When you are so hyped for the video that even duellogs forgot to do the intro

7:45 "Combo well with the Tenyi engine." Something is rising, and it's definitely Mr. SpiderLogs duel passion.

It actually makes sense for Archnemeses Protos to have destruction protection so it can't destroy itself with its own effect if it targets Dark attribute monsters. Also idea: Top 10 Cards that cannot be used because another card is banned - like NeoBubbleman being useless because Metamorphosis is banned.

Top 10 cards that Dont understand how their own Archetype works

I got shivers on my back hearing EVA and immediately knew what was coming

Video idea: Best banned cards not banned in master duel

Why the hell did KZfaq suggest this series when I haven't played this game in 15 years and why did I just watch this video?! Also.... nice video.

Simorgh is such a scourge in MD, I once got trapped behind a board with Sim, Apex Avian, AND Thunderbird.

Honestly for Imperial Order I would change it's effect to either: - Only spell cards that target this card can be activated, so that it can still be taken out by the spell cards, or - Both players can only activate one spell card per turn, to achieve the same effect but give a little more leeway if they don't have the negate in hand right away

amazing how many of this cards can be fixed with hard once per turn and you cant use this card for link summons

Damn wouldn't it be crazy if konami released a game with all of these cards unbanned? Just imagine how annoying the meta would be.

As someone who wanted to make a Fish deck, now I understand why Blaster was banned.

Imperial order could be changed to "if a spell card is activated, pay X lifepoints (no choice) and negate the activation. And at the end of each turn, take x dmg." That way, while it would be resourve intensive for the enemy, you are on a timer. And if they are spell heavy,they could force the floodgate to break. Not to mention they can force you to low lifepoints. So imperial order has a sort of Maxx C risk attached to it. That the opponent can try use it against you by forcing you to, draw your deck (in maxx c case), or burn you to 0 LP through your own card. Not sure if thats a good idea though. Considering how Maxx C is so game defining that its banned.

Ever notice how a lot of cards could be taken off the banlist if they had a hard once per turn

I remember when Mind Master came out. It was came out really early when they just released psychic type monster And even with how few and mediocre 1st wave psychic monsters is, Mind Master is still a problem card back then

If Yugioh wants to keep doing this they could just add "Skip your draw phase" as part of maintenance cost in exchange for a powerful effect.

The Barrier Statues are just a few cards away from being broken or problematic. All it takes is a way to search them out or special summon them from the deck and bam! Your opponent doesn't get to play Yugioh unless they are lucky enough to be playing the exact Attribute Deck of a given statue. Dear god.

I am always kind of sad that almost all those cards in these lists are not banned in Master Duel / OCG

For Eva I think the best way to change it would simply make it a +1 instead so it can still be played by other fairy decks while drytons, even when you have the out, don’t get a orange light negate in hand. You could also set a limitation where it needs 2 or 3 fairies in the GY to activate its effect. Making it have to leave the field changes the card’s purpose too much I think

I was playing bird up before the simorgh ban, and I almost always properly link summon simorgh. Typically it was ferrijit plus a bird. Preferably nerval

Ah, seeing so many cards I've come to hate in Master duel getting banned in the actual card game just reaffirms my choice to stop playing until they come out with an updated ban list for MD. Great video

The arguably best way to fix imperial order is to just delay the effect and restrict when it can be used. Make it a "can only be used during the main phase" deal then make it so the effect only starts to take place during the next turn, giving your opponent a full turn to get rid of it either face down or shortly after you activate it. It would probably mean anyone looking to resolve it now needs to have some back row protection of sort to avoid having it nuked, but it means there's a way to play around it without being stuck instantly in a unwinnable scenario. When future fusion pre-nerf existed, it was banned due to how it was free graveyard setup in a similar fashion to painful choice, and they fixed it by delaying it's effect so the opponent can just nuke it before it resolves. That approach could easily fix imperial order while the "main phase only" is to prevent a " pop it during a end phase to have the effect active right away asap".

Imagine thinking a semi-generic link 3 summoning a floodgate from the deck and making it untargetable is only a problem because of tri brigade

The thing about simorgh is that even if they give it the avremax restriction tri brigade can still summon it too easily. Fraktall effect drop nerval search Kitt summon kit active kit Harpie conductor link kit Harpie conductor into simorgh just as an example. That's a 1 card combo that gets you simorgh plus whatever simorgh is taking out of the deck, plus battle destruction protection tri brigade spell to stop your linked winged beast from being destroyed by battle which is important for barrier statue to keep it from being killed by your opponents normal summon. Still too strong

Congratulations on this two year journey finally coming to an end. Excellent video as always. Though, correct me if I'm wrong, you never covered Zoodiac Barrage. It was the only change to the forbidden list in October 2021, and I don't recall it being in any of the 'Banned Cards' videos.

