why simply copying the hunger games doesn't work

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today we discuss a popular and beloved trope: the death tournament or battle royale. popularized by the hunger games, started by 'battle royale', now a trope that is common in books and tv. let's analyse its history, why we love it so much and why i personally think it so often misses the mark
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1:55 history of the battle royale trope
17:42 why is the trope so popular?
20:35 how battle royale stories fail
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@FrostCHNOS
@FrostCHNOS 8 ай бұрын
If you really stretch, Charlie and the Chocolate factory is a death tournament
@josefehling1134
@josefehling1134 7 ай бұрын
Not really a stretch because am elimination tournament but there is a great video that goes into willy Wonka and how fucked up the character and setting is 😂
@diereading
@diereading 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always felt like someone should remake that story except the kids don’t come out alive. Or at least we don’t see them come out alive. Especially with Burton’s take on the tale, it truly is a horror story
@FrostCHNOS
@FrostCHNOS 7 ай бұрын
@diereading I know in the stage musical you see the one girl get ripped apart by squirrels on stage
@joranbooth5529
@joranbooth5529 6 ай бұрын
@@diereading that would be amazing
@OcarinaSapphr-
@OcarinaSapphr- 6 ай бұрын
As the Honest Trailer says, "Saw-- for kids!"
@pendragon2012
@pendragon2012 8 ай бұрын
I was disappointed you didn't say, "If you hear screaming in the background, that's the death tournament I'm running this weekend".
@whatsgiureading
@whatsgiureading 7 ай бұрын
exactly like it ruined the vibe 😂
@oliviah4731
@oliviah4731 5 ай бұрын
I was hoping she would say, "If you hear screaming in the background... no, you don't."
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir 5 ай бұрын
They volunteered for it, honest, I swear.
@pyjamamc2826
@pyjamamc2826 5 ай бұрын
Hunger games copies tend to forgive their own "battle royales". It's either a magical coming of age ritual, a test to prove oneself, a necessary game to weed out the weak, etc. The hunger games were explicity an evil tool created by evil people who wanted to control the districts. Every single tribute was a victim of the games whether they were a victor or not. In these copies, the evil people are the enemies in the arena and the battle royale is just a fact of life that everyone accepts.
@kkat42069
@kkat42069 6 ай бұрын
The hunger games really isn’t a rip off of Battle Royal basically because Battle Royal is a critique of Japanese society and Hunger Games is a critique of American society. The only similarity is the death tournaments
@kkat42069
@kkat42069 6 ай бұрын
I can’t believe it’s marketed as “The Real Hunger Games” cause like …. They’re literally different things
@Undidiridium_
@Undidiridium_ 4 ай бұрын
Exactly. Not to mention BR is one book. THG has 3 and deep dives way more into the world around it as well as the toppling. The games were plot point but not the whole plot
@waltlock8805
@waltlock8805 2 ай бұрын
Battle Royal is all about the social commentary. In the Hunger Games, the commentary is there, but only in the background.
@dilaisy_loone2846
@dilaisy_loone2846 Ай бұрын
@@waltlock8805Noo?? The commentary is the hole point of the books, the battle is just collateral
@leemarjoram1087
@leemarjoram1087 Ай бұрын
And the loin king isn't a rip off of Kimba the white loin
@taylorparis7228
@taylorparis7228 8 ай бұрын
I will literally never let The Hunger Games books OR movies die. The series itself is so brilliantly, beautifully crafted. Catching Fire will never be topped.
@neondouble_
@neondouble_ 6 ай бұрын
Say whatever you want, but... I don't get what's so good about it.
@Angelo-uw9eo
@Angelo-uw9eo 6 ай бұрын
​@@neondouble_*gasp* if you dont like it i dont see how i can change your mind about it in one comment. I love it but you can enjoy other things :)
@PCDelorian
@PCDelorian 6 ай бұрын
@@neondouble_ Some opinions are wrong, this is one example. jk to each his own but I love the fact that trauma in the series feels real and its really good at making you feel for the characters.
@PenguinsAreColdish
@PenguinsAreColdish 6 ай бұрын
very great analysis man@@neondouble_
@pattyfaubert1938
@pattyfaubert1938 5 ай бұрын
Agreed! Just started rewatching all the movies and possibly re-reading the books❤ Catching Fire is one of the best adapted book -> movie adaptation second to the new Dune film.
@TheGalacticGrizzly
@TheGalacticGrizzly 8 ай бұрын
I think what makes the Hunger Games so good, is that the cost of life has impact on the characters and story. I've only seen the movies, but the start of the tournament was gnarly. I wasn't entertained, it was actually pretty hard to watch. The fact that the rich people are entertained by seeing dead children, really says something about the world. And it also makes the story more realistic. In a lot of action genres, people dying is nbd (unless it's like a best friend, mentor or lover). It gives people the appearance of desensitisation to death. But what if you're actually standing there, seeing it, being in danger yourself? I think the Hunger Games really succeeded in communicating that fear and desperation.
@kbird6208
@kbird6208 6 ай бұрын
I read the books but the movies were too stressful for me.
@Redthreadwitch
@Redthreadwitch 5 ай бұрын
They did a good job with the movies, but the books are even better in this respect! Because you are in Katniss’ head, you really feel the emotional and psychological toll it takes on her.
@angel127_
@angel127_ 5 ай бұрын
@@kbird6208 the first book was so gruesome, especially Cato’s death . it was changed in the movie but he was wearing armour which prevented him from dying straight away at the hands of the mutts . katniss and peeta literally lie on top of the cornucopia while cato is slowly being mauled underneath them for hours …… and i read the books at twelve 😭😭😭
@FifthAveAtFive
@FifthAveAtFive 4 ай бұрын
I love when books show the arc of becoming desensitized to death is non-linear. That first ever death you hear about/witness impacts you, but that becomes common place then it’s the deaths you have a hand in that cause the emotional distress but you have to accept that it’s a reality of your world and you have to cope in some way. Then it’s seeing people that you thought were invincible being killed and realizing no day is guaranteed even when you are the most skilled and lethal person. I think Rebecca Yarros’s Empyrean series does this well, it makes even the characters used to murder question the ethics of their war college and culture.
@swiftnstylinson
@swiftnstylinson 8 ай бұрын
You should definitely do one on Villain Redemption Arc and Hero Corruption Arc. Its amazing and there is so much to explore
@monangemyangel9952
@monangemyangel9952 8 ай бұрын
Yes, its a very incredible ideia. :)
@ankita_rc
@ankita_rc 8 ай бұрын
ooohhhh both sound so interesting
@vickysbookland
@vickysbookland 8 ай бұрын
@@drawingwithkay the young elites by marie lu! amazing trilogy, all short books and super fast to read and it has that arc
@blearyeyedchangeling
@blearyeyedchangeling 8 ай бұрын
YES id love that
@ravioli_124
@ravioli_124 7 ай бұрын
i luv ur pfp
@asterope9244
@asterope9244 8 ай бұрын
Actually both Cato and Clove (Tributes from District 2) volunteer in Hunger Games for fame and honor.
