Does the shirt have your durability?

@@Priapos93 You could argue it has more, as the shirt can be hit with a baseball bat and remain undamaged! Also, the shirt does not cry when someone hurts its feelings, and it is therefore stronger than us all

@@ArmchairViolence you disgust me. Making money off of bad advice. I’d love to see you get humbled. You don’t compete do you?

150% valid points cause i've been wondering the same thing for a very long time , i've always hated pad work , i prefer to train on those heave bags and sparing with others and have them drill moves to improve .

Still not the concept

lmao

Man has given reason why i have started hating my gym rn

Hey coach, I always hit pads at full power. Have I been a dick head this whole time?

@@BiggityBoggity8095it probably depends on your partner, I used to hit pads super hard but then I got with a newbie and he kept saying "you don't have to hit so hard" I felt bad.

Tony Jeffires has a video called The Pros and Cons of MITT WORK in Boxing | Pad Work Tutorial. It explains padwork correctly, and how many use it incorrectly. Meanwhile, nice to see RamseyDewey here, one of my favorite youtubers!

Oh hey coach

As the wise Master Ken revealed: a person who has an easier time striking at the groin has a immediate advantage.

I tried out a boxing class and had a pad holder who doesn't hold the pads up at all and expects you to just throw the punches at the air while he smacks the punches as hard as if he's the one throwing punches. Absolutely awful

You forgot the human tree of a pad holder who holds them at the height of a normal person's head when you're trying to do a body-kick.

Finally someone who gets it

That’s the biggest problem. Holding pads is a skill itself.

YES! A bag that moves around forcing you to work on your footwork, a bag that can throw some shots at you forcing you to work on defense, etc. Assuming the pad holder actually knows what they are doing. I think in a lot of mma gyms the padholder is most likely just as untrained as whoever is hitting the pads, instead of having the coach or someone trained in holding pads who can control what is going on.

Some weekends *I* feel like a sentient bag

@@athenry thank you! Exactly! Getting used to strikes coming at you fast and hard, movement, intuition with different pad holders/strikers. The only reason pad holding doesn’t work is cause armchair over here doesn’t reach his people to hold properly. I can’t stand seeing this many people falling for this idiots bs

@@athenry pad holding is a skill in itself and most people aren’t good enough to get the most out of it. Most just hold the pads up and let the striker execute the combination. They don’t actively challenge the striker but taking angles and making them adjust properly, moving in and forcing the striker to back up while striking to keep space to not smother themselves or moving away and making the striker learn to move their feet forward while striking to pressure a retreating opponent. Or even just throwing out their own strikes to keep the striker defensively responsible. All this stuff should be incorporated into pad work to keep it realistic as possible but often it isn’t so it creates a false sense of security to some extent

@@athenry Yes! I found pad holding more challenging than actually hitting them correctly.

Ofcourse it was 😂

Bro released it just the day after April fools so nobody would think he's joking 😂

​@@shinobix4925I normally release on Tuesdays, and did in fact double-check to make sure it wasn't April 1st before releasing 😂

@@ArmchairViolenceso you’re serious? Wow

This is how I was trained to use pads, but sometimes things go bad depending on who your partner is...

It was amazing, I'm still laughing Poor lady

So funny!

That’s his poor girlfriend. I can’t believe she still puts up with him 😂

Who could be mad at that shit-eating grin 😂

Hell yeah brotha. You get it. And working intuition and reading body language. Foot movement and forcing striker to defend. Besides you can’t work a heavy bag around the ring lol

Bro science

Is it a good defense practice method? Because YOU decide which strikes your partner does by holding the pads a certain way. If you hold the pads up straight, partner will do a jab-cross. If you hold one of the pads horizontally, partner will do a hook. And just like the video says, your partner has to wait until you have the pads positioned and are ready before they do the strikes. This is not how real striking is going to be

@@combatsportsnerd51 what are you talking about, every high level fighter in the world practices to defend strikes that they know are coming at them, there are countless drills that center around that

@@Better_MMA You're not really practicing how to defend against strikes as a pad holder. As a pad holder, you hold pads a certain way, then your training partner hits them. Drills that center around defending strikes (that you know are coming at you) is not the same as being a pad holder. During these drills, the strikes are aimed at hitting you (head, body, etc). While holding pads, strikes are aimed at the pads. While being a pad holder, the thing that you're doing (holding the pads out) is not really the same as what you should be doing when defending against strikes in a fight.

Yeah and Gabriel’s got a lot of belts. I don’t see any belts hanging on this guys wall, let’s be real. These theories sound good, but are not tested. I agree that partner Dutch drills are good, but they don’t develop that brutal power you can get from pad work. In Thai boxing, we’re looking to change the fight with 1-2 damage inflicting strikes. I think good pad rounds with a partner hitting back and moving like a fight is as good a training you can get, and you can hit with 100% force. You can’t do that with Dutch drills and shouldn’t in sparring.