Protos could probably be fixed by giving its floodgate an errata that requires it to be face-up on the field and not having its effect negated to be in effect.

The LP cost on Imperial Order is a good idea. There are effects that halve or subtract life points by a certain amount as opposed to physically reducing them. If the effect to pay life points was worded a little differently like it is in those cards then that might actually be a pretty fair fix.

Protoss' floodgate could end after the opponent's battle phase, that could be a reasonable compromise.

Was a nice trip through the ban list... Fun trivia: one of the first restriction lists of YuGiOh had, talking you at the time where Pharaoh's Servant, the booster pack that has Thousand Eyes Restrict in the cover was brand new or about to be released, that you can have one Pot of Greed and two Graceful Charity.

One thing I think they could probably do for IO is give it an effect where "If this card is targeted by a card effect, destroy this card." Even if cards like Twin Twister or MST gets negated, it getting targetted would still destroy it.

Love to see TheDuelLogs talk about meta archetype.

As someone who runs a Simorgh deck it bites to hear it was banned in TCG because of tribrigades

It’s so odd to hear you talk about banned cards from recent banlists since you’ve gone over so many old cards haha Please do these again when we have more cards banned. Maybe even do a series like this for the limited list?

An alternative change for Imperial order could be a cost of half your life points, it would still maintain its original purpose, but you would essentially be made of glass to any battle or burn focused deck, making it high risk to activate.

I play Simorgh Lyrillusc in Master Duel, so having Big Bird back in the TCG would be a dream come true for me.

As for Imperial Order, even some decks that used spells were using it. By just using up all your own spells and then setting it, you can stop your opponent from doing the same thing. Like, why should you care you can’t use your spells to set up anymore when you’re already setup? Though of course it was only for decks that just mostly used them for searching or summoning from grave and didn’t heavily rely on them like with Sky Striker.

This series inspired me to make a banlist binder, i now have every banned card in current yugioh lol

Protos can actually be reliably summoned in Unchained because of the two twins who are fire and water respectively. Fun jank in Master Duel

As for imperial order, how about making it only negate the first spell card activated each turn instead of every spell card while also increasing the lp cost? That way it would more be a "tax" to spell heavy decks that has actual counterplay than a full lockdown. Also maybe make it so it can only be activated during the standby phase so it can't just be chained to spell cards, an ability which currently makes it like a buffed up Solemn Judgement for spells. So the final version would be like this: "can only be activated at the beginning of a standby phase. The first time a player activates a spell card during each turn, negate that spell card. During each standby phase, pay 1000 lp (not optional) or this card is destroyed.

So now its time for the 13 hour video on all banned cards

Fishborg Blaster was sweet in frog monarchs, synchro summoning level 8’s for days

A thought: What if at opponent's end phase they could pay same LP amount to destroy it?

They could change Imperial Order to limit the number of spells played in a turn as opposed to stopping spells from being played completely that way if you opponent does have an MST or other removal they can get rid of it. If they are going to change it like that they might as well just make a retrain if a card that does this doesn't already exist.

The intro: *adios*

Simorgh is strong, but the consensus seems to be that the problem is the wind barrier statue, as it's still surched out in flunder. Lyricsusc is the the strongest version of tri-brigade, but the release of ensemblue Robin is a strong enuf replacement that deck will not stop seeing play.

10:54. Drytrons!!! *PTSD from Master Duel activates*

I play Imperial Order in True Draco on Master Duel. It really is great value, even if you do use your own Spell Cards - you simply tribute the Imperial Order for a True Draco summon when you need your Spells.

how about this as a fix for Imperial Order: activate by discarding a spell card and a maintenance cost of banishing 2 spell card s from grave and/or hand.

I'm really curious why Jet Synchron is unlimited in the OCG and Master Duel but flat out banned in the TCG?

Easiest fix to Imperial Order: When a player resolves a spell card, they may pay 700 lifepoints or the effect is negated. This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of spell cards.

I think a good errata to Imperial Order would be the restriction that while you control it you also can’t activate or control trap cards. Decks like Dragon Link did fine with a restriction like this when Sekka’s Light was at 3. It was the only spell played in the deck and the deck focused on building a strong monster focused end board.