@amelieclemens3201
@amelieclemens3201 8 ай бұрын
Yeah I also thought of that! They also do it because for them, the stakes aren't as high as other people's, because they are actually trained for the games and have an advantage, therefore not having such a high threshold to join the games!
@TheBookLeo
@TheBookLeo 8 ай бұрын
oh right i forgot about that! but even that detail makes sense for the world!
@viivv6230
@viivv6230 8 ай бұрын
most career tributes do volunteer (district 1, 2, 4 in the books). katniss said that since they usually do volunteer, the whole volunteer process can get complicated in those districts
@Mia_M
@Mia_M 8 ай бұрын
@@amelieclemens3201 not just that, but people from their districts tend to have more sponsors in the capitol too because they have that training and receive the best scores.
@aurora5481
@aurora5481 7 ай бұрын
Which in of itself is still commentary on the power dynamics: the volunteer tributes and the districts that raise their children idolising the games where 96% of the contenders die represent military propaganda and the Capitol's message of them as trials of skill and cunning so successfully that they believe getting their children killed or exploited for the benefit of their oppressors for increments of wealth over the other districts is an _honour._ Again, leaning on the clear Roman inspirations scattered throughout the book, it's Divide and Conquer: show favouritism for one subject and beat down another, and they'll be too busy hating each other to unify against you.
@senseghost467
@senseghost467 5 ай бұрын
The Hunger Games and Battle Royale came from the same source, simple, The concept of there being only one "winner" has existed since the ancient Romans,the era of the gladiators. + Suzanne tells us she was inspired by the The Tale of the Minotaur,her father used to tell ancient greek stories to her as a child(he was a soldier too) So all of these experiences impacted on her work And this is very clear in Susanne's work,from the names of people to the concepts The Hunger Games is not just another gratuitous bloodbath, it goes further, it is pure social criticism
@xyulo
@xyulo 8 ай бұрын
I think you overlooked one very big reason why Battle Royals are so popular: people love to imagine how well would they do in these tournaments. This is exactly why Squid games and Battle Royal exist in the public consciousness less like "stories about certain characters", and more like a "tournament with certain rules". People love to recreate SG challenges during Halloween bcs they want to know how would they do it (the fact that this one doesn't force you to outright murder people but just asks you to win games makes it easier to imagine yourself in their place). Meanwhile other settings coerce the reader into Raskolnikov's dilemma of "am i cut out for the murder? can i do it?". That brings me to another point about what makes this trope shine: you really have to spend a lot of time with your characters, their feelings, their motivations, and with the world itself before you move onto the game itself. Because if characterization of your MCs isn't strong enough, their personal tragedy will be overshadowed by the games. Yeah, we do talk about Hunger Games as a tournament with its rules, we love playing in Hunger Games simulator and make our blorbos fight to death. But we remember as much of both Katniss and Panem, because we spend a lot of time with both of them before and after the games. Because good death tournament the book has to make sure that personal tragedies and the world-building isn't overshadowed by the game.
@Isabelle-mp8rk
@Isabelle-mp8rk 7 ай бұрын
Oh definitely, i still believe a massive reason battle royale games got so big was the popularity of the minecraft hunger games servers.
@johannastromberg1224
@johannastromberg1224 6 ай бұрын
In multiple interviews I have seen with Suzanne Collins, she states that the inspiration for the hunger games concept actually came from a story from Greek mythology.
@ryan3136
@ryan3136 Ай бұрын
It came from several things. The Greek myth of Theseus, the Iraq war, reality television, and her own experiences as a child after her father was drafted into the Vietnam war.
@melaniethiessen8160
@melaniethiessen8160 8 ай бұрын
On the whole power dynamic aspect, I never hear anyone talk about how Katniss in the books is actually Indigenous. Her father was. How most of the residents in district 11 are mostly Black and how that district is heavily policed and guarded, and how district 12 is mostly Indigenous people and it's basically abandoned and forgotten. Also, how Peeta, who lives in the "richer" part of town and is white, does have more privilege than Katniss and they have their own power dynamic between them because of this with the bread. It's not just about money, it's about race. It would have been interesting to see all of that explored in the films.
@solo-mons
@solo-mons 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think district 12 is primarily indigenous given the common grey eyes there (correct me if I’m wrong), and I’m not sure if Katniss’ dad was indigenous given I don’t remember his character description… but it would make sense if he was given the foraging in the woods thing. Definitely an interesting thing I’ll think about next reread.
@mariaraquelfs
@mariaraquelfs 8 ай бұрын
I don't remember Katniss being indigenous, she was described as olive skin in the books, which could mean from arabic decent to latin american, also indigenous. Anyway, she was not described as white
@solarium1
@solarium1 7 ай бұрын
katniss is indigenous to the Appalachian mountains.
@sasha9465
@sasha9465 6 ай бұрын
that and also its exemplified by katniss’ mother and prim. she makes comments about how they stand out in the seam because of their blonde hair and blue eyes. district 12 is def racially and socially segregated. ive always thought of book katniss and her dad/sister, gale, haymitch, and the other seam characters as native appalachian
@theGhostofRoberttheBruce
@theGhostofRoberttheBruce 6 ай бұрын
@@sasha9465 The 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed. Ethnically Russian (data from research of the Russian ethnic group 1957-1959): 43.46% - blue, light blue, gray eyes 50.17% - green, gray-green, brown-green, blue-green 6.37% - brown, yellow-brown, black-brown The Royal Scyths, established themselves as rulers of the southern Russian and Crimean territories. It is there that the richest, oldest, and most-numerous relics of Scythian civilization have been found. Athena, the Greek goddess of wisdom, battle strategy, crafts, and weaving, is often referred to as "grey-eyed" or "glaukopis."
@serpenttailedangel
@serpenttailedangel 8 ай бұрын
It's been a hot minute since I read Hunger Games, but I'm pretty sure that in the first book, the richer districts had kids who trained outright for the Hunger Games and volunteered annually, because beyond abducting children and then telling them to fight, the capitol also gave a bunch of perks to the entire district of the winner to incentivize compliance from the tributes, such that winning districts faced less starvation and scarcity. It was a combination both of tyranny and exploiting desperation. Without the incentive, you can force kids to fight for their lives, but you risk having too many who would choose to sacrifice themselves rather than turn into a killer just to die before the end anyway. With the incentive, you get a lot of kids who find moral justification in what they're doing.
@LongDeadArtist
@LongDeadArtist Ай бұрын
They treated it as an honor, so volunteering is common in higher districts unlike district 12, where everyone is struggling and just wants to provide.
