BFM Lesson #7 Rolling Scissors

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The Air Combat Tutorial Library

6 жыл бұрын

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This lesson teaches you how to initiate a Rolling Scissors to switch from being defensive to offensive as well as how to disengage from one if you are losing.
Comments and feedback are always welcome, so if this video helped you out hit the like button and let me know in the comments below. Cheers!

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@joeywall4657
@joeywall4657 5 жыл бұрын
This it's very easy to understand for people who are not well versed on air combat terminology. Thank you for explaining this to us :-)
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
No worries Joey! That's always the goal with all my videos :-)
@kennyj4366
@kennyj4366 4 жыл бұрын
I love your content, reminds me of my flight training some fourty plus years ago lol, except your a lot calmer then my first basic IP lol. Keep up the good work.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Kenny, my students always appreciated my calm demeanor whether I was teaching or examining them :-)
@TheRaptorXX
@TheRaptorXX 6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, true to form!! Invaluable tips and very well delivered. I'd give it 10/10!!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Sweet, I win the Raptor award! :-)
@chuffer3d564
@chuffer3d564 6 жыл бұрын
This one is pretty tricky, its going to take me a few watches and countless attempts to get this one down. Thanks for the superb demonstration Requiem. ✈ 👍
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
It can be a difficult maneuver to visualise when flying it in a simulator because of your restricted field of view compared to being in a real plane, so ideally you should try and maintain some reference (something in cockpit or on the canopy) other than the bandit to keep yourself oriented correctly
@TheJUANFAC
@TheJUANFAC 6 жыл бұрын
Another great lesson by one of the best air combat tutors! Keep up the great work mate!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mastercake! I'm definitely going to keep chugging along :-)
@slehar
@slehar 4 жыл бұрын
"Lift vector", "Your 3/9 line", Wow! I've known some of this stuff for years, but didn't know how to say them. This is awesome! Thank you! Your explanations (and graphics!) are incredible!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I work with an ex fighter pilot to make these so if they are good enough for him I know they're fine :-)
@alpenjon
@alpenjon 3 жыл бұрын
Pure gold. Love everything about these vids - thank you!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Alpen!
@laryjr1830
@laryjr1830 2 жыл бұрын
Really love flying the I-185 (M-82) in WT. Usually pretty good and understand how to use the B&Z in it. However, whenever an aircraft like a BF-109F or G takes a disliking to me I'm outclassed in climb and turning. Climbing is my primary way of disengaging as the I-185 has some pretty incredible climb performance. However, since I'm outclassed in this as a BF-109 can easily catch my climb and since I can't win a turn fight I had to look for defensive maneuvers to get a 109 off my tail. Came across this video and it really helped me understand how to escape a potential death sentence.
@ChristopherFehrenbacher
@ChristopherFehrenbacher 3 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to your videos. They really are the best BFM and dogfight skills tutorials that I can find.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris, I've been told they're something that you can get something out of when revisiting them because while a concept may not make complete sense at the time, once you get some experience and come back to watch them again you can see things through a different lens that helps improve your understanding more.
@ChristopherFehrenbacher
@ChristopherFehrenbacher 3 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL This is the key. After hours and hours of going up against guys much better than me, I can see them putting things into practice that I see in your videos. By viewing these videos from a defensive perspective and applying some of the skills a bit at a time I have been able to move into a more offensive mindset and string together whatever bits apply. I play on the Air Attack Tactical Combat servers and those guys are incredibly helpful and supportive.
