idk bb, honestly I feel like the celebrity aspect of the Image IDs is sooooo confusing, it's like "oh they are just examples, don't compare yourself" but, how can they be examples if they don't fit the physical description??? I can say that I have met Susan, David's TR muse, and she is VERY petite, so I really think TR is meant to be extra-petite (the combination of extreme yin size and the extra yang narrow frame). At the same time, as I say in my "kibbe and height" video, it's like... if you sense that your essence is the Femme Fatale Chic, and your interpretation of TR is what makes you feel alive and beautiful, then self-IDing as a TR is a celebration of yourself and a pathway into finding your style. The "danger" isn't in doing something "wrong", it's just in boxing yourself in and pushing yourself into a direction that doesn't help you shine and feel proud of who you physically are. My heart goes out to you and all of the other beautiful ladies confused about the TR!!! This is my most watched video in the Image ID series, even though I barely know any TR in real life, so it's obviously something special, confusing, and tricky about this ID.

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita Thank you for your answer and your kind words :)

Hope you don’t mind me offering my 2 cents. I thought I might be TR because I am curvy with a delicate bone structure. On the quiz I have majority D answers. But I’m tall (5’8”). I didn’t know “narrow” and “elongated” could count for the yang of soft dramatic. What I wasn’t realizing is that my vertical line is my dominant characteristic, the first thing people would notice about me. So I would say for someone 5’7” are you height dominant? Or do you appear more petite and delicate?

@@amk1689 Hmmm, though question. People always assume that I'm taller than I actually am, but overall my body - mostly from the waist to the top - is delicate.

@@iasmine_caroccia When people assume you are taller than you are, you must have a long vertical line. My view of the quiz (now) is that the 16 answers don’t have equal weight. Vertical line is at the top of the list, maybe, and then I suppose hair being at the bottom. My understanding is that petite-ness is a necessary quality of TR. And being delicate is a possible trait of SD, if there is elongation, and narrowness or sharpness.

Yeah, they are very similar, I discuss this in the SG video! I didn't mean that TR and SD are the most similar, but just addressing the "tall TR" idea.

That's my problem I don't know if I'm theatrical romantic, soft classic or maybe soft gamine

@@solstice1681 same! Torn between Theatrical Romantic and Soft Classic But what's great about Kibbe is that they're allllll amazing ☺💌

@@saraelrayes I know, I really love this system! I've been thinking about it a lot, and I think I must be theatrical romantic because I'm so short!☺️ Maybe that will help you.

@@solstice1681 Yes! It's great that height is a guide for this system

Wow found another reason for being a TR . Thanks even i have a big face comparing to my body and im a petite

I am singeling in on being TR and I have the exact same experience as you!

Yes exactly.

I'm similar, but fat lol 😅

Thank you! I am so glad you found it useful 💜 SD is definitely coming up!

@Benziar Fadel Taylor Swift is a Dramatic.

Yup, she seems more like a dramatic or a natural to me.

@Benziar Fadel Yeah TS is not a gamine.

Mila Kunis seems to be a soft gamine, Taylor Swift a classical type

​@MinkaSchlossberger4ever 💀learn more about the sistem,after you can come and say if you still firm in that idea.(don't get in a bad way)

OHMYGOD SAME! I'm always very confident ESPECIALLY if I'm nervous

Also Angela Kinsey from the Office is a TR I think

Can you please analyse and let me know what kibbe types Leighton Meester and Jaclyn Smith (Charlie's Angels) are? I have similar body type as them. They are sometimes typed as TR but also Soft classic and for jaclyn smith some even show her in Soft dramatic.. Which is very confusing. I'm 5'6 but people have told me I look smaller, around 5'4 and I feel that's kind of the case with these two ladies, they both look shorter than their real height, Jaclyn Smith is 5'7 and Leighton is 5'5

I love that you pointed that out!!! I'm so tempted to be annoying and ask what the other office ladies are.

Omggggggg same af, I got mostly D and Cs but two other Tests and D's dominated so I decided it's TR But same body as you describe yours

Yeah I have the same exact body you described too. I am 5'2 though which is small. My understanding is soft classic would be slightly larger.

If there is a "balanced and proportionate" look to you, you may be SC. Hourglass does not matter.

@@salehaanjum6325 Right, any ID can have an hourglass figure. Soft Classic is still soft.