@jesuisege
@jesuisege 26 күн бұрын
oh yeah ive always thought about how i would simply kill myself as soon as the games started if i was ever put in that position instead of becoming a murderer with the slightest chance of survival. it's the hope of making it and essentially becoming a celebrity, escaping a horrific life that makes them keep going. even president snow talks about the importance of hope for the system to work and how too much of it is dangerous. the 'careers' who train in order to volunteer have all been brainwashed into believing that being a victor is a big honor; which mirrors how war propaganda works in real life
@deadfor7yrs246
@deadfor7yrs246 8 ай бұрын
i remember realising that the greek myth of the minotaur was sort of a battle royale and then assuming that the hunger games was based on that... i actually don't think anyone survived those until Theseus had Ariadne's string but basically a bunch of teens (seven youths and seven maidens) were sent into the labyrinth to appease the appetite of the minotaur once every nine years. i only have a rough idea of the myth lol but i just thought it was a similar sort of story. King Minos's son was killed by Athenians so 'to avenge his death' he commanded that they give 14 of their youths as sacrifices to the minotaur.
@littledrummergirl_19
@littledrummergirl_19 Ай бұрын
There was a Doctor Who episode about this and reading your comment made me realize it’s also about that Greek myth - it’s the episode where the 11th doctor gets lost with Amy and Rory in that infinite hotel being hunted by a Minotaur and the rooms are their worst fears, and the Minotaur feeds off the fears so you have to resist opening the door to the room that “calls” you
@jesuisege
@jesuisege 26 күн бұрын
@@littledrummergirl_19 omg thank you for making me realise that. doctor who does often take interesting media tropes (if you think about it myths are ancient media lol) and gives them its own twist and i knew that infinite hotel-fear alien episode felt familiar but i couldn't put my finger on it
@eiladev1130
@eiladev1130 16 күн бұрын
Suzzane Collins has actually said that this Greek myth was one of her inspirations when she was creating the Hunger Games! So you were spot on
@eiladev1130
@eiladev1130 16 күн бұрын
*Suzanne
@amyr3293
@amyr3293 8 ай бұрын
I actually very rarely read a magical competition book that actually pulls the trope off, but the death tournament is invariably worse as a trope. Partly because since the hunger games most authors don’t have the balls to kill most of or all of the participants.
@meysician7117
@meysician7117 8 ай бұрын
Bestie you can't drop this comment and not give us the title of that book
@Joeysaladslover
@Joeysaladslover 8 ай бұрын
@@meysician7117huh did you actually read the comment what are you talking about
@meysician7117
@meysician7117 8 ай бұрын
@@Joeysaladslover OH HAHAHA my tired brain thought you read a book that managed to pull the trope off because the author killed most of the participants
@pinkcupcake90
@pinkcupcake90 Ай бұрын
I read Powerless and tbh it couldn’t pull it off for those exact reasons
@kingdionysus1867
@kingdionysus1867 Ай бұрын
Drop the receipt! 😭
@lamcb.9476
@lamcb.9476 8 ай бұрын
I’m sorry I shouldn’t laugh because I’m Dutch too, but when you said Danganronpa with that flat Dutch accent I nearly spit out my water
@saram5659
@saram5659 8 ай бұрын
Only Dutch people ever criticize others' Dutch accents. If she would have said it with an American accent it would probably be a worse pronunciation of the name in its original language.
@TheGalacticGrizzly
@TheGalacticGrizzly 8 ай бұрын
​@@saram5659I personally smirked at that because I would say it the exact same way. It's funny how easily an English pronunciation goes out the window when it comes to foreign words, even though your whole essay is in English.
@Hannah_96
@Hannah_96 6 ай бұрын
same hahahah love it
@jesuisege
@jesuisege 26 күн бұрын
ohhh i was wondering what accent she had. also its cute that she reverts to her native accent for words in other languages cuz when i speak english i even pronounce words in my native tongue with an english accent for some reason?? lmfaooo
@monster-enthusiast
@monster-enthusiast 8 ай бұрын
I'd kill for a video about The Bad Boy. In my opinion, bad boys first started out as Greasers (example: The Fonz from Happy Days). They had a similar feeling to punks in the way that they broke rules and were pretty counter culture. The Bad Boy, was a guy that was poor or from the "bad part of town". He's anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment, and cares more about people than the laws. They wear leather cuz they ride bikes and that's just biker gear. Bad Boys, when done correctly, are supposed to be the rough guy that will risk harm and arrest in order to do the right thing. Bad boys are NOT bigots and definitely not wealthy. If he's toxic, he's not a bad boy. The "bad boy with a heart of gold" isn't "he mistreated me but he loves me" it's "he get's his hands dirty and is rough around the edges but he always stands up for the little guy and does what's right (not what's lawful)." Edit: what people think of nowadays as The Bad Boy is a severely mishandled and bastardized version.
@sofialima4521
@sofialima4521 8 ай бұрын
Omg YES! I would love a video about how/when it changed into whatever the hell wattpad has been brewing
@frannyc7248
@frannyc7248 8 ай бұрын
Yas a 100% this🎉
@FMFF_
@FMFF_ 8 ай бұрын
I'd love to see this done, too! I feel like some authors just wanted a "bad boy" as the ML and figured so long he was hot/confident they only needed to add "be an AH to everyone but (gradually) not to FL" and it'd be OK cause it was OK from the FL POV.
@theheirslair9581
@theheirslair9581 8 ай бұрын
in other words, the bad boy changed from a working-class hero to an owning-class accessory, as the affluent copied what made him dangerous, legal transgression, without understanding what makes him appealing. damn rich people, always ruining everything with their shortsightedness
@wanda7258
@wanda7258 8 ай бұрын
@@theheirslair9581 It wasn't more so rich people who did this. It was the authors themselves. Because being rich is seen as appealing. I don't think a lot of people wanted to have their hero boy crush to be from lower classes, because money allows for cool accessories and fancy dates and gowns. I think also, at the time the troubled rich artist trope (which in itself used to be beautifully done) was becoming popular. So the authors cherry-picked their favourite bits from each trope and mangled it into a mess as they understood neither trope well. It's not rich people's shortsightedness, it's the face value admiration for a thing based simply off of their aesthetics today which has caused trouble in many areas.
@Cyclone-wolf
@Cyclone-wolf 8 ай бұрын
21:56 Great video! One small thing though that does change a bit of the dynamic (its been a long time since Ive read this series so the details are fuzzy) but Katniss isnt the only one to volunteer. Shes just the only one to do so from her district. The higher districts get volunteers because the kids train their entire lives just to compete. Its a money/wealth thing.
@littledrummergirl_19
@littledrummergirl_19 Ай бұрын
Yeah, they’re called careers! They train specifically to volunteer
@jesuisege
@jesuisege 26 күн бұрын
it's the hope of making it and essentially becoming a celebrity, that makes them do it. even president snow talks about the importance of hope for the system to work and how too much of it is dangerous. the 'careers' who train in order to volunteer have all been brainwashed into believing that being a victor is a big honor; which mirrors how war propaganda works in real life. i've heard the prequel explains more about how that became a strategy but i haven't read/watched it. it's classic divide and conquer tho, capitol shows favoritsm towards the first three or four (and btw, white) districts. they're wealthier so they can afford to train instead of just trying to survive, therefore they are a bigger threat and the other districts can hate them instead of realising who the real enemy is. the careers are also victims of the capitol and that is why when cato realizes how he has ''always been dead anyways'', he just wasn't aware; it is heart breaking cuz you see that he is also just a scared kid.