@CZ350tuner
@CZ350tuner 5 жыл бұрын
I prefer the classic vertical rolling scissors especially if I'm flying the Tempest V, P-38, P-47 or Bf-110. I take the fight vertical, cut the throttle and barrel roll. The opponent expects me to be still be on climb power. They inevitably realise too late and cut their throttle ending up over shooting and sometimes starting to stall. I then hit the throttle full open (on a Tempest V the plane will start to accelerate into a climb), use the prop blast over the tail surfaces to gain aiming control of the plan and blast them. Works best in fighters that are heavier than their opponents. In Birds of Steel, many years ago, I took out 2 x players in Zeroes whilst flying a F2A-3 Buffalo who followed me into a vertical climb after I'd dived in and bounced their element lead. I'd dove with a closed throttle, tucked into the middle of their tight Vic (never fly a Vic in a combat zone!!) , blasted the leader and immediately pulled up vertical, still with a closed throttle, and started a vertical barrel roll. They both followed me up at full throttle, then realised I was slowing down fast, cut their throttles and both ended up overshooting me very close. I didn't even need to aim, just hold the trigger down and let the 50 Cals to their thing. Then full throttle, rudder kicked hard right and dove back down to the deck to regains airspeed. Could have possibly performed the same trick in a F4F Wildcat but the terrible rear visibility blind spot would have made things tricky as I would have had to guess that they were both on my six. With IL-2 GB Bodenplatz coming up and the P-47 being in the game, perhaps you could do a video on the classic vertical rolling scissors trap manoeuvre.
@deadbeef576
@deadbeef576 4 жыл бұрын
wont you be a prime target if they actually used tactics to sandwich you in?
@jonhimself77
@jonhimself77 4 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic series, well done.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@greghvazda7048
@greghvazda7048 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! my flight instructor was one of Greg "Pappy" Boyington's Black sheep, and taught me one hell of a lot of ACM tactics I was damned lucky to have him as an instructor! Owning and flying a simple old Piper Cub, I don't expect to take it into combat, but if it happens, I'm trained and will give it my all.
@Eucsneto
@Eucsneto 6 жыл бұрын
Yesss... Expetacular lesson. Thanks very much. Great
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it Euclides!
@mskiUSMC
@mskiUSMC 4 жыл бұрын
Im loving these videos... subscribed.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard :-)
@k41kai24
@k41kai24 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, after watching it 2 times, I finally get it
@Brave_Sir_Robin
@Brave_Sir_Robin 2 жыл бұрын
Having trouble in Warthunder air rb, thanks for all the tips on this maneuver!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 2 жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@iainbradford4254
@iainbradford4254 5 жыл бұрын
Great visual explanations in all of your vids dude. They only way to understand this dynamic subject
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Iain, this program Tacview really is great as it helps give these visualisations to what you see as a picture in the BFM texts. These are taken from flights between the "cooperative bandit" and I so it works out nicely provided I choose a good example to show. Sometimes it takes a lot of attempts before I'm happy with the visual you see.
@iainbradford4254
@iainbradford4254 5 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL I appreciate it and looks like others do too. I watched jets BFM as a kid (A10s v A10s, Tornado v Tornado), and F15E v F15E (one time from my garden and one time from a one-man lifeboat in the North Sea during a practice drill), also F16 v F16 . It is always almost a 'race to base' against similar types. I've seen it from the airborne side too :-) You do a good job.
@DannyBooze1
@DannyBooze1 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid buddy
@Spectre407
@Spectre407 Жыл бұрын
Great work
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it, these were all made in conjunction with real fighter pilots involved in the process so they're all good enough for us mere mortals in sims :-)
@z0ro_62
@z0ro_62 5 жыл бұрын
Riminds me of some 4 v1 fights being in those situations was the worst
@estebantapia6804
@estebantapia6804 6 жыл бұрын
This maneuver I was talking about. but when you do with the same plane like 1 vs1 is hardest win... Some times that maneuver extend to be very low speed and altitude then depends your skills for don't lose control. Nice video like.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Well its a good thing you shouldn't have to face the same plane as a bandit then outside of artificial duels ;-) Good to know this is the maneuver you were referring to earlier though!