Imperial order errata: negate the first 2 spellcards from each player during either players turn and the same maintenance

My Imperial Order fix that would absolutely nuke its use in floodgate decks, it's something that we've been doing for ages in monsters but for some reason it hasn't been used on backrow so much: -This is the only spell/trap that you can control OR -This is the only spell/trap you can have face-up on the field

I used Eva in a Herald of Perfection deck. It was very helpful, but limiting Benten to 1 is what really hurt the deck.

Ah yes, my favorite main deck monster, Simorgh, Bird of Sovereignty

Even if Simorgh could only be properly summoned, it would still be extemely powerful. The Tribrigade Lyrilusc deck would usually hard make Simorgh anyway with Ferrijit plus any bird.

Great analysis video! It's kind of a shame to see this series end! Thanks so much for uploading!

man i should’ve been running 3 simorgh in the main deck before he got banned

It would be interesting to see imperial Order become 'Negate all spell effects that do not target Imperial Order'. So it's STILL a floodgate but it's a floodgate that doesn't protect itself from targeted removal.

I have absolutely no knowledge of YuGiOh (more of a BuddyFight player myself) but I'm watching because my friend is really into it and I wanna be able to talk about it with him Watching these banned combos clueless but very fascinated

Explaining all the banned cards slowly turns into “Why a HOPT isn’t always enough to make a card at least somewhat fair.”.

Think a good fix to IO would be to put a restriction where it can be the only trap card active on your field. Basically something like; "This card can only be activated if you control no face-up trap cards. You cannot activate other trap cards while this card is face-up on the field." This cuts its potential decks down significantly since it'd lock out both player's spells and your own traps as well.

Maybe the effect of imperial order could be something of a cost for it's use, rather than a cost for it's upkeep, it might have to be a retrain, but something as simple as "During your opponents turn, when a spell card is activated, you take 2000 damage, then negate and destroy the effect" might be enough. This way it's dangerous to use, but can still be used as a powerful floodgate- of course this means if they play 4 spell cards you instantly lose, which means it can still shut down decks, but, if they run lots of spells, there's a chance you just killed yourself by going first cause only 4 of their 6 cards need to be spells to OTK you with your own effect. This way it takes a LOT more setup to actually use as a floodgate, and can actively hurt you if your opponent just uses a bunch of spells in one turn. It probably would see very little if any competitive play, but would still work as a powerful floodgate, with the cost not being maintenance, or stopping yourself, but the chance your own card may just kill you through your opponent's actions.

Love how you pronounced Coelacanth correctly without skipping a beat

Imagine if Drytron still had Eva that would just be stupid.

In master duel. For the simorgh monster, there is a mist valley monster that has an effect when it's returned back to the hand you can special summon it to your field (not once per turn). With lyrilusc tri- brigade , you can summon union carrier after summoning the simorgh , equip this mist valley monster and with the lvl 7 monster you can return it back then special summoning itself back on the field creating infinite loop of negating.

This came out with time to spare before he has to do another video lol. I'm sure we'll be seeing another one real soon, especially since there's real life sanctioned Yugioh coming back

It'll be exciting to see if there's just one long supercut video encompassing all of these into one long video. Be a nice thing to have in the background I suppose.

10 cards that banned for shortest duration

what are the odds you uploaded video right after I started watching your go to sleep playlist to make work go by faster

I can't believe I've been going up against banned cards this whole time

Great video! Simorgh could actually make Harpie decks playable in a rogue/tier 2 scenario. I really hope it's unbanned at some point.

no intro, barely an outro... love it

Aside from Skill drain, DNA transplant could another possible counter to protos' effect, By activating it in response to the effect to change 1 of your own monsters to any attribute other than the attribute declared for protos' effect, though the monster would still need enough atk to destroy protos, though DNA transplant is just a prevention measure, to give a monster a chance to take protos down.

Maybe you could add a clause to imperial order that says "Negates the effects of spell cards, unless they would remove this card from the field" so that it's not protected against it's outs? Still not fun to play against but at least you can remove it.

0:51 Coalecanth was unknown to me. Good Good job!

I'm so happy to see Archnemeses Protos there

I think the best way to fix Imperial Order is to apply the effect during the turn player it is activated while having the choice of maintaining the card. That way, the opponent still has the right to activate spell cards either during their turn or our turn.

hmm, I dont think making simorgh’s effect only work if he is actually link summoned would cut it. Bird Up would most of the time summon this card without cheating it anyway. That being said that deck was already hit really hard when they put starling to 1, so who knows.

Add a banish from hand facedown at random cost to Imperial order each standby and on activation instead of the life point cost. I think a random face down banish from hand would fix a lost of cards that even a hard once per turn can't fix.

