare to write crap about the idols, just let them live they are humans too.

Why bringing OnlyOneOf in this

Why the duck is OnlyOneOf here????? Anyways, stream begin, be free, because and be mine!

1:17 ugh yes i still remember this, he would do a cuffs sign to indicate they're crossing the line

Excited to watch this vid❤

Objectification on male idols are just cringe for me. They're also being sexualized 🤧

the false information on onlyoneof in this video kind of makes the rest of ur research look non credible :/ assuming they’re uncomfortable when they, in fact, made the dance is part of the problem. it’s like when people say female idols “look uncomfortable” when a lot of times they’re the ones choosing the outfit. just because YOU are uncomfortable with it does not mean the idols are. really disappointing

I have been waiting for a video like this in K-pop for so long . Every time you see videos of double standards on K-pop female point of view, making it seem as if Male idols don't suffer in this industry 😒

Wow I've never seen OnlyOneOf on videos of this chanel but here they are here for their concepts I mean I got the point but like it's weird to never speak about them but out of clue include them on a video like this just because of their choreography that they never mention any complain for Which leads me to the conclusion that this chanel knows nothing for the group and their concepts

Eventually, we need to agree that this is all a whole systemic issue. On one hand, companies have way too much power over idols, which eventually lead into them being forced to do things they wouldn't want and put into uncomfortable situations. On the other hand, fans are way to used to be entitled to things they should never had. I hope that cases such as Omega X serve as an inflection point for idols to be protected and have more guarantees against any kind of abusive behavior by their employers, and to sign contracts that protect their right to their image and their private life instead of it being straight off handed out to the labels as it is now. But also fans as consumers need to make a change. We can't keep seeing as normal the insane amount of control fans have over idols behavior and abusing their boundaries, as well as realizing the power we have over objectification and sexualization. It will never stop until there isn't a market for it anymore, and we are the target.

Both men and women face problems. No need to one-up one another

This is concerning.......so concerning especially minors.....it's so disgusting. I hate fan fiction the most....

Do your research on OOO before you start making assumptions

My first experience with idols came from when I was in my teens and early twenties. Groups like Backstreet Boys, New Kids on the Block, New Edition, Jodeci, NSync, 98 degrees, FIVE, O-Town, Westlife...the list goes on and on...were what I loved to dance to. I adored watching the choreography because every member would dance in sync to the beat of the music in their videos. I didn't go completely crazy with them like wallpapering my room in their posters crazy but I did post one good one on my wall. They played crooner music, great dance beat music, some rap...but the songs were amazing. Fact is, I love all kinds of music but there is a special place in my heart for this brand of sound. Fast forward to the year that EXO released "Don't Mess Up My Tempo" and that was when I bought my first introduction to Kpop cd. I loved what I heard!! Then KZfaq was my access to all KPOP....Then I found JPOP. I remember all the EXILE TRIBE mini groups and I loved every single one!! Curious if there were more to be heard from other countries, I wound up falling in love with Cpop or Mpop (whichever you prefer) and I found the group R1SE, UNIQ, and XNINE. That fueled my interest in Cdramas and Kdramas. We bought our first Netflix subscription one Christmas a few years ago and the world opened up further. Now I listen to all kinds of international pop. I LOVE the groups SB19 and Alamat from the Phillipines or (Fpop). Many actors/actresses from my dramas are also found the pop world...and so I find new and interesting groups to become a fan for. As a 52 year old married mom of two, I can honestly say that I love these pop groups. Now instead of potential boyfriends, I see them as the boys(sons) I never had. Kids that aren't truly mine but I want to support their careers. I want only the best for them in their careers and their own personal lives. I cheer them on all the time. I'm happy to be introduced to newer groups such as T.A.N. and GreatGuys because these kids work hard and I want them to succeed. I'll share their videos on facebook with friends/family who might be interested to get them new fans. I am so happy to still be here enjoying this type of music since the ones I began went silent for a long time. Just recently they have started coming out to tour again. Some are even posting again and sharing pictures or videos with their kids and I am so proud of them for living so well and it makes me happy that they are happy. That's the way I want all their fans to act. To just be happy and proud of these boys who work so hard and put up with so much just to follow their dream. Give them courtesy, show them love, but also let them be the boys they need to be. Let them live their lives the way they want to, don't dictate how someone is to live their life because you would not want to be treated that way. Always remember that golden rule :Treat others as you would wish them to treat you. LOVE and LIGHT!! :)

