Update: As of some time ago, the devs implemented a new rule for most maps that prevent multiple structures of the same from spawning. This has had a MASSIVELY positive impact on the RNG of most maps, so good job listening and implementing this idea BHVR!

Honestly I think that map rng is the most unbalanced thing in dbd. I’m a killer main and sometimes I’ll get maps with massive dead zones or enough pallets to make Home Depot blush. Glad to see a big creator addressing this.

The last time I saw a map this bad, 13 dwarves were trying to figure out a way into the lonely mountain.

Actually the map RNG is designed to be completely predictable; when I'm playing killer there's tons of connected loops and pallets but when I'm playing survivor there's 3 total loops on the map.

I would get that suffocation pit luck but then immediately hear nurse

The worst one I've had was playing blight on the game, the survivors had six out of seven gens spawn bottom floor, didn't even know that was possible! I could basically just go back and forth on the bottom and I automatically won

The worst (or ig best for me) map generation I've seen was on old grim pantry. I could stand next to the gen on top of the pantry and had a clear view of every other gen in the game. I was Wraith so none of them were more than a couple seconds away, literally had a 7 gen

*Due to recent talk on map rng, we've decided to increase every maps size by 20 meters and increase the number of gens by 3*

I propose a solution to this, I think if we tweak the pigs kit(it’s a little strong) we can easily solve the bad rng map problem

This makes me think they should add some type of min and max pallet/ structure system wherein the tile spawns are still rng but you won’t be getting nearly as many insane tiles or excess/ shortage of pallets.

0:57 I feel like Midwich is an exclusively hookless map. So many times that I can't make it to a hook because there are absolutely non nearby and the survivor gets out for free, wasting the last minute or so of my time just so I have to chase them pre-dropping everything all over again.

The map RNG is both the best & the worst part about DBD. Just the other day, I posted about it, I got a gen that spawned inside the mannequin room above the bathroom in The Game. And was so shocked about it. I have nearly 3k hrs in this game and I've never seen that before.

Regular Killer mains: "Pallets after pallets after pallets! They never end! What a shitty RNG!". Nurse mains: "What pallets?"

0:36 to be fair, Eyrie of Crows makes killers want to cry regardless

Yesterday I played on Eyrie and had 6 hooks total on it. One corner simply did not have hooks or generators in the 30m radius. This game suprizes me sometimes :D

I absolutely love this type of video, dbd map generation has been a Grey zone in my game knowledge for ages and I'd love to learn more about it. If you could make a video in the future about it that would be amazing!

When people say coal tower is balanced I just can't agree, it almost ALWAYS spawn with multiple intertwining loops especially with the main building window, and rarely can you generate any kind of dead zones due to their always a safe structure being available against m1 Killers.

Having map RNG in my eyes is a good thing as it helps to eliminate the majority of predetermined map based strategies where one side has almost no chances of dealing with the strategy, as a result this puts an emphasis on the individuals ability to improvise and adapt which is great at raising the skill level of the game rather than the opposite which would reduce chases to doing the same safe and optimised series of loops again and again (also not saying this stuff doesn't still happen)... But only when it's finely tuned to prevent the situations shown from occurring.

Not surprised about the first map. Suffocation pit always has a ridiculously impossible middle for the majority of matches. It is literally physically impossible for M1 killers to deal with it and good survivors know this and exploit this fact.

I was literally playing onis map yesterday, and there was no hooks around me. They were all in the corners and the map being kinda big I ended up losing 3 hooks. The survivors took advantage of this because they kept going in the center where that pyramid structure was so they could go down and escape.

The second one is literally unfair for any survivor team, good or not

Honestly 70% of this game's issues would be solved with better map generation. I will sometimes get fun maps where catching a surivor of guard will net me a free hit, but after that chasing is still a possibility. Other times, no matter what the survivors do, they will always die because they had to use the one pallet available. Then the next game I DC because I feel like I've broken 10 pallets, and they still get chasing value because of ridiculous window spawns, and when they finally get blocked, there are 5 other pallets waiting to be used.

Thank you for doing these videos. I struggle at keeping up insane knowledge required to stay good at this game, these help so much :)

The heaviest spawn I ever had was on Badham Preschool, there was a spot where 4 filler pallets spawned between Main and the building with two floors in a straight line, before that was the Killer Shack, two pallets on the street and behind the two buildings were also pallets.

Old Haddonfield be looking honest now

"We've received a few complaints about rng being too much of a deciding factor in matches. We hear you, and have decided to nerf pig. Her traps now have a 100% chance to be removed at the first box, removing all random chance from the equation" -Bhvr, probably

hey that's me in one of the honorable mentions!!! it was super fun to participate and look through maps :)

All of the winning entries being MacMillan maps says a lot about the RNG of them as a whole. No doubt that map RNG applies across the board, but god damn, they need to fix map RNG.