@@rimsha8948 sameee I thought it was just me

Thank youuuu :) I got DC coming up next week!

omg same. romantic face and TR body :D

You are probably TR. TR has a really small amount of yang. The sharpness in your shoulders would be too much yang to make you a romantic, but just enough to make you TR

Very pretty make up in your profile picture. Do you have a tutorial?

Omfg me

@@ilinel1321 since this comment was eight months ago I know it was my last profile picture, for that look I actually followed the Lisa Eldridge Marilyn Monroe makeup tutorial! Sorry for the delay!

Yay 💗💗💗

I really support people analyzing celebrities if you find it interesting or helpful! personally I am more interested in understanding the Image IDs as DK describes them, I look nothing like any celebrity anyway so I dont get so much value out of scrutinizing (manipulated) pics of their bodies

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita but it's about the Image ID! Mila Kunis is for sure a theatrical romantic, I agree with you on that: In my perception it's obvious how, although she doesn't have much curves, she has rounded and delicate shapes, but Jada... She's so in the middle! Because sometimes she accentuates the waist it looks like she might be more yin than she is, but when she wears classic lines she looks even more put together, really!!! Oh, and by the way, I'm not trying to bother you about that, it's just an opinion in the end, but I really enjoyed the video as a whole!!!

@@leticiasantana4358 i totally understand, i just meant that to me, its clear that Jada is much smaller, daintier and narrower than the DC ladies, but I meant that if people disagree about it I just don't find it super helpful to focus too much on any one celebrity

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita yeah I agree with your assessment because of her extreme petite frame and she has those ornamental features her eyes kind of look like they are twinkling like earrings and she appears weightless so that's why I think TR. I think the lighter fabrics are more harmonious than the heavier fabrics for dramatic classic. To be honest I don't see her as necessarily hourglass because I think she gets her yang from her shape and facial bones and yin everywhere else (facial features and overall tiny frame)

Sounds like you're found an ID that describes you well!

You look very striking and fit the TR look from what I can see in your profile pic. 🔥 Beautiful.

@@deneedreams Thank you! I just turned 39 a few days ago so really needed that compliment lol.

@@Lilah_Ninigigun_Belet-Eanna 39?! You look great!

@@adb8003 ☺😊 That's so sweet, thank you!

Yeah I've heard that from a few TRs but I encourage you to wear what feels good for your body rather than trying to be the Femme Fatale

I think shes definitely at least soft gamine, but I think Kibbe typed her right. Look out her slim photos. Even when she did the short cut, it didn’t fit her like it would Halle Berry or Jada Pinkett Smith. Rihanna has a very soft face. and look at her older slimmer bikini photos: she was slim thick with a lot on the bottom

@@veronicahaney6005 no. It has nothing to do with weight, plus Kibbe typing is supposed to be for grown women atleast aged 25, that’s when they’re done developing, it’s not for teens, so looking at old pictures of Rihanna when she was a skinny teenager isn’t the way to go about it. She is a tall woman with a voluptuous figure, even from her prominent facial bone structure you can tell that she’s a taller woman, so either SD or FN, literally opposite of SG. It has nothing to do with having ‘cute’ or ‘soft’ facial features (or whatever it is), which any type can have. Miranda Kerr, for eg., is a flamboyant natural and she has a ‘soft’ ‘babyface’.

Kibbe has talked about this in his book

@@ilinel1321 I've read the resistance chapter online.

@@silverroxen2954 where do you read it for free if you dont mind me asking?

Pls read the comments here or watch my video on kibbe and height if confused! A slightly tall TR is often an SD but if you wanna just dress femme fatale chic nobody will stop you 💗

Judging by your love of cartoons it was your eleventh birthday

@@Black.Sabbath i mean judging by myself it was my 15th but ok lol

I felt this

I can't identify what type am I

C and D would probably be soft classic :)

@@a_little_green thank you!!

Hm... Well I agree she has some sharpness/muscularity in her shoulders, but I think that's the "yang" element. If you compare her to SN celebrities like Scarlett Johansson I think Jada has a more narrow/petite look, to me. But yeah, I think generally the contemporary TRs seem to confuse many people...

Style Thoughts by Rita i agree! TR is definitely the most mis-typed group, and I feel like a lot of the modern TR celebs are actually something else, Kibbe just hasn’t moved them yet.