@sofiarodriguezmarsiglia334
@sofiarodriguezmarsiglia334 7 ай бұрын
Actually in the hunger games there's this thing called the career tributes, which are from the wealthier districts (1, 2 and 4), that prepare themselves in academys and that sort of things all their life, and then they do volunteer and it's really common. They do that because of the prestige they bring if they win and the resocurces they have (much more chances to win), and the treat the capitol gives the tributes; but in the beginning tributes where treated like animals and the hunger games where only promoted as punishment so back then no one would actually volunteer
@reneeleyyi1345
@reneeleyyi1345 6 ай бұрын
such relevant commentary cause i see many writers use tools of death, murder, sa and various crimes within their universe/ by characters and don't write on the impact of it all. readers can feel it when authors are just tossing around traumatic 'incidents' and bloody 'plot devices' just for the sake of their story and doesn't empathise their characters or even let us have time to process the emotional journey with the characters/ community in their literary universe
@johnharvey5412
@johnharvey5412 6 ай бұрын
Collins does this better than most. Her earlier series, the Underland Chronicles, lean into this as well. You can feel the protagonist getting more and more troubled and cynical as he sees (and causes) more death and chaos, and is a complete wreck by the end.
@saww_yer
@saww_yer Ай бұрын
i love that the hunger games does a death tournament that shows how hard it is to bring yourself to kill someone, even in a fight to the death. katniss shows mercy to fox face, and thresh shows her mercy when they could easily have killed one another. suzanne collins also explores the mental toll killing someone directly takes on katniss, showing her nightmares, ptsd, and the substance abuse issues other victors experience, creating a very realistic view of what it would actually be like to experience this world for yourself
@JustClaude13
@JustClaude13 5 ай бұрын
One difference between The Hunger Games and gladiatorial games is that the Battle Royale genre is all about killing each other off, while gladiators were too expensive to kill casually. Gladiator matches were to submission. If the host of the match demands battle to the death he'll have to pay for the gladiator, including the cost of training and feeding him. While accidental deaths weren't uncommon, deliberate fights to the death were very rare.
@leegaul2161
@leegaul2161 8 ай бұрын
"I made this entire video just as an excuse to rant about this book." Relatable.
@SEB1991SEB
@SEB1991SEB 7 ай бұрын
Katniss isn't the only person who volunteers for the Hunger Games. It's mentioned that certain districts (the more well-off districts) hold their Hunger Games champions in very high esteem, they're like heroes, and they also have a culture around the Hunger Games, where children will be trained in combat from an early age specifically for the Hunger Games (therefore these districts will usually win the Hunger Games each year too, because they have this huge advantage). So people from those districts will volunteer for the honour and glory (I'm not sure if anyone else volunteers for it in Katniss' year though).
@meadowmia
@meadowmia 3 ай бұрын
I think it was mention in the books that training for hunger games is banned in the districts but District 1,2, and 4 was able to find loophole to this rule, while the other districts didn’t. Also when someone win the the hunger games, it also benefits the winning district too. They get year worth of parcels of food from the Capitol, so district 1,2, and 4 receive more food for their citizens because their victors.
@SEB1991SEB
@SEB1991SEB 3 ай бұрын
@@meadowmia Yeah that's right, it's common knowledge that certain districts do train for it, but the Capitol doesn't stop them. I can't remember the loophole to it, I thought the Capitol just looked the other way for some reason. Oh yeah that's true. So then they'd be hailed as a hero in their district for winning food for everyone. Good point.
@hanng1242
@hanng1242 8 ай бұрын
I think you have mis-remembered the rationale for the Battle Royale in the eponymous book. The juvenile delinquency thing was created for the movie. In the book, the Battle Royale was initially instituted as a method of military preparedness (I assume to instill into the population the samurai idea that they were already dead - killing off potential conscripts doesn't seem like a very effective way of strengthening an army), then later it morphed into totalitarian social control to remind the population that the government could kill them at any time for any, or no, reason. As for Roman gladiatorial contests, the purpose changed as time went on. They were originally religious rituals as part of Roman ancestor worship. Similar to many civilizations that killed wives, slaves or guards to serve a potentate in the afterlife, the gladiators were essentially human sacrifices to the deceased to accompany him in death as a sort of bodyguard. The combat part of it was designed to make sure that said bodyguard were good warriors (which is why gladiators were trained for combat). Julius Caesar, for example, held a gladiatorial contest involving more than 300 men for his father's funeral - so many that the Senate imposed a ceiling on the number of people who could be involved because they were concerned that Caesar might have been raising an army (remember, M. Licinius Crassus who defeated Spartacus in the Servile wars was part of the First Triumvirate with Caesar). The bread and circuses aspect of these events likely arose during the Punic wars based upon the idea that having captured Carthaginian soldiers getting killed, or killing each other, in the arena was good for morale, since the actual army was having difficulties with Hannibal in the field. By the time of Imperial Rome, the spectacle had become the point of the thing, and an event no longer needed to be justified by a funeral. Arguably, the early Christians revived the religious aspect of dying in the arena, but for a different reason than, and with a different form of "combat" to, the Republican Romans.
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 7 ай бұрын
The juvenile delinquency thing is a very stupid idea honestly.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 2 ай бұрын
Also, the mortality rate dropped as the number and professionalism of the combatants increased. Makes sense, you wouldn't want to kill large amounts of expensive, trained "assets" if you can avoid it.
@joicebelo9167
@joicebelo9167 8 ай бұрын
It would be great if Leo started a podcast. I wouldn't mind listening to her voice for hours
@meysician7117
@meysician7117 8 ай бұрын
YES YES YES
@whatsgiureading
@whatsgiureading 7 ай бұрын
OMG YES WE ARE BEGGING
@melemon810
@melemon810 8 ай бұрын
I think an interesting trope to explore would be “being transported to another world”, specifically how the protagonists handle this. I feel like a lot of authors don’t realize the weight of the situation of not knowing where you are or how to get home after being isekai’d. I usually see examples of this in visual media, so I wonder how it differentiates with written media.
@NowioFel
@NowioFel 7 ай бұрын
About that, give Leon Ceur Senki a go. It veers away from the cliche and takes a rather unforgivingly direct reality check about a medieval world (around 8-9th century). Meanwhile 99% of isekais while saying it is a "middleage european setting" describe a happy go lucky rennaisance setting (15th century+).
@Bloodglas
@Bloodglas 5 ай бұрын
it's less about authors not realizing the weight of being in that situation and them deliberately writing a story without that weight. most authors making isekais are not trying to make a serious story, they're just making a power fantasy for teenagers. a completely average dude gets every OP power they could ever want and then gets to go around a cool new world doing whatever happens to interest them at the time.