@Eucsneto
@Eucsneto 6 жыл бұрын
yes... we needed this lesson so much
@kethtemplar8989
@kethtemplar8989 2 жыл бұрын
WHERE HAS THIS CHANNEL BEEN?! I've been trying to explain these tactics to my friends but i suck at explaining things.. Nice work mate! Keep it up!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq analytics doesn't like my channel for whatever reason so it's usually word of mouth for how people hear about it lol
@dmh0667ify
@dmh0667ify 5 жыл бұрын
Now THAT (2:26) was a SCARY recovery......
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta keep things interesting sometimes right? :-)
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 2 ай бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL Mowing the grass
@JugheadJones03
@JugheadJones03 5 жыл бұрын
So glad you did 09 vs spit in 2nd portion. Try that exact fight on WW2Ol with equal pilot skill and the fm difference will blow your mind. ; )
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
Don't leave me hanging lol...what happens?
@JugheadJones03
@JugheadJones03 5 жыл бұрын
Oh no, you gota try it firsthand. :P
@comradeboris2335
@comradeboris2335 5 жыл бұрын
i guess you got a new mic. sounds very good and will make the tutorials even better. not that i thought they could get :D
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sander, yeah I got a "Blue Yeti" mic and it produces a really nice recording so I'm happy with it :-)
@theaceofspades485
@theaceofspades485 4 жыл бұрын
I need to learn all these. My current strategy is hope for the best.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes that strategy works! Haha
@AceofSpades96.
@AceofSpades96. 2 жыл бұрын
I played War Thunder last night and went against a P-51D while I flew the BF-109 G6. I was about to pull a boom ‘n zoom on a G2 variant of the 109 and noticed the P-51 that was about to cut me off. I banked right to throw off his shot, and ended up doing the rolling scissors maneuver for a minute flat. I was like, “Man, I got a feeling this guys gonna win.” Surely enough he got distracted by an FW 190 and I finished him.
@imbalos
@imbalos 6 жыл бұрын
love the new mic quality
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for noticing that Falos. It's a pretty subtle difference but I think the new mic is great for clarity and pop reduction. I'm really happy with it
@Worr
@Worr 5 жыл бұрын
How should the rudder be used in a rolling scissor?
@Seedyrom247
@Seedyrom247 3 жыл бұрын
I now see why people like the Red Baron had such a kill count. A skilled pilot who understands tactics and can apply as required would decimate a novice. My grand dad said how he went solo after 10 hours flying in WWII. They sure pumped them out.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 3 жыл бұрын
It's all a matter of being exposed to many situations over and over. Luckily we can respawn while in RL they never had that option
@Ima184mm
@Ima184mm 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not fully understand but I really like it Bacause my favorite planes are Fw190s
@heatherstarch830
@heatherstarch830 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for these comprehensible videos concerning dogfight tactics; my skill in aerial combat has greatly increased because of them! I have a couple questions: 1) what tactics do you recommend for P-51D Mustang v.s. KI-84 Hayate; and 2) is hit-and-run a good tactic for Bf-109 v.s. Spitfire? In my sim, the Spitfire is much more agile than the 109, so if I try to outmaneuver them, I end up stalling out; vertical maneuvers seem to be the only way to beat them. I appreciate the time you’ve put into these videos; thank you again!!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL Жыл бұрын
The Japanese prioritised turning ability for the most part so you want to treat it similiar to how you would fight a Spitfire in a 109. Use the vertical for energy management, but don't be afraid to expend some energy in turns if you can get a killing shot.
@heatherstarch830
@heatherstarch830 Жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL Thanks very much, I appreciate it!
@jakerthesnak
@jakerthesnak 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. What program do you use to create the illustrations of the two planes in combat with the colored trails?
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jaker, anyone can get the program. It's called Tacview. The animation you see is the actual demonstration you see me flying in the video as it uses the ingame track to create it
@MarcPorlier
@MarcPorlier 5 жыл бұрын
TacView is an awesome debrief tool.
@downunderfrown5700
@downunderfrown5700 2 жыл бұрын
At 3:36 does the enemy pilot black out from the Gs?