@@np494609 does armchair have any fights at all? I have never seen him training hard

Argumentum ad hominem fallacy.

If you would have said biometrics a third time this would be legit 👅

Well, it’s an incorrect opinion so

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're describing the cardio workout aspect that he conceded to

@@OnwardUnknowing omfg no You get cardio, yes, while learning angling and intuitive back and forth with your partner. There’s so many ppl here that have obviously never fought with such big opinions. This coming from a boxer and Thai Boxer. I’ve put in countless hours of work. Mitt work, pad drills, bag work, sparring, and other partner drills all come together. It’s naive and childish to say one is better than the other. It depends on what you’re working on ffs You gonna go to Thailand and tell Superbon and Trainer Gae that pad work is useless? Fuckin please

@@tyrusmfrechs7025 Honestly, great response. You’re right. Though I have fought and won my fights (only two so far), I kind of thought maybe the video had a point about cardio because our gym, which does lots of padwork, is known for being very cardio heavy, and it wins us fights. I was thinking of some other local gyms who don’t use pad work but still win some fights and thought the video must have some points. But you’re 100% right about the angling stuff and back and forth. Also talked to my Kru some about it and he mentioned that people who only do Dutch drills often end up hurting their forearms. Yeah, I wouldn’t want to go without padwork. I also think it helps practice putting combos together, with force. A bag can’t move back when you move forward on a double jab or 1-2. My first comment was dumb. My b.

Mitts for pad work didn't exist before the 1970s, so it can't be CRAZY important...

@@SuddenRushman mitts and pads are not the same thing

Just train defense during partner drills.

@@looFA_4 Doesn’t carry the same intensity as I make sure to have the pad as close to my face as possible and far enough to force my partner to fully extend their shots. I just tell them hit me with whatever and I’ll catch it. My partner gets a good workout where they get to hit a moving human shaped target with full power and intensity thus getting a great workout and I get to train reaction time, defense, and reduce flinch. Let me tell you 3 months of that kind of padwork got rid of my flinch response. Also any good pad holder will hit back to make sure the partner is keeping defense in check. Hell this video is essentially what NOT to do with padwork as most padwork holders have no clue how to use it. Look up some great pad holders like Bryan Popejoy for an example

Well shit, I had a response typed out that I accidently deleted but the gist of it was that I agree the problem lies with pad holders and not so much the pads. I personally prefer shelling up to work on defense and if I get hit that's on me, although I understand not everyone's okay with that. When we did pad work at my gym, you weren't given that much freedom it was more set combos and at that point I'd rather be doing partner drilling. I'm glad you've found a way to maximize pad work for yourself and your partners, but at the end of the day I'd rather use my body as a tool for my partners to learn. I also just don't like holding pads, maybe when I'm older I'll prefer holding pads over getting hit but for now that's not the case. So, at the end of the day it comes down to whatever works best for you or whatever you do to make what you've got work.

@@looFA_4 I agree though I will say I’m a heavyweight albeit a smaller one (6ft 1in at 227 pounds) so shelling up against the monsters at my gym, for example one guy is 6ft 8in and walks around 292 pounds but he’s trying to lose some bodyfat. I can’t shell up because you can get hurt through the guard and before MMA and kickboxing I spent 16 years in Boxing as an ameteur and sparring partner for high level guys hell I was in Nonito Donaire’s camp because my dad was buddies with his head trainer at the time jonathan penalosa. Unlike MMA boxing heavyweight is an infinite weightlclass meaning there’s no limit. For example recently for the WBA title champion Zheilei Zhang weighed in at 291 pounds against his opponent Joseph Parker who weighed in 247 pounds. Long winded description to say shelling up is good but once you spar or fight someone with natural born power or someone really good at breaking through guards start adding more to the shell. My coach always says if you want to be a shell grow some spikes like an urchin. Gotta get good at countering when the opportunity arises

Shelling up and not moving is a bad defensive habbit to get into, kickboxing in the pocket maybe if ur like Zambidis but youll have knees to deal with, muay thai and elbows you will get sliced to pieces. I see it a lot its a bad habbit to let students form. Shell and move or counter cool, shell and stand there shelled for ages and practice that forming a habbit..not good

@@fiestastboost5788 You can still practice head movement in Dutch style drills, even with a higher guard.

I agree with you and disagree of most the video message and I trust Varga more.

@@Buri8128 Being that it's gabriel, a pro, the distancing issue wouldn't be the same as it would be for a non-pro. I'm curious what he would say as well!

Varga probably has competent training partners and coaches and instructs good pad holding. A lot of people are terrible at it.