@NowioFel
@NowioFel 5 ай бұрын
@@Bloodglas I was not denigrating your run off the mill shonen and shojo isekais, just pointing out that seinen and josei genre is understaffed.
@streetcat2006
@streetcat2006 5 ай бұрын
I read battle royale two months ago and I was WOWED by the similarities to the hunger games, just with amped up gore and more internal character struggles. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes the genre. The intro to the story is the excerpt about the boxing battle royale, and it really sets the stage for the rest of the story as a spectacle for those running it. It’s a genius work, the only downside is the 700 page length… but it’s so worth it!
@pauieeepau
@pauieeepau 8 ай бұрын
I appreciated the Battle Royale book because we had all these perspectives of the kids that gave them humanizing qualities. (Spoilers)There were some solo boys at first who attacked others out of desperation, the pacifist girls who wanted to protect each other but were sabotaged by one girl's paranoia, the naive bestfriends who thought they could call their class together, the boys who wanted to fight the authority but was also sabotaged by their infighting, the lovers that tried to protect each other, the delinquents who thought they would band together and pick off their classmates, and the main characters who were just lucky enough to meet someone knowledgeable of the game. It wasn't about the world per se, but how these kids approached the games and how children suffered under fascism. The games were an inhumane punishment/warning to society in both the book and manga, and the delinquency issue was the movie-only rationale btw. Hunger Games only focused on Katniss, but we see how she "played the game" in and out of the Hunger Games, from playing to the camera and crowds and appealing via imagery and fashion. She was also a pawn piece to the rebellion, someone to use as a figurehead and "flagbearer", someone they didn't need as a soldier but only gave the impression of one to inspire the masses. The games never really ended for her when she left the arena. She needed to keep playing or was played. I also enjoy battle royale-inspired anime, if only for the action and gore (I enjoyed the Zodiac Wars but it wasn't groundbreaking or anything). I feel like they can also be fun vibes, no thought, head empty, in battle royale books if they were specifically made to be campy. But I haven't seen that yet, and I wish a book like that was real.
@SOME_GUY_
@SOME_GUY_ 6 ай бұрын
It's so refreshing to actually see someone who's read Battle Royale!
@pauieeepau
@pauieeepau 6 ай бұрын
@@SOME_GUY_ i consumed the movie, book, and manga, but it's been a while, so this is just off the top of my head. I even forgot to mention the delinquent girl that was picking off her classmates, and she was cool as heck. Though the manga version gave her a lame fanservicey death. The manga annoyed me in many more ways, but that's another story.
@SOME_GUY_
@SOME_GUY_ 6 ай бұрын
@pauieeepau Nah, I totally feel that last point. The manga is what originally introduced me to the story, but I'm glad I later read the book. The manga made a bunch of unsavory changes, honestly.
@Alienana
@Alienana 6 ай бұрын
Battle Royale is so deeply dear and special to mee. One of the best stories ever told about desperation.
@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943
@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943 Ай бұрын
​@@SOME_GUY_Why is the evil guy a pedophile now like what
@jonweman6128
@jonweman6128 8 ай бұрын
If Suzanne Collins tells the truth we will most likely never know, but the 90:s and early 00:s was a high point for more or less deranged game shows/realities, often with an elimination structure, the idea wasn't that far-fetched. The "Deadly game shows" trope was used already in the early 80:s by Stephen King/Richard Bachman with The Long March and The Running Man, quite prophetic at that time, though they were not Battle Royales.
@obscur_artiste
@obscur_artiste 6 ай бұрын
As others have noted, some writers don’t human very well, and that reflects in their writing.
@2408LVE
@2408LVE 8 ай бұрын
I clicked so fast that actually scared me how much I love this channel ❤
@aardappel536
@aardappel536 8 ай бұрын
Not really a trope but I would really like a deep dive into the obsession books (and society) have with romance. Not in a romance books are bad way, but on how books always focus on romantic relationships, place them above platonic relationships and it’s kinda impossible to find a fantasy or YA book without a romance (sub) plot.
@kbird6208
@kbird6208 6 ай бұрын
Good point! I feel like when I was YA age, there were more books about social situations but not necessarily romance. Now as an occasional YA-reading adult, the teenage romances are not interesting but there are few books without them as the main point of the book.
@the_bookish_gal
@the_bookish_gal 8 ай бұрын
You have to read The Long Walk by Stephen King. It's so chilling and underrated and perfectly fits the theme
@bobkeane7966
@bobkeane7966 8 ай бұрын
The Long Walk is included in an anthology with the Running Man which would also fill the category.
@hoodieripper
@hoodieripper 8 ай бұрын
I read it for the first time when I was about 12 and the last line has haunted me ever since.
@bobkeane7966
@bobkeane7966 8 ай бұрын
Those four early stories are really good,it makes you wonder because King had to become famous to get them published.@@hoodieripper
@palcicaa
@palcicaa 8 ай бұрын
​@@hoodieripperright? That was my first book of 2023 and holy moly did it kick the year off. I still cant believe he came up with that as a teenager
@justjaq2319
@justjaq2319 8 ай бұрын
Oh my god, I've still think about that book daily and I've read it a year ago!!
@idk-dz
@idk-dz 8 ай бұрын
Nothing does tournaments like shounen mangas/animes. Obviously they're not 'death' tournaments but almost every shounen has a "Tournament Arc" and it became a classic trope in the medium and they're always SO MUCH FUN.
@pauieeepau
@pauieeepau 8 ай бұрын
Naruto chuunin exam in the Forest of Death and Hunter X Hunter exams substituted death with scrolls or badge numbers, but they didn't exactly prevent/disallow killing. So they kind of still are death games lol. I love these arcs.
@victoriaschapter
@victoriaschapter 8 ай бұрын
I think marriage of convenience could be an interesting trope to go into!
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change 8 ай бұрын
I feel that's a subgenre of fake dating but would love to see a deep dive on this for sure.
@ellealine4159
@ellealine4159 7 ай бұрын
If you try isekai manhwa - all the reincarnation, time regression etc. They do that a loooot
@TwirlGirl2197
@TwirlGirl2197 8 ай бұрын
The book Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison begins with the main character being conned into a battle royale for a scholarship. Highly highly recommend this book though. Its really thought provoking and I think is the best book I had to read for high school English.
@OohAPrettyRock
@OohAPrettyRock 8 ай бұрын
Adding to my book list, sounds interesting!
@AnneleenRoesems
@AnneleenRoesems 8 ай бұрын
This was what I thought about first when she mentioned battle royals in the US! I haven’t read the full book, but had to read an excerpt for my English class at uni and I should get to reading it in full!
@Kelps_K
@Kelps_K 6 ай бұрын
I love listening to people who go on detailed and passionate rants about subjects that they love. I'm not a reader or into books but I love stories and this channel has me in a choke hold 😅❤
@toyo.saketoba
@toyo.saketoba 8 ай бұрын
I would like a deep dive of beautiful covers with mediocre story, or worst the only good thing is the cover😅 I’ve been a victim so many times.