@dadnar7615
@dadnar7615 2 жыл бұрын
Do you cover the reversal criteria in another video by chance? If not , what is it exactly? Thank you!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 2 жыл бұрын
All my BFM videos build off each other. The reversal criteria is somewhere early on so maybe BFM 2 or 3
@SJ-lt5un
@SJ-lt5un 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great vids! Actually I also struggle to find any information about the reverse criteria in your predecessing videos, even tough I watched them more then once... could you maybe specify where to find it? Greetings from germany!
@flawleesvictoryapolok9589
@flawleesvictoryapolok9589 Жыл бұрын
Excuse my clumsiness! when i losing the advantage at what time and in what way i must build some separation to pitch back towards the bandit for a neutral pass?
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL Жыл бұрын
When they're highest and slowest
@flawleesvictoryapolok9589
@flawleesvictoryapolok9589 Жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL Thanks a lot man!
@barrymcdonald7404
@barrymcdonald7404 5 жыл бұрын
Hey bud, if you don’t mind me asking, what flight stick and pedals do you use and what are your axis curves set to? I’m new to IL-2 (only had it three days) and I can’t seem to dial in my axis curves. I’m using the HOTAS Warthog with Thrustmaster T-Flight pedals. The G6 & G14 have this nose bounce that I can’t seem to remedy. It’s also worth mentioning that I don’t have any kind of extension for that warthog. Any advice you could give me would be great, thanks.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
I use a pitch and yaw curve of 40% each and a 0% curve on the roll. Try that and see how you go. I don't have an extended stick either (I use a Logitech G940 joystick + throttle with MFG Crosswind rudder pedals). The 109s are naturally a bit more pitch sensitive so you need to be a bit more gentle and fly coordinated as much as possible otherwise it can punish you.
@MarcPorlier
@MarcPorlier 5 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL I just received my MFG this weekend. OMG! They are great!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarcPorlier That they are! The best investment you will make for flight simming :-) Enjoy them!
@MarcPorlier
@MarcPorlier 5 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL Now, waiting on VKB Gunfighter Pro!!
@Xtragicfever
@Xtragicfever 5 жыл бұрын
You should be doing a boom and zoom. The 109 is an energy fighter, where's at the Spit is not.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 5 жыл бұрын
Well...the video is about the rolling scissors and not boom and zooming :-)
@bernardthefourth
@bernardthefourth 3 жыл бұрын
I always dump major flaps on the servers and get slow if defensive, they don't seem to expect it. I then use the slower speed to try to take a cheap shot while they fly away or at least keep them in front of me.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 3 жыл бұрын
Using flaps can work but it is risky, if they don't take the bait then you're at a low speed and pretty vulnerable.
@bernardthefourth
@bernardthefourth 3 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemsACTL True it depends if they have position on you or not and you don't want to overdo it. I've also found that with the new G model you can't ride the edge of a grey out any longer so it helps with that also. Many times I've gotten into a scissors and watched them slam into the ground. I've found if you get to 160-170 imperial units the Spit pilot won't go to sleep no matter how hard you pull the stick.
@JKLV33
@JKLV33 4 жыл бұрын
Do you practice with the AI ​​or with a partner? the ia in '' ace '' doesn't work bad sometimes ... but I don't know ....
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 4 жыл бұрын
I practice with a partner, the only times I practice with AI is for testing or basic gunnery practice
@nathanielbailey108
@nathanielbailey108 2 жыл бұрын
“Place a lift vector on the bandit” “reverse criteria” somebody please explain.
@Dinnye01
@Dinnye01 5 жыл бұрын
"Wednesdays only BFM - Dos Gringos"
@mckseal
@mckseal 6 жыл бұрын
This maneuver is very underutilized by 109 pilots - it should be their mainstay for slow CQB as the huge power/weight advantage they have makes them gain huge advantages on the uphill legs. Because I see it so rarely, it's also one thing I struggle to defend against (when performed well). Any tips for exerting some control when you're on the bottom?