@@lihchong2267 Agree that there are terrible pad holders. But that is also true for light sparring or drill partners. I can agree on the video message that if you do not know how to punch or kick. Just hitting pads wrong will not improve the skill. But I think it is better and more fun hitting hard on pads with a good partner then a heavy bag.

@@Buri8128 agreed. A good pad holder will provide excellent impetus to work harder than solo drills on a heavy bag. Jake addresses this in the cardio argument.

What you need are partner drills, starting light and then over time getting more "intense". You'll learn to modify your flinch response from "close eyes, look away" to "slip, weave, catch, parry, block" etc. The sparring should come AFTER you have lots of reps actually executing defensive moves against incoming punches. As for teeps and low round kicks, you should start training side kicks and front snapping kicks. I know I know, not very Muay Thai-ish, but they work and help you be more aggressive with your kicks to close in and pummel with fists/elbows and then clinch/takedown.

@@athenry my gym does modified partner drills. They dont actually jab me on the face though, but we parry the jabs and straights. But for hooks we use the “helmet/telephone” block. I have zero flinch there, even when practicing slips and weaves. Imo it doesnt translate to sparring where they’re actually trying to hit you in the face. Just like armchair said, in these drills where you parry, the jab doesnt even get close to me because i will reach out to parry it.

@@Silokkes there are drills you can do for desensitising yourself to flinching, one where you have your back to the wall and someone else lightly taps your on the forehead for example is good for beginners also do you not use a high guard? as a beginner getting confortable with using a high guard and getting hit with it will help a lot with your confidence in sparring and being able to engage with people properly

@@Silokkes You should not reach out to parry a jab. That's a really good way to get faked by a jab feint and get hit with a left hook. Keep the parry nice and tight and use more body rotation instead of swatting your hand across. Nothing "directly translates" to sparring except sparring, to be honest. Beginners ARE flinching, being too stiff, too tense, not breathing correctly, gassing out, etc. You have all these techniques and big plans and soon as the bell rings it all flies out the window and you're like"doh! What do I do?" That's normal. Over time, you get used to what's going on, you become more comfortable, and thus more relaxed and more fluid, you think more about what's actually happening and what your choices are, etc. In other words, you get better. But that assumes the sparring is proper for your training level. It should be a LOT of light, technical, and most importantly FUN sparring. You should spar people who are better than you, bigger than you, smaller than you, less experienced and less trained than you, etc. People below your ability/age/size will give you opportunity to try things out and spar without being too stressed. People better and bigger than you will enable you to learn to operate under pressure. But if every spar is a hardcore bloodsport kumite deathmatch you are only going to dread it and flinch and activate every instinctive avoidance mechanism you have - and rightly so! Flinching is instinctive, and even pros do it sometimes. It's just a matter of retraining your defensive instincts to be able to "flinch" in a more effective and defensively responsible manner. And that comes with repetition repetition repetition and exposure to sparring as something FUN which encourages and enables learning and progression. Nothing wrong with telling a sparring partner "Hey, can we go a bit easier?" Hard sparring is necessary EVERY NOW AND THEN if you plan on competing, but only EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

@@athenry thanks for the parry tips! But yeah i agree im thinking i should find another gym where they take the sparring more fun. Im like 3 classes in and taking painful shots, which i dont think should be happening right now probably.

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No they don't. Dude, stop lying. Women's MMA are shirtless. Else how you gonna sell tickets? Ever seen their weigh ins?

See, everyone is getting confused and thinking that selling images of shirtless people counts, but we're talking about you as a fan wearing the LACK of a jersey. I would have to find a way to sell you your own shirtlessness. I'd have to sell the CONCEPT of shirtlessness! That's way harder.

@@ArmchairViolence we weren't confused, just sad that women's mma isn't shirtless

It's a nice gym

Well, even if we assume the ultimate greater pad holder, the range problem remains. They ALWAYS hold the pads shorter and off centre of their own faces. And, about giving those great live coachings, the "pad man" can easily see everything you're doing if he simply look at you fighting in partner drill as well. In fact, I'm pretty sure he can see it even better, since he has only to look, and not to worry about the pad holding part.

That’s assuming that the average person learning to fight has access to high level pass holders.

@@luizfabrette7450 that's only going to build a bad habit if that's the only training you do. A good training program will have days where you're on the bag, days where you're doing partner drills, days where you're sparring and days where you're doing pad work. All of them together plug holes that any one of them would have on their own. But not doing pad work leaves an extremely valuable tool on the table. People make way too much of the pads being short or off center. In a fight, your opponent could be shorter, taller, fatter, thinner, defensive or mobile and you have to adjust to their dimensions on the fly. I've never not hit an opponent in the face just because they're taller and more centered than my pad man lol.