Imperial Order could probably come off the ban list if the life point cost was handled like cumulative upkeep in magic the gathering. The turn it comes out: 700 lp, turn 2: 1400 lp, turn 3: 2100 lp and so on

For Fishborg Blaster, I would instead errata it so that it can only be used as a material (for any Extra Deck summon) for a Water monster...but then I realized the one Link Monster 99+% of the time this will go into, Halq, IS a Water Monster, so I would add a restriction that the player can only Special Summon Water monsters the turn Fishborg Blaster's (1) effect is used.

If I had a dollar for every time the description of a banned main deck monster started with “X is a level 1 Tuner” I’d be a rich man.

How about tribute for cost? Imperial Order Continuous Trap "Tribute 1 effect monster; Negate all Spell effects on the field. Once per turn, during the Standby Phase, you must Tribute 1 monster (this is not optional), or this card is destroyed. You cannot activate this card as Chain Link 2 or higher."

I have literally never heard of seaborg blaster but after seeing its effect all i thought was "librarian"

There is a way to make Imperial Order usable again : Let it be accessible for both players and both players have to pay LP to keep the card on the field(just like Chicken Game) or it gets destroyed. The player whom paid their LP to keep that card will negate their opponent's Spell Cards until the end of the opponent's next turn. This way, both players whom faces Imperial Order will have to make two choices : Either skip a turn from using Spell Cards(by not paying the LP), or deny their opponent from using Spell Card(pay the LP to keep it active on the field). Given how players whom uses Imperial Order in their Decks never had to rely on Spell Cards in the first place, it would be fair that the LP cost should range about 2000-3000 LP per use. It will still be a powerful card, but not as broken as it currently is right now.

and then there is master duelist where the majority of this list is playable for some ungodly reason

I went up against Simorgh once in master duel and couldnt believe that such a card existed. Glad to know thats its banned outside of master duel

I'd personally argue that Mind Master doesn't even need a hard once per turn. Cards like Lonefire Blossom do the same thing for plants but are only a soft once per turn. Even with just that weak restriction, Mind Master's power level would just drop so greatly that I think it'd be fine

Imperial Order change: make it similar to Swords of Revealing Light? So it only lasts say 3 of your end phases before it's effect ends. Or make it self destruct if something happens like say "If you take battle or effect damage, destroy this card." Since it's maintenance cost isn't Damage it's paying it wouldn't blow its self up right away and it still provides a somewhat easy way for your opponent to destroy it, like with something like with any monster burn effect (Trickstars, Ceasefire, Fairy Wind, Secret Barrel, etc...)

Also Imperial Order can be “searched out” by sending it to the GY with Curious then make Knighmare Gryphon to re set it on the field.

Listening to the combo with Mind Master is why I love pro Yugioh because Christ alive that made no sense, I love it

Imperial Order might be fixable, if it destroys itself on your end phase, so that the opponent only gets the negative effect of it once and on top of it being unaffected by card effects of the owner itself (the opponent can still destroy it), so that he can't get rid of it in his own turn.

An easy way to fix Imperial Order is just make it a once per turn mandatory negate. That way you could bait out the negate with something in a similar way you can do with Ash Blossom before proceeding as normal. Would still be a very good counter to Sky Strikers but not a hard counter

You can also perform an Exodia FTK by having Brain Research Lab, Mind Master, and 3 copies of Caam the Serenity of Gusto and making them do an infinite draw.

Even tough Simorgh can be called by every tri monster, usually it still be link summoned from ferjit+1 winged beast, so even if it only gain its extra effect when link summoned the simorgh on tri lyrilusc kinda doesnt care about that at all and Simorgh still can be used as like now in Master Duel.

Mind Master even with a hard once per turn would need to be limited and also the existence of Psi-Reflector this card would make it impossible for emergency teleport to exist in the same format.

With imperial order, switch control of the life point cost to your opponent on there turn. Then they can decide whether or not to pay the 700 life points

As someone who likes synchro fish I would like that they just errata fishing blaster or just make new Fishborg support for Fish Synchro. I wish they'd just make more restrictions on synchro monsters, tuners, and synchro support cards locking you into Synchros if they did this for not only synchros but XYZs, and Fusions as well. You'd avoid a lot of these negate boards, need for anti meta decks, cards and board wipes. As well as it wouldn't be a balance nightmare cause if a archetype or engine is to string on one side you can instantly see the problem child and hit it.

The pronunciation of "Protos" sounds so weird lol. I always thought it was pronounced Pro-toes. It actually bugs me that it was banned, I don't even use Swordsouls but my deck could make great use of both Archnemeses twins, now because of it I'm stuck with only Eschatos.