@@vanillamochi304 yeah, like Rihanna? But idk to be honest i feel like I gain more by trying to understand what Kibbe sees in the celebrities rather than by imposing my own view. For example people are really obsessed with Amy Adams being a classic, while Kibbe says she is "textbook FN". In that case you learn more by trying to understand what he is seeing. Same with Mila Kunis, people freaked out when he said she was TR but he didn't see it as some mistake, and its helpful to understand what he is seeing in her. Buuuuuut overall the emphasis on celebrities is just not so helpful. They have surgery, Photoshop, stylists, abd they are all very, very thin, and there is only so much you can take away from looking at their pictures. It's good to understand the yin yang balance of each type but focusing on individual celebrities probably isn't so helpful for most people

Actually jada looks like a gamine or soft gamine to me because although she appears small she looks really dry und not "lush" enough to je TR

Im pretty sure the wide shoulders represent the yang energy of the skeletal bone structure of a TR

Agree with that. Tbh I think most people typed as TR by Kibbe would not be conventionally described as curvy

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita looking at the accommodations and description TR is more relatable to me than SG. However, breaking down the i.ds to a yin and Yang balance, I'm not a TR because my fleshiness isn't quite fleshy enough to be a romantic (a C answer) , I have a narrow chest (an A answer) and my cheekbones are wide and prominent (a B answer) and there all Yang features and TR doesn't have any Yang , especially in the body. Although, my ribs are prominent and curved , I'm very narrow and delicate looking, my hips are very prominent and round , my shoulders are the delicate, slightly sloped and very narrow shoulders with a hint of sharpness of the TR i.d and I have a lot of softness and a strong romantic essence ,my gamine essence is very low . This is why I'm not a TR but a gamine and how the TR lines work best for me.x

I hate to say this as it's a bit repetitive from the video, but have you considered SD? I would say Anita Ekberg (5'6") is a taller TR with a sharp nose

Style Thoughts by Rita can you be soft dramatic and 5 ft tall

@@choisanscroptop7809 no, SD are tall. Can you be a gamine or TR?

@@choisanscroptop7809 There's no lower height limit for yang IDs, so yes. Mae West was a 5'0" SD.

I think it matters more how tall you look, not your actual height (?) also because it’s hard to fit 100% into a category

Charlotte Elizabeth yeah while height does play an important factor, it’s also important to see how tall they look. e.g: there are 2 people who are 5’5 but one looks more elongated.

David Kibbe believes celebs lie about their height. If he met Rihanna and she is indeed taller than 5'5, he would reclass her

Fanny's LoA she honestly looks like flamboyant gamine to me maybe? I just read the description and I feel she may fit that. She also has that Audrey Hepburn vibe. Her face has some round shapes but her body seems to have more straight lines than curved 🧐

Yes, Mila Kunis looks gamine to me

T M H I had always seen Mika Kunis as either a type of gamine or soft natural. I think I’ve heard how she was moved to another category besides theatrical romantic but I can’t recall

Soft round small faces are typically Gamine. Romantics faces look larger and are typically oval, or sometimes rounded rectangles

@@jillianrhodes3693 Mila Kunis is a TR according to David Kibbe, she has not been moved anywhere despite people discussing/asking David about her so i dont think its some mistake or accident

Honestly to me it sounds like you should adjust your view of what Soft Natural clothes are, rather than your view of what your image ID is. If you are petite with some curve and some width in your shoulders and upper back, it sounds SN. TR will not have broad shoulders, so "big boned" excludes TR. It's possible that your view of "what TR clothes are" is perhaps closer to what "SN clothes" are! There is a lot of misinformation out there, particularly about SN.

Also, what we consider "delicate facial features" is something seen on women of every image ID! So I wouldn't focus too much on that

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita thank you very much for your answer ! your right, i will look more into that...also, your videos are very informative and great, im looking forward for the next ones (and for a soft natural video :D) i hope you have a great day !