Makes me think of that one time I got suffocation pit with ONLY T and L walls in the middle area that were all oriented to chain perfectly into one another. The poor Michael had to drop chase whenever someone went there bc he couldnt get a single hit.

The biggest issues with DbD: The maps, lack of killer balance (especially for Nurse) and soloQ vs SWF lack of balance. The maps is something i have been especially "vocal" about the last few days when running across half the map (or the entire side of one in some cases..) without seeing a single pallet or loop to use.

I have no proof, but one time I got Suffocation Pit /w all L + T's. Literally, every random structure was an L + T. It was in a custom match 1 v 1 /w a friend, the shock in their voice as I loop them through like 5 L + T's was absolutely priceless.

Fantastic video as always Otz, never knew Map RNG could be this impactful!

I've been to "80% of map is deadzone" so many times and raged about it... I never thought that maps are generated.. I thought that there were # of map layouts and we just get one of those randomly.. but it's actually RNGing all pallets and stuff :/ I'm even more disappointed in Bhvr now

Yesterday I had a match where Plague practically spawned in the same room as me and another survivor on RPD. The match was lost before it started.

Otz out here finding the maps that every Killer Main that spams "Genrushers" and "Survivor-sided Game", and Survivor Main that spams "Carried Killer" or "Killer-Sided Game" plays on.

I had a Game map once that had one hook on the entire bottom floor and it was tucked away in one of the corners where there was no generators or resources, so the survivor literally had no reason to ever be near that area. It was a terrible experience

I agree that some tile distributions were insane, but this study completely neglected the generator RNG. And tbh, generator RNG can be as bad as tile RNG. If the suffocation map had 5 generators on the main building side (it does exist on I-shape maps like suffocation pit or azarov, faced one recently btw), it would not have been on the worst RNG ever for killers, especially for territorial killers such as hag/trapper (or any killer with kick-gen build). I would have only considered 4-survivors KyF lobbies and real public games for this contest: bad or god-like RNGs should consider both tile/gate and generator RNG, imo. Despite these criticisms, a very interesting YT movie, and thank you to point out these extreme RNG issues.

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Thank you for always be so informative. This really shows that sometimes loosing as a good killer isn't always survivor sided, it's sometimes more map sided ...

once I saw a shack with its god window connected directed to a god window of jungle gym (Father Cambell chapel). That was so nasty I actually never came back to that location during the match.

I was on Lery's as killer and I downed three survivors at the exit, but literally couldn't hook any of them. There were no hooks, so they all escaped.

I think there should be a guaranteed amount of pallets and windows

I found this video really interesting! Otz should make another one like this but RNG specifically in the Killer’s favor. And another with RNG specifically in the Survivors favor. I’m sure the wonderful community would even it for free 😄

I had a coal tower the other day that didn't seem too crazy in terms of tiles, but there were like 4 gens all around the middle of the map, two scourge hooks placed perfectly between them - and the killer was a legion with surge and pain res. It was basically impossible for him to lose that game

I had a map on Gideon meat plant yesterday and there literally wasn’t a single hook on one of the entire sides of the map it was so ridiculous

I believe I've never got Eyrie of Crows or Garden of Joy with balanced setup. Every game on these maps as basic-attack killers was absolute nightmare for me (also, just one word - collisions). I like their's stile and colors, but holy those setups were disgusting.

I find it really interesting that all of these were on Macmillan maps which are generally considered the most balanced of the bunch

i love how otz makes these type of videos it feels very professional to play...❤️ love u man, keep up

despite all the good updates recently, it's still concerning that BHVR just can't seem to get maps right. Like Imagine being in a tournament and getting any of these maps lol. the tile money system they have really needs an update

Let's not forget that the biggest payouts in the markets don't come from great performances but rather it's great promotions. Stay invested, diversification for streams of incomes is very important.

Have to say this is teaching more about how i want to make my own map titles for my Asymmetrical game always a pleasure Otz.

I remember a match i had as Leather Face in Hawkins, where i spent the entire game just breaking pallets. I maybe went through 7 pallets on side with the basement in the lab, and about 5 or 6 more on the other side. And of course it was on a map known for the lack of good pallet spawns

I think they should shutdown map RNG. When Dbd was released it was necessary to make the game feels fresh because we didnt have a lot of maps or killers back then. But now we have a lot of variety and we dont need the map RNG anymore. Or at least make 3 map variations which need to be approved by the devs

I don't wanna be that guy but wouldn't if the examples are showing really bad RNG then it would be the BEST *examples.* I think what you mean is the worst *cases* of RNG.

I recall once I encountered a suffocation pit that had a total of 7 pallets in it, including the ones that *had* to spawn.