@@hoop6988 a good Muay Thai program will usually have the coach and sometimes a senior student rotate a round or two of pad time with each student.

@@channel-nv9xc well know that’s even worse because I’ve been to some gums where the coach and top students suck at holding pads.

But his content isn't primarily targeted at world class strikers. It's mostly for hobbyists and the fact that you will struggle to find a good pad holder in your average gym is a valid concern. I do think he exaggerates this and overlooks a lot of the advantages of pads but there are reasonable criticisms here as well.

​@@WhenYouveGoneGuruIndeed, fair point

Bullshit. I bet you’ve never fought though, have you? What light TKD or something cute?

You did well quitting that gym. You can buy a heavy bag and learn way more by yourself watching youtube, which is sad..

@@user-ki4xw2rb8q Not true at all

My gym is the same, i will confront my father and the coach about it and if no changes are made i will leave.

@@mannam9468combat sport gym owners have to realize that their students are keeping them in business and not the staff. Fighters don’t know how much they sick at running a gym.

@@mannam9468 ive joined a different boxing gym (no other muay thais in my area) and its GREAT, never realised how much more motivated i am with zero padwork. Would recommend you switch if you can, coaches find it difficult to change their practices but all the best regardless bro

Yeah we have "dutch pads" which is partner drilling for my gym

The guy is clearly saying this for content! HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT! CAREFUL WHO YOU TAKE ADVICE FROM!!

Keyboards warriors angry at video lmao

Chi sao? ...lol bull shido alert 🤡

@@jstar6543 You guys criticizing him are the ones who don't know what you're talking about. All his points are correct and he's not even the first person talking about this, many others have done it before. There's a reason why old school boxers never used pads, which only became so prevalent relatively recently.

@@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods and the skill level between new age and old school boxers can't even be compared. New age boxers are miles ahead of old school boxers. Pad work can be beneficial but it has to be done correctly.

Fight COACHES over complicate training because teaching novelty techniques makes them look impressive to people who don't actually want to fight

Agreed! It's a legitimate tool, but it's not the one-size-fits-all tool that I often see it used as.

Pad holding as a "learn defense" method is probably one of the worst ideas. You don't learn defense while pad holding, You develop the habit of trying to catch your opponent's punches and when you go sparring, they start feinting and you end up with your hands catching nothing in the air and your chin exposed.

@@luizfabrette7450another thing about pad work is that it teaches the wrong type of parrying. I’ve seen some guys try to parry uppercuts when they’re already out of range or some guys try to catch crosses with their rear hand.

@@luizfabrette7450 You might be overlooking the part where I say your opponent should be punching at your head. If they aren't punching at your head, you don't need to put the pad in the way. Just like if your opponent isn't punching at you, you don't need to parry a punch.

​@@ZovcDrafts you are correct about defending only when the punches are actually directed towards you. But even taking your point into account, what I said is the habit of trying to catch your opponent's punches (even if only the ones who are aimed "at your head") and when you go sparring, they start feinting and you end up with your hands catching nothing in the air and your chin exposed.

@@luizfabrette7450 this hasn't been my experience, but it seems like you really know what you're talking about.

Any chance you can remember the name of the podcast?

@@TreyYork1 it was a long form podcast on the Ramsy Dewey's channel. Gimme a sec I'll try to find a link.

​@@TreyYork1 it looks like youtube started censoring the links to it's own video o.O I just tried to share a link but my comment got deleted. So I hope this works. The title is: "Armchair Violence (on the Ramsey Dewey podcast #47)"

Thanks!

Plenty try. I've been to many classes where all striking was done on pads - no drills, no heavy bag, no sparring. A lot of this is in the fitness space, but plenty of kickboxing classes operate this way too.

​@@lihchong2267 U can learn if the padholder is a competent coach.

@ZeroBudgetDude You need something else though to learn how to punch and kick fast and hard. Either pads or bag.

Same bs with skipping rope, somehow people consider it a must to be a good fighter, especially in boxing

It's actually a better cardio workout than jogging. If I remember correctly, according to Bruce Lee, 10 minutes of rope work is equivalent to 30 minutes of roadwork.

@@user-ki4xw2rb8q It is good because you train your feet and ankles. At some point there are diminishing returns but if you can't skip for like 10 minutes you are weak.

@@user-ki4xw2rb8qokay but it literally trains your footwork and helps to keep yourself light on your feet.

@@johnlloyddy7016 10 minutes of rope equivalent to 30min of running? Equivalent in what sense? That's total bs, if you wanna make running harder, just run faster, run a mile in under 5 min, and you will see how that's harder than 10min of rope

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I will say I've noticed too. I kinda have to retrain my brain for a second everytime I start sparring because my first few punches always float a little bit away from their face until I recalibrate