You could also fist bump. That's what we do at my club.

anything besides a brotherly hug is gay. you are brothers in arms, embrace your fellow man

Good call!

Weird rules for this event. My club was not too happy about it.

Marcus Octavius Search for "AHF duels" in KZfaq if you want something that closely resembles a duel.

This event had interesting rules. Im training for tourneys and we train for doubles for sure and recovering.

Marcus Octavius Very difficult to avoid kamikazee tactics. The Nordic ruleset is usually double equals no points, hit and then afterblow equals points corresponding to what you hit. So if I attack your leg and hit, and you hit my head before I'm out (one tempo), you'll get more points as you scored a better hit. HEMA needs to avoid one ruleset. Different rule sets with lead to different tactics. And every ruleset can be gamed. Olympic fencing also tried to discourage kamikazee tactics but failed. And I I think any ruleset will fail, if there's just one rule set. By using different rule sets for different comps, you need to adapt, and it's more difficult to game. For sure; some matches could just be; first deep hit you win/lose, but that doesn't necessarily eliminate kamikazee tactics. Far from. If I know a double cancels it and first deep hit wins the match; the first opening for a deep hit is what you'll rush in for, even if it means a high risk of either a non deep hit, or a double which will cancel it anyway. If we say a double means match over and no points, yeah then you might see more defensive tactics. But not necessarily; inexperienced will often rush, and kamikazee is difficult to defend against. Continuous fencing in S&B with wrestling where you might stop the match and reset every time; Won a grapple, clearly lethal hit, etc might work, then give points for the hits you saw each do in the meantime. But S&B is difficult to judge. But would be interesting. Anyway, suicidal tactics are difficult to beat, but, far from impossible. You'll get hit a couple of times but still win. And if you look at the types of hits; many kamikazees will hit with cuts that won't end you, or thrusts not in vital areas. Overall; experiment with different rule sets all the time. HEMA is not about who won X tournament. But tournaments provide very good opportunity for development. And since many are ofcourse very competitive; if you can win with different rule sets against different styles, you're a better fighter than one who only can win with one particular rule set. IMO.

@@joachimb9305 Very wise. I do think that if historicity is of interest, it's not a terribly bad idea to allow some degree of kamikaze tactics. I say so because it is indeed difficult in real life to defend versus someone who does not fear for their own safety and only wants to land a hit. I agree that you do need a system that encourages landing hits without a trade though. Ideally you would want a system where a sophisticated and athletic fighter can punish a kamikaze for not being defensive enough after the initial hit. One option might be a priority system where hits to extreme parts of the body such as the crown, forearms, shins, shoulders, etc are considered a lower priority or award fewer points compared to hits to more easily-defended vital areas and to the face. This way a strong fighter can present less-vital targets to the attacker, and if the attacker is not sharp in a fast melee, or lunges too greedily, he will be considered to have lost the round. Another question is how large the grace period should be for a returned hit to be considered a trade. In terms of simulating combat, this one is debatable, because people can have various reactions to receiving a wound, and it is pain, fear, and shock which generally most interrupt someone's ability to continue defending themselves. Then there is the perspective of sport, and creating a system which is practical to judge and score. Ideally, we would like a system which provides equal incentives to hit-and-runs and rapid melee and wrestling exchanges. In practice, it is much more difficult to soundly judge which player should be considered the victor in a rapid melee, because such situations necessarily involve many hits between both fighters at a rapid pace. This is probably a situation where although there may be potential to create good reenactments or simulations, it may not be compatible with a true sport. That said, I suspect that simply adding the priority system to trades can hardly do any harm. A longer grace period requires having a more effective exit strategy, but if the grace period is too long, there must be a system to make sure the defender does not have the option of simply going kamikaze in return to force a trade. Another possibility is allow a tug-of-war system where fighters are allowed to retreat from the circle without losing the round, but doing so shifts the tug of war one point in the opponent's favor. Let us say that the balance starts at neutral. Let us say that if you have disadvantage, you may no longer retreat, but you can reset the balance either by winning a round or if your opponent retreats.

Don't know what jacket offhand. Drop Blood & Iron a line as they probably will know better.

I don't really get why people call it armor, it's just a padded jacket, reinforced fencing mask and gloves, and shin guards. As far as does it hurt...I would assume so because the weapons are steel, even synthetics you can usually feel through the padding. If they were wearing armor, they you wouldn't be able to feel it at all but that's not we want in HEMA because we want the fighters to be safe but we also want it to be made clear that getting hit at all is a very bad thing and with armor, you wouldn't be able to tell if you got hit or not.

Don't worry 'bout it found it in the rules!

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Cody Carter hell no he deserved that win if someone gets hurt oh well

Griswold won the match on points. The video editing is confusing because it shows the points being awarded to the wrong fighter. Griswold was winning when dealt Kime the last blow to the leg. Kime was limping after the exchange, but his shout indicated his willingness to continue fighting. However, by that point the time had run out.

If somebody forfeits they should act like it ended normally and count points

Agreed. There are similar problems in longsword but its getting better

Geoff Boxell Because three of those have almost no place in historical swordplay and grappling shouldn't be expected to happen in every match That said, I'm not very happy with the state of sword and buckler fencing at the moment in tournaments. Your reasons aren't why, though

I would also like to see that. But it's also good to see a ruleset that is more specialized to one area; compare boxing and mixed martial arts. In MMA you need to know the many aspects of unarmed combat, but in boxing the focus is 100% on punches while standing up only. This allows for a single skillset to develop and excel, allowing for displays of ability in an area that may otherwise have been an average display.

It's not really of a priority. For example, there are only a couple techniques for grappling in I.33, and it results in a disarm or throw.

This isn't MMA not everyone wants to get into a jiu jitsu match when its supposed to be a sword fight.

@@rc59191 Sword & buckler isn't just a sword fight though.