Absolutely loved the new video style, keep it up!

"there is no bad map, only skill issues" oogway

I pray to rngsus himself to not get into a match with a bully swf

It never ceases to amaze me how Otz comes up with these juicy video ideas. Great stuff!

You know what would be so cool and kinda fun to mess with. A map editor feature in dbd so you could recreate these maps and try to win on them or just see if you could make the worst possible map that the game could in theory make.

Either they need to remove rng like this, or admit that dbd is a casual party game and not an esport, no matter how much they want it to be one.

Thank you Otz for bringing attention to this with your platform. Hopefully the devs actually do something about this soon.

I think Scott Junds suggestions towards tiles being rated by strength and lowering the chance of strong tiles spawning next each other would be the best solution

I'll never forget my Myers game in Gideon Meat Plant. The survivor I was following was dropping one pallet after another through those straight corridors where I had absolutely no counterplay to make. Needless to say, they all got out.

Great video. I thought I was going crazy once when I ran into a complete dead zone on a red forest map once. I didn't know it was this bad at times.

Song is Superliminal Lofi. Great taste Mr. Otz!

i remember one cold wind... that i felt bad for the survivors. most of the tiles were those weird hay bail ones with no pallets. the pallets they did have were on quad lanes but the weak set up, with nothing interconnected. and one combine. no hills.

Another excellent video as always and excellent choice in video game music. Thank you for the 10/10 content!

the weirdest thing i saw with them map gen was what i called a "surface basement", where 4 hooks spawned right next to one another and on a farm, which left me with only 3 other hooks to work with

I've had so many wretched shops where the area behind main building spawns with basically no loopable tiles and yet has multiple gens. Basically a free win for any killer who decides to patrol that area and hold the 3 gen. I'm not sure what it is about that map that makes massive dead zones happen so commonly but I hate it. The main building isn't even that strong :(

My worst map rng i think was on Ormond, having the shack perfectly placed in a corner of the map, away from both of the exit gates, and there was a jungle gym window right at the outside of the shack window. In the exit that didn't lead to the corner of the map, there was an unsafe pallet, another safezone. And just to top it all up, the survivor i was facing had resillience, spine chill, adrenaline and dead hard. This was before the perk remaster btw. Such an amazing match i had. And even with that, i still got a 3k, mostly focusing to kill her, but she was the only one that got out through the gate.

POV: It's 10pm and you just want to have a fun game before logging off

Great information OTZ! Can’t wait to use this knowledge against the 10 nurses I play everyday 😃👍🏼

That Coaltower looks like most of my coaltowers, I stopped believing its the pertect map years ago, its not the chainability of that map is so disgusting that most killers can´t do shit on it, when the tiles spawn like that.

I had a Suffo Pit where there like 7-9 windows plus pallets in the middle. Also, if you plan on doing more of these contests in the future I think it would be fair to have Custom Games not count towards the prize, seems a little unfair :)

Worst map generation for me was a while ago, but it was a bugged Sheltered Woods that didn't spawn with any pallets except for the shack. So you essentially had to play one massive deadzone with 2 T L walls, 2 jungle gyms, 1 shack and its 1 pallet, and the rocks. We didn't escape.

My most survivor sided map was old rancor with the god window, both cowtree windows linking into Long Walls and T L walls. There were 10 filler pallets, and shack linked into a pallet which linked into another long wall jungle gym.

I’ve had a game where almost all the tiles in Shelter woods was a LT wall, but the vod was so long ago I couldn’t retrieve it.

I had a match with Spirit awhile back on Suffo pit. I didn't know there was any challenge, but there were I think 3 Jungle Gyms all centralized in the middle accompanied by 2 4 walls that lead directly the the mines, which also had the filler loops around it and the stronger window spawning. I only managed to get a 1k after an Ace made the most questionable (staying by the hook during endgame across the map from the gate and also not unlocking the gate he was next to) play, which just goes to show that even stupid survivors can loop the Killer forever if they get a strong setup.

One time I was playing as legion on suffocation pit, the main building had a vault that also had a giant boulder that broke line of sight long enough to break chase. So the vault was safe to loop for all time. Everyone I chased ran to that vault (it was a swf).

I'm surprised the new RCPD maps didn't make the cut even as an honorable mention. There are so many god pallets in the map, plus adding the outside not only make it more difficult but larger as well. I'm glad you did mention Midwich though. There was one time I played that map and it only had 2 hooks inside downstairs hallway, 1 in the corner room by the office, and then 2 hooks in the outside center area literally next to each other. The ones upstairs were alright. Then the gens... one room had 2 gens in it, 2 gens were in main hallway in the corners, one by the god pallet by the stairs, one outside by the bush jungle gym, and one in that room by the lockers with the hole in the ground. Pallets were in each room except the one in the hallway by the stairs and generator. I wish I had recorded it because it was bad. As for thr 3 you mentioned, I actually see those set ups more often than not. I hope the devs fix their map rng and just stop with the constant need for god pallets especially in RCPD.