On the topic of idols acting lovey-dovey, i actually get uncomfortable when i see it now, because the thought always crops up in my mind - is this real or are they being told to do it?

i’m glad i came across this video because you always see ppl speak up about the mistreatment and double standards that female idols go through, but male idols go through the exact same things on a daily yet it’s never taken seriously enough and if we’re being honest, i 100% blame k-pop stan’s for that. kpop stans have created this environment where non poc/non asian people, specially men, feel safe enough to be racist, transphobic, homophobic & xenophobic towards bg members unprovoked with no repercussions as long as they have a gg member in the pfp all in favor of “feminism”.

To be fair to OOO, they are very tasteful, their music is about sensuality and relationships so its fine within the context

Stray Kids and OnlyOneOf are terrible examples. please do more research

this is why people should do more in depth research before saying something. onlyoneof creates their choreography, they’ve stated that when they do skin ship, or doing an “explicit” dance move they’re comfortable with it and have no problem… dont know why you would down play their work, to say they don’t feel comfortable in doing it. when they’ve said it themselves, that they don’t have a problem with it, and if they would’ve told the company or would’ve left the group completely. and the fact that people mostly pay attention to the queerness part of the groups concept, and say it’s a form of mistreatment, instead of the shit 8d actually does to them is baffling, and that should say something.

Can we talk about one of the obvious solutions? Stop putting minors under contract. It should be an industry standard that no one can debut until they reach legal age in Korea, which is 19 by international reckoning.

I love kpop so much but at this point its too much, the female body shame, the way SOME fans treat some members more than others, forgetting they are humans and have a family, they cant do what they want, they are so limited, are told to do things to entertain fans, and getting treated like this?? TOO MUCH, i truly feel like crying whenever i think about this

Fans: don't assume their sexuality. Goes ahead to assume they're straight. And to those delusional fans you will never get a chance with your bias or favourite idol. I said this somewhere and someone was like you don't know what the future holds and I was like gurl stop being delusional they can't be with you. Go get a partner that'll help.

YG is always known to discuss with their Male Idols to kick them out or leave their groups for some reason.

Male underage idols are still sexualised. Ni-ki of Enhypen has been sexualised so many times, people even say he doesn't look like he's 16, so what does he suppose to look like, an adult?? He's of my age so I feel extremely bad for him. Ni-ki is sometimes comfortable showing his skin but that doesn't give us the right to sexualise him. Plus Enhypen members rarely do skin ship, and that's why many people say they're not "close enough". This is so wrong. People think you're close only when you're queer baiting or comfortable with skin ship. I'm glad Enhypen members show us their natural side, they don't force themselves to please us. The members have always told how much they love and care for each other but since they're shy they don't show it explicitly. Plus not doing skin ship doesn't mean they have a beef with each other. That's why people doubt their bond so much and always say they're not close enough. Thanks for this video

Everyone deserve respect

.I got threatened by a ton of people years ago when I would see male idols doing these things.. lol now i drop it on my reaction videos. lol

I agree with everything. The fact about fan service makes me very uncomfortable. I mean, it might be that the idols are truly close to each other but it is not necessary that they are comfortable showing it on camera. We care for our parents but it is not like we love to make a show of it!! Plus all this fan service often leads to toxic shipping, some delusional and unhinged fanfics and some really uncomfortable rumors. These things can make idols awkward and sometimes even affect their frdship! I think idols should be allowed to stay the way they truly are, and not force fan service which will only encourage these delusional fans!! And the objectification!! I have always felt whether BG or GG, the explicit choreos and the outfits of the kids in group to be too uncomfortable!! I am 28 and when I see groups like New jeans and En-hyphen, where there are school kids, made to perform choreos way beyond their age, I can't help but cringe. Ni-ki and Jungwon are 16-17 and 3 members of New Jeans are still not adult with one member being 14!! I do not understand why can't they give them something age appropriate. I wonder what kind of pedophilic audience are appealing to!!

I thought that female groups and female trainees were getting mistreated until I heard of the East Light group then Omega X recently males and females idols should be treated fairly

So cruel treat KPOP Idols treated that, is so evil.

That's why I feel unconfortable with the sensual coreographies and outfits. It always comes to my mind "does he/she actually wants to do it? Are you ok with it?" if so, then alright. Misconduct of companies and "fans" is never ok, tho.