@Crainshaw83
@Crainshaw83 6 жыл бұрын
in the vid, at the bottem he goes for lag pursuit to get enought energy and climb back up again
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
As the bottom dont pull too much G. That's a mistake people make as they see the illusion of being more defensive and pull harder trying to compensate when they don't need to.
@Eucsneto
@Eucsneto 6 жыл бұрын
I use to pull hard at the bottom. I will not do that again
@mckseal
@mckseal 6 жыл бұрын
The only issue with that is that you still lose angles when you pull less. If in the weaker plane this just prolongs the rolling scissors until the enemy is truly on your 6 (now with even more energy disadv). If you pull hard you can trade this time off and get a shot on the enemy - but you'd better get hits. If you're already in a situation where pulling hard wouldn't get you guns on target then neither of these help.
@laurentdelalpe
@laurentdelalpe 4 жыл бұрын
A difficult situation is when the attacking bandit executes a high yo-yo as soon as he overshoots. As the defensive player also goes up after his initial defensive break, the two planes are almost on the same plane, sometimes almost face to face. The offensive player has sometimes a good opportunity to shoot if his overshoot was not too deep. I hope to express myself clearly. What to do in this particular situation that we sometimes encounter against 109s? Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version).
@el_gato8109
@el_gato8109 Жыл бұрын
What is a high yo-yo?
@chaouz
@chaouz 4 жыл бұрын
I’m the world’s best dogfighter on GTAV and I would say rolling scissors can be performed differently depends on the situation. Speed control and maneuver can cause you the elimination if it’s done correctly.
@thejhonnie
@thejhonnie 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched your videos. Reminds me a lot of combat in bf3, lots of turns and throttle management. I can assure you that although skillful, it's very arcade. You should try sims like this sometime, or realistic battles in war thunder. The concepts in this video are more applicable to those kinds of environments.
@venomsnakeYGBSM
@venomsnakeYGBSM 3 жыл бұрын
@@thejhonnie isnt war thunder kind of an arcade game
@thejhonnie
@thejhonnie 3 жыл бұрын
@@venomsnakeYGBSM if you play the arcade mode, yes. Realistic Battles and Sim mode have very realistic energy fighting and plane stats. Very fun!!
@venomsnakeYGBSM
@venomsnakeYGBSM 3 жыл бұрын
@@thejhonnie Thanks bro glad i didn't delete it will check it out 💪
@invincible9462
@invincible9462 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 cringe
@dadnar7615
@dadnar7615 3 жыл бұрын
My 7 year old wanted to know who the pilot in the second plane you were fighting was(where you disengaged)? He said: "Maybe it was Der Sheriff"(From Sheriff Sim Shack). I like your videos, he likes Der Sheriff's.
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rueben, you can tell your kid that the other guy is called "Busdriver" He used to fly the RF-4 and F-16 and he helps me out :-)
@Maxtherocketguy
@Maxtherocketguy Жыл бұрын
What flight sim it this
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL Жыл бұрын
Il-2 sturmovik
@NotDumbassable
@NotDumbassable 6 жыл бұрын
how do I avoid being shot down in a break turn?
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
Pull hard enough towards the bandit basically. If you start seeing his belly pull harder or go out of plane.
@NotDumbassable
@NotDumbassable 6 жыл бұрын
that´s basically what I´m doing, usually they´re still able to get me... Is there some sort of obvious mistake I´m making?
@FionnMcc
@FionnMcc 6 жыл бұрын
Jink out of plane, or when breaking don't break directly at them, aim slightly nose high or low. The only mistake you could be making is being predictable, if you are predictable you are dead!
@RequiemsACTL
@RequiemsACTL 6 жыл бұрын
NotDumbassable Sometimes you just get killed. You can do everything you can right but still die. Just keep doing the right thing and don’t give up in a fight. Luckily for us we have the restart button. As to anything specific you are doing or not doing I would need to see a track or video to give proper feedback
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