@tagtra290
@tagtra290 8 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's been burned by those covers 😂
@KYX1994
@KYX1994 8 ай бұрын
Uuuh and the opposite as well: horrible cover amazing content 👏
@toyo.saketoba
@toyo.saketoba 8 ай бұрын
@@KYX1994 oh I definitely need some of that!
@toyo.saketoba
@toyo.saketoba 8 ай бұрын
@@tagtra290 there are too many books in my possession that i physically cant even look at cuz i just remember how bad the content was😬
@aurora5481
@aurora5481 7 ай бұрын
@@tagtra290 The ones we('ve been) burn(t by).
@neppets4500
@neppets4500 8 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: Pro Wrestling is higly reguarded in Japan. Like in america WWE its spectcle and entertainment. In Japan its art and performance. Its crazy how differnet it is. But as a pro wrestling fan, writer, and avid reader never once did I see that connection... BR Boooks, games and film as accosiated with pro wrestling it makes so much sense since the Author of Battle Royale was from Japan. Mind blown lol not gonna lie!
@nozomisouffle
@nozomisouffle 8 ай бұрын
22:26 Besides Katniss there's the Career Tributes from districts 1 and 2 (I guess, not sure about the numbers), but your point stands since there's 12 districts on the competition
@cathygrandstaff1957
@cathygrandstaff1957 5 ай бұрын
The point of the class being put in the death game in Battle Royal was that it was a way for the government to show the adults that it could take their kids and more or less sentence them to death and the parents were absolutely powerless to stop this. But if the parents or someone related to someone in class got on the wrong side of the government that could influence the choice of which class went to the Battle Royal that year. Best keep your head down if you don’t want your kids to suffer.
@Sarkanybaby
@Sarkanybaby 3 ай бұрын
TBH I don't remember that part of the book, I remember it like a "look how easly friends can turn on each other, do you trust your own neighbour?" type of subtle rhetoric by the government.
@Snowy73835
@Snowy73835 8 ай бұрын
Okay, but not nearly enough people in the comments have mentioned Red Rising - that series is a masterpiece! Only the first book is of the battle royale variety, and as the story progresses, it moves in a completely different direction, but I've read very few series that have just become so much better with each next book. Cannot recommend it enough - easily the best series I've read this year, and I'm not even into scifi ❤
@jessica.isabell.m
@jessica.isabell.m 8 ай бұрын
I studied theater science and I had a seminar that was called “Serious Games” where we would talk exactly about that kind of stuff and I absolutely loved it! Thank you for transporting me back to that 😊
@Arawn505
@Arawn505 8 ай бұрын
Leonie talking about those hungry tournaments,.while people on the fairground next door are eating white bread and herring 🐟
@amt0310
@amt0310 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the history class on this trope. Super interesting! Laughed when you said you were 15 and interested in the Hunger Games. I was 11. I should be worried hahhaha
@unavezms8167
@unavezms8167 8 ай бұрын
As a person living in literal dictatorship and a colony the hunger games is relatable. I still don't whether I support Gale who believes all Capitolians (children included) deserve to die or Peeta who believes in innocent until proven otherwise. Add to that President Snow and Katniss being enemies. I still don't know why did he ask her to stop the rebellion knowing she won't be able to do it... And a guy who was Gamemaker became new president so no surprise there.
@nahicorua
@nahicorua 6 ай бұрын
Plutarch didn't become president tho? It was another rebel whose name I don't remember but she was voted fairly
@meadowmia
@meadowmia 3 ай бұрын
Plutarch didn’t become president, it was Commander Paylor, one of rebel leader (she’s from district 8, the one that President Snow bombed the hospital)
@miguelpicoito4607
@miguelpicoito4607 2 ай бұрын
@nahicorua you're right, its commander paylor, idk what this guy ia on about
@MarekMango
@MarekMango Ай бұрын
0:00 yeah, in Poland, it was translated to "Igrzyska Śmierci", Death Games, Śmierci means death. And Igrzyska is the exactly same and only word used for sports olympics, or the ancient greece thing.
@parkerr8874
@parkerr8874 7 ай бұрын
There is a Wattpad book I can't remember the title of, that I wanted to finish reading where everyone is already dead and they compete in a battle royal to return back to earth alive.
@padalapallavi2011
@padalapallavi2011 Ай бұрын
That's such an interesting concept. Please let me know if you find the book!!
@darkarcmiley3388
@darkarcmiley3388 Ай бұрын
I saw the the serpent and the wings of night cover as you were talking about books that failed this trope and was nervous when I started watching haha
@arlequinelunaire418
@arlequinelunaire418 6 ай бұрын
The first ever story (not counting short stories) I ever finished writing was a Death Tournament. Part of the reason I finished it was because it being a Death Tournament gave it a clear plot structure and end goal, along with of course enough tension. Unlike most Death Tournaments though, the participants were mainly rich and popular. There was a way to get disqualified from the tournament without dying by losing all your reputation and influence, but most just settled for killing since it was quicker and simpler
@rashichoudhary2006
@rashichoudhary2006 8 ай бұрын
I'd love a Found Family trope dive.
@whatsgiureading
@whatsgiureading 7 ай бұрын
I SECOND THIS
@phoenixontherise4221
@phoenixontherise4221 8 ай бұрын
I would love to see a deep dive on the secret identities/alter egos trope. I fall into it every. single. time. (Bonus points if the MC and love interest are enemies and/or lovers with the opposite alter ego.)
@gracesull78756
@gracesull78756 6 ай бұрын
wait any recs with this ? i feel like i can't recall almost anything like this beyond like legend lol, but love the drama with these set ups
@phoenixontherise4221
@phoenixontherise4221 6 ай бұрын
Hmm, it’s been a while, but Renegades by Marissa Meyer is the first one that comes to mind, and there’s a popular 3D animated show/movie called Miraculous Ladybug which has its whole plot based off of the trope (if you know, you know lol)
@vtauoyctynwbrooylm6008
@vtauoyctynwbrooylm6008 6 ай бұрын
i thought 'the hunger games' was about some archery competition that you play while hungry, because of the pics of katniss and her bow
@margaretschultz6209
@margaretschultz6209 28 күн бұрын
In Harvard Lampoon parody, the Hunger Pains, it was stated that the Games originally started as a pie eating contest but was later changed to a fight to the death since the competition got so heated that they started killing each other
@darnellabbott335
@darnellabbott335 Ай бұрын
Very nuanced and respectful take on the origins of battle royales, thank you so much for that! I'm a big fan of morbid stories that tend towards bad or bittersweet endings, like death tournaments, so hearing more on where the whole concept could come from and more of it history-wide is very intriguing :) Your video delivery and fun humor is really great and engaging, and your knowledge on these different literary tropes is very insightful! I look forward to more cool stuff from you, and I hope you have a great day :D
@tate5543
@tate5543 8 ай бұрын
Please read Red Rising if you haven’t yet! The first book is a great example of this trope
@tereziamarkova2822
@tereziamarkova2822 7 ай бұрын
8:18 - Actually, there were many kinds of gladiator fights, not all of them one on one (and not all of them to the death)! For example, staged naval battles were infamous for being a rare and exceptionally deadly spectacle. Also, fights between trained gladiators were superficially similar to, but not the same as glorified executions, where you basically did the same things you would to trainer, armed fighter to an unfortunate who cannot defend themselves, because, well, they were sentenced to death already. Might as well provide people with some entertainment on your way out, aye?
