The Secret Desert Wisdom Every Man Needs | The Catholic Gentleman

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The Catholic Gentleman

2 жыл бұрын

In this episode of The Catholic Gentleman, Sam and John unpack the tremendously rich patrimony the desert fathers have given the world but are lost in the west. We are joined by the knowledgable and experienced director, Fr. David Abernethy (An Oratorian), to go back to the roots of this spiritual tradition that is unmatched in its ability to overcome temptations and grow in unity with Christ. Learn how to actually strengthen your will, unite your heart and mind, and how a life not working on frequent asceticism can never fully achieve the unity with God that is possible before death.
In this episode we discuss;
• How even Catholic conversations online add to the noise of the world
• How ascetical practices are greater than mere reparation for sins
• How Eastern Spirituality must be renewed in study and practice
• The problem with priests today
• And More
Fr. David Abernethy was born in Johnstown PA and is a Father of The Oratory of Saint Philip Neri in Pittsburgh. Father David converted to Catholicism as an undergraduate at the University of Pittsburgh, where he earned his Bachelors Degree. He also holds Masters Degrees in Sacred Theology and Divinity and has spent many years as a priest studying clinical counseling and Psychoanalysis at the Pittsburgh Psychoanalytic Center where he is an academic candidate. In 1987 the Philokalia was given to Father David as a gift; this gift sparked a love for the Desert Fathers and Eastern Spirituality that Father David has developed for over thirty years. He has a particular interest in the works of Saint John Cassian, Saint John Climacus and Saint Isaac the Syrian.
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@frdavidabernethy
@frdavidabernethy 2 жыл бұрын
Sam and John - It was a real pleasure to work with both of you and to have the opportunity to talk about the Fathers. God bless your ministry and hopefully we can collaborate in the future.
@shepherdessinthefray
@shepherdessinthefray 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having Father David Abernathy. He was my first introduction to an entire world of Christianity that I never had known existed in my first 26 odd years growing up Lutheran. I am now in RCIA and I cannot get enough of the desert fathers and other spiritual teachings of our beautiful true faith. Glory to Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Amen. It was excellent having him on and both of us gained a lot. Thanks for watching!
@judithcullinane9312
@judithcullinane9312 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful! Awesome! Thank you!
@mariag3605
@mariag3605 9 ай бұрын
God bless you Father David and interviewers. This is one of the most meaningful, eloquent, articulate and powerful 'orators' I've ever heard❤Thank you❤❤❤
@AlfieP-ob5ww
@AlfieP-ob5ww 10 ай бұрын
I needed this 45 years ago
@jerrymodeste5900
@jerrymodeste5900 10 ай бұрын
Thank you guys for all you do here!
@WittgensteinsBeetle
@WittgensteinsBeetle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having this conversation. I particularly appreciated it as a former Orthodox who was received into the Melkite Eparchy a few months ago. One can be both Catholic and Eastern.
@AppealToHeaven
@AppealToHeaven 11 ай бұрын
I've been following Fr. Abernethy's recordings on Isaac the Syrian and Cassian thru another popular Catholic website (won't reference their name here out of respect for you) for many months now and love it. I was a Benedictine novice 10 yrs ago, didnt persevere, but have been HANGRY for Desert Fathers ever since. Much needed in our day and age. Thanks for having him...hope you have him back.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 11 ай бұрын
Thanks be to God. He is incredible and I am blessed to know him. His recent conversation on fasting inside our CG+ platform was phenomenal and inspiring. God bless you, -John
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
We had a great time with Fr. David Abernethy. Let us know anything you appreciated hearing in the comments.
@JoeAdams
@JoeAdams Жыл бұрын
This video was something that I absolutely needed. I have long felt the desire to "go into the desert" but never really had a tangible or useful way of approaching this (small-v) vocation or calling. Thank you Sam and John for having Fr Abernathy on your show and allowing him to elucidate something that I have long felt drawn to and now know where I can go for further reflection and, God willing, more fully engage in a life that I have long felt drawn to.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman Жыл бұрын
@JoeAdams This is great to hear. Truly, this was an episode that changed my view of the active work I have been doing for the Kingdom and for holiness. It has brought more purpose to my practices and discipline and I am grateful for Fr. Abernathy. He is going to be our guest expert on catholicgentlemanplus.com in the month of August. Blessings and Prayers to you as you continue to pursue holiness.
@ChevySpeedAddict
@ChevySpeedAddict 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this conversation, especially as an Eastern Catholic. I live about an hour north of Pittsburgh and I'd LOVE to meet Father David some time. The pandemic and my personal family situation has made it very difficult to have the intimate ties to the Church that I so desperately need, and this helps a lot.
@johnmmjj3162
@johnmmjj3162 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. This was incredible. I started reading the Philokalia a couple months ago and have been seeking a modern Catholic perspective incorporating this spirituality (I don’t really want to become Orthodox). So this talk, and Fr. Abernethy’s work, has been a godsend. Big thanks to ‘The Catholic Gentlemen’ for doing this.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Praise God. Thanks for the comment. Father has such clear and excellent responses for all of us to hear. Blessings!