Hi! I think many (probably more than half) type themselves as TR when they first come to Kibbe and do the quiz, before they develop a clearer understanding of yin and yang and a clearer picture of their own body. To be blunt with you, no, at 5'7" you're not going to be a TR in David Kibbe's system, where TR as an Image ID refers to women who are very yin dominant. In Kibbe's system, height gives you an automatic yang, regardless of anything else, so it's just not possible for you to be a Yin Dominant type like a R, TR or SG. You are tall at 5'7". Most women fall between 4'11"-5'11". Given that clothes are made for this entire range of heights, you're not going to be suited for the smallest clothes even if you appear petite. I understand people are surprised you are tall. Maybe you are finding ways to shrink your self through your fashion, body language, and so on, and not presenting your physicality to the world. Maybe it's just a coincidence that some people think you're short. There are lots of potential explanations. Most of the time, women want to be TR because they want to "wear TR clothes" or just to express and be perceived as very sexy and feminine. You are in charge of your own style expression! As David has pointed out, dressing in clothes meant for a short and petite curvy body will not look harmonious on a larger woman. But maybe your own interpretation of what TR means to you is the thing you're searching for, not really a Kibbe Image ID but just a romantic, feminine clothing style. You could also try and forget TR for now and get to know your body a bit better and learn how to dress for the height (and whatever other attributes) you have. It's very possible for you to develop a sexy and feminine style which honors your body without sticking yourself into a category that doesn't suit you. I really recommend the Strictly Kibbe Facebook groups, to follow Kibbe's exercises and also to see lots of women experimenting with their style.

Style Thoughts by Rita I’m not trying to say ur wrong but rihanna is 5’7 as well would that make her not a tr like ur telling this girl??

Style Thoughts by Rita correction she’s actually 5’8

@@xo.okanddd9987 people (including myself) have asked David about Rihanna many times and he says she is irrelevant and he has no opinion about her Image ID and that people should stop using celebrity comparisons because they are not useful at all. David has had many many opportunities to say "well okay Rihanna isn't TR, she's something else" and to me the fact that he has chosen not to do that means he wouldn't see it as helpful.

There isn't more to it than the fact that TR must be yin dominant, and according to David, physically a woman who is 5'7" is not yin dominant. I see people doing all kinds of different takes on Kibbe's system, trying to for example show how "dainty" Rihanna is... And I think thats finest for people who want to develop their own understanding and not really use David's ideas. Personally I think David's ideas are the best ones and dressing for my height (which I didn't perceive as "so tall") has been extremely rewarding for me. So I encourage people to learn about what David says not because he's an arbitrary authority figure but because I have such trust in him.

Rihanna is a TR and she's 5'9", Beyoncé is a romantic but she's 5'8" so I guess actual hight doesn't matter. As kibbe said what matters is how you "appear" some women who are actually tall look short because their vertical line doesn't pop out, likewise some women who are short(including myself) can appear tall because their vertical line pops out, for eg. Megan fox is 5'4" but she looks tall in photos

Ahhh it’s so confusing! But thank you.

@@aayushivasnik Even though she was typed as a TR, a lot of people think she is SD (myself included)

@@aayushivasnik I think you're right about vertical line being more important. Rihanna looks around 5'6 , I mean not more than 5'7 although she's 5'9.. And beyonce too sometimes looks about 5'5 , at the most 5'6, unless she's wearing wide paded shoulder outfits

@@aayushivasnik Rihanna is not verified anymore. She's removed from the list. So no, you cannot be TR at that height.

Sooo different but it can get pretty confusing and hard to determine, but they are really different. Naturals are supposed to be tall or average in height with very few exceptions, they are blunt and broad and have some width to them whereas TR is about the delicate sharpness, not bluntness, and the small narrowness, not width. Also width isn't bad or synonymous with fat, Margot Robbie is one example of the great figure but definitely width in her frame. As to how they carry weight they are more likely to be on the leaner more muscular side, whereas TR are soft and fleshy.

Possibly soft natural. TR would have an A or two and no B's.

I wouldn't use the quiz at all. David says above a certain height it's not about how tall you look but how tall you are. At 5'6" with a defined waist there are several image IDs that could work for you. It can be hard to see what your image ID is because there's so much internet noise about what the IDs are. It's all about figuring out what your yin and yang balance is and then learning to translate that to clothes.

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita ohhhh okay I understand, I don't know much abt the body types and I only discovered it through the quiz but I now I know that it may not be the best to use the quiz but ur saying focus more on the yin and yang u have then other things? Also yes a lot of Internet noise haha

@@jaymeerenee2357 yes exactly, I think the quit is honestly confusing. There are some exercises in the Strictly Kibbe group but they require quite a lot of effort. The other option is just to learn about the image IDs and see if anyone resonates with you. At 5'6 with a curvy waist there are many possible options :)

If you're rounded and softly wide with a touch of yang and 5'7", I would think about SN!