@danger-prone-sister
@danger-prone-sister 8 ай бұрын
For all the Hunger Games girlies, if you also happen to like Harry Potter marauders era and fan fiction, the magnum opus or one of them is Crimson Rivers, which is a complete retelling of the Hunger Games with the characters from the Marauders era, aka Sirius and Regulus Black, James Potter, etc. It is amazing and as a huge Hunger Games fan, has become my canon. Leonie, you should do a video on it!
@actuallylauraslibrary
@actuallylauraslibrary 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video - I especially appreciated your deep dive into hidden racist history of the Battle Royale trope. It's for that reason that I can't recommend Chain Gang All-Stars enough. It tackles current issues in America's carceral system using a death tournament as the backdrop - a great novel and highly effective
@karlhovemo11
@karlhovemo11 6 ай бұрын
thank you for going over the history of the battle royal. i had no idea about its origins in the uk or the us, so it was very insightful to learn more about it
@crownprincesslaya2
@crownprincesslaya2 Ай бұрын
21:21 I think that’s one of the great things about “the careers” in Hunger Games, like the reasoning behind all that is really good
@onfaerystories
@onfaerystories 8 ай бұрын
This was a fascinating video! I had added Battle Royale to my TBR after watching your video on the timeline of YA dystopian novels (I'm currently in the middle of City of Ember and really enjoying it) and I'm glad I've learned about the original Battle Royale references before diving into it. I agree with everything you said, that trope shouldn't be incorporated lightly into stories. I'm often disappointed in authors when I notice missed opportunities to discuss some important topics that we can all benefit from thinking deeper about.
@devonelton5682
@devonelton5682 8 ай бұрын
My favorite death tournament trope book is the All of Us Villians series - it’s so good but not often talked about!!
@TheMellbell13
@TheMellbell13 8 ай бұрын
I just read this series! it's so much fun! I will say for anyone interested in reading it, the plot is less about the death tournament and more about the characters' relationships to each other and their town, so I don't know if I'd actually call it a battle royal trope. I highly recommend it though!
@valeriiamakhaeva4610
@valeriiamakhaeva4610 8 ай бұрын
I was checking comments just to see if anyone had recommended these books 💔
@Andrea-oj6fz
@Andrea-oj6fz 8 ай бұрын
I love these lecture/essay style videos! Thanks for all the work you put into them
@Zelletikkir
@Zelletikkir 5 ай бұрын
The career districts 1, 2, and 4 have a whole system for people to volunteer and it’s super common in those districts. It’s rare in district twelve though
@kelseybenham4005
@kelseybenham4005 8 ай бұрын
3% is a great show that does this concept very well
@maryssaflynn3208
@maryssaflynn3208 4 ай бұрын
Hunger games was definitely inspired bu coliseum/gladitorial fights. The coliseum was at least as one point intentionally flooded for a naval battle, plus their are so many reference to roman stuff, the whole bread thing with peeta, also fits in. I think you dont know enough about the arena and what went on, could this yave potentially been inspired by Battle Royale, yeah possibly but inspired by doesnt equal plagarized, it definitely has its iwn angle which was inspired a critique of modern American society with callbacks to the roman empire
@ianbabineau5340
@ianbabineau5340 2 ай бұрын
Steven King (as Richard Bachman) wrote The Long Walk. It was a spectator sport where teenagers entered a contest for ridiculous money. You walked and if you stopped or slowed too much you were shot. Technically same genre, and although I read it as a teen I don’t think it is a young adult book. It was pretty darn good. It’s more of a novelette (like half length standard novel), and it ended before it got boring.
@jecco4057
@jecco4057 7 ай бұрын
the lack of clear distinction between a "death tournament" and a "battle royale" and a "death game" (as mentionned in the quoted forum post) is very confusing and this video wouldve gained a lot of clarity from properly defining all these. especially when exemples are used that only make it muddier (since when is danganronpa a battle royale? or even a death tournament?? death GAME yes. the others, no) its also too bad running man was not mentionned at all- or the prize of peril for that matter. these are where hunger games gets it from (as well as battle royale, which IS mentionned but really shouldve been required READING to make this vid. teen deliquancy never factors into why the BR takes place) the comparison with sports fiction is very true though i tihnk it's missing the more straight-forward comparison with WAR. battle royale taking place in a totalitarian dictatorship after japan ("the republic of greater east asia") won its imperialist conquests is not a coincidence. a lot of death tournaments are also drawing from, and criticizing, the military death cult. i think missing this is also missing the author's perspective on why the death game is so popular in fiction. its an uniquely powerful allegorical tool- in the case of battle royale its putting these kids in a fight to the death because its what it EMOTIONALLY, FEELS LIKE, to go through school and exams in the japanese education system. exagerating the situation makes it easier to get to the emotional impact of things and what has more emotional impact than literal life or death? this is core to why the genre is so popular. school is a death game. work is a death game. reality TV is a death game, and so on. this allows you to show the fucked up nature of systems that have been normalized to your reader so they can question them again. what was said about where immortal longings failed (i personally havent read the book) reminded me a lot of death race 2000 lol but in a good way death race 2000 is a great movie about the american cult of violence and blood. its important that civilians are casualties to the titular death race, and its important that it happens in the open where its so normal for people to die from this race. people have to carry on with their jobs and put themselves in mortal danger its just their normal. and one of its characters is only participating so they can kill the president, again immortal longings reminded me a lot of this movie
@bambuu_
@bambuu_ 8 ай бұрын
i've been reading this trope a lot lately, what a coincidence! and perfect timing after work! 🥰🥰
@katierasburn9571
@katierasburn9571 8 ай бұрын
any good ones leoni didn't mention?
