Yeah, now I'm interested in Hello Kitty, some of those cards look cute lol.

Oh man same, never even considered getting into metazoo until now. I’ve dropped at least 3k over the past few days buying up cheap boosters

I briefly got into it for a few months before M.Z. closed down, because believe it or not, I have a local group who actually plays the game. Although the group is kind of dead now...sad 😢

I've seen it at target locally, so it might be regional?

I'm in the midwest. It was in my local targets and walmarts. But it never sold! The rows of blisters and products just sat on shelves. And I'm not even mentioning card shops! There's a local one with CASES upon CASES of unsold product.

​@@TheoJay615Target only on Illinois and Iowa. Not sold at Walmart. Sold decent at Target up to UFO.

He was a stock broker... And you could exchange his MtG speech just to any popular ticker and he would sound like 99% of the finance youtube.

It’s called pump and dump whether it’s stocks, crypto, or even physical product as in this case.

He was already getting sketchy even before getting involved with these products.

It took me 30 Seconds to know that Rudy was bad for the hobby.

@@39Lords you definitely have a sharper mind than mine

Context? Who is rudy? Edit: nevermind he explained its one of the investment bros. Is that also the guy that got stuck with like 100s of boxes of that set of Force of Will that pretty much killed the game? Lol.

@@jonathan-6958 He runs the KZfaq Channel Alpha Investments.

play our song

Exactly. Collecting, selling and buying cards is a normal aspect of any healthy TCG, but investment bros make it infinitely harder because they strongarm casual and less affluent collectors out of the scene whenever they pop up.

Yes look at the Frisker Ocean

What’s the name of the video/channel?

@@KripdomIII I tried looking it up. I can't find it, I think it was removed. It was so well explained too. His name is Gage, who made the video, he wasn't even trying to be negative, the premise of the video, was he got a guy come into the shop trying to see if they sold metazoo, he said they didn't and the guy got mad and was trying to give him a sales pitch of why metazoo was going to be the next big thing like pokemon. His follow up question to the guy who came in was, "is the game fun", and the guy proceeded to say he doesn't actually play the game. So he decided to look into the game and only ever found finance style content on it, and found it to be impossible to find actual game play of the game. He looked into the founder, explained all the problems he saw with the game and all the mistakes they were making (nfts) expanding too quickly, low player base, their biggest events had maybe a few thousand people, while the actual popular tcgs gets upwards of 4X as much people for medium events.

@@KripdomIII It was Nyhmnim, but the whole thing is no longer online. The whole thing was a breakdown he did on stream IIRC, which someone else uploaded on KZfaq, but the upload is now gone, and nobody seems to have made a backup.

Leaning into NFTs and crypto killed any chance at acquiring new players.

​@@JamesNintendoTurdTHE AGE OF GAGE LETS GOOOOOOO

No one really cared by that point, Metazoo was comsidered a joke way before that.

It sucks because i considered buying a few of the actual decks i found for sale as a kind of game to play with kids at school (I'm a teacher). The concept felt like it would have been great for that elementary school age group​@@nmr7203

Frisker Ocean owner

Yes

Why did you need his opinion specifically

Because he is great. I dont know. Kohdak is a great youtuber. ​@@nmr7203

@@nmr7203WWTFIMD? (What would the funny internet man do?)

While there is always a chance, Sorcery and Metazoo have two different leadership styles and 2 different goals. Sorcery is focused on 1 set a year because they are a small company. Metazoo were branding and releasing anything and everything possible. Sorcery is also being run by one of the inventors of Path of Exile who left that company to focus on his game. The scaling of his game is much smaller. There are obvious crossovers but the differences are starker. Sorcery is more of a boardgame in a way

@@themagictraindriver thanks for the insight. One more question. Is Sorcery then not a ccg? (real question)

@@MrRayRockstar It is a CCG but it's a grid based game and designed to be played Kitchen Table. It's a hybrid style game. This is the first time a game like this has tried this model to my understanding. It's basically one set a year which has its positives and negatives. It will be interesting how they balance the needs of the players and the needs of the game store. It's not endless product and there is no real competitive scene. So much fun to play though and honestly the best card opening experience i have had since Revised in 1994. Without hyperbole.

Not sure. Sorcery is AT LEAST an actual game that is fun to play as well as to look at. But it does have similar issues to current TCG markets, where "investment bros" have been buying product. scalping it. denying player buyers. calling it a "collectible". And then going surprisedPikachu.jpg when the market crashes because its those very same "casual players" that keep the market afloat and working at all. Right now, i would say the prices for the beta product have been relatively "healthy". But the playerbase is also extremely small because not enough product is being given to interested LGSs to build a local community out of. Remains to be seen if itll stick around past a year/year in a half. But the product itself that has been released is VERY HIGH QUALITY and the foils are something worth legitimately wanting to own. Its just that good.

No..but Frisker is 😂

much harder to ship. Usually things are sent in a small-ish box. If you have ever bought a nice playmat you know how much space it saves

All we can do is learn

But didn't you hear? They're reprinting sets that weren't able to meet player demand. This is bad for some reason.

@@geek593 bad for dude bro investors great for players

@@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322 May they rest in piss.

I'm not so sure, it's coming up on what 4 years, it's sales consistently place it right below the big 3 for TCGs, and it has multiple weekly play groups from what I can see. It's got a good game at core level and I think it's here to stay. It might not last 20 years, but it's at 4 years at least so it's not fallen victim to the 2 year curse.

A few years ago I would have agreed but FAB turned it around and concentrated on players and play. That really turned them around.

Not true at all. FAB has a healthy player base. My LGS has 10 to 12 each week. LSS did exactly what they needed to do the get the investors and people like Rudy out of their game. FAB should easily make it 10+ years

@OpinionatedFanboy they literally made a Rudy card... how is that getting him out of your game? FaB was a COVID cash grab. Just because 10 people near you like to play it does not equate to a healthy game. 8 people show up weekly to play Force of Will at my LGS, so I am to assume it's nice and healthy?? No.

@Maddecent30 , umm thousands of players attend their calling events. The game pretty much told Rudy to fuck off to support LGS that carry their game and run organized play. They used to be in bed with Rudy and that's why the promos exist but they realized that was bad for the game and cut him off.

Digimons going to go as well 😢

​@@PokeLaneYTHow so??