That horrible 2 window tile has become a plague to every macmillan map ive played on, i believe i had 4 or 5 of them on one map as well, and that "trash pile" tile (the ormond one) is all i get otherwise. I miss short wall gyms man

The worst RNG I've ever seen was while playing Billy on Badham IV, the bush filler pallet tile between the shack and two story house had three pallets in the same tile. Right next to eachother.

The only bad map RNGs I've had were similar to the mention of Midwich of 3 hooks. It was 4 in my case (in a Silver II ranked game), and survivors would choose to be downed in a corner where there were none. Another was Coal Tower that was bad for survivors against my (very noobish) Hag. There were noticeable dead zones by the Coal Tower with no pallets.

Extremely surprised shelter Woods wasn't on here. Sometimes pallets just don't spawn anywhere near the middle so survivors can't ever go there.

I was losing my mind yesterday when I ran half of the map bottom right and never saw a pallet for miles.

Yesterday i play on groaning storage and in 1 of the exit of main (the one without window) there was 4 fillers pallets back to back between shack-main- solo structure. It was so sick

I remember being on a Gideon’s as Huntress where the jungle gym pallet didn’t spawn and there was a hook in pretty much every room, going as far as having two in opposite sides of the same room, looking at each other, I think it was the room with the staircase in the center and the pallet to the right of it.

When I started playing DBD I had the 5 parts in the middle of Suffocation pit being TL walls connecting directly into eachother, I am sure that cannot exist anymore

i feel like Otz is a real estate agent introducing survivors to their new home

Otz using the Superliminal Soundtrack is almost surreal to me.

Noone: Otz: Look at the worst maps possible in DbD Me, a myers main: "these all seem familiar.."

My worst map generation moment is on father Campbell's chapel where nearly all the windows spawned on the bottom floor making it near impossible to get anyone who went there as pig

I swear that whenever I get Coal Tower that's mostly the layout I get playing both sides. I always felt it was a survivor sided map because it's jam-packed with loops. Only once I think I got a dead zone adjacent to the Shack.

damn I can swear I once saw last coal tower generation an a dream, especially the main building and exit gates positioned like this

I've had some insane rng examples that the 2nd place result reminded me of: Once I had an ARP that mostly wasn't so bad, however the main building side literally had 0 pallets, or anything that could break LOS. All it had was main building, a T&L, a tire pile, and that was it. There was also an insanely strong 4 Gen, on top of mid Gen. This was also against a Nurse who knew what they were doing, so just an impossible game to win, when there's literally no way we can do the last 2 Gens. Another variation I had of ARP was actually in a comp match against a Huntress with a similar situation where shack side was almost completely empty. I got hit once, and I was forced to just run towards a rock and go edge map, because there was literally nothing there to loop. I didn't get to see all of main building side, but there was also a massive deadzone between the choke point and main, with only a T&L which is just death against Huntress, and the bus had the worst rng. There was possibly 1 filler pallet on that side, but it was also mostly empty. Shack side had Shack, a filler next to it, the old garbage truck loop, and the only jungle gym on the map all by itself. Honestly survivable RNG, but impossible to do anything against a Huntress. A final example I had, also came during an MMR test which just exacerbated the lack of resources. I got a Shelter Woods with 1 window on the map. There were 5 Pallet Gyms, 5 filler rock pallets (most of which were super isolated away from Gens), and Shack. Everyone was super new, so within 5 minutes nearly every Pallet Gyms was used, and at least 2 of the rock loop pallets. I had multiple chases where I did laps around the map and there was literally nothing I could use. I had never wanted a T&L more in my life. Only when I was out of chase did I notice the rock pallets in the absolute corners of the map. I've occasionally seen RNG as bad as in this video, for some reason during 1v1s (customs) I've noticed I got the worst RNG whether it be a variation of Storehouse that's literally empty, or a variation of Coal tower that's empty, or it's a variation of Storehouse with double pallets and 5 jungle gyms (all real, last one was a year or 2 ago tho).

The Legion: I missed the part where that's my problem

I had a Macmillan, suffocation pit, where the shack side, next to the pile of logs, had a tree deadzone. And the other side of shack had a hill. That was it. There was NO pallets on the shack side.

I dont even play DBD! But watching Otzdarva and listening to your voice is soo soothing, and I love how you take time to explain why [something] is [broken OP/too weak] to the point that even I who don't play dbd can understand well!

I remember I had a match on The Game against a Dredge and there were absolutely no lockers on the top floor which really hindered him.