@maritareads5229
@maritareads5229 8 ай бұрын
@@katierasburn9571 A recent one is Chain Gang All-Stars by Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah
@LightningEnvy
@LightningEnvy 8 ай бұрын
So what you touched on about Suzanne Collins copying the Battle Royale. Besides the fact that the plots are similar and it wnds with 2 "winners" the part that stood out to me when i read both back to back, was the 2 fires and a bird call. In Battle Royale the have 2 fires set up that they then had a bird whistle they would blow to lead the guy who was saving his girlfriend back to them. Spoilers, he gets killed by his girlfriend explains the plan to her, but she is then killed by the final villian. In Hunger Games its used by Rue and Katniss to steal the food, they use the fires to distract from the stealing and meet up using the bird call. Then Rue dies. That is the most similar between both books
@paulafont4862
@paulafont4862 7 ай бұрын
Honestly if you had a podcast I would listen to it all the time. I already watch your videos multiple times just to hear you talk in the background while I'm studying
@maritareads5229
@maritareads5229 8 ай бұрын
I was literally reading the ballad of songbirds and snakes when this video popped up 😳 I wonder if you can do deep dive on the re-incarnation trope! I see it a lot in East Asian media (books and tv) but you'd be hard pressed to find it in the west
@takshatangudu8736
@takshatangudu8736 8 ай бұрын
Very trueee I love the trope as well
@ashleymckee4347
@ashleymckee4347 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, Red Rising did not feature a death tournament in the same way the hunger games did. Many people survive that tournament, it’s much more about learning how to survive war (without a lot of the tech from that world).
@elitettelbach4247
@elitettelbach4247 27 күн бұрын
Really appreciated the extra context on Battle Royales. Great video!
@evanjones9602
@evanjones9602 6 ай бұрын
Immortal Longings makes no sense, why isn't the battle royale in a specialized arena? The way the tournament works you can get more deaths than the number of tributes that go into the tournament!
@doraokeke3228
@doraokeke3228 8 ай бұрын
I love how educational and entertaining her videos are ✨✨🧚‍♀️💖💗
@Phoenix-np1iu
@Phoenix-np1iu 5 ай бұрын
my introduction to the hunger games I think I must have been 8 or 9. My sister and I were reading Suzanne Collins' much less well known series the underland chronicles, but my sister got her hands on the fourth book before me, and since we weren't allowed to have two copies of the same book out from the library when we were kids, I was absolutely livid. So my much older sister tried to placate me by handing me the hunger games to read. I did not get past 3 pages. I'm very thankful I didn't read it then because while I feel like I could handle some pretty intense violence in my stories, the real plot, themes, and messages of the hunger games would have been entirely lost on me.
@sansarya
@sansarya 8 ай бұрын
Panem et Circenses- bread and circuses- goes back to Roman Empire and gladiators, and probably before then. We still do it, every weekend with football, wrestling, boxing, any organized sports are some form of gladiator-style sport for entertainment to keep masses from rising up against injustice.
@thedamsnackbar2506
@thedamsnackbar2506 8 ай бұрын
I really really want to watch this video but I'm saving it for a rainy day. Adore you and your content Leonie, you always manage to make me feel giddy and relaxed at the same time with all of your videos 💙
@romaeraegan
@romaeraegan 6 ай бұрын
honestly death games are one of my favourite genres in media - i find it really interesting the different ways they're portrayed and the tactics displayed (if anyone has reccs please share - ive watched quite a bit of death games in anime but they usually disappoint so im looking to read the genre more)
@Todd5747
@Todd5747 5 ай бұрын
I remember playing a nes wrestlemania game as a kid and they had the "royal rumble" if i remember right, a game mode where like everyone got in the ring at once anf you just had to toss everyone out and keep from getting tossed. Everyone fought too but really that just was people trying not to get picked up and tossed. XD
@jamesduggan7200
@jamesduggan7200 8 ай бұрын
I've been enjoying your 'rambles' fora few years now. Thanks, and please continue :)
@rochellavanderwal9320
@rochellavanderwal9320 6 ай бұрын
Just found your channel and I've been obsessed by your vibe. Definitely here for the way you dissect your thoughts and word them. I could listen to you talk about random things for hours. Also your accent is so interesting to me, I figured that you weren't natively english, but would never have guessed Dutch, rather something Scandinavian. It's very nice and pretty.
@mariatejel4160
@mariatejel4160 8 ай бұрын
This video is incredible, I love your deep tropes discussion. I need a redemption and corruption arc videos! 💜💜💜💜
@lorettoponton7218
@lorettoponton7218 5 ай бұрын
Another example maybe The Long Walk by Stephen King. I know is not a juvenile genre and also not a lot of kids trying to kill each other but it is on its own way a death tournament where even the one that wins faces permanent trauma and psychological damage and the other people participating die from exhaustion or lots of problems on that thing. So, I though it was another example
@lalacoe8678
@lalacoe8678 3 ай бұрын
Tributes from district 1 and 2 volunteer a lot, they train and live for the games.
@ceilinh6004
@ceilinh6004 8 ай бұрын
Good timing on this video. I recently listened to a podcast about Battle Royale, so it's been on my mind. You make a lot of good points.
@noahkirschtein8169
@noahkirschtein8169 Ай бұрын
a HUGE thing you sadly missed about the hunger games and volunteering is that katniss is NOT the only volunteer. the careers from district 1 and 2 have trained their whole lives to participate and volunteer to bring honor to their district and family.
@M_D2
@M_D2 8 ай бұрын
Since tournaments are becoming so popular, what are some of your favorite books without the tournament arc?
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change 8 ай бұрын
You mean fantasy books that don't have a tournament? Well, if you still want the life or death stakes and morally grey characters doing questionable things to survive, then Six of Crows and Crooked Kingdom (the Dregs duology) is awesome. It's not exactly recent, but I would recommend those books for literally anything like enemies to lovers? Six of Crows. Pining and Will-They-Won't-They? Six of Crows. Grumpy Sunshine? Six of Crows...I could keep going on and on
@tendashou
@tendashou 8 ай бұрын
i love watching your videos so much you've motivated me to get back into reading more as well as writing
@faye9839
@faye9839 8 ай бұрын
I loved this video I’m a huge Hunger Games fan! Thank you for all your hard work researching this topic ❤
@bookybook
@bookybook 8 ай бұрын
such a good video! Would love to watch more videos in the styles with deep dives in other Genres
@brentblake3471
@brentblake3471 8 ай бұрын
Honest question: what was the duration between finished assembly of the desk and riding it like an elevator?
@starmoalitiny
@starmoalitiny 7 ай бұрын
Hey!! LOVE your content, can you make a playlist on your channel with all your deep dive/retrospective videos?
@ferlizano
@ferlizano 8 ай бұрын
Been binging this videos as well as her vlog channel and I’m so obsessed with the fall vibes ♥️
@sliceoflife4283
@sliceoflife4283 8 ай бұрын
I’m planning to watch as many as i can of your videos because my english needs improvement and you have a pretty interesting vocabularies + topics ❤
@loradunn6209
@loradunn6209 7 ай бұрын
I am really enjoying these videos
@myangeljin_
@myangeljin_ 8 ай бұрын
I'd want a deep dive in the trope of amnesia/memory loss. Its the one that give me the irks and I cant seem to enjoy, but in the only few examples where I thought it was well done, the manga became my favorite (tokyo ghoul and tokyo ghoul:re)
@zzs463
@zzs463 7 ай бұрын
I watched an anime called Amnesia and it was so creepy 😅 Tokyo ghoul too
@sandilemlambo5701
@sandilemlambo5701 7 ай бұрын
I love how you handle this topic
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