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita I am 140 lbs and my waist is quite small in comparison to my hips that are the more rounded part of my body. My face have only E features. My wrists and ankles are really small. Is that okay with SN ?

@@Amyhb69 wrists and ankles and waist do not really affect whether our not someone could be SN, the thing that defines SN is that you have some blunt yang (what many see as softy/roundly wide, kind of a gently strong frame) and you have a yin undercurrent. So having rounded facial features is yin, defined waist is yin etc and these are all possible expressions of your yin undercurrent 5'7" with delicate and sharp looking bone structure and a defined waist could also be SD. I think many women think SD clothes are somehow overwhelming or intimidating but they don't need to be. I have said this many times but just to say it again, if you prefer to see yourself as a Kibbe romantic or TR despite being officially too tall, nobody is stopping you at all, and you should pursue what feels right to your heart

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita Thank you very much. I don't really know how to define myself but any body type doesn't feel right. I feel not skinny enough to have some dramatic. For a lot of questions I had to show my picture because I couldn't pick an answer. My point is that I don't prefer being called a romantic or a natural or whatever but nothing feels right and I want to find something accurate so I can find what to wear. For now I tried a lot of things but what works was mostly the soft gamine wardrobe. Maybe because I am quite young and it is really mixed

@@Amyhb69 David really doesn't recommend women who are young to go by his system but just to have fun. I say that you should see if you can use any of his principles in a way that feels good, but not worry too much ❤️ I think his ideas about colors and about how to put together outfits are interesting regardless of image id. And also I think the Kibbe subreddit can be fun to ask for help with your "type" even though it might not be accurate

She is a DK confirmed TR. I have no idea who says she is a SN and she has the yin with a touch of yang which describes a TR, I do not see he having blunt yang width.

According to David Kibbe you cannot be TR at 177 cm, because you have too much yang by virtue of your height. But I am not here to tell you how to live your life lol, just trying to provide information 🌼

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita but i can . Btw, in my country people are taller. I know that I can't be dramatic or natural because of my bone structure... And i do not look good with other body type clothes. (sorry for bad english)

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita iznimke potvrđuju pravila

@@miakatarina3377 I feel there is enough online teaching/scolding about Kibbe on this subject so I don't want to get into it more. It doesn't matter, in Kibbe's, perspective how tall people in your country are, because it's not whether you are relatively tall or short but just literally how long your bones are. He believes that women with longer bones look best when they dress for that length (which doesn't mean wearing big or long clothes). I have also made a video about this called "height and Kibbe". Probably you are not TR and discovering a different image ID could be fun and transformative for you. BUT You are you and your style journey is your own! and if right now, TR silhouettes make you feel best, then I would call it a success! ❤️❤️❤️

@@StyleThoughtsbyRita can you help me find my real kibbe body type? Only if you want and if you have time.

She was removed since this video was made 💜

I think being a woman sharpness perhaps can easily be read as small delicate sharpness, but a huge point of TR is that they are small. So if you're that tall, then it's not small sharpness it's just sharpness. I think when learning the body type descriptions people picture extremes, and even in photo examples sometimes they are using extreme examples, it makes it easier for us to learn to identify the traits, but for so many women it's probably a bit harder to pin point those traits on themselves. You could have sharpness that makes you a dramatic or soft dramatic, or perhaps you have bluntness of a natural but it doesn't look that broad or muscular to you so you're interpreting it as sharpness. Obviously I don't know so these are just guesses and examples really, but TR is the shortest type so that would be the first one for you to rule out

Yes! I have a video about her 🙂

I'm pretty sure Kim is SN so maybe worth checking that out :) anyway she is way too yang for TR

theatrical romantics have the narrowest bones of all the body types. At 5'7 with wide bones you cannot be TR

@@a_little_green it's actually dramatic but becuz tr are short, that's why. If you compare tr and d with same height, it would be d who is narrower.

What?

All celebrities in this video are verified by David Kibbe! so it's likely that you are not fully seeing his vision for R/TR if you don't think these women belong to that kibbe type -- but also I know he doesn't claim Rihanna is TR anymore so who knows really!