@dezmondaigilo
@dezmondaigilo 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Literally what the spirit has been telling me these past 2 days.
@mikeoscar776
@mikeoscar776 2 жыл бұрын
This was a wonderful episode, gentleman! I didn't listen to it all in one go, but I'm very happy to have finally finished it! :) A wonderful episode, thank you. And God bless you all!
@mjkelly9999
@mjkelly9999 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I hope there is a part 2 and 3!
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Amen. Thanks for watching! - John
@samfletcher1617
@samfletcher1617 2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent! Please make this a series and not just a one time event.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Sam. I hope that we can. Blessings - John
@toddcarver1430
@toddcarver1430 2 жыл бұрын
What a blessing. I'm going to have to listen to this again and take notes. And, please have Fr. Abernethy back; you guys work very well together. Looking forward to diving into those 400+ podcasts; where to begin? Thank you for showing how asceticism is a real path (or tool) to a deeper relationship with Jesus Christ and the meaning of this eternal journey with Him. Peace.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, Todd. It was incredibly rewarding to us as well. The depth of his knowledge brought a new meaning of these topics to us. Blessings in Christ.
@supersonictrip
@supersonictrip 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@sayahhhhhhhhh
@sayahhhhhhhhh 2 жыл бұрын
The journey is strange. Ascetism appeals to me for practical reason. Just like millenials have embraced fasting. However, I did Exodus 90 that forced me to do some ascetic practices. Guess what? It continued on... hence i'm watching this video. In between, my own practice and enlightenment has shown me that it is time for me to meet where my Lord is. I have always made him come to me. Going to him is the ascetic part. Because he said that where he is, his servants will be. I never fully realized the meaning of that until I actually did something where I go at a distance at a time inconvenient just to meet him. A Danish proverb says, "A friend's place is never far." Something I need to learn. Great video.
@dezmondaigilo
@dezmondaigilo 2 жыл бұрын
I am so blessed by this🙏🏾thank you. This was a great reaffirmation.
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. Fr. David Abernethy was an excellent guest that we would both like to have on again. God bless you.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 жыл бұрын
Contemplative/quiet/hesychastic prayer can only be known by practicing and experiencing it. You can read about and reference it to get a basic understanding of it before you start practicing it. Whereas reading about it stirs up the intellectual reasoning process, practicing contemplation quiets the intellect and puts the reasoning process to rest. It is an experiential state of mind. The external and internal sensations are disciplined by the ascetical aspect of contemplation. The mind rests in that the mind's attention ceases to be captured and carried away by the sense perceptions. But the mind remains alert and generally aware, merely watching but not engaging in the dynamic or drama that is occurring in the soul or psyche. The mind watches or is aware of the urges, emotions, thoughts and images in the awareness. But the mind neither desires to entertain them nor desires to push them away. Desire, aversion, fear, anger, discomfort come to rest. The attention learns not to be carried away by trains of thought or captured by images. This is the purification aspect of contemplation. The mind becomes aware of the anatomy of the soul and the dynamic in the psyche. When the psyche rests, the soul's self-inflicting ailments cease. Contemplation is healing also. The theory is that the Spirit dwells in the inner chamber of the soul, the center of the heart. This chamber is veiled or hidden behind the clutter in the soul which needs illuminating and cleaning before it can be discovered. Like the woman who lost the silver coin, lit a lamp, and cleaned house in order to find that which she had lost. She represents the intellect, her house represents the soul, the lamp represents contemplation, finding the coin represents reunion with what the heart treasures. The awareness no longer distracted by and attending to sensations, urges, emotions, thoughts, and images in the mind, can then find and enter its inner chamber where the Spirit awaits and rests. Contemplative prayer is the Sabbath rest of prayer.
@sshealy1
@sshealy1 2 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend an introductory book or writing on this subject which you beautifully wrote so we can learn more?
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 жыл бұрын
@@sshealy1 To practice it, go to a quiet dark or low lit room. Sit in a comfortable chair. I sit in a hammock chair. You can sit on a mat. You can lie down. With the latter you risk falling asleep. Remind yourself there is nothing in the next hour you need. God has provided all your needs. All your needs can wait. Be grateful. Any want you may have or that may arise are not needs. They can also wait. There is no need to desire anything outside yourself or inside yourself as in urges, feelings or thoughts. There is no need to be averse to anything. There is no need to desire to avoid anything inside or outside yourself. Remind yourself you are already satisfied. You don't need to do any physical or mental work to make anything happen. God has accomplished all the work. Remind yourself all you need to do is rest your body and mind, thoughts and emotions. There is no need to think about something to make something happen. There is no need to desire something to happen. There is no need to desire something not to happen. There is no need to desire. There is no need to desire not to desire. There is no need to force anything to happen. There is no need to force anything not to happen. There is no need to go after anything as in urges, emotions, images, or thoughts. There is no need to push those things away either. There is no need to analyse feelings or thoughts. There is no need to jump on a train of thoughts. There is no need to resolve any questions that arise. There is no need to solve any problems that arise in your thoughts. There is no need for that ceaseless inner dialoguing with yourself. There is no need to fix any mistakes you make that you inevitably will make countless times in your thinking as you try not to think. Thinking is recalling past experiences from your memory. Thinking is referencing in the mind by pulling up visual images and verbal thoughts. It is comparing and contrasting. All those things occurring in the mind take mental effort or work. The mind is to be in an effortless state of awareness where it is alert, watching the dynamic occuring in the mind, soul, or psyche. When your awareness dispassionately and objectively and disinterestedly observes or experiences the subjective urges, emotions, images, thoughts that arise, the awareness no longer is captured or carried away or raptured by them. Awareness takes no effort. It is a resting, calm, peaceful experience of the perceptions in the psyche. It is when the awareness shows deference to any urge, feeling or thought that it becomes focused or attentive and gets carried away. Attention is captured or focused awareness. Attention shows deference. It becomes enslaved by desire, aversion, fear, anger, thoughts or anything else requiring satisfaction. Attention goes to work. Awareness is already at rest. It comes naturally and easily. It is free from deferencing. It just is. It experiences all it takes in without being under compulsion, like attention, to satisfy. It needs not to become anything or be attracted to anything or be averse to anything. Awareness is an alert, equanimitous, experiential, nonreferencing, nonthinking, nonstriving, restful state of mind. It is already in a state of satisfaction. Attention that follows the unsatisfied urges, emotions and thoughts, is not satisfied and pulls awareness away from its peace. Contemplation in theory requires no work. Yet we can't understand that, so everyone who starts it, works at understanding it and works at trying to accomplish it. We do the very opposite thing we ought to do. Instead of resting in our awareness which is already satisfied, we get to work attending to the very desire to accomplish or satisfy a misunderstanding we have of contemplation. Other desires, urges, feelings, and thoughts arise and put our attention to work also. So our attention will all too often be distracted away from our peaceful already satisfied awareness. So our attention needs to learn to remain with its awareness and not be carried away. It needs to be disciplined. It needs some sort of technique to keep it focused on one thing. It needs a technique to bring it back to its awareness which will need to occur countless times until it learns to remain where it started. In contemplative discipline, our attention thinks it needs something other than what it already has. It seeks something but moves away from the very thing it is seeking. To bring the attention back at rest and prevent it from wandering again and again, it needs one focus, a discipline, a technique. Once that is mastered, it too needs to be let go of for the attention to reside and remain with the awareness. There are various techniques such as the repetitious Jesus Prayer or a sacred word or a intuitive sense of God's presence for the attention to return to every time it wanders. If it wanders 7 times, bring it back 7 times. If it wanders 70 x 7 times, bring it back 70 x 7 times. But be gentle and patient each time. If you get perturbed or disturbed, your putting too much effort or work into it. That is counter productive. If your frustration or disappointment or dissatisfaction steals away your attention, gently and patiently bring it back. This will teach your spiritedness to become poor-in-spirit, meek and mild, calm and compassionate, persistent not insistent, willing not willful, blessed. All the above is the purification process for the soul which will lead to insight then onto enlightenment or inner illumination. And we haven't even gotten to the unitive stage of the soul with the divine.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 жыл бұрын
Theoria article in religionwikia and contemplative prayer article in wikipedia give overviews.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 жыл бұрын
@@jbeauty4150 Practicing Buddhism is more than merely meditating. Practicing Christianity is more than contemplation or hesychasm. Though contemplation and meditation can be described in common psychological terminology, and they both experience inner illumination or enlightenment, they view the unitive experience differently, and Christianity and Buddism view God differently, view Jesus and Buddha differently, and, though their ethics are similar, their ethics are not exactly the same.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 жыл бұрын
@@jbeauty4150 I suspect we would be experiencing similar psychological phenomena of disciplining/purifying/unencumbering the psyche, and gaining insight and enlightenment in the psyche, but whether we encounter God in some manner could vary as it would depend on God also. We can seek, knock, and ask, but we can't force the door open and barge in. The door has to be opened on the inside and we have to wait for the invitation before we gain entrance.
@antonyabishek6596
@antonyabishek6596 2 жыл бұрын
The church has always hesitated when It.came to hesychasm... silencing of the passions... like a zero mind zen thing... i have personally felt the great stability of the west that you would skeptically look at hesychasm... read john ruysbroeck about the hesychasts... not to discredit the eastern fathers , I love them... but I think the great boast of Rome that it has not fallen comes true in this as well...
@catholicrakelle
@catholicrakelle 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great episode! 🤯
@TheCatholicGentleman
@TheCatholicGentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! We both gained a lot by the conversation as well! I pray you are